Ok, I am fed up with constantly hearing on this forum statements like
"I can't find a job"
"No one will employ me"
"I want to work and will do anything, but there is no work out there"

All of these are jsut rubbish and I really believe that most of the people that are moaning are doing so casue they feel they should moan, but don't actually really want to work.
We have now been advertising for staff for over 6 months and yes we have had one or two applicants, but not anywhere near the amount of people that are moaning about not being able to work.
We are not necessarly looking for people with vast experiance, in fact the last few members of staff we have taken on have never worked in field before and are shaping up to be some of our best staff.
We are not hiding our adverts - we are in the Job Centre, The Star on a Thursday and even the "my Sheffield Jobs" website.
I have read about 10 posts today that state "I will do anyhting, i jsut want to earn and have a job"
If thats true - then get off your backsides and get a job, if its not true - THEN STOP MOANING!!
I have spent the last few weeks speaking with many over managers in the same field and we all face the same problem, staff shortages - decent people that are willing to learn and actually put themselves out.
Yes - the thought of Care Work, may put some people off - but its not like the sterotypical work you think it is - its not all wiping bums and standing in smelly urine stinking buildings. its about taking people out, helping people and having fun.
We actually offer not jsut a job, but this field can be a career progression, yes the wages aren't great when starting off (5.65 - 5.80/hour) however with training and dedication this can be dramatically increased.
I employed someone 2 years ago - they worked hard, went to college (funded course - didn't cost them a penny, jsut their time) and within two years was promoted past senior and in now heading towards a deputy managers post.
It can be done - so in the words of the sports shoes company - JUST DO IT.

very true if i no work i would do anything

Ok, I am fed up with constantly hearing on this forum statements like
"I can't find a job"
"No one will employ me"
"I want to work and will do anything, but there is no work out there"

All of these are jsut rubbish and I really believe that most of the people that are moaning are doing so casue they feel they should moan, but don't actually really want to work.
We have now been advertising for staff for over 6 months and yes we have had one or two applicants, but not anywhere near the amount of people that are moaning about not being able to work.
We are not necessarly looking for people with vast experiance, in fact the last few members of staff we have taken on have never worked in field before and are shaping up to be some of our best staff.
We are not hiding our adverts - we are in the Job Centre, The Star on a Thursday and even the "my Sheffield Jobs" website.
I have read about 10 posts today that state "I will do anyhting, i jsut want to earn and have a job"
If thats true - then get off your backsides and get a job, if its not true - THEN STOP MOANING!!
I have spent the last few weeks speaking with many over managers in the same field and we all face the same problem, staff shortages - decent people that are willing to learn and actually put themselves out.
Yes - the thought of Care Work, may put some people off - but its not like the sterotypical work you think it is - its not all wiping bums and standing in smelly urine stinking buildings. its about taking people out, helping people and having fun.
We actually offer not jsut a job, but this field can be a career progression, yes the wages aren't great when starting off (5.65 - 5.80/hour) however with training and dedication this can be dramatically increased.
I employed someone 2 years ago - they worked hard, went to college (funded course - didn't cost them a penny, jsut their time) and within two years was promoted past senior and in now heading towards a deputy managers post.
It can be done - so in the words of the sports shoes company - JUST DO IT.

If you are so desparate for workers then why not try paying a decent wage I am sure you would be inundated with applicants then.

Same old thing people paying peanuts then what do you expect!!!!

HHHmmm
There are very few jobs that will start someone with No experiance or qualifications on a decent wage. Yet as i originally stated, if people are willing to learn and work they can very soon climb up the ladder and earn a more than decent wage.
Sadly, we are regulated and paid for clients by the social services. The goverment determine how much they can pay us for clients and therefore how much we can pay staff that are jsut starting out - however we do offer free training, constant help, support and supervision to help people climb up and develope themselves.
But the wage isn't my real issue, the issue is that there a large number of people that would rather sit on their backsides and moan about not being able to find work - than actually going out and getting it.
Surely people would rather have the self respect to have earned whatever they have rather than que up at the post office and collect state hand outs.
Now I am not banding every one here with the same brush - there are a lot of people that need their benifits and are quite entitled to them, however there are ALOT of people that could easily work but jsut can't be bothered and would rather moan and collect handouts rather than earn a living.

By the way Powerage - nice signature (best track of the album)

HHHmmm
There are very few jobs that will start someone with No experiance or qualifications on a decent wage. Yet as i originally stated, if people are willing to learn and work they can very soon climb up the ladder and earn a more than decent wage.
Sadly, we are regulated and paid for clients by the social services. The goverment determine how much they can pay us for clients and therefore how much we can pay staff that are jsut starting out - however we do offer free training, constant help, support and supervision to help people climb up and develope themselves.
But the wage isn't my real issue, the issue is that there a large number of people that would rather sit on their backsides and moan about not being able to find work - than actually going out and getting it.
Surely people would rather have the self respect to have earned whatever they have rather than que up at the post office and collect state hand outs.
Now I am not banding every one here with the same brush - there are a lot of people that need their benifits and are quite entitled to them, however there are ALOT of people that could easily work but jsut can't be bothered and would rather moan and collect handouts rather than earn a living.

By the way Powerage - nice signature (best track of the album)

Cheers.

I was just meaning that a lot of people may be more willing to move off benefits to do a job if they are actually going to get more money by working.

Unfortunately on minimum wage that is not really going to happen realistically
once you have taken housing benefit, council tax benefit into consideration along with child benefit (if children are applicable). Some people may even be worse off depending on how many kids they have.:suspect:

I wouldn't mind doing care work, but I only want a short-term job (up until January). Since there seems like a lot of training involved and stuff about "career progression", I don't know if it'd be worth applying for...

Yhey dont want a job, they want a pension e.g give me some money every week to keep me in a lifestyle I think I deserve I will do as little as possible to deserve it.

Its time people in this country got of thier backsides and started make a contribution instead of continually bleating about how the "system" cheats and holds them down.We are pathetic, The economies of China and India are growing while ours stagnates. In case anyone thinks that the Chinese people are repressed and forced to work against thier will, I have been there, its not true.

I doubt you'd take on someone with back problems am I right? And having back problems would I want to be caring for other people? Is it even practical? I have to sit down when I need to and stand up when I need to. I am after a job but some how cripple girl here thinks that you wouldn't be employing me!!!

I want to work, I do, but not at the risk of annoying my employer and the risk of my back.

8 months off work and I'm not intitled to a penny according to the government - Im such a spunge.

