i have been told that ne of my grandfather had a pub on macro st,,or fowler st his name was brookes,i would appretiate some help,:help: :help:

In Sheffield libaries they have old maps with street names. I found this very helpful when trying to find ancesters addresses

My great-great grandad William Powers is listed as been a publican & the address is fowler/macro street.

I found from a book called lost pubs of Sheffield that there was a pub on there called the guards rest, so i presuem this is the same pub???

scott,there was pub at 78 macro street called the wellington and also the locomotive at 2 fowler st:suspect:

Originally posted by Scott76
My great-great grandad William Powers is listed as been a publican & the address is fowler/macro street.

I found from a book called lost pubs of Sheffield that there was a pub on there called the guards rest, so i presuem this is the same pub??? the gaurds rest was also called old albion and was number 38:hihi:

cmon retep where are you:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

The nearest I have so far is a mrs. Brooks 78 Macro Street 1925
seems pretty close
Another pub on Fowler St was the Bridgefield House
(geo.d.evans)

Originally posted by retep
The nearest I have so far is a mrs. Brooks 78 Macro Street 1925
seems pretty close
Another pub on Fowler St was the Bridgefield House
(geo.d.evans) retep your a star,that will be the wellington,what year was she there,and does it say if there were any other family members:clap: :clap: :clap:

Originally posted by roughy101
retep your a star,that will be the wellington,what year was she there,and does it say if there were any other family members:clap: :clap: :clap: :loopy: :loopy: just noticed the 1925,:thumbsup:

Had a look for further information,
have mrs. Tamar Brookes 34 born Warwick Birmingham in the 1901. hav'nt found her husband as yet.
kids were,
john 17
george 15
beatrice 11
tamar 9
horace 7
charles 2

just had another look and found him
charles brookes 38 blacksmith and publican

freebmd
Tamar Snell
Charles Henry BROOKS
dec qtr 1882
Sheffield

and another look
1891 1ct 8 Harvest lane
charles henry 27 blacksmith born Rotherham

thanks retep,i notice some of the names are spelt differentley but im sure they are the same peope:thumbsup:

Somebody should tell chunkyfunky (in Woodside Lane link) about this --it relates to her family.

roughly101.
My grandmother Beatrice lived at 78 Macro St and it did used to be a pub called the Wellington.
uncle Charlie Brookes lived on Hick Street when I was a little girl.Please pm me if you need any other information

roughly101.
My grandmother Beatrice lived at 78 Macro St and it did used to be a pub called the Wellington.
uncle Charlie Brookes lived on Hick Street when I was a little girl.Please pm me if you need any other informationchunky ihave pmd you:thumbsup:

The 1925 directory confirms that "Mrs Tamer Brooks" lived at 78 Macro Street. Evidently this is the same person as is shown in the 1901 census, as "rtep" wrote, as Tamar Brookes, age 34. She was the wife of Charles H. Brookes, then aged 38, who was a blacksmith and publican of the "Prince of Wales" at 116 South Street. "Freebmd" shows that a Charles Henry Brooks married a Tamar Snell in Sheffield in the last quarter of 1882 - this adds up, as in 1901 the Brook(e)s' oldest child John H. Brookes was 17 and was evidently born in Sheffield in the third quarter of 1883. Tamar Snell was born in Aston, Birmingham in the last quarter of 1866.

A Charles H. Brooks died aged 58 in Sheffield in the last quarter of 1923. This could be the right one (despite the slight discrepancy in his age - this is not unusual) and might explain why Mrs Brooks took over the pub, as the 1925 directory seems to suggest. A Tamar Brooks died in Sheffield in the first quarter of 1929, aged 58 - here again the age isn't correct, but this isn't unusual.

Hi everybody on this link, i'm finding this rather interesting. I am the great great granddaughter of Tamar Brookes and the granddaughter of Beatrice( her daughter)
all this time i have been on the woodside link trting to find things out, but i've learned a lot from what has been said already.

