Watching the VE Day Anniversary Celebrations today on television, I wondered - did the BNP celebrate or comiserate?

Originally posted by Monroe
Watching the VE Day Anniversary Celebrations today on television, I wondered - did the BNP celebrate or comiserate?

Silly thread,of course we celebrated,this is OUR country after all and it makes me even more proud to be British.
You also make the same mistakes as some others in thinking the BNP are nazi when we are NATIONALIST,we love our country more than anyone.
I have a big union jack on my bedroom wall ,do YOU?

You may consider it a 'silly thread' however it is a genuine question.

How quick you are to criticise and make assumptions.

Our eternal thanks to the soldiers, sailors, aircrew and others who contributed to the defeat of nazism and fascism in the 2nd. World War, many of whom gave their lives that we may live in liberty and freedom.

The battle continues, in other ways, to defeat the fascists and racists in our present day society.

Just a great shame that so many were liberated from Fascism to spend the next 50 years under the yoke of Soviet style State Socialism.

OK...question was, did the BNP celebrate VE Day? Seems that they did. I was a little mystified as to why the 'Official' celebrations are in July, I seem to have heard today? Why not August when the war with Japan was properly finished?

Joe

Originally posted by Monroe
You may consider it a 'silly thread' however it is a genuine question.

How quick you are to criticise and make assumptions.


Your question makes assumptions? Just what do YOU think?

Originally posted by JoePritchard
Just a great shame that so many were liberated from Fascism to spend the next 50 years under the yoke of Soviet style State Socialism.

OK...question was, did the BNP celebrate VE Day? Seems that they did. I was a little mystified as to why the 'Official' celebrations are in July, I seem to have heard today? Why not August when the war with Japan was properly finished?

Joe

Because VJ day is in August http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/15/newsid_3581000/3581971.stm


VE day celebrates the fall of the third Reich and Berlin to the Russians and the surrender of Italians and the effective end of the war in Europe.

Originally posted by JoePritchard
Just a great shame that so many were liberated from Fascism to spend the next 50 years under the yoke of Soviet style State Socialism.

OK...question was, did the BNP celebrate VE Day? Seems that they did. I was a little mystified as to why the 'Official' celebrations are in July, I seem to have heard today? Why not August when the war with Japan was properly finished?

Joe

Joe,

10th July has been named as National Commemoration day and was chosen as it is mid-way between VE day on 8th May and VJ day on 21 August (although actually the Japanese didn't sign the official declaration of surrender on the Missouri until 2 September). I don't think 10 July has any special significance, other than its a way of combining two ceremonies into one and also perhaps a way of ensuring that VJ day is given equal commemorative importance (a point which won't be lost on veterans of the Far East campaigns).

Originally posted by royjames
I have a big union jack on my bedroom wall ,do YOU?

That'd be a Union Flag then, unless you live on a ship of course.

Originally posted by royjames
I have a big union jack on my bedroom wall ,do YOU?

No. I can afford wallpaper.

we love our country more than anyone.

Don't you mean as much as anyone? I hope you're not claiming that the BNP love this country more than I do? And I'm not sure that because you've Blu-Tac'd our flag to your wall it makes you love your country any more than the next man.

My question does not make assumptions. It is merely a question. As I don't know, I asked - isn't it always best to ask rather than assume?

I don't know - that's whay I asked. Simple really.

Originally posted by Monroe
My question does not make assumptions. It is merely a question. As I don't know, I asked - isn't it always best to ask rather than assume?

I don't know - that's whay I asked. Simple really.

I think what Roy means to say is that your question in itself shows your lack of knowledge or understanding of the BNP.

Are you implying that members of the BNP are unpatriotic
or that they are fascist nazis?

To ask a question such as this without implying the obviouse is a little short sighted as you would not ask unless you were trying to making a statement to the contrary.

I saw the rehearsals of the BBC celebrations in trafalgar square and also saw the march past of the veterans on their way back from the cenotaph.

As we stood and clapped - so many people around us were confused and not sure what was happening.....

VE day - what's that ?
Oh is it today?
When was that?
Is it to do with Iraq?

I was quite suprised how little knowledge there was about the events and the celebration of a major milestone in our history.

As to my love of my country..... Yes, I am proud to be british and love my country very much - all of it..... all citizens...... of all race, colour and ