On a brighter note, the 10th anniversary of her death later this year offers excellent marketing opportunities for a range of T-shirts, mugs and teatowels.

or DVD's, oh wait, a paper has already done that.

or DVD's, oh wait, a paper has already done that.

Lemme guess, it was the Daily Mail right? :D

Its just possible there is a little more to it than meets the eye, but it does seem pretty certain that if she had been wearing a seatbelt she would quite possibly have survived.

So if it was an assassination it was perhaps not that well planned.

spot on.
Quite how her death impacts on anyone who didn't know her is beyond me.

It didn't impact on me either, except the drive down from Scotland the following morning was accompanied to ' Mourning Music ' on Radio 1. Oh, and the missis got paid quite well for doing the set design for the ' Di's Dead ' concert.

I don't care if she is dead or not. There are more things in life.

I just think that, as Starsparkle said, ' Justice ' should be done. Even though it won't be.

It's more the course of law I'm troubled by and why it is being avoided at every turn. I don't care who it is about.

Al Fayed is a nutcase, but he is justified in his pursuit of an inquest. Hopefully he will shut up then.

I just think that, as Starsparkle said, ' Justice ' should be done. Even though it won't be.


But if it was just an accident, there is no "justice" to be done.
The outcome of an enquiry won't change anyones mind about what happened, it's pointless.

But if it was just an accident, there is no "justice" to be done.
The outcome of an enquiry won't change anyones mind about what happened, it's pointless.
I knew what killed my mother was an accident. She looked the wrong way when crossing the road in a foreign country. Bang. Fair enough, everyone makes mistakes.

It didn't stop me from going to the inquest. It was closure.

And that's what we need on this situation.

It didn't stop me from going to the inquest. It was closure.

And that's what we need on this situation.

But thats because you were close to your mother.

Unless you actually knew Princess Di I can't understand why you need "closure" over her death but not for the thousands of other people who died in the last 10 years.

What about Ann Nicole Smith, she died under mysterious circumstances, have you had closure over her death, or arn't you bothered ?

If only her legs had closure at the time, then maybe the royals wouldn't have popped her off for bedding an arab.

Not to be confused with "killing an Arab" by the Cure. Though it may have given old Lizzie some inspiration...

But thats because you were close to your mother.

Unless you actually knew Princess Di I can't understand why you need "closure" over her death but not for the thousands of other people who died in the last 10 years.

What about Ann Nicole Smith, she died under mysterious circumstances, have you had closure over her death, or arn't you bothered ?

OK, OK.

I've been trying not to say this but I think there is some sort of cover up. I don't know what it is, and we will probably never get rid of the conspiracy theories, regardless of what the Inquest returns.

Just that it will hopefully put the matter to bed LEGALLY. I have no vested interest in any outcome and don't care. Just make it go away formally.

When I said ' closure ' I wasn't referring to my personal grief, as I don't have any. Just get the thing out of the way.

You're very blase saying that - don't you care what goes on in the world around you? It's a good thing we don't all avert our eyes from unpleasant things and keep walking on.

StarSparkle


Yes but after 9 years it gets a bit silly, this kind of thing happens everyday. Other people manage to move on from unpleasant things. But, wheres theres still money to be made.......

Yes but after 9 years it gets a bit silly, this kind of thing happens everyday. Other people manage to move on from unpleasant things. But, wheres theres still money to be made.......

Don't forget that there's still interest in the Kennedy assasination after 40+ years.

The problem with all these sorts of things is that if there is any perceived gap in transparency people view it as cover up. The degree of distrust in authority means that this sort of thing is inevitable.

9/11 will continue in the same way.

Just that it will hopefully put the matter to bed LEGALLY. I have no vested interest in any outcome and don't care. Just make it go away formally.


I get you now, and I agree.

But if the inquest comes back and says nothing fishy was going on they will be accused of being part of the conspiracy, so it will never end realy.

I get you now, and I agree.

But if the inquest comes back and says nothing fishy was going on they will be accused of being part of the conspiracy, so it will never end realy.

Exactly - whilst not wnating to pre-judge this business, as there may be a few strange things lurking about that should be resolved, there's a general lack of belief these days in the old dictum 'S**t Happens'.

Accidents will happen, people may act in such a way that causes deaths, a lone assasin may kill a leader, terrorists can fly airliners in to buildings, and Princesses do die in messy circumstances without their having to be mysterious shadowy figures form the security services involved.

Many people can often deal better with a conspiracy than with an accident or a cock up, because it reduces the uncertainty of the world. A conspiracy means 'this was all organsied and planned, it wasn't just an accident or a terrorist attack that got through'. It only happened because bad people willed it so, they might say.

Of course, until we get the unanswered questions resolcved, the death of Diana will lurk in the historical 'X-Files'. Just look how long it took for the Bristish establishment to admit to their role in the deatjhs of the Russian Royal Family in 1917 - as recently as a couple of years ago things were still coming out of the woodwork.

But if the inquest comes back and says nothing fishy was going on they will be accused of being part of the conspiracy, so it will never end realy.

You and JoeP are not wrong there.

It doesn't matter a pigs burp what the Inquest returns. But it's the law. And should be applied to all.

There has been so much dodging over this, I bet there are some people with new underware in stock, lots of barristers rubbing their hands, newspaper printing as we speak etc.