Hi Roughy 101

According to my notes there was 2 pubs on Macro Street, The Wellington and on the corner of Fowler Street was the Locomotive.

On Fowler Street including the Locomotive were 5 pubs.

Walking from Macro Street up Fowler Street there were the following_

Locomotive, Guards Rest, Old Albion on the corner of Marshall Street, The Fowler Street Hotel and The Bridgefield further up on the other side.

Hope this helps you. Happy Days! Popt

Hi everybody on this link, i'm finding this rather interesting. I am the great great granddaughter of Tamar Brookes and the granddaughter of Beatrice( her daughter).

In case it's of interest, here is a bit more information. In the 1871 census, Tamar Snell's mother, the widowed 37 year-old Mary A. Snell, was a "pipe maker" living at 6 Rowland Street, Aston (evidently an area of back-to-back houses which were demolished in the 1960s). It seems likely that she was the Mary Ann Brown who married John Snell on 25 April 1860 at St Peter's Church, Dale End, Birmingham.

got me started on the family tree again,havnt ouched it for a while but this has got me started:help:

retep/hillbro/popt
as i said before i am the granddaughter of beatrice, my grandmother was married to a george nelson i don't know anything about him at all as by the time icame on the scene he was dead, after him she remarried a man by the name of Easy. do you think you could get me any info on this please you seem to be good at digging and delving and i am only a novice. hope you can help
thanks
chunkyfunky

...beatrice, my grandmother was married to a george nelson ... after him she remarried a man by the name of Easy. do you think you could get me any info on this please

Using "freebmd" I couldn’t find Beatrice's marriage to George Nelson, but a Beatrice Brooks married a George William Easy in Sheffield in the third quarter of 1907. If this is the right Beatrice, then it must have been her first marriage, as she used her maiden name of Brooks (and she was only 18 ). This George William Easy was evidently born in Sheffield in the first quarter of 1886. The 1891 census shows that he was the son of George S. and Charlotte Easy who lived at 29 Platts Street. George senior was a "gas stoker" aged 38 who came originally from Mansfield; Charlotte was 38 and had been born at Long Sutton in Lincolnshire. Hope this is helpful!

It would be interesting to know when both George William Easy and George Nelson died. They were both apparently married to Beatrice Brookes at different times,and, of course, both lived at the Wellington in Macro Street at some time -George Nelson and a joiner called Frank Hodgkinson are listed at 78 in the 1931 Kelly's Directory. Did Beatrice (nee Brookes) take over the Wellington at some time in the 'thirties, and was she then Mrs Nelson or Mrs Easy?
Anybody any clues?
Incidentally, what happened to John, George, Tamar and Horace Brookes, siblings of Beatrice and the other children of Charles Henry and Tamar Brookes, and born between 1884 and 1894, mentioned earlier? There must be descendents somewhere --possibly in Sheffield.

Tracing descendants is usually more difficult than tracing ancestors, and this is where the Forum can be very useful. Taking the two spellings Brooks and Brookes together, it is a fairly common name and so people can be hard to identify positively. However, it seems that Horace may have died in Sheffield in the third quarter of 1912, aged 18.

i m still folowing this link and am finding this very interesting. i am hoping to find out today the proper spelling of the brooks/brookes i am related to by visiting some relatives to see if they can put any light on this.
thank you all so much for the help you have given so far.

i also wanted to say hope the help carries on
thank you

Chunkyfunky

I think you will find different spellings of names pretty common, even in the same family brothers & sisters spell their names differently.

One of our relations was called Askey but she always called herself Askew.

Even on the registers and certifictes she went by that name although her father and mother were Askey's.

It is a common practice for refugees, incomers, immigrants also to change their names by anglicising or shortening them or anglicise their names to be accepted into the communities they settle in.

Often dialect or foreign pronunciations also have an effect on spelling names.

Hope this helps.

