was it hallam ? what was it ? :thumbsup:

was it Escafeld?

The main thing I remember is that the kingdoms of Wessex and Mercia were united at Dore and that the Meers Brook marked the boundary .. I think :suspect:

The main thing I remember is that the first time I ever stumbled upon the Sheffield Forum, a year or two back, I hit upon a thread discussing this very subject.

edit: Or at least one very similar (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69)

Was it not Sheaf Field because that's where the sheaves of corn were stacked after harvest in the only field that didn't get flooded?

The meersbrook was the boundary, but the kingdoms were Mercia and Northumbria.

I always thougt it was Escafeld

where does hallam come from, then guys?

Originally posted by DanSumption
The main thing I remember is that the first time I ever stumbled upon the Sheffield Forum, a year or two back, I hit upon a thread discussing this very subject.

edit: Or at least one very similar (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69)

Thanks for posting that Dan, was a very interesting link ... well except for several pages of moderators and posters disagreeing rofl - good to see nothing changes!!!

Sorry folks, i posted in error Ecgbert was the "king" of Wessex and Mercia and the unification was of them and Northumbria :blush:

Re the pronunciation of "Sheffield" as "Sheffeld". People still said it like that right up to 60s IIRC, and also "Greenhill" was always called "Grenell". IMO both much more intriguing versions :D

Originally posted by nitelife40
where does hallam come from, then guys?

As far as my memory serves me:
There was a village of Hallam (or similar spelling) which gave rise to the Manor of Hallam and was the seat of the Saxon Waltheof (Earl of Northumberland) around 1075.
At the same time the Domesday Book notes the other manors of Sheffield and Attercliffe but there is inference that they could have been smaller parts of Hallam.

The village of Hallam had been destroyed by William the Conquerer and as such the exact location has been unsure.

You must not make the mistake of pronouncing the names as they are written. The norman/french scribes wrote as they imagined they were spelt.


Sheffield was always pronounced Sceathfeld, the anglo saxons pronounced 'Sc' as 'Sh' The pronounciation of SHEFFIELD lasted up to the 1930's. Its only since that time that the second syllable has been pronounced as 'field' not 'feld'

(Im not that clever I poached it from a history book)

Originally posted by nitelife40
where does hallam come from, then guys?

Originally from the pre-Norman feudal district of Hallamshire, another district similalrly named is Richmondshire. I think there were one or two others in Yorks....but I'd have to look them up.

hi thanks everyone :D

Nice piece on the history of Sheffield here :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield#History

goes from earliest UK house in 8000 BC to the present :thumbsup:

When Stone - Age man first came to what we now know as Sheffield they simply called it "Ug".

Later some settled in "Ughill", although the majority put down roots in "Ughtibridge".

What Was Sheffield Originally Called?

oRIGINAL?

wHATS THAT?

THIS MIDEN AINT

My great-grandmother, born in the 1880s, always called the city Sheffeld.

Perhaps there ougut to be a campaign to drop the 'i' and pronounce it feld instead of field?

Originally posted by Longcol
When Stone - Age man first came to what we now know as Sheffield they simply called it "Ug".

Later some settled in "Ughill", although the majority put down roots in "Ughtibridge".

...and if you study the map closely you'll see that one of 'em was called 'One' :D

Onesmoor Greybeard astounds me with his local knowledge ;)

I still stick to my explanation from a post I put on a similar thread :-

The sheffield coat of arms depicts a 'sheaf' of wheat, and a 'sheaf' of arrows because there's no other way of depicting the word 'SHEAF' which in Old English (spelt SCEATH) meant BOUNDARY. The river forming this boundary became known simply as 'the Sceath' besides which was a 'FELD' - or clearing settlement - hence "the feld by the sceath" or "the sceaffeld".

And voila!!!! Sceath Feld = Sceaffeld = (SC was pronounced SH)Sheaffeld = Sheffeld (modern local pronunciation) = Sheffield.

I shall go and lie down now.