And it may be simply an accident. Who knows? I bet we never will.

I can out do the conspiracy theorists.

I believe that she isn't actually dead.

So there.

I can out do the conspiracy theorists.

I believe that she isn't actually dead.

So there.

:loopy: :loopy: :loopy:

Next thing you'll be telling us Elvis is alive and well and living in a Bungalow in Whirlow! :lol:

I can out do the conspiracy theorists.

I believe that she isn't actually dead.

So there.


You could be right!!!

I can out do the conspiracy theorists.

I believe that she isn't actually dead.

So there.

She's working as a waitress in the Area 51 Diner that JFK owns, and where the short order chef is Elvis.

She's working as a waitress in the Area 51 Diner that JFK owns, and where the short order chef is Elvis.

Lol @ JoeP! :lol: :thumbsup:

She's working as a waitress in the Area 51 Diner that JFK owns, and where the short order chef is Elvis.

You may joke about it Joe, but can it be a coindidence that, only a few days before this anouncent, we get 5 X F15's flying over Sheffield and leaving chem-trails to drug us all? These aircraft originated in the US, so they could have come from Area 51.

...it does seem pretty certain that if she had been wearing a seatbelt she would quite possibly have survived.

So if it was an assassination it was perhaps not that well planned.
Tch! There you go, letting the obvious get in the way of an international conspiracy! :)

You may joke about it Joe, but can it be a coindidence that, only a few days before this anouncent, we get 5 X F15's flying over Sheffield and leaving chem-trails to drug us all? These aircraft originated in the US, so they could have come from Area 51.
The more I think about chem-trails the more I think the idea has some validity. How else do you explain so many people believing in a Diana murder conspiracy?

The more I think about chem-trails the more I think the idea has some validity. How else do you explain so many people believing in a Diana murder conspiracy?

Something subliminal in the McDonalds adverts ?

She's working as a waitress in the Area 51 Diner that JFK owns, and where the short order chef is Elvis.


I actually saw Elvis a few weeks ago at the Lyceum:hihi:

Something subliminal in the McDonalds adverts ?

nah...that only causes the cross-thread baiting, Nick. :)

Bloody hell!!

Is Diana dead then? :confused: Bit convenient for Camilla that, innit!! :hihi:

Haven't we spent enough on that parasite already, without chucking more away on an inquest when we already know what happened?

How many "Joe Publics" get £1.4m spent on an inquiry to tell us what we knew already - they died in a car crash 'cos the driver was stosius?

Give it uuuuuuup!

nah...that only causes the cross-thread baiting, Nick. :)

* cough *

I thought I was being quite devious there

I lost someone in a car accident abroad two years ago.

I had to wait 18 months for an inquest before I could get a death certificate, which was a legal requirement to get it.

I could, and did, question the coroner.

So why didn't Diana get one?

So, do you think that Al Fayed is flogging a dead horse or is there a cover up. Why didn't Diana get an inquest? And why, when she did get one, it was planned to be held in private?

Now there will be a jury at the inquest. Will it be impartial? I for one would serve on it, because I would like to know exactly what happened. I have no preconceptions.

I am no Royalist, and no fan of Diana or Al Fayed but I think there is something fishy here.

Completely agree. But I do think that the inquest is pointless because members of the Royal Household will be the ones to pass judgment. The inquest should be done by outsiders or else it is biased.

StarSparkle, you and I are very much on the same page about this. Good to see you posting!

Seems a waste of time and money although a good advert for ensuring to wear a seat belt if driver or passenger

Completely agree. But I do think that the inquest is pointless because members of the Royal Household will be the ones to pass judgment. The inquest should be done by outsiders or else it is biased.

StarSparkle, you and I are very much on the same page about this. Good to see you posting!

Cheers, Jamsicle :thumbsup: - I was feeling very much a lone voice there!

You're absolutely right to say that if the inquest jury is made up of members of the Royal Household, the whole thing is a complete joke. You might as well hand the Establishment a rubber stamp at the beginning of the Inquest and be done with it. Does anyone seriously think members of the Royal Household are going to put a toe out of the party line?

StarSparkle

But I do think that the inquest is pointless because members of the Royal Household will be the ones to pass judgment. The inquest should be done by outsiders or else it is biased.

Not sure, but it might be ordinary City of Westminster residents:

They also ruled Lady Butler-Sloss should not sit as coroner to the Royal Household.

She will still hear the case - but as Westminster Assistant Deputy Coroner, Westminster City Council said on Friday.

In my opinion no matter what the inquest decides or not, unless its what Al-Fayed wants to hear he will still be demanding another one until he gets the answer HE wants. Nothing about truth there.
Like the other posters, if it was an assasination attempt it was pretty amateur, lots of other ways to do it, like when she was on the yacht, remember Robert Maxwell !!!

In my opinion no matter what the inquest decides or not, unless its what Al-Fayed wants to hear he will still be demanding another one until he gets the answer HE wants. Nothing about truth there.
Like the other posters, if it was an assasination attempt it was pretty amateur, lots of other ways to do it, like when she was on the yacht, remember Robert Maxwell !!!