Happy days! PopT

popt
instead of lookong for a george w nelson for me, would you see if you can find a john nelson marrying a beatrice brooks(es) for me. going round in circles here

PopT is quite right regarding surname variations. Using www.freebmd.org.uk there is no record of a Beatrice Brooks / Brookes marrying anyone with the surname Nelson. This covers most (but not quite all) marriage entries in PRO indexes up to 1929.

I was in Local Studies yesterday and looked up 78 Macro Street in a number of directories. In the 1919 and 1920 directories, Charles H. Brooks is listed as the occupant, and it is described as a beerhouse. However, in the 1931 and 1933 directories the head is described as George Nelson, though in the 1931 directory a Frank Hodgkinson, joiner, is mentioned. In both 1931 and 1933 there is no reference to 78 being a beerhouse, which is interesting. Did it revert to being an ordinary domestic dwelling as early as that? At least it proves that George Nelson was about in the 1930s, and he was probably there in the 1920s. Where this leaves George Easy is the mystery.
If anyone know which brewery ran the Wellington it might lead to some light being thrown on when the pub changed hands/relinquished its licence, etc.

Chunkfunky, I still think that the Easy/Nelson "mystery" will be partly solved once it can be established just when George Wm Easy and George Nelson died. I suspect that Easy may have died in the late 1920s, or possibly in the year 1930, anyway before or around the time that Beatrice's father Charles H Brooks died; while Nelson was (according to local directories) certainly around until about the mid-1930s, and latterly as the head of the 78 Macro Stree household. It has now been suggested by one researcher that documents show that all Beatrice's children were named Easy at the time of their births, which would indicate that as the youngest of Beatrice's children (Jean) was born in the last quarter of 1930, Easy did not die until mid-to-late 1930 at the earliest; and if she then married Nelson, it can only have been after 1930.
I think it had previously been believed that at least two of Beatrice's children had been named Nelson rather than Easy. Walter, the son, was, I feel sure, always known as Walter Nelson. I remember him driving a coal lorry in the early 1950s, and he and his wife Emily lived in the Park district.

There is a marriage registered:
Beatrice BROOKS to
Geoge William EASY
Sheffield, Sept.1907. 9c. 1055

There is a birth reistered:
George William EASY
Sheffield, J/F/M Qtr.1886. 9c. 509

Duffems

The children are registered:
Frank EASY Dec. 1913
Joan EASY Dec.1922
Gertrude EASY March 1925
Walter EASY March 1927
Jean EASY Dec. 1930

Duffems

Yes, sorry Duffems, I had the knowledge of George William Easy's birth in 1886 and marriage in 1907, but got into a bit of tangle trying to sort out the later stages of his life with Beatrice Brooks. In truth, it is George Nelson who is proving elusive, and I am just trying to help the grand-daughter of Beatrice Brooks to get an accurate picture.
Many thanks, Duffems. You are always on the ball!

I suspect that Easy may have died in the late 1920s, or possibly in the year 1930, anyway before or around the time that Beatrice's father Charles H Brooks died ... as the youngest of Beatrice's children (Jean) was born in the last quarter of 1930, Easy did not die until mid-to-late 1930 at the earliest; and if she then married Nelson, it can only have been after 1930.

Using www.findmypast.com I checked death records for 1925 to 1940 and found no George W. Easy. The only George Easy I could find who died in the Sheffield district was a George T. Easy who died aged 70 in the third quarter of 1925.

Using www.findmypast.com I checked death records for 1925 to 1940 and found no George W. Easy. The only George Easy I could find who died in the Sheffield district was a George T. Easy who died aged 70 in the third quarter of 1925.

Snap, tried Ancestry also, same result. Maybe a family member should buy a birth certificate of one of the children?

I think one way of throwing some light on this mystery is to look at Beatrice's death certificate. Was she, as we think, Beatrice Easy. If so, it could suggest she was married to him ever since 1907. As for George Easy, he must have died after 1940, but I can tell you he was not around in 1950 when I first knew the folks at 78 Macro Street --and neither was George Nelson.
I am just an interested interlooper in this topic, and I have to agree that Chunkyfunky might be best served to study a number of birth certificates.