Ok, I am fed up with constantly hearing on this forum statements like
"I can't find a job"
"No one will employ me"
"I want to work and will do anything, but there is no work out there"

All of these are jsut rubbish and I really believe that most of the people that are moaning are doing so casue they feel they should moan, but don't actually really want to work.
We have now been advertising for staff for over 6 months and yes we have had one or two applicants, but not anywhere near the amount of people that are moaning about not being able to work.
We are not necessarly looking for people with vast experiance, in fact the last few members of staff we have taken on have never worked in field before and are shaping up to be some of our best staff.
We are not hiding our adverts - we are in the Job Centre, The Star on a Thursday and even the "my Sheffield Jobs" website.
I have read about 10 posts today that state "I will do anyhting, i jsut want to earn and have a job"
If thats true - then get off your backsides and get a job, if its not true - THEN STOP MOANING!!
I have spent the last few weeks speaking with many over managers in the same field and we all face the same problem, staff shortages - decent people that are willing to learn and actually put themselves out.
Yes - the thought of Care Work, may put some people off - but its not like the sterotypical work you think it is - its not all wiping bums and standing in smelly urine stinking buildings. its about taking people out, helping people and having fun.
We actually offer not jsut a job, but this field can be a career progression, yes the wages aren't great when starting off (5.65 - 5.80/hour) however with training and dedication this can be dramatically increased.
I employed someone 2 years ago - they worked hard, went to college (funded course - didn't cost them a penny, jsut their time) and within two years was promoted past senior and in now heading towards a deputy managers post.
It can be done - so in the words of the sports shoes company - JUST DO IT.

I just wish you'd rewrite your post so I can easily read it!

I just wish you'd rewrite your post so I can easily read it!

you mean read it easily

Depends on where you are looking for work, what type of work, there are not the jobs around and even less now and I am sorry it will get worse before it gets better.

I do not want to employ staff who cannot spell, cannot speak correctly, or put in a full week, but by the same token, I think a proper wage should be paid and not just the minumum you can get away with paying.

I have practical experience in administration. i am VERY good at it.

Unfortunatly some employers think all unemployed are scroungers, or leeches, so they don't get even offered a chance, the onus lies on employers, I cant tell you how many spec letters, how many applications i have done, i dont even get the courtesy letter saying sorry.

I want a job, in admin, i have been told frequently i am too old (35), too young, not experienced enough, too experienced.

Seems that a lot of employers want to hire graduates, who are frequently unable to do the jobs,rather that people with the practical experience. The other problem is travelling, sometimes its not easy to travel into work, what with the expenses etc.. where i live i have to get a taxi back to my home if the job finishes late, now thats a HUGE expense.

I am Trained in administration i have my qualifications in business, Yet employers dont seem to want to hire me, is it because my home town died in the 90's ex mining town, and all other industries went. and so there was a massive glut of unemployed, with more recent experience.

I am considered as said by you an employer, that i should get off my backside and apply.. if i did would you guarentee a job for me.. i doubt it. its all about market forces and profit and loss.. you as an employer are now more focused on getting graduates.

Or people with the caring certificates, but if you cant study these, then you cannot do the job due to government regulations.

I would say to the people who are denegrating the people out of work to stop and think a while. With the employment situation as it is now and growing worse by the day, they could be in the same position and then will have to join the rest of the people who are having difficulty. The facts are they will be in more difficulties than the people they are tearing strips off, because they will have more debts to pay off, simply because they have been in work, mortgages, loans, credit cards, store cards, which have all been available to them becuase they were in work, the peope who have been out of work and looking or jobs, sometimes writing letters by the 100's and not even getting a response from the advertising employer.

I do know that we have as many as 4 - 5 hundred applications for a single job when we advertise, you simply cannot afford to answer them all, nor are you able to read every CV and check it out, nor can you interview very many of the applicants.

Employers would rather take on 17 /18 year old and pay the bare minimum than pay for someone with experience that will cost them more.

Unfortunately things in the employment market are going from bad to worse and will affect people who have never experienced the humiliating treatment that some of these posters have.

All I can say is "hope to goodness you don't get affected". Then you will sing a different tune on the subject.

I would say to the people who are denegrating the people out of work to stop and think a while. With the employment situation as it is now and growing worse by the day, they could be in the same position and then will have to join the rest of the people who are having difficulty. The facts are they will be in more difficulties than the people they are tearing strips off, because they will have more debts to pay off, simply because they have been in work, mortgages, loans, credit cards, store cards, which have all been available to them becuase they were in work, the peope who have been out of work and looking or jobs, sometimes writing letters by the 100's and not even getting a response from the advertising employer.

I do know that we have as many as 4 - 5 hundred applications for a single job when we advertise, you simply cannot afford to answer them all, nor are you able to read every CV and check it out, nor can you interview very many of the applicants.

Employers would rather take on 17 /18 year old and pay the bare minimum than pay for someone with experience that will cost them more.

Unfortunately things in the employment market are going from bad to worse and will affect people who have never experienced the humiliating treatment that some of these posters have.

All I can say is "hope to goodness you don't get affected". Then you will sing a different tune on the subject.

My point exactly, not every unemployed person is a worskhy layabout who lives for his benefits! Take me for instance, I'm officially classed as unemployed, but I currently work on a voluntary basis, and have been doing so for more years than I care to remember, having worked for almost every Charity in Sheffield over the last chuff knows how many years!

Now, I have all this experience, and have also spent more than half my life being educated, and thus have more qualifications, bar a Degree, than I can remember to write them all on my CV, can I get a paid job? Even a poxy mininum wage shelf stacking job in Hillsborough Co Op? No chance, the Co Op said shelf stacking was beneath me cos I was OVER-QUALIFIED! I officially give up! Every time I try to get ahead in the world of employment, I get stupid numpties from Agencies messing me about, or the companies don't even have the courtesy to let me know either way whether I've got the job, more often than not, the answer's no.. Why?! Purely because I'm disabled! Which under the DDA is supposed to be ILLEGAL to discriminate against! :rant: :rant: :loopy:

my step dad is a qualified telecom engineer who cannot get work. he also is an experienced multi drop/delivery driver. he been outta work since may .....cant get anything. wont work for minimum wage as with 2 kids at home will be worse off .....anyone any suggestions

what a load of crap you are talking stopnsmile.

Hi,All you people who say they can't find work or a way to earn some money.
If you all take a look at our web site http://hallmark1.fragrances.fm this will show you how you can earn as much money as YOU want,that's if you want to WORK for it.
NO DISCRIMINATION! Black,Brown,Yellow,Disabled in fact anyone can earn money at this business if they want it enough.
If I was as desperate as some of you say you are I WOULD DO ANYTHING.

Ok, I am fed up with constantly hearing on this forum statements like
"I can't find a job"
"No one will employ me"
"I want to work and will do anything, but there is no work out there"

All of these are jsut rubbish and I really believe that most of the people that are moaning are doing so casue they feel they should moan, but don't actually really want to work.
We have now been advertising for staff for over 6 months and yes we have had one or two applicants, but not anywhere near the amount of people that are moaning about not being able to work.
We are not necessarly looking for people with vast experiance, in fact the last few members of staff we have taken on have never worked in field before and are shaping up to be some of our best staff.
We are not hiding our adverts - we are in the Job Centre, The Star on a Thursday and even the "my Sheffield Jobs" website.
I have read about 10 posts today that state "I will do anyhting, i jsut want to earn and have a job"
If thats true - then get off your backsides and get a job, if its not true - THEN STOP MOANING!!
I have spent the last few weeks speaking with many over managers in the same field and we all face the same problem, staff shortages - decent people that are willing to learn and actually put themselves out.
Yes - the thought of Care Work, may put some people off - but its not like the sterotypical work you think it is - its not all wiping bums and standing in smelly urine stinking buildings. its about taking people out, helping people and having fun.
We actually offer not jsut a job, but this field can be a career progression, yes the wages aren't great when starting off (5.65 - 5.80/hour) however with training and dedication this can be dramatically increased.
I employed someone 2 years ago - they worked hard, went to college (funded course - didn't cost them a penny, jsut their time) and within two years was promoted past senior and in now heading towards a deputy managers post.
It can be done - so in the words of the sports shoes company - JUST DO IT.

well av u ad a look on here ime a p/d been 1 for 15years some body puts a job on and 30 go for it thats a slak day and u get people not in the trade with daft qoutes:mad: so get off evey bodys bak and get a life :loopy:

Maybe it has something to do with employers just ignoring people when they enquire about jobs :x

Of course people with moan, unemployment is a serious issue. Maybe you should give details of vacancies?