This was the perfect way to do it because:
1. It worked
2. People like you believe that it was an accident, whereas everyone knows the truth about what was happening in the Maxwell scenario. This is in spite of the fact that Diana left a letter with her butler detailing exactly what ended up happening, to be made public if anything happened to her.
3. Charles has been able to move on and marry Camilla with a minimum of fuss.

Personally, I think that the inquest is not going to resolve anything because the Establishment has been all over this case already and have already hugely tampered with the available evidence, and used suspect doctors for lab tests, etc. People don't get rid of a member of the Royal Family without covering all of their bases.

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Not sure, but it might be ordinary City of Westminster residents:
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They also ruled Lady Butler-Sloss should not sit as coroner to the Royal Household.

She will still hear the case - but as Westminster Assistant Deputy Coroner, Westminster City Council said on Friday.

Actually, Lady Butler-Sloss is now irretrievably tied to the Royals, having taken their money and having had a senior position in the Household. Not only that, but she is a member of the nobility, hence her title. She should have NOTHING to do with the case! ;)

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she is a member of the nobility, hence her title. She should have NOTHING to do with the case! ;)

She only gained her title in 2006, she's hardly an aristocratic inbred, and she hasn't reached her position by priviledge, but worked her way up. Do you understand the difference? You seem to be guilty of prejudice.

On a brighter note, the 10th anniversary of her death later this year offers excellent marketing opportunities for a range of T-shirts, mugs and teatowels.

Not forgetting the re-release of the VIZ 'Diana Full English Breakfast Plate of Hope' complete with the Queen of Hearts mush lovingly rendered in the fried egg yolk. A most welcome edition to any obsessed, borderline nutjob fans collection.

:hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Not forgetting the re-release of the VIZ 'Diana Full English Breakfast Plate of Hope' complete with the Queen of Hearts mush lovingly rendered in the fried egg yolk. A most welcome edition to any obsessed, borderline nutjob fans collection.

:hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

I'm heartly sick of hearing about this worthless, attention seeking female. She was probably the most manipulative creature on the face of God's earth, and paid the ultimate price. She chose to sell her body for fame and glory so hard luck Diana. You lost. My sympathy for her was on the zero to minus scale. Now she's dead. Get over it.

whilst i'am sorry for your loss, i really think that this whole Diana charade has dragged on for far too long for anything worth-while to come out of an inquset apart from restarting the whole mud slinging between fayed,the monarchy and the government.

let her rest in peace i say.

She only gained her title in 2006, she's hardly an aristocratic inbred, and she hasn't reached her position by priviledge, but worked her way up. Do you understand the difference? You seem to be guilty of prejudice.

In point of fact, I do- she owes her success to the largesse of the Royal Family. She is not an outsider, but has had access to their inner sanctums. She may be a very nice and deserving person when it comes to her position as a new noble, but someone else ought to do the investigation.

In point of fact, I do- she owes her success to the largesse of the Royal Family. She is not an outsider, but has had access to their inner sanctums. She may be a very nice and deserving person when it comes to her position as a new noble, but someone else ought to do the investigation.
I think you've got the wrong end of stick in suggesting that Dame Elizabeth is part of the aristocracy, Jamsicle (a dame is the female version of a knighthood, btw):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5307946.stm

She is, however, part of the establishment in a broader sense. It will remain to be seen whether she emerges from this inquest with her reputation in better shape than that of Lord Hutton after his inquiry.

She is, however, part of the establishment in a broader sense. It will remain to be seen whether she emerges from this inquest with her reputation in better shape than that of Lord Hutton after his inquiry.

Given a complete lack of evidence that it was anything but an accident caused by;
a) driving at excessive speed (whether or not the driver was under the influence of alcohol);
b) The deceased weren't wearing seatbelts but the survivor was;

I'd reckon next doors cat could be the Coroner and come away with its reputation in good shape.

I'd reckon next doors cat could be the Coroner and come away with its reputation in good shape.

It may be that the original incident was as straightforward as you suggest.

Dame Elizabeth has not got off to a good start, however:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6412917.stm

But it will be uncomfortable for a judge as senior as Dame Elizabeth Butler-Sloss to read some of the judicial criticisms of her decisions regarding the inquest into the deaths of Diana, Princess of Wales and Dodi Al Fayed.


Dame Elizabeth's next big test will be whether she accedes to a request that Prince Philip and Prince Charles should give evidence. I think she should; a failure to do so may potentially leave an impression that she is facilitating an establishment cover-up.

Just what evidence could they give?

It seems to me that they only thing that they could be asked is "So did you arrange to have her killed by the British Secret Service?"

Or is there some real evidence out there rather than the libellous ramblings of a bloke that keeps proving himself not fit to have a British Passport? :roll:

why would they call charles as a witness? he has had nothing to do with diana for a long time before her death and was probably at home talking to a conifer or making sausages at the time.

I'm so bored with hearing about this, I'm off to read the daily express...Doh!

Is it so extraordinary to ask a father-in-law and a husband (a husband, for heaven's sake) to appear at an inquest?

The Princes would simply need to respond to questions put; the judge can intervene if an unreasonable line of questioning is pursued.

For all witnesses, evidence is given under oath: and so can amount to perjury if subsequently found to be incorrect.

Just what line of questioning would you expect?

Is it so extraordinary to ask a father-in-law and a husband (a husband, for heaven's sake) to appear at an inquest?