I am just an interested interlooper in this topic...

Aren't we all?! For my part, I had never heard of Macro Street until I saw this thread, but once I get the bit between my teeth...

As for George Easy, he must have died after 1940, but I can tell you he was not around in 1950.

I just looked at deaths from 1940 to 1950 and found a George W. Easy who died in Sheffield, aged 52, in April-June 1942 (Vol. 9c, Page 487). The problem here is his age - it had previously been established that a George William Easy was born in Sheffield in Jan-Mar. 1886 - which would make him 56 in 1942. A check of the GRO birth indexes from 1886 to 1892 confirmed that no other George Easy was born locally in this period (it would seem that a George William Easy born in Chelsea in 1887 can be eliminated). So I imagine that this is a mistake in the death entry, and that the 1942 death record is that of the George William Easy who was born in Sheffield in 1886. It is not unusual to find errors in the ages given on death certificates - I know of at least three such cases in my own family history.

I tend to agree with Redfyre and DUFFEMS that certificates might now fill in the details, as we may have got as far as we can expect to get using inspired guesswork and the GRO indexes.

hi everyone,
just been catching up with this thread,the birthdates you have mean nothing to me.
my mother's birthday was Feb 7th and was born 1923.(Gertrude Nelson) My uncle Walter Nelson was born 11th Feb 1927.I have seen the marriage lines that verify this date, and my aunt jean was born around december, but i am struggling to find any of her offsprings
According to the marriage lines of my aunt and uncle Walts father was called GEORGE NELSON his occupation is down as being a BLACKSMITHS STRIKER, and thats all i know but i will try and get my mothers birth cert in the near future.
thank you all for your help I thought it would be so straight forward, but there are so many twists and turns, I start thinking that it makes sense and then i'm dealt with some thing else that doesn't make sense.

Don't worry, Chunkyfunky, everyone is very understanding of the complications of your search, and some of us are quite intrigued by the mystery of the George Easy/George Nelson link. No doubt one of these days it will all add up.
Ironically, a few years ago I met a man called Brookes, who was related to one of your grandmother's brothers, and I know he lived somewhere in the Greenhill area. He was about 80 years old, and he had childhood memories of visiting 78 Macro Street. He gave me the impression that he knew both George Nelson and George Easy. Sadly, I did not take a note of this man's address, and, anyway, there is a possibility that he is no longer around anyway.
It might be worth getting a birth certificate for your mother to confirm she was definitely named Nelson.
Does your grandmother have a gravestone?

Hi Redfyre,
yes i believe she does, i remember as a child my gran said to mam that if she had money to spare after gran died don't waste it on flowers put it on our feet( my brothers and myself) instead.
I will continue to search into this. B/C in the near future and hopefully have an answer to my questions

It has now been suggested by one researcher that documents show that all Beatrice's children were named Easy at the time of their births, which would indicate that as the youngest of Beatrice's children (Jean) was born in the last quarter of 1930

These are the entries in the GRO Birth index:

MAR Qtr 1925 EASY Gertrude (BROOKS) Sheffield 9c 994
MAR Qtr 1925 NELSON Gertrude (BROOKS) Sheffield 9c 994
MAR Qtr 1927 EASY Walter (BROOKS) Sheffield 9c 977
MAR Qtr 1927 NELSON Walter (BROOKS) Sheffield 9c 977
DEC Qtr 1930 EASY Jean (BROOKS) Sheffield 9c 805
DEC Qtr 1930 NELSON Jean (BROOKS) Sheffield 9c 805

It would be interesting to know what the wording is on one of these birth certificates which leads to these double entries.

I can't think of any explanation other than that these three are the children of George NELSON born while Beatrice was still married to George EASY. I haven't seen this sort of double entry so early. It is quite common in more recent times when people are less reticent about complicated relationships and family histories.

The last of these entries is not in the FreeBMD database yet, which indicates that, in theory, there could be more children (though no other children are known to have survived to adulthood).