StopnSmile,

With regards to your post I would like to make a few comments.


To begin with your post is rather stereotypical and can be conceived as rather patronising and offensive. The forum is a utility in order to help each other and the aforementioned post does not help anyone.


Would it not be more tangible to advertise what work you are offering? I can see you understand the problems with unemployment at the moment - the figures don't lie unfortunately and help from employers such as yourself would be appreciated by this forum.

It seems to me that all you are doing is sabotaging your reputation and you will not find any prospective employees whilst you maintain that attitude.



You sir are an idiot of the highest order...

Sorry Xangelic your response is highly inappropriate, the issue raised is perfectly reasonable and raises questions regarding the benefit system, benefit dependency, care of the old and infirm, the apparent unwillingness of the British to work in the service sector etc. To personally abuse the person is wrong. Whilst you may take issue with Stopn smile to call him/her an idiot is wrong and you should either answer his/her challenges in detail or apologise.

I do not find the comments Stopnsmile makes in any way offensive or patronising, I rather detect someone who takes pride in their work and has difficulty in understanding why it is unattractive to others.

StopnSmile,

With regards to your post I would like to make a few comments.


To begin with your post is rather stereotypical and can be conceived as rather patronising and offensive. The forum is a utility in order to help each other and the aforementioned post does not help anyone.


Would it not be more tangible to advertise what work you are offering? I can see you understand the problems with unemployment at the moment - the figures don't lie unfortunately and help from employers such as yourself would be appreciated by this forum.

It seems to me that all you are doing is sabotaging your reputation and you will not find any prospective employees whilst you maintain that attitude.



You sir are an idiot of the highest order...

Wow
Well firstly thank you Xenia, you seem to be one of the few sensible people that have actually understood the point I was making - I appreciate that.
People such as many of the previous posters (xangelic to name one) only really only exaggerate my point. If you had taken the time to look, I have on several occasions posted vacancies on this site, has any one applied? I have also posted an large advert in the star a few weeks back and with the biggest job website in Sheffield (not sure if I can name the site here or not - but on the site there are STILL over 40 vacancies in this industry alone) Now let me explain what happened – I had over 60 phone calls for applications, I spent an afternoon sending out application forms, have a guess at how many I got back out of the 60?
You were probably close – TWELVE, yes TWELVE out of 60.
So I organised interviews for those 12, nine of the twelve managed to turn up for the interview and six of those basically admitted that they didn’t actually want the job but HAD to attend interviews to keep receiving their benefits.
Now these are the people that I also find MOANING about being unemployed.
I am not stupid and am fully aware that some people do have difficulties finding work, but also if people really want to work, there IS ALWAYS work out there.
In the past I have packed fruit in a factory, I have cleaned public toilets, I have emptied the bins in car parks and streets – yes most of these for minimum wage at the time.
My point is – there is always work of you are actually willing to work.
We have not been searching for the highest quailfied people, not even the cleverest people – we have just been looking for good honest people that are willing to work and help others – the is what we do, yes its not the most glamourous of work – but I go home in the evenings quite content and happy. Surely earning a living (however small) is better than being given handouts by the state – where is the pride in that.
Now to give an example, we have recently been approached my a training scheme that helps people back to work and these people are willing to earn very little while they try a job out – they still receive benefits while trying out for a few weeks and then if all is ok, they come on full time at a full time rate of pay – basically they are willing to work INITAILY for the same amount as they receive from the state, because they can see a better future, they have the foresight and pride to actually earn what they have instead of moaning!
Xangelic as the previous poster said, I take pride in what I do – I know it makes others happy, the WHOLE industry is short staffed especially in Sheffield and people here are moaning that they have no work – when actually what it appears to be is that they are unwilling.
And as you said, this is a forum to help others – so I am not going to lower myself to basic insults as you did in your post and I do feel that if you can grasp the concept that I am trying to get across and understand it, then an apology would be in order.

No apologies.

You have a point but I still think your first post was a bit stupid.
How many people in your sector have you heard moaning about unemployment?

You have a point but I still think your first post was a bit stupid.
How many people in your sector have you heard moaning about unemployment?

None - becasue there is a huge demand for staff
If there is no work in your sector - simple - change sector!
As i have stated many a time - this industry is not necessary looking for qualified or experianced people, but people that would be looking to work and learn. People that have the ability to Care and help others - people that simply have time for others and that is pretty much all the qualifications that you need, rest is courses you can go on if need be.
I have jsut looked on the main job site for sheffield - there are over 500 jobs advertised, yes some are manual work, many are in care industry, many are retail - but there are jobs out there and that is all my point was.
There are jobs out there if people actually do want them.

Then expand your arguement. As you clearly disagree strongly state your case rather than issue abuse.

Where is this person wrong? Is it incorrect to believe that there is dignity in work albeit for small reward or is there no shame in relying on the state and other citizens taxes to keep you. What is your position?No apologies.

No chance, the Co Op said shelf stacking was beneath me cos I was OVER-QUALIFIED! :

On another thread sometime ago I seem to remember you belittling factory work, perhaps that was beneath you as well.

Why don't you get a job in computing.Then you can sit down and stand up as much as you like.

Stop feeling sorry for yourself.

I doubt you'd take on someone with back problems am I right? And having back problems would I want to be caring for other people? Is it even practical? I have to sit down when I need to and stand up when I need to. I am after a job but some how cripple girl here thinks that you wouldn't be employing me!!!

I want to work, I do, but not at the risk of annoying my employer and the risk of my back.

8 months off work and I'm not intitled to a penny according to the government - Im such a spunge.

Seems like you are looking at all the wrong reasons for not getting a job.Why not try to get a job that involves computors,then you could stand-up or sit-down as much as you want.

I think you have got the wrong attitude and feel sorry for yourself.:(

None - becasue there is a huge demand for staff
If there is no work in your sector - simple - change sector!


Well since no one's moaning about it what the hell is your point?! If you're claiming builders, IT workers, bankers etc. not wanting to write off all their qualifications and years of experience to work as a carer is crazy then I think you need a reality check! What qualifications do you need to be a carer?

Well since no one's moaning about it what the hell is your point?! If you're claiming builders, IT workers, bankers etc. not wanting to write off all their qualifications and years of experience to work as a carer is crazy then I think you need a reality check! What qualifications do you need to be a carer?