The Princes would simply need to respond to questions put; the judge can intervene if an unreasonable line of questioning is pursued.

For all witnesses, evidence is given under oath: and so can amount to perjury if subsequently found to be incorrect.

What judge?

This is an inquest not a trial.

Just what line of questioning would you expect?

exactly, what would he possibly know about it. The only reason to call him would be to ask about any conspiricies and i doubt that will happen due to lack of evidence.

(a husband, for heaven's sake)

did they never get divorced?

did they never get divorced?

28th August 1996.

OK, technical corrections - a judge acting as a coroner, and an ex-husband (who, I recall, went over to Paris to bring his ex-wife's body back to Britain).

We might also mention that Al Fayed wishes to call two named MI6 officers to give evidence. :suspect:

"Evidence" ???? What new twist is this then?

"Evidence" ???? What new twist is this then?

As in "appear as a witness". I'm not Al Fayed's solicitor - I don't know what they might ask!

I've not particularly followed this topic (so many conspiracies, so little time.....:hihi:) but the seatbelts seem to be a key part of the discussion. I've seen it suggested that it is not standard practice for bodyguards to wear a seatbelt - so they can react quickly...... :o

I believe there is an easy way to sort this all out in a few minutes.

They should open the inquest and the coroner should as a senior french policeman "Was Diana killed when a drunk driver drove far too fast and hit a concrete wall and was this partially because she wasn't wearing a seat belt?". The senior french policemen can answer "yes" and everyone can go home.

As in "appear as a witness". I'm not Al Fayed's solicitor - I don't know what they might ask!

I've not particularly followed this topic (so many conspiracies, so little time.....:hihi:) but the seatbelts seem to be a key part of the discussion. I've seen it suggested that it is not standard practice for bodyguards to wear a seatbelt - so they can react quickly...... :o

That's not "evidence", unless you think that this sort of exchange might constitute "evidence"...

Mysterious former MI5 officer: "Well M'Lud, I mean M'Lady, I'm here because Mr Fayed wants me to confirm there was once a plan to assassinate Slobodan Milosovich in car crash".

Coroner: "Is this relevant to the death of Diana Spencer?"

Mysterious former MI5 officer: Not really, but he's paid for me and the wife to come to London for the week.

Coroner: I see, so humour me for a moment and tell us what came of this plan.

Mysterious former MI5 officer: Well M'Lud... I mean Mam, it was abandoned because it wouldn't ever have worked. Do you know that we're seeing Billie Elliot tonight?

Coroner: NEXT!

[/B]Just what evidence could they give?

It seems to me that they only thing that they could be asked is "So did you arrange to have her killed by the British Secret Service?"

Or is there some real evidence out there rather than the libellous ramblings of a bloke that keeps proving himself not fit to have a British Passport? :roll:

If these are libellous ramblings why as nobody taken out an injunction to shut him up?

There as been a long and expensive enquiry but the whole story will not been told because the royal family are above the law of the land.

The Duke of Edinburgh was asked to give evidence and didn’t even reply to the request.

I am not a Diana fan but this is a case for the X-files because “the truth is out there” it probably won’t be revealed in our live time but it will come out eventually.

[/B]

If these are libellous ramblings why as nobody taken out an injunction to shut him up?



Wouldn't that be interpreted by conspiracy theorists as an attempt to gag Al - Fayed?

And I don't think the royal family sue for libel anyway.

Wouldn't that be interpreted by conspiracy theorists as an attempt to gag Al - Fayed?

And I don't think the royal family sue for libel anyway.



It didn’t stop them trying to get mobile phone calls banned did it, "Camillagate" and "Squidgygate".

Preventing the release of something into the public domain is very different to taking independent legal action against a libellous 3rd party.

I believe the paparazzi chased her to her death, instigated perhaps by Henri Paul, reportedly saying "you'll never catch me tonight" ??? Also the bodyguard who was in the car, wouldn't have got into it if he believed Henri Paul to be drunk. Why does Al Fayed think Prince Philip and Prince Charles, were involved, he said he has had evidence of this since the nineties. Is the bodyguard going to give evidence?

I'm heartly sick of hearing about this worthless, attention seeking female. She was probably the most manipulative creature on the face of God's earth, and paid the ultimate price. She chose to sell her body for fame and glory so hard luck Diana. You lost. My sympathy for her was on the zero to minus scale. Now she's dead. Get over it.

well said -couldn't have put it better myself.

Why does Al Fayed think Prince Philip and Prince Charles, were involved, he said he has had evidence of this since the nineties.

I understand that Phil is a greek and that Al Fayed doesn't trust foreigners.

His "evidence" is that Diana said that dark forces were at work. This has been taken to mean that Phil the Greek is in charge of MI6 and they kill at his command. I tend to think that it was yet another attempt to manipulate the press that then seemed to have more meaning when she was killed by a drunk driver.

His "evidence" is that Diana said that dark forces were at work.

I thought the "dark forces" reference meant Phil was actually a shape-shifting warlock who fed on the blood of young virgins.

Hey, it's as credible as some of the other theories.

And now he's got an inquest, his QC has asked for it to be delayed by six months! And it was planned for May.

Unbelievable!

He's a multi millionaire who has had ten years to get his case together. So what has his legal team been doing in the intevening time? Watching Fulham and shopping?