Chunkyfunky,
As you can see, the dates are *Quarters*, with DEC quarter including October, November and December - so the date given for Walter's birth is consistent with your knowledge.

The quarter for your mother's birth also fits, although the year is more of a problem. Do you mind me asking what your mother's married name was?

Hugh

Good thinking, HughW. I just looked at the marriage index from 1942 onwards, in case Beatrice married George Nelson after George Easy had died in 1942 (as I presume), but after checking the 15 years up to 1957 I found no mention of a Beatrice Easy, and no-one with the surname Easy marrying in Sheffield.

As Redfyre wrote (post #36) "I think one way of throwing some light on this mystery is to look at Beatrice's death certificate. Was she, as we think, Beatrice Easy. If so, it could suggest she was married to him ever since 1907"

The key to this is Beatrice's death entry/certificate, which would confirm her surname when she died. So far, the only marriage entry we have found for Beatrice was that to George Easy in 1907. Chunkyfunky - do you know roughly when your grandmother died?

hello hillsbro and Hugh.
My gran died when i was about 11 yrs old, she was around 87 when she died i think, i went to burngreave school then so that would make it 1956/7.they were clearing houses from round there then, slum clearence they said. my gran bought a house on monmouth st and we had the one she bought on fox st until that was compulsory puchased.

hughw my mothers married name was buckley,her husband was called ronald, he came off woodside lane, they got divorced when i was young, they both remarried.my mother then became nichols,married to him forever he was a lovely dad.5 yrs or so after he died mam met and married a man called fred godhard and 23 months after that she died.
Uncle walt died 2nd december 1991, Aunt Jean died 17th March 1992, and my mom died on the 11th April 1992, a complete family gone in the space of 4 months and are still missed.

Hi chunkyfunky - I was a little puzzled by your grandmother's age being "around 87" when she died, as from the births index we know that Beatrice was born in the third quarter of 1889 (and this is confirmed by the 1901 census which gives her age as 11) and so if she died in 1956-7 she would have been much younger than this. However I think I have found the death entry in the index. A Beatrice Easy died in Sheffield in July-Sept. 1959, aged 70 (Vol. 2d, Page 164).

So it seems that Beatrice remained married to George Easy from 1907 until she was widowed in 1942 (as it seems from the death record of a George W. Easy in Sheffield in that year) and did not remarry. As she was not legally married to George Nelson, this would explain the double birth entries of the children, as HughW surmised.

The death certificate would give the place of death, marital status etc. and could be worth applying for (at the register office - back of the town hall - or on-line via the G.R.O. website).

ChunkyFunky,

Thanks for explaining your mothers' names. It must have been a difficult time losing three important people in your life in such a short space of time.

Those events were actually a year earlier than the dates you have listed. Walter's death was registered in December 1990 and your mother's in April 1991.

By that time the death register includes the date of birth. Gertrude's date of birth is listed as 7 Feb 1925, which agrees with the entry in the birth index I found earlier.

The next step would be to search for information about George NELSON. Do we know anything about when or where he was born or when he died? Do you know where Beatrice might be buried? Perhaps she is buried with him.

Hugh

Hi Hugh,
I dont know anything about George Nelson, where or when he was born even.
My grandmother is burried at City Rd cemetry but i do not know with whom she is buried along side. I had 1 sister and 2 brothers who died 2 before i was born and 1 after and i asume they are at City Rd, maybe in the same grave but dont know for sure.

I had a look in some electoral registers. I am guessing that the unfamiliar names in these lists may be lodgers/boarders.