I have seen 30 years experience in the steelworks go down the pan and lots of miners had the same fate, its no good feeling sorry for yourself, you have to move on.

Right,

Your second point is a very good one and therefore should have been your first one. I took issue with you because of the stereotype used in your post, which simply isn't true in all cases.

You annoyed me because you are an employer and should have no prejudice over prospective employees. You cannot assume that everyone unemployed is going to adopt the same attitude - I empathise for those looking for jobs, if they are going to be judged by yourself and others in this way.

People are going to "moan" about the unemployment situation, as anyone can tell you that has spent time looking for a job... it's about being in the right place at the right time - jobs are not that easy to come across, which suit your needs and lifestyle (everyone has their own constraints).

As for yourself, you will want an employee that suits the job exactly. Care is not easy and it will take time to fill that position. "The right place the right time," but please do not judge ALL job seekers as you have done previously. This IS offensive and people WILL take issue with it. If you do not want to be criticised for your comments/opinions then simply don't write them.

I apologise if I have offended anyone else but unfortunately stopnsmile, I do not apologise for my initial post, admittedly you was annoyed and should have displayed a little restraint.

Well said xangelic, here is what I was typing while you were posting your last post:

Sorry but I think this argument is being oversimplified by certain individuals. It is not by any stretch of the imagination easy to find work, even if you really want it (or words to that effect). There are variables in this situation, which were touched upon by others but not yet elaborated upon. What follows is based around my views of proper people who genuinely want and need work, but are restricted to what they can take, not the ones who are happy just living on what they can get for free for the rest of their lives.

For instance it is implied that there is no pride in claiming benefits, where as there is pride in being employed and earning your self a crust…I agree to a degree but again this is an oversimplification. No one takes pride in being unemployed surely, but should someone who does not take a job, just so as to have a job, be viewed as a social and economic lepper? The answer is NO! Why not take a look below the surface and consider just a few of many possible reasons for a person not taking on a minimum wage job?…. Y’know….before you start to throw the first stone!

What about people who have worked hard all their lives and lost their job through their employer going bust…they could have got a mortgage and will have no way to keep up payments if they accept a minimum wage job, once their mortgage protection insurance period runs out? Are they wrong to hold out in the hope of a better paid job so as not to loose every penny that they have paid in to a mortgage over the last 3o years? Are they feeling sorry for themselves by commenting on the injustice of it all or purely making a statement based around a sad state of affairs that has been thrust upon them?

Ultimately if someone is going to be financially worse off as a result of just taking any job for the sake of wanting work or “self respect” then this is surely counter productive, especially if the welfare of a child or children may be affected.

If this is indeed the case, the state will even then have to offer “hand outs” to supplement this person so as the child/children are not going without. More often than not the amount offered as a supplement can be equal to that that was being claimed prior to accepting the minimum wage job. So what’s the point?

Will you now allow someone to take more pride in them selves if this is the case? In fact who are you to say what actions should provide one with or remove one from having self respect, without being able to judge a situation based purely upon its own individual merit?

Oh well the job could lead to bigger and better things “eventually” I hear you say…Ah but not in most case, as a job that offers minimum wage very rarely offers any form of job satisfaction or career prospects….. Unless you of course you take exceptional pride in making sure all the labels on the tins you just stacked all face the same way and can take inspiration in that fact that in maybe 7 or 8 years if you play your cards right and never (God forbid) become ill and take time off, you might actually progress to the position of the person who puts sawdust down on the floor when someone drops a bottle of milk!

Yes I am being facetious I know, but much in the same vein as the original thread has also been oversimplified…Is my point becoming clear now?

Please tell me then, in the case outlined above should one be lacking in self respect by not taking on such a counterproductive vacancy? Even though they may have paid their Taxes and National Insurance Contributions for God knows how long, for just that eventuality, where one should unfortunately become unemployed at some point in their lives?

Is it there fore a sign of lack of self respect and a sign of a lack of interest in getting a job, to accept “state handouts” in this situation?

Now me personally….I have been employed over the years, I have also been self-employed over the years and I have also been an employer for a good few years, I have also had the misfortune to be on the other side of the fence and been unemployed, as I am indeed now.

I shall not venture further into my personal situation at this juncture as I don’t feel that I need to justify my point of view to that degree, however I shall state and shall forever stand by my statement that, unless you have been in every conceivable situation and had the benefit of viewing a situation from every conceivable perspective, then is it really pertinent to judge and indeed criticise in general when there is clearly no such thing in life as a black and white situation?...or does mitigation stand for nothing in your view as a perspective employer who would be expected to have a duty of care and moral perspective and empathy with the people that you employ?

Sheffield S6.

Why don't you get a job in computing.Then you can sit down and stand up as much as you like.

Stop feeling sorry for yourself.

I would if I could, but most of the good jobs in IT want Graduates.

I would if I could, but most of the good jobs in IT want Graduates.

Well then get a basic job in IT. Everyone has to start somewhere. I cleaned toilets out in my first job. Hated every second, rubbish pay. But it helped me get my second job and so on. It may take you 3/4/5 more jobs to actually get to where you want to be.

I would if I could, but most of the good jobs in IT want Graduates.

Get off it rich!
I've got a flippin good job (IMO) in IT and I've only got GCSE's!

There’s always a cop-out :suspect:, those that want to work will because they don’t want to be sat at home watching . Jeremy Kyle

There’s always a cop-out :suspect:, those that want to work will because they don’t want to be sat at home watching Jeremy Kyle

I think your right Malky
People can always find excuses etc if they want to, for example;too late, too early, not my cup of tea, I wouldn't do that for a job, too far to travel, too hard a work etc etc
I have jsut been trawling and within 20 mins I have counted over 700 full time jobs advertised in different industrys - more than half of these would be willing to accept people with little or no experiance, all for work in and around the the City.
But as you say, sometimes watching Jeremy Kyle in bed seems so much more appealing.

What no reply to my post or questions ??? What’s wrong weren’t we expecting an intelligent, articulate response that could conflict with your opinion ??

I have alway said..... "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt"...at last we have living proof that I was right!

Thanks for the confirmation!

Sheffield S6

What no reply to my post or questions ??? What’s wrong weren’t we expecting an intelligent, articulate response that could conflict with your opinion ??

I have alway said..... "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt"...at last we have living proof that I was right!

Thanks for the confirmation!

Sheffield S6

If you are as “intelligent and articulate” as you claim to be you will not be queuing at the job centre for long will you:roll: , after all we wouldn’t want you to end up “making sure all the labels on the tins you just stacked all face the same way”

In the meantime perhaps you could continue to post lengthy posts that nobody reply to content that you now have “living proof” :huh:that you are right.

Oooohhh, so my shelf stacking comment appears to have hit a nerve eh?, why could that be I wonder??

Still... the lack of an articulate, well researched and argued point is exactly what I expected, so no shock there....At least we are now getting somewhere and we can at least add hypocrisy to pompous and judgemental....Who was it that said ? "Attack an argument, but not a poster"....dear, dear have you no standards?

Oh yes, incidentally you have spelled “argument” incorrectly in your signature box, you know, while were picking fault and all!....Oooh….there’s a thought…perhaps you could offer me employment as your English Tutor…then again…maybe not eh!