You got what you wanted, now get on with it man.

Clutching at straws.

I believe the paparazzi chased her to her death, instigated perhaps by Henri Paul, reportedly saying "you'll never catch me tonight" ??? Also the bodyguard who was in the car, wouldn't have got into it if he believed Henri Paul to be drunk. Why does Al Fayed think Prince Philip and Prince Charles, were involved, he said he has had evidence of this since the nineties. Is the bodyguard going to give evidence?

Nothing more than speculation and supposition - hence of no value at all, except perhaps for some idle beer fuelled chat down the pub.
How do you know the bodyguard wouldn't have got in the car had he known Henri Paul was drunk?
Of course, you can't possibly know that.

why have people who are so fed up hearing about Diana bothered to come on this thread?

why have people who are so fed up hearing about Diana bothered to come on this thread?

To point out how worthless and pointless other peoples ill-informed half baked conspiracy claptrap is, of course.:)

To point out how worthless and pointless other peoples ill-informed half baked conspiracy claptrap is, of course.:)

That works for me.

why have people who are so fed up hearing about Diana bothered to come on this thread?

to take the p*** mainly

why have people who are so fed up hearing about Diana bothered to come on this thread?

to vent our anger at the waste of tax payers money for a nobody.

still can't get my head round why they're having an inquest at all,

fast moving vehicle hits ,hard static object, result = dead people,

nuff said, case closed, 10's of thousends of £'s saved & we can all move on to the next stage in our evoloutionary journey.

still can't get my head round why they're having an inquest at all,




Requirement for an inquest

An Inquest must be held when the coroner is informed that the body of a person is lying within his district and there is reasonable cause to suspect that the deceased died a violent or unnatural death, or a sudden death of which the cause is unknown or if the deceased died in prison or in such circumstances as to require an inquest under any other Act.

An unnatural death

An "unnatural" death has been defined as one where there is suspicion of foul play, wrongdoing such as negligence, or some other peculiarity.

A violent death

A death may be considered 'violent' where a person is injured, intentionally or accidentally

Requirement for an inquest

An Inquest must be held when the coroner is informed that the body of a person is lying within his district and there is reasonable cause to suspect that the deceased died a violent or unnatural death, or a sudden death of which the cause is unknown or if the deceased died in prison or in such circumstances as to require an inquest under any other Act.

An unnatural death

An "unnatural" death has been defined as one where there is suspicion of foul play, wrongdoing such as negligence, or some other peculiarity.

A violent death

A death may be considered 'violent' where a person is injured, intentionally or accidentally

inquest conclusion, yup,their dead ,died in a car crash,no-ne knows nowt,no-one to blame, r,i,p the deceased, goodbye & good night,
there done,

inquest conclusion, yup,their dead ,died in a car crash,no-ne knows nowt,no-one to blame, r,i,p the deceased, goodbye & good night,
there done,

If only it was that simple.

:D

If only it was that simple.

:D


It is...read the French inquest report - you can order it on Amazon:rolleyes:

Waste of money, time and headline space.

If only it was that simple.

:D

i agree,just think of the money thats going to be wated,which could be put to better use.

It is...read the French inquest report - you can order it on Amazon:rolleyes:

.

It seems that under French law certain information can be released and witnesses can speck out “freely” after ten years have elapsed, Al Fayed as got the case postponed until after the tenth anniversary, Why ?

The third coroner in the long postponed inquest into the death of Diana has just announced her intention to resign the job, although not just yet.
I've always regarded Al Fayed as a nut, but maybe he's got a point after all.
Would three people at the top of the legal tree all jack in a job like this without pressure from above?
And there aren't many people above them.
Is there a conspiracy?

The third coroner in the long postponed inquest into the death of Diana has just announced her intention to resign the job, although not just yet.
I've always regarded Al Fayed as a nut, but maybe he's got a point after all.
Would three people at the top of the legal tree all jack in a job like this without pressure from above?
And there aren't many people above them.
Is there a conspiracy?

Nobody who's in the Establishment wants to risk their own position by p***ing off the Establishment. Simple as, I'd say.

StarSparkle

From start to present the whole thing has been suss in my opinion.
Everything is just too convenient.

The main give away was the Queens panic when she realised what had been done in her name.
If the new, at that time adored, PM, had not calmed it down, we would now be a Republic.

So thats another black mark against him. :hihi:

The only way that this will ever be seen to be anything like 'fair' is if they import judges.

There is a slight precedent with the appointment of General Chastelaine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_de_Chastelain) as chief of the decommissioning authority in Northern ireland. Whilst it wasn't an unbridled success, it must be worth considering this approach.

The main give away was the Queens panic when she realised what had been done in her name.

What panic was that then? :huh:

What panic was that then? :huh:

That bit were they went and hid in Scotland for one, and then coming on the telly trembling like a jelly, for two.

A few weeks ago I said:

It will remain to be seen whether she [Lady Butler-Sloss] emerges from this inquest with her reputation in better shape than that of Lord Hutton after his inquiry.

to which Longcol replied:

I'd reckon next doors cat could be the Coroner and come away with its reputation in good shape

If only Lady B-S shared your confidence, Longcol. :hihi:

A jury is a wild card; there's no guarantee they will come up with the "right" result.