Originally posted by saxon51
I still stick to my explanation from a post I put on a similar thread :-

The sheffield coat of arms depicts a 'sheaf' of wheat, and a 'sheaf' of arrows because there's no other way of depicting the word 'SHEAF' which in Old English (spelt SCEATH) meant BOUNDARY. The river forming this boundary became known simply as 'the Sceath' besides which was a 'FELD' - or clearing settlement - hence "the feld by the sceath" or "the sceaffeld".

And voila!!!! Sceath Feld = Sceaffeld = (SC was pronounced SH)Sheaffeld = Sheffeld (modern local pronunciation) = Sheffield.

I shall go and lie down now.

Well done, saxon51 ... very clear and concise explanation of how the present day name came to be. dishwasher, I shall support the reclaiming of our original name ... SHEFFELD :clap:

Originally posted by saxon51
The sheffield coat of arms depicts a 'sheaf' of wheat, and a 'sheaf' of arrows because there's no other way of depicting the word 'SHEAF' which in Old English (spelt SCEATH)

Plus the well-known tendency of the College of Arms to go in for really bad puns!

--
JGH

Reminds me of the old yarn about a bloke lost in Nottingham.

"Is it far to Halifax?"

"No, it's only four fields away - Mansfield, Chesterfield, Sheffield and Huddersfield".

Apologies for off thread bad joke.

Originally posted by PhilipB
Was it not Sheaf Field because that's where the sheaves of corn were stacked after harvest in the only field that didn't get flooded?

No it's because the River Sheaf that runs through it hence Sheaf Field

When I was at school I was at king edwards and all the form groups were L, P, R, S these were the rivers that run through Sheffield.
Loxley, Porter, Rivelin(?) and Sheaf.

I was in Porter. Just a bit of useless info there but yes it's Sheaf field because of the River Sheaf running through it.

Sorry only just seen Saxon's explanation, that's fascinating! I always come and post my two penneth too late!

Originally posted by PhilipB
Was it not Sheaf Field because that's where the sheaves of corn were stacked after harvest in the only field that didn't get flooded? I've also read that.

Until a hundred years ago both Sheffield and Sheaffield co-existed, well that's what is written on a 1800 painting I have.
Strangely, Sheffield was named after the River Sheaf; not the river Don, which is the larger waterway in the city.

Rotherham - it used to be bigger

sheaf it is.....named after sheaf vally baths.errrrrm i mean

thats why sheaf market got its name, isnt there a bit of the old castle lurking down there somewhere? if my memory serves me right

maybe it was the river sheaf that was the main influence of the city, maybe the river don is bigger, but it might not have been as important, even there at the begining, may have even been man made

*waffles on for another 2 hours and 37 minutes approx*

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Just found this:-

"A ridge (known as Roman Ridge) running from Sheffield north to Mexborough formed part of the frontier of the Anglo-Saxon Kingdom of Northumbria. The frontier was built by the Northumbrian kings to mark the border with the neighbouring Anglo-Saxon kingdom called Mercia. It is interesting to note that the Anglo-Saxon river name Sheaf means 'boundary-river' and this may also have formed part of the boundary of Northumbria. It may equally have been the boundary of Elmet in an earlier period.

Other rivers forming Northumbrian boundaries were the Humber to the east and the Mersey to the west. Mersey like the Sheaf is an Anglo-Saxon river name which means 'boundary-river'. We also know for certain that the place called DORE , now the most south westerly subburb of Sheffield was right on the boundary between the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms of Northumbria and Mercia, where it formed a 'door - a Pennine pass between the two kingdoms. Dore was a metting place between the Kings of Mercia and the Kings of Northumbria.Today Dore lies close to the boundaries of Yorkshire and Derbyshire."

on this site :-

http://www.thenortheast.fsnet.co.uk/SouthYorkshire.htm

Originally posted by saxon51
on this site :-

http://www.thenortheast.fsnet.co.uk/SouthYorkshire.htm
There's something very similar but more detailed on this site as well:
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69&perpage=15&pagenumber=3

:D

Mods - I really think these threads should be merged.

escafeld was the first (ish) name of sheffield probaly viking or similar. all others are purely "urbanisations" or adaptions following romans , amglosaxons,normans etc . or whatever order they decided to try conquering us.
and they talk about the english trying to conquer the world.