And please, don’t even attempt to judge where I would fit in the current job market, as you have no comprehension of my academic status nor any idea of my working background, other than what could possibly be gleaned from my previous posts, which is hardly representative of my experience and abilities.

So....let's not attempt to turn this in to a pi****g contest shall we? As you will no doubt, invariably find, that you are facing a gale my friend!

Sheffield S6

It seems like you are the one with the raw nerve my friend

PS

I think you will find swearing, masked or not isn’t allowed, probably just as well as your last comment leaves me baffled and confused:huh:, best leave it at that . :wave:

Baffled and confused??....Didn’t take much!

What can I say? I'm devastated! And to mask the word pidling so as not to cause offence will surely cause less offence than your attitude.... at least I offered consideration for others.

Ooops I typed pidling without masking it...oops there I go again...where is my brain?...Now THAT must be why I'm unemployed eh?

Girls please!

How about this for a solution? abandon the welfare state, issue food stamps to avoid starvation and build tent cities to accomodate those without homes.

See how attractive the Minimum Wage and service jobs are then.

Yeah good idea...in fact why not just bring back Zyklon B for the unemployed and homeless and see how attractive the minimum wage is to them then eh ?...If I remember rightly someone tried that once before…let me see… who was it ?

3 or 4 years ago I used to employ 10 people in my Company and I earned in excess of £1,500 per week as my wage...have you any idea how much Tax and National insurance I used to pay on that weekly amount? So what exactly were my and everyone else’s payments for, if not for eventualities such as this, where we need to take a little back?

Let’s just see then, because if as predicted, unemployment could well triple over the next 2 years and should you ever become a statistic, let’s see how quickly your perspective changes then….Walk a mile in my shoes etc, etc…

All I am saying is where is the empathy? No two lives are ever the same so why not have a little compassion and stop judging people on circumstances that they can never fully comprehend. Everyone is entitled to a point of view and quite rightly so, but is discretion not the better part of valour….

This person is supposed to be a perspective employer but who the hell is ever going to go to them for employment when it is clear how small minded and ignorant they are to other people’s lives.

Yes there are the ones out there who exploit the system and they should be ashamed of them selves, but what makes people think they can tar everyone with same brush?

Not so many years ago people used to think that people from local British Islands were all thick and that people from other warm climates all wore bones in their noses…this is utter crap and we all know it is and that’s why Laws were brought in to place to protect people from such ignorance…so why start a thread which is tantamount to making the same sort of comments in this, so called, modern day and age?

What amuses me is that this thread was started by someone moaning, about someone else moaning…so are they not just moaning themselves and therefore no better that the people who they are moaning about?

In addition, someone thinks it is fine to criticise over a Million British people but if they think someone just might have masked a word that could possibly have been a minor swear word, then they want to take the moral high ground and play on forum rules to support their ignorant argument.

Sorry but I am disgusted !!!

well i think wen its play time we should all go out fo fight hehe

How about we all stop taking things personally and look at the big picture?

We are all different. Some people lose their jobs but don't want to sign on, and will find work doing anything rather than claim benefits. Some people want to claim benefits - which they are entitled to - when they lose their job - until they get back into work. Some are fortunate to have a partner who can support them financially and don't need to work if they choose not to.

But some people (who have no disabilities or caring responsibilities) just want to claim benefits - for ever. They want to have a home, have children, have material goods, but they don't want to make a contribution to pay for any of these things. Surely these are the folk the rest of us get fed up paying for. Not the ones who may be having a temporary hard time because of bad health, redundancy, recession or whatever.

My point exactly Ms Macbeth when I say: "Yes there are the ones out there who exploit the system and they should be ashamed of them selves, but what makes people think they can tar everyone with same brush? "

I have no intention of getting in to a personal battle with anyone; I just can’t believe that people can have such negative and narrow minded view on others without ever being in their shoes. And believe me, I am FAR from being a bleeding heart liberal, I just think a little tolerance and respect for ones fellow man can go a long way.

Especially when it transpires that they have them selves, had a scrape with redundancy and a narrow escape from taking social “hand outs”.

Perhaps they should just consider themselves lucky, rather than finding fault with others less fortunate.

Sheffield S6

NOT everyone who is on the dole wants to be... I am still on the dole and its horrible.

I apply for loads of jobs but been a teenager with no qualifications and little experience or driving license, nobody even gives me the chance of an interview. I must have been to 5 interviews in 6 months... after like 50 applications.


But yeah , please stop judging people. Unemployment is booming! Immigration is continuing... Sheffield has no industry! Check all the empty new office buildings in town.. check all the run down old factories... We have nothing. Not even ASDA want me.

It aint easy finding a job, the jobs just dont exist. Theres 2 million people on job seekers allowance in the UK... with 600,000 vacancies in the WHOLE country. Then theres the millions on disability, all the students in college and UNI studying hopeless degrees and qualifications in media studies and other rubbish.

The only people who have it good are the public sector council working useless "non-jobs"

NOT everyone who is on the dole wants to be... I am still on the dole and its horrible.

I apply for loads of jobs but been a teenager with no qualifications and little experience or driving license, nobody even gives me the chance of an interview. I must have been to 5 interviews in 6 months... after like 50 applications.


But yeah , please stop judging people. Unemployment is booming! Immigration is continuing... Sheffield has no industry! Check all the empty new office buildings in town.. check all the run down old factories... We have nothing. Not even ASDA want me.

It aint easy finding a job, the jobs just dont exist. Theres 2 million people on job seekers allowance in the UK... with 600,000 vacancies in the WHOLE country. Then theres the millions on disability, all the students in college and UNI studying hopeless degrees and qualifications in media studies and other rubbish.

The only people who have it good are the public sector council working useless "non-jobs"

So if you were to be offered a job in the public sector you'd turn it down on principle then?

You mean a job where i get paid atleast 500 pound a week to do nothing beneficial to the public i am paid to serve? I would most likely take the job, as ive been unemployed 6 months and cant even afford clothes from oxfam.

I might give a % of my salary to charity tho, but i even give some of my job seekers to charity.

Get onto Sheffield City Council's job website then - here's a nice part time job for an animal lover for instance: http://jobs.sheffield.gov.uk/job_details.asp?VacancyID=10296&NAV=G

Or this one, working in the community? http://jobs.sheffield.gov.uk/job_details.asp?VacancyID=10264&NAV=G

No qualifications needed for either of the above.

Nowhere near £500 a week ;), but more than minimum wage. All sorts of stuff on there, IT, secretarial as well as the higher paid stuff.

Fellow contributors, I fully appeciate and respect the differences of opinion of this subject. Comments, quite properly, are made about "the system" may I suggest a system which in any way enables the feckless and dishonest to live well off the labour and taxes of others is wrong. The welfare state was not on its inception intended to allow people to exist in this way. It was a safety net to allow people to live with dignity UNTIL THEY FOUND EMPLOYMENT. This has been disgustingly abused and allowed to happen by both political parties and has lead to a dependent underclass notable for its poor acheivement, fecklessness, criminality and obesity.

The SYSTEM is outdated and should be changed.

Those who are not prepared to work should not eat.