It is obvious now that something is very wrong here.
Any verdict returned will be a farce.
This will be another Kennedy case, we all know who did it, but no one dare say.
If they have the power to do it to people of such high profile, a judge is not going to cause them any problems, now is he.?

I don't think for one minute that Diana's death was an accident.

Neither do I. I never have done.

I often wonder why the bodyguard in the car (who survived) simply faded into oblivion.

It is obvious now that something is very wrong here.
Any verdict returned will be a farce.
This will be another Kennedy case, we all know who did it, but no one dare say.
If they have the power to do it to people of such high profile, a judge is not going to cause them any problems, now is he.?


I have to agree with you on this.

I often wonder why the bodyguard in the car (who survived) simply faded into oblivion.

Probably because the circus of conspiracy theorists, media pestering and character assassination by Fayed did his head in. Whatever your opinion on the crash, he probably has to face a lifetime battling post-traumatic stress, his marriage broke up under the strain and he could do without the extra hassle. What else do you expect him to do? Whatever he does people will try to turn it into some sort of evidence pointing to what they want to believe. Just because he keeps a low profile doesn't *mean* anything.

That was a very classy thing to say ,well done you

I once read that the Royals sometimes refer to the working class as 'Pond Life'.

I often wonder why the bodyguard in the car (who survived) simply faded into oblivion.Fayed will have paid him off without a doubt.

It is obvious now that something is very wrong here.
Any verdict returned will be a farce.
This will be another Kennedy case, we all know who did it, but no one dare say.
If they have the power to do it to people of such high profile, a judge is not going to cause them any problems, now is he.?

There's been the whiff of Kennedy about the whole thing from as soon as we started hearing about the accident. Rumour/counter-rumour; witnesses who then disappear into the night, never to be heard from again; people involved who die in strange circumstances; investigations aplenty but nothing proves anything one way or another. Let's face it, we are never going to know the truth about what happened that night in Paris.

The assassination of Kennedy was even filmed as it was happening, and we still don't know the truth of that! :loopy:

StarSparkle

The conspiracy theories are too fanciful to be true. Drunk driver, driving too fast and immovable lump of concrete, happens all the time.

It is a disgrace that Butler Sloss with all her experience should accept the role in this case and then having wasted loads of money trying it out admits she isn't sufficiently experienced with a jury. The arrogance is breathtaking.

That bit were they went and hid in Scotland for one, and then coming on the telly trembling like a jelly, for two.

Or perhaps the Queen was trying to protect her two grandsons, who had just lost their mother in a tragic accident, from the media?

Or perhaps the Queen was trying to protect her two grandsons, who had just lost their mother in a tragic accident, from the media?

You are falling into the trap of giving Royalty human feelings.
It is called anthropomorphism, people tend to do the same with pet cats and dogs etc.
All human feeling has been bred out of the European aristocracy.
They have bred as a seperate species for well over a thousand years.
Do not assume that they see things same way as normal people.

The conspiracy theories are too fanciful to be true. Drunk driver, driving too fast and immovable lump of concrete, happens all the time.

It is a disgrace that Butler Sloss with all her experience should accept the role in this case and then having wasted loads of money trying it out admits she isn't sufficiently experienced with a jury. The arrogance is breathtaking.

Far too neat and convenient, right after she says that she has an important announcement to make.

Far too neat and convenient, right after she says that she has an important announcement to make.

Great point, Artisan. That's something that tends to be forgotten by people.

StarSparkle

Since we don't know what the announcement was it could be pretty inconvenient too.

Since we don't know what the announcement was it could be pretty inconvenient too.

If my 63 years old brain is still functioning properly, didn't the Princess say she was having a holiday, and after that she would have an announcement to make?

Or perhaps the Queen was trying to protect her two grandsons, who had just lost their mother in a tragic accident, from the media?

The Windsors were already at Balmoral Castle, on their Summer Holiday, when the crash occurred. Wasn't the Queen talked into going back to London and making the TV announcement, by Tony Blair - hailed as 'The Saviour of The Monarchy'?

Let's have Her Maj in the witness box to find out why she thinks this:

Mr Burrell has claimed she warned him of "powers at work in this country that we have no knowledge about".



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6657461.stm

Let's have Her Maj in the witness box to find out why she thinks this:



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6657461.stm

"powers at work in this country that we have no knowledge about".

So how does he know about them?

What powers are these?

I have said it before and I will say it again. WHAT were the reasons for wanting Diana dead if there were indeed a conspiracy?

"powers at work in this country that we have no knowledge about".

So how does he know about them?

What powers are these?

I have said it before and I will say it again. WHAT were the reasons for wanting Diana dead if there were indeed a conspiracy?

I believe the Queen herself was supposed to have made the comment about "powers at work in this country that we have no knowledge about" to Paul Burrell.

StarSparkle

I believe the Queen herself was supposed to have made the comment about "powers at work in this country that we have no knowledge about" to Paul Burrell.

StarSparkle

Who said that she said this? Paul Burrell? I dont believe a word that comes out of that pathetic,greedy mans' mouth.

can we not just get the whole royal family, and all the hangers on, into a couple of buses, and send them through the streets of paris with drunk drivers at the wheel?