1924
78 Macro Street
BROOKES Tamer
BROOKES Charles Harry
BROOKES George
CLOVER John
NELSON George
STOCKS Hedley

1929/30
78 Macro Street
BROOKES George
BROOKES Tamer
BROOKES Gertrude
EASY Beatrice
NELSON George
WHITE Ann
WHITE Charles

1933/4
78 Macro Street
NELSON George
EASY Beatrice
RINGROSE George
RINGROSE Ethel
UPTON John William
UPTON Sarah Jane
HALLAM Waller

1939/40
78 Macro Street
NELSON George
EASY Beatrice
UPTON John William
UPTON Sarah Jane
TIVEY Harry
HALLAM Walter
BLANCHARD James
BLANCHARD Marjorie
HILL George William
MUFF Albert Major
MUFF Lydia

1945 (October)
78 Macro Street
EASY Beatrice
NELSON Walter
HAWKHEAD Thomas L
UPTON Jane S
HALLAM Walter
BUCKLEY Ronald
CHAFER Frances
PEMBERTON James A
TIVEY Harry

Thoughts -
George NELSON disappeares from this address between 1939/40 and 1945 (he is not in the service register covering this address in 1945).

In 1924 George NELSON is with the BROOK(E)S family but without Beatrice, who would have been old enough to vote. Is George a lodger/boarder? Tamer is the head of household in 1924 and 1929/30 - she is the only member of the household with a local vote and also eligible for jury service.

Another time I will check 22 Fowler Street, where George Easy was discharged to after his war service. I can say that Kelly's 1922 Directory has Laurence EASY (George's brother) listed for that address.

Hugh

Hypothesis - George NELSON died in the period 1939-45.

I searched the GRO Death index for those years and found only one George NELSON who died in Sheffield:

GRO Deaths DEC Qtr 1940
NELSON George 46y
Sheffield 9c 711

Is there any family tradition that he was younger than Beatrice?

I considered the possibility that he died in the Blitz but he is not in the published list and I would think such an event would have survived in family memory.

His age means he was born c1894. Unfortunately I cannot see a birth that matches exactly.

chunkyfunky, when the Archives re-open on December 1st, and if you have no objecton, I will find out where Beatrice is buried in City Road and who is buried with her. This should be straightforward using the published indexes.

Hugh

The only Sheffield birth around that time was:
NELSON George Walter
Dec.Qtr. 1893
Sheffield. 9c. 635

Duffems

Last week I was applying to the G.R.O. for a number of certificates, and in view of the interest in this thread I also applied for Beatrice's death certificate, which arrived this morning.

Beatrice Easy died, aged 70, on 15 September 1959 at "91 Monmouth Street, Broomhill" (this should actually read "Broomhall"). She was the "Widow of George William Easy, Cutlery knife grinder" and died of heart failure combined with other heart/kidney ailments. The informant was "G. Nichols, Daughter, Present at the death, 2 Fox Street, Sheffield". This would be chunkyfunky's mother Gertrude, whose birth (as HughW told us) was registered as both Gertrude Nelson and Gertrude Easy in the first quarter of 1925.

So this confirms that, although Beatrice evidently lived with George Nelson, she was never married to him. She married George William Easy in 1907, and did not remarry after he died, evidently in 1942. I suppose we can discount the remote possibility that Beatrice divorced George Easy, married George Nelson, and then after Nelson died or was divorced, she re-married George Easy. The fact that Beatrice's children, born between 1925 and 1930, have their births entered in the index with both surnames supports the view, proposed by HughW, that these were George Nelson's children, born while Beatrice was still married to George Easy.

chunkyfunky - if you PM me a mailing address I'll put the certificate in the post gratis.

Duffems reference to George Walter Nelson's birth is interesting in that Beatrice's son was called Walter Nelson. Walter was certainly never known as anything but Nelson, so I would say he was G.W. Nelson's son --and the Nelson you have found is the man who went on to live at Macro Street in later years. Any other details re Nelson's parents and any siblings, Duffems?

Duffems,
You mention a George Nelson born 1893 , can you find him on the 1901 cencus as a 7/8yr old boy? is it possible to find out who his parents were and in what part of Sheffield he came from (if at all)
thankyou

DUFFEMS and chunkyfunky - given that George Walter Nelson was born in 1893, I looked for him in the 1901 census but did not find him. However, a George Walter Nelson died in Sheffield in the first quarter of 1895, aged 1 (Vol. 93 Page 386) and so this would seem to be the one. The 1901 census lists several George Nelsons in Sheffield, the nearest in age to Beatrice being a George William Nelson who was born in Sheffield in the first quarter of 1889. In 1901 he was living with his grandparents William and Frances Nelson at 24 Upper St Philips Road.