The SYSTEM is outdated and should be changed.

Those who are not prepared to work should not eat.

The first statement is fine but perhaps the second needs refining a bit, everyone needs to eat but sky TV, a car, smoking, drinking etc are all luxuries one should work for.

I am prepared to withdraw the last statement which is, I believe, a quote from Lenin. (just in case anyone thought i was a bit right wing)The first statement is fine but perhaps the second needs refining a bit, everyone needs to eat but sky TV, a car, smoking, drinking etc are all luxuries one should work for.

Many people xenia want to work. But if you look at the econemy right now... 600,000 vacancies and 2 million on job seekers allowance. Your living in fairy land if you believe that most unemployed just dont want work.

Then we can add students (who will eventually leave college and NEED a job). Then theres all those on disability. And of course the 2 million unemployed does not include people like me... who have been on the dole for 6 months or more. I am now "long term unemployed". And every week more and people people will be removed from the ranks of "unemployed" and moved to "long term unemployed" , giving the illusion that the unemployment figures are lowering, when infact they are just not published in their entirety.

Enjoy your evening, and your job... what ever it is you have. I am lucky i have my pensioner grand parents who have worked all their life and paid off their mortgage. I get 45 pound a week from the state, without them and their kindness i would be homeless and totally ****ed. Dont believe all you hear about unemployed people getting wide screen TVs and sky TV. If they do its because of debt not benefits. Debt given to them by reckless banks... hence the "crisis" we have now.

Our country is based on debt now... funny thing is... we borrow money from other countries and banks... then we spend it on cheap imported goods.. sending the money we borrowed right back out of our economy and into the pockets of the people we borrowed it from in the first place.

Our globalist, jackass politicians have given our soul away in the past 30 years. I see the day coming where britain can no longer afford food. But i do not see the day when any better off nation helps to bail us out in any way shape or form.

Liberal *****!

To me, the only good thing to come from this disaster, will be the fact that maybe our government will have to actually face up to whats happening, instead of simply reducing the stats, by putting people onto another list of stats.

Maybe, as a country this could overhaul the education system, perhaps we will now be forced to properly train our workforce instead of simply dishing out qualifications.

I was just baffled as to how the last 10 years could have been called a boom, when everything was based on debt. We have no industry, so how on earth the country willl escape this one is beyond me.

Perhaps this could force our polititians to be more honest in the future

This could be the biggest thing to happen to this country since the 2nd world war. I believe although things will be painfull for a few years, perhaps in the long term it could be a good thing, only time will tell though.

I was just baffled as to how the last 10 years could have been called a boom, when everything was based on debt. We have no industry, so how on earth the country willl escape this one is beyond me.




Some time ago I had a debate with someone on the Bank charges mega thread about debt, I was told that to the bank debt was an asset and they sold these assets to each other :huh:, I bet some banks wish they didn’t have so many "assets" now.



We are getting of subject, the OP stated:-


Ok, I am fed up with constantly hearing on this forum statements like
"I can't find a job"
"No one will employ me"
"I want to work and will do anything, but there is no work out there"

All of these are just rubbish and I really believe that most of the people that are moaning are doing so cause they feel they should moan, but don't actually really want to work

Which poses the question, is the social system to generous when some people can turn their noses up at a certain job because its beneath their aspirations or they would be worse of financially?

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Has Nobody Even Read My Posts About Real Employment Levels And The Amount Of Vacancies In The Country???

Its Bloody Impossible!!! For Everybody Who Is Unemployed To Get A Bloody Job! Why Do You Think The Gov Has Been Encouraging Kids To Stay In Education??? Because There Is No Jobs For Them To Do!!!!!!

Plus Kids Going To Uni Has An Extra Bonus Because They Get Like 15 Grand In Debt Which Helps The Economy As It Trickles Down Into The Hands Of Bars And Clubs And Private Land Lords.

God Bless Liberal Britain, I Cant Wait Til This Country Is Reduced To Nothing, The Liberals Have Stopped Fooling Themself And We Can Get Back To Building A Real Nation From Scratch. The Japanese Did It... Why Cant We?

It aint easy finding a job, the jobs just dont exist. Theres 2 million people on job seekers allowance in the UK... with 600,000 vacancies in the WHOLE country. Then theres the millions on disability, all the students in college and UNI studying hopeless degrees and qualifications in media studies and other rubbish.


Ok, nice stats - however I would like to point out that yes there may well be over 200 million job seekers (and yes S6 and the rest of you) many of them are genuine - but I would hazzard a guess at around 40% at least jsut don't want to work - that makes the odds for the 600,000 jobs you talk about a whole lot better surely!
Yes - there are millions on disability (and before any one starts, this is NOT a post having a moan about genuine people claiming disability) however there are alot of people that claim disability WHEN THEY SHOULDN'T - If this was stopped or regulated better then it would mean more money for those that deserve it and less money being wasted on shirkers.
As for Jobs, you statement Jobs don't exist! I really do struggle to comprehend.
Two examples for you now - different scales:
a) mysheffieldjobs.co.uk (this is not an advert but mearly demonstrating my point) today has over 1400 yes 1400 jobs advertised on it! It is a site purely for the sheffield area and covers almost every industry. 1400 jobs!!
b) since this thread has started - six people have contacted via this forum asking for work - I have arranged all six of them an interview - ONLY ONE TURNED UP, none of the others even bothered to ring to let me know - now that is jsut wasting everyones time.
So for those who feel the constant need to defend their unemployed posistion, then feel free - but there are ALWAYS other options.

Stopnsmile

..A lot of agencies posting on the sites you mentioned, advertise vacancies that simply dont exist!

I'm not unemployed but defending those who genuinely are seeking work and have to encounter those with such biased opinions as yourself!

You need to look beneath the surface and re-check your figures mate!

HI EVERYONE,
I keep posting on this thread about how to make money.OK It's not for eveyone,THIS SELLING lark,but if i was out of work and had no money coming in I would give anything a try.
SO stop moaning get in touch and i will show you how it's done.
http://hallmark1.fragrances.fm

Stopnsmile


I'm not unemployed but defending those who genuinely are seeking work and have to encounter those with such biased opinions as yourself!

You need to look beneath the surface and re-check your figures mate!

Sorry, I am not sure I understand you post!
How can I be biased when I arrange all those interviews and only one person turned up?? I myself have used the site I mentioned to advertise and it is NOT cheap to do so. Any company with sense wouldn't pay the amount they ask for if the job didn't exist!! Again after a month on that site - I had very few replies, I think rather then me checking my figures I think that people should try a new mind set - when people are stuck in negative frame of mind - very little happens for them and that seems to be the problem at the moment.

Sorry, been lurking for a while and wanted to put my 2 pence worth. Hehe.
Xangelic... I used to work for and employment agencies and I know a lot of people don't like them and I am not here to get into 'that' argument ... but agencies do have to follow regulations set out by a federation. It isn't comulsory to be a member but you won't get business if you are not. One of the regulations is that you are absolutely NOT allowed to advertise jobs that don't exist. Besides which, its unethical. I would never have done it anyway.
With regards to the statement by stopnsmile that the expense is too much to advertise jobs that do not exist. The thing is a lot of agencies CAN afford to do this, because they advertise so many jobs nationwide they can negotiate a deal where they get unlimited postings for a certain price. So technically it is affordable. but again I don't know of any consultants that would do it. You are risking your job and in the current climate that is not the brightest thing to do.
I would like to put in a big smiley face now to show that I am saying all this with a big smile.... but I dont know how?????