Let's have Her Maj in the witness box to find out why she thinks this:



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6657461.stm

Do you think Mr Burrell is trying to maintain his 'media currency' or perhaps he has a new book to sell

Humbug....all of it

I believe the Queen herself was supposed to have made the comment about "powers at work in this country that we have no knowledge about" to Paul Burrell.

StarSparkle

You are quite correct.

Then how does she know? They cant be that secretive and covert.

The whole thing is a farce.

Perhaps Paul Burrell gets a little carried away with himself?

I was never a fan of Diana, but I disliked Burrell even more.:mad:

Can we not just turn Buck House into a hotel and have Liz and Phil as yer resident hosts. Now that is something I would pay for......having my morning kippers served up by an ex-royal.....

Oops have I said something I can be imprisoned in the tower for? In that case .... Long live our Noble Queen.

The autopsy on the driver of the white Fiat Uno has revealed two bullet holes to the head, will this reignite more
conspiracy theories

The autopsy on the driver of the controverdial white Fiat Uno, has revealed two bullet wounds to the head

Where have you seen this news ? I thought they never found the car ?

Where have you seen this news ? I thought they never found the car ?

my son has just heard it on the news and said it will be front page tomorrow

Was that the 'news service' in the Harrods store lifts?

Mod: Can you link to a reliable source please Cressida?

my son has just heard it on the news and said it will be front page tomorrow


if it is true then it would be all over the net by now and i cant find a trace of it.

Where have you seen this news ? I thought they never found the car ?

I can't remember if the actual, physical Fiat Uno car involved in Princess Diana' death was ever found - but I do remember reading that it's owner was tracked down. This was a number of years ago.

It turned out he was a member of the French paparazzi, if memory serves - and I think there was talk of him having something to do with the French Security Services.

He was found dead in a burnt-out car somewhere in France some time ago. The death was very suspicious - there was some talk that the car had been locked from the outside. So the theory is he was assassinated.

Perhaps this story has been dug up again by one of the tabloids?

I've always been surprised that more hasn't been made of it. It sounds like a pretty big news story to me, if true.

StarSparkle

.......... So the theory is he was assassinated.
.......


The 'conspiracy theory' perhaps.

Verdict on Andonson was suicide.

The 'conspiracy theory' perhaps.

Verdict on Andonson was suicide.

That's the chap! - well remembered.

Don't you think the circumstances were a teeny, weeny bit suspicious?

Seems a unusual way to commit suicide, locking yourself in a burning car? And I do remember there were suspicious circumstances - as I said above, the car doors were apparently locked from the outside, as no keys were found, from what I remember. He's quite a clever bloke to be able to do that himself, unless, of course, he was actually murdered...

So the question is - why was he murdered?

StarSparkle

He was listening to Five live radio

Andonson was connected, somehow? with Beregovoy, a former french Prime Minister who died with two bullet wounds to the head.

Suicide was disputed but the 2nd bullet was attributed to reflex action.

Something misheard/confused by a young Master cressida perhaps?

If its not in the Daily Express tomorrow you know it was bobbins.

I've just put several combinations of relevent words into google news, and nothing at all has come up under any of them.

I've just put several combinations of relevent words into google news, and nothing at all has come up under any of them.

Yeah but thats beacause MI6 have deleted all references to it, and they've offed all the radio five news readers. :P

How can you lock a car door from the outside?

OK. It was not misheard.

Hugh Whittow, Deputy Editor of The Daily Express was on Five Live Weekend News and described his front page of tomorrow.
Part of which will cover the continuing Stevens Inquiry.

They are sensationalising the old story that a fireman (Christophe Pelat) at the scene of Andanson's suicide claims that he told police about a bullet hole in his head.

Independant (http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article343293.ece)

If you really want to listen to Hugh, go to 2:43:00 on the Listen Again of Sunday's 'Weekend News' on here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/programmes/weekendnews.shtml

How can you lock a car door from the outside?

Well, exactly, you can't. That's the point.

Unless the person who locks the door is not the person in the car...

The implication is that someone locked Mr Andanson in his car, either alive or already dead, then set fire to the car to try to destroy the evidence.

That's my understanding of it anyway.

StarSparkle

How can you lock a car door from the outside?

mmmmm tough one that and after much forensic experimentation and scratching of the noggin I found the answer.

A key. :o

mmmmm tough one that and after much forensic experimentation and scratching of the noggin I found the answer.

A key. :o

But They Didn't Find a Key in the Car :rolleyes:

Please see my post above for enlightenment. Thank you.

StarSparkle

mmmmm tough one that and after much forensic experimentation and scratching of the noggin I found the answer.

A key. :o

But then it would be easy to unlock if you are inside, even if you didn't have the key?

But then it would be easy to unlock if you are inside, even if you didn't have the key?

Not if you are already dead...

StarSparkle

mmmmm tough one that and after much forensic experimentation and scratching of the noggin I found the answer.

A key. :o

:hihi::hihi::hihi:

But really, it is true that he can't have just locked himself in if it was proved the door was locked from the outside. Unless he opened the window and did it that way... :huh:

But if he was already dead he can't have done that either, so I guess that means he was locked in.

But They Didn't Find a Key in the Car :rolleyes:

Please see my post above for enlightenment. Thank you.

StarSparkle

That's not what was asked though was it. :rolleyes:

Maybe if it had been worded thus:

How can you lock a car from the outside while sat inside.