There is this1901 England Census
about Walter Nelson
Name: Walter Nelson
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Walter
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Attercliffe, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Attercliffe Cum Darnall
Ecclesiastical parish: Attercliffe Christchurch
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 238 Shirland Lane

Occupation: Steel Melter,Seamans Process, Employer

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub registration district: Attercliffe
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Phineas Major 37 Boarder
Charlotte A Nelson 14
Fanny Nelson 11
George Nelson 4
Mary Nelson 34
Sarah J Nelson 9
Walter Nelson 38
Walter Nelson 5
Does this confuse the issue?

Duffems


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4385; Folio: 5; Page: 1.

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The George William Nelson who lived at Upper St Phillips's Road (mentioned by Hillsbro)could be a reasonable bet, for it is possible to imagine that in later years he may have worked at somewhere like Osborns (just down the hill) and linked in with someone from the Macro Street area (a number of the people at 78 in later years worked at O's) --hence a possible tie in that led to him staying at 78 M Street. But it is only a possibility and could be wrong, for it is relevent to note that he was later referred to only as George.
The George Walter Nelson mentioned by Duffems is also possible, for we know that Beatrice's son was called Walter (and usually names were passed on), but until there is some way we can narrow it down further I suppose we can only leave the verdict "open".

Redfyre,
Do you know where Shirland Lane was/is?

Duffems

Shirland Lane is off Attercliffe Road --it ran from there to Balfour Road when I was a lad, but I haven't explored that area for many a long day. If I remember, Shirland Lane started just opposite Baker Street at the Banners end of A Rd. It might be still there, at least in part, for it was quite a long road, and though much has changed in that area some old street still survive. Does this help?

Just that the address on the 1901 census for the Walter in my last post was living at that address. As I'm not familiar with the area at all I just wondered if it was in the vicinity of the area of the other Nelsons.
Duffems

Shirland Lane is in the Attercliffe/Darnall area, while St Phillip's Road was off Infirmary Road and ran all the way up to the juntion at the bottom of Western Bank. It is not impossible that George Walter Nelson from Shirland Lane is the one who went to Macro Street in later years, but if I were to put money on it I would lean towards the George William Nelson from St Phillip's Road. But we have to accept that they could both be the wrong man. Ah, well...!

Hi duffems,redfyre hills lad,
i know its a long time since I talked to you all but i have been rather busy and trying to get as many certs as poss before i got back to you.
I now have my grans B/C and D/C, also her marriage lines.
I have also my grandfathers B/C and D/C
I also have my G G Grandfather/Mothers marriage lines from birmingham.
I now know his name was John Snell and her name was Mary Ann Brown it also tells me both fathers names Isacc Snell and Charles Brown.
the only thing the marriage lines tell me about the ages of John and Mary are age fuul. Does that mean that they were 21 0r over, im lost again.
One question if any of you can answer it. If i wrote back to birmingham and asked for said B/C on these people on cert number??they sent me , could they find out D.O.B
and D/C for me.
Thanks in anticipation of your help once more
chunkyfunky

I think "full" will mean over 21, and someone who reads this and knows for sure will probably confirm what I have said.
Re the Birmingham Register Office, you could ring them rather than write, and, if they can help, they will say, and if not they may make suggestions. If they can find out these details, they may want you to buy more certificates!
Off hand, I cannot remember what info you already had re ages, for you can sometimes work out certain dates, at least roughly, from knowing someone's age.
Again, can't remember off hand, but did we already know the dates when your gran was married, died, or were they approx?
Anyway, glad you are still making progress, and I am sure you will get some help with your queries.

Redfyre, thanks for your help once again,will get back to you later on this. Just wanted to acknowledge that i am still keeping up with this