I myself have used the site I mentioned to advertise and it is NOT cheap to do so. Any company with sense wouldn't pay the amount they ask for if the job didn't exist!!

I've spent a bit of time in recruitment.... (I have also been out of work since early September) job advertising sites such as MySheffieldJobs yes do have 1000 plus jobs live.... But I would say 80% of those are through agencies.

The jobs are true, they have to be by law.... But the problem with agencies dealing with the applications is that everyone under the sun will apply for the job but as a consultant someone who doesn't have the skills won't be looked at, because the actual employer is paying over £1000 for their services, so the employer wants the best applicant possible. So a normal applicant doesn’t have a look in (not the agencies for… but the employers’ fault for being so picky) ….

The candidate can't apply directly to the company because the company is kept under wraps until the last moment.

Agencies books are filled with candidates at the moment…….

Going back the cost.... as a single employer it will probably cost you £300 for one ad. An agency pays £600 pcm for unlimited postings so a lot of the jobs posted are just jobs that have been written differently to attract different kinds of candidates.

For example: A Customer Service Advisor position you saw on Tuesday can be re-written as a Customer Service Officer on Wednesday and look like a different job when actually they are the same.

As I said... I have been out of work since September, I would take anything in terms of work, I even thought about pimping myself out!!!!!

The major problem I had was that there was a major decline in my industry. I applied for lower end jobs but recruiters told me that I was over qualified or I would get bored and they thought I would leave, and wouldn’t employ me on that theory.

I have been too proud to go on benefits and I have just made do with what I have... But it is a lot harder to find employment than people think, when I was in employment I thought I would be able to walk into another job.

How wrong was I!!!!

Fortunately after nearly 3 months I start a new job on the 8th December!! :)

The Japanese did it because they and the Germans had billions of dollars given to them by the Americans as part of the Yanks determination not to make the mistakes made after the first world war when we went out of our way to ruin the losers economies by enforced reparations. In this way they ensured that Fascism would not re emerge and democracy would become established. New factories and infrasrtructure replaced that destroyed in the war whilst we were forced to soldier on in dilapidated outdated factories with equally out of date machinery, this coupled with communist backed unions, a labour party heirarchy that included Russian spies and a management frightened to death to take them on.

Meanwhile the Americans ruined us by enforcing any terms they wanted as they held our debts, run up fighting for freedom whilst they sat at home counting their money. Example? Suez. An incident that marked the end of the British Empire and where the USA replaced us as the worlds policeman, havent they done well?

Love her or hate her Margaret Thatcher was the only PM since the 2nd world war that has had this countries interests at heart, not only did she take on the Argies and the unions, both equal enemies of this country, she also took on quietly and behind the scenes the Americans the country that caused us most damage.

To sort the country out she was responsible for the loss of millions of jobs, tough, heartless but necessary. The sort of action that will be needed if this country is to get over this current disaster which is the reponsibility of the Labour party.

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Has Nobody Even Read My Posts About Real Employment Levels And The Amount Of Vacancies In The Country???

Its Bloody Impossible!!! For Everybody Who Is Unemployed To Get A Bloody Job! Why Do You Think The Gov Has Been Encouraging Kids To Stay In Education??? Because There Is No Jobs For Them To Do!!!!!!

Plus Kids Going To Uni Has An Extra Bonus Because They Get Like 15 Grand In Debt Which Helps The Economy As It Trickles Down Into The Hands Of Bars And Clubs And Private Land Lords.

God Bless Liberal Britain, I Cant Wait Til This Country Is Reduced To Nothing, The Liberals Have Stopped Fooling Themself And We Can Get Back To Building A Real Nation From Scratch. The Japanese Did It... Why Cant We?

The Japanese did it because they and the Germans had billions of dollars given to them by the Americans as part of the Yanks determination not to make the mistakes made after the first world war when we went out of our way to ruin the losers economies by enforced reparations. In this way they ensured that Fascism would not re emerge and democracy would become established. New factories and infrasrtructure replaced that destroyed in the war whilst we were forced to soldier on in dilapidated outdated factories with equally out of date machinery, this coupled with communist backed unions, a labour party heirarchy that included Russian spies and a management frightened to death to take them on.

Meanwhile the Americans ruined us by enforcing any terms they wanted as they held our debts, run up fighting for freedom whilst they sat at home counting their money. Example? Suez. An incident that marked the end of the British Empire and where the USA replaced us as the worlds policeman, havent they done well?

Love her or hate her Margaret Thatcher was the only PM since the 2nd world war that has had this countries interests at heart, not only did she take on the Argies and the unions, both equal enemies of this country, she also took on quietly and behind the scenes the Americans the country that caused us most damage.
To sort the country out she was responsible for the loss of millions of jobs, tough, heartless but necessary. The sort of action that will be needed if this country is to get over this current disaster which is the reponsibility of the Labour party.

Thatcher accelerated Britains decline and New Labour created the false economy we have all been thriving on for the last few years. Both are equally as bad IMO. The country now has no economic backbone, which of course traditionally was it's industrial strength, never mind union knocking, the working class of this country, through the unions, took on the government once too often(unfortunately) and Thatcher made sure they were defeated. Now the people of this country just accept government mis-management and do nothing, that is partly why we are in the state we are now !

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Has Nobody Even Read My Posts About Real Employment Levels And The Amount Of Vacancies In The Country???

Its Bloody Impossible!!! For Everybody Who Is Unemployed To Get A Bloody Job! Why Do You Think The Gov Has Been Encouraging Kids To Stay In Education??? Because There Is No Jobs For Them To Do!!!!!!

Plus Kids Going To Uni Has An Extra Bonus Because They Get Like 15 Grand In Debt Which Helps The Economy As It Trickles Down Into The Hands Of Bars And Clubs And Private Land Lords.

God Bless Liberal Britain, I Cant Wait Til This Country Is Reduced To Nothing, The Liberals Have Stopped Fooling Themself And We Can Get Back To Building A Real Nation From Scratch. The Japanese Did It... Why Cant We?





Brilliant Post Thomas22. :thumbsup: and I mean that, you have hit the nail right on the head with whats wrong with this country.

Realistically, if you want security in this country, in the future you will have to get onto the council for a non job, believe me, in the new year I'm moving from the type of work I do now into one of those non job.

Thomas, In my opinion, you should try to become an MP, as you quite franky have hit the nail on the head, what we need are MPs who can identify the problem and then do something about it.

Sorry, I am not sure I understand you post!
How can I be biased when I arrange all those interviews and only one person turned up?? I myself have used the site I mentioned to advertise and it is NOT cheap to do so. Any company with sense wouldn't pay the amount they ask for if the job didn't exist!! Again after a month on that site - I had very few replies, I think rather then me checking my figures I think that people should try a new mind set - when people are stuck in negative frame of mind - very little happens for them and that seems to be the problem at the moment.