Then of course the answer could have been:

Sit inside the car, wind down the window, use the key to lock the door, throw the key away, wind up the window. then top yourself.

Columbo eat your heart out. :hihi::hihi:

That's not what was asked though was it. :rolleyes:

Maybe if it had been worded thus:

How can you lock a car from the outside while sat inside.

Then of course the answer could have been:

Sit inside the car, wind down the window, use the key to lock the door, throw the key away, wind up the window. then top yourself.

Columbo eat your heart out. :hihi::hihi:

But as I recall, no key was found.... that's the whole point

StarSparkle

But as I recall, no key was found.... that's the whole point

StarSparkle

Can you provide, other than links to conspiracy websites, a source for this key story.

After doing google search for Andanson missing keys, the only links are to such websites.

The autopsy on the driver of the white Fiat Uno has revealed two bullet holes to the head, will this reignite more
conspiracy theories

Hmm, I watched a programme about Diana's death a couple of years ago.
Some witnesses say the saw a white Fiat Uno but nobody actually came forward to say they were driving the Fiat Uno. There has never been any proof who the owner of the Fiat was. One member of the paparazzo, Andanson did own a White Fiat but he claimed that it couldn't have been him in the said Fiat Uno, as he was out of the country at the time. Andanson did die in a blazing car but he may well never had anything to do with the Diana case. Of course the Daily Express won't mention that it has never been proven whether it was Andanson's car or not.:huh:

How can you lock a car door from the outside?

Why not JFK ? I can lock mine from the outside, I do it all the time with the auto clicker :confused:

Quoted from cgksheff -

''Verdict on Andonson was suicide''


That's the chap! - well remembered.
So the question is - why was he murdered?


Even by conspiracy nutjob standards, that's some leap...........

... and The Daily Express 'Diana Inquest' item on their webpage today makes no reference to 'bullets in head' at all!

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/12830/Diana-inquest-hearing-taking-place

Quoted from cgksheff -

''Verdict on Andonson was suicide''




Even by conspiracy nutjob standards, that's some leap...........

Why, if someone thinks there might be more to the story than what we are led to believe, they are labelled a nutjob?

There are many strange elements to the diana case. There are many strange elements to a lot of these events. That in itself should raise the general level of suspicion by default...

Why do the CCTV cameras never seem to actually work, or capture anything, or if they do work remain confiscated in these events...think stockwell, pentagon, etc ad nauseam?

Paris had (at the time) purportedly the most sophisticated surveillance system out of any major european city. Yet out of all the dates and times that the cameras 'didnt work', it happened to fail on the evening when diana carked it.

How can you NOT be a tad suspicious?

You do realise the newspapers will keep this going for ever.

[QUOTE]Why, if someone thinks there might be more to the story than what we are led to believe, they are labelled a nutjob?
The post from StarSparkle din't so much as display a 'there may be more to this than meets the eye' view - it went straight from an established fact - that the verdict was suicide - to ''why was he murdered?'' . No passing go, no collecting £200...

Why do the CCTV cameras never seem to actually work, or capture anything, or if they do work remain confiscated in these events...think stockwell, pentagon, etc ad nauseam?
I don't know enough about Stockwell, but I've seen the footage from the cameras at the Pentagon. They clearly show a large aircraft crashing into the building.

How can you NOT be a tad suspicious?
Partly by not caring a great deal, but mostly because Di was being driven by a drunk who was driving too fast.
With all due respect to fellow forummers johnbradley there are enough conspiracy theorist nutjobs (or as Phan would say 'wingnuts') out there to populate a medium sized US state. Many of them already do I expect.

You do realise the newspapers will keep this going for ever.

And if the newspapers don't, Al Fayed, and also SF members, will.

with all respect to you halibut, i don't think anyone can say that

but I've seen the footage from the cameras at the Pentagon. They clearly show a large aircraft crashing into the building.

from what has been released (http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/videos/dodvideos.html)

all they show is an explosion...if you can point out to me where the 'large aircraft' is i would be grateful:)

but i digress...i agree that to jump from 'suspicious' to 'murder' is a fair leap. But to accept the 'official line' on some of these matters without the merest inkling of curiousity...?

Shouldn't this be re-titled ''Al- 'fuggin' - Fayed's hairdresser's sister-in-law overheard the milkman telling the coal-scuttle that the Uno driver had two bullet wounds, which proves that Phil the Greek did it in the tunnel with a giant lizard and a crate of homemade quince jelly''?

Shouldn't this be re-titled ''Al- 'fuggin' - Fayed's hairdresser's sister-in-law overheard the milkman telling the coal-scuttle that the Uno driver had two bullet wounds, which proves that Phil the Greek did it in the tunnel with a giant lizard and a crate of homemade quince jelly''?

:hihi::hihi::hihi:

ah sod off. You know it was phil the greek's mate, the one with the eye that twitches in time to the Fraggle Rock theme tune (if played backwards)

i hate conspiracy theories

Express story now online. (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/12839)

It is nothing 'new' though.

Why not JFK ? I can lock mine from the outside, I do it all the time with the auto clicker :confused:

I don't even need a key to start the car, I just push the on button. The doors also automatically lock when I pull away. My point was if the doors are locked from the outside, you don't need the keys inside the car to open the the car; they are only locked to the outside.