What sort of jobs are you advertising for?

and before you get on one, I'm not unemployed.


MY BOLD
There are many examples of agencys who advertise nothing jobs, you fill out the paperwork (which is often identical to the infprmation you put on your CV) only for there to be no job whatsoever.

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Has Nobody Even Read My Posts About Real Employment Levels And The Amount Of Vacancies In The Country???

Its Bloody Impossible!!! For Everybody Who Is Unemployed To Get A Bloody Job! Why Do You Think The Gov Has Been Encouraging Kids To Stay In Education??? Because There Is No Jobs For Them To Do!!!!!!

Plus Kids Going To Uni Has An Extra Bonus Because They Get Like 15 Grand In Debt Which Helps The Economy As It Trickles Down Into The Hands Of Bars And Clubs And Private Land Lords.

God Bless Liberal Britain, I Cant Wait Til This Country Is Reduced To Nothing, The Liberals Have Stopped Fooling Themself And We Can Get Back To Building A Real Nation From Scratch. The Japanese Did It... Why Cant We?

You didn't comment about the links I posted to 'real' jobs in Sheffield City Council. The two I linked to weren't excessively paid, one was looking after animals, the other helping people. Real jobs. Not asking for degrees etc. Councils regularly advertise jobs like these on their websites, not just jobs in management. In my experience, local authorities are reasonably good at fair recruitment. I've worked for two, both with a diverse workforce, and by that I mean a mix of gender, ages, ethnicities and people with disabilities.

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=4344702&postcount=49

I somewhat agree with this post, althought I was unemployed for a very long time... "Only 20" but still, I've been to alota interviews but with no outcome.
But I kepted trying and now I'm working in a position I've never done before, getting training and starting out at £7.34

< I'm a happy fella >

I have backproblems, but on my feet for 7hours straight, I just cope because... frankly I need the money and I look towards the future of getting the xbox / hd tv I want :P

I also signed on, an although the majority just want to stay on the doll and "Socialize" without having to worry about doing the hard stuff.... I was fed up of people looking down on me like I was some piece of <censored> it's the ignorant people who look down on you, althought I tried alot.

I somewhat agree with this post, althought I was unemployed for a very long time... "Only 20" but still, I've been to alota interviews but with no outcome.
But I kepted trying and now I'm working in a position I've never done before, getting training and starting out at £7.34

< I'm a happy fella >



Hey, well done - if only more people were like you Kokombi, you were prepared to work and kept trying and found a place that you enjoy and that has a future. See, it is out there people, you jsut got to get up and go find it.
To MrsMcbeth - I can believe that no one commented on the jobs that you linked to, becasue quite often even if its handed to them on a plate, people don't want it.
That has been my point all along.
I can jsut hear the excuses now "I don't want to work with animals", "why should I help others, no ones helped me". Its sad but the excuses are the same over and over again - people need to change their view points and be more like the previous poster.

Realistically, if you want security in this country, in the future you will have to get onto the council for a non job, believe me, in the new year I'm moving from the type of work I do now into one of those non job.


Care to expand on this? Just a short list of non-jobs would do as I'm guessing that you have intimate knowledge of every local authority job and so should be able to come up with a few examples of these non-jobs. :)

Brilliant Post Thomas22. :thumbsup: and I mean that, you have hit the nail right on the head with whats wrong with this country.

Realistically, if you want security in this country, in the future you will have to get onto the council for a non job, believe me, in the new year I'm moving from the type of work I do now into one of those non job.

Thomas, In my opinion, you should try to become an MP, as you quite franky have hit the nail on the head, what we need are MPs who can identify the problem and then do something about it.

Brilliant?!

The guy has said he has no qualifications. I assume he had the opportunity at school to get them (please say if I'm wrong).

Why do people who don't have qualifications moan about not being able to get work? Most employers ask for English and Maths GCSE's - something which everyone gets the chance to do. Everyone has had money spent on them at school in order for them to get qualifications. And even if they don't pass / don't attend the class / don't attend school, more money in pumped into adult education classes to make sure they get them.

There are loads of jobs out there. Even if you don't have any qualifications there are jobs where all you need is enthusiasm and a positive outlook. You need to be keen to learn. Some jobs might even let you return to college to do adult education classes.

Failing that buy a power washer and offer to clean people's cars. Buy a lawnmower and offer to cut people's grass. Find work either employed or self employed. Ignore the credit crunch, the world hasn't ground to a halt.

Brilliant?!

There are loads of jobs out there. Even if you don't have any qualifications there are jobs where all you need is enthusiasm and a positive outlook. You need to be keen to learn. Some jobs might even let you return to college to do adult education classes.

Failing that buy a power washer and offer to clean people's cars. Buy a lawnmower and offer to cut people's grass. Find work either employed or self employed. Ignore the credit crunch, the world hasn't ground to a halt.

Well said sir!
A man after my own heart - I couldn't have phrased that better myself.
People jsut need to stop moaning, turn off daytime tv, get off their backsides and find something constructive to do with their day
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Care to expand on this? Just a short list of non-jobs would do as I'm guessing that you have intimate knowledge of every local authority job and so should be able to come up with a few examples of these non-jobs. :)



I'm refering to jobs such as Inclusion Officers, 28k per annun, to deliver absolutly nothing.

You could pick up the jobs edition of the guardian, and see many jobs such as these.

There are very few jobs that will start someone with No experiance or qualifications on a decent wage


Yet equally unqualified you can easy get a Call centre job for £7 per hour, I know the extra 60 odd quid a week would be very helpful to me.

quoted from the site ms macbeth put

You will also need to show that you are capable of working with and caring for dogs and other animals and that you are competent, knowledgeable and confident in aspects of animal handling, husbandry and welfare. Candidates should also have good communication and customer care skills.

so if you dont have any of these skills which you only get if you have done this work or something simular can you get a job that does not need any qualification

you might not need any qalifications but you still have to have some skills for the job,

Yet equally unqualified you can easy get a Call centre job for £7 per hour, I know the extra 60 odd quid a week would be very helpful to me.

yes but you still have to be confident in talking to people so you have to be ok with comunications skills even if you dont have to have qualifications

Daily Politics on BB2 had a segment today which mentioned Sheffield and Hull as two of the places which will be hardest hit by the recession.

quoted from the site ms macbeth put

You will also need to show that you are capable of working with and caring for dogs and other animals and that you are competent, knowledgeable and confident in aspects of animal handling, husbandry and welfare. Candidates should also have good communication and customer care skills.

so if you dont have any of these skills which you only get if you have done this work or something simular can you get a job that does not need any qualification

you might not need any qalifications but you still have to have some skills for the job,

You can develop skills by doing voluntary work, I'll give you my personal example. When my OH was signed off as fit for work after 4 years on IB he had no marketable skills and he was in his 50s. He offered to help an animal charity in Rotherham. They rehomed dogs so they wouldn't get put down, and he proved he could handle the animals, communicate with the kennel owners, and that he was a reliable worker who did what was needed to keep the job running. He eventually got paid part time work (not with animals) and I'm sure the reference the charity gave him helped, and the voluntary work helped him build his confidence up enough to go back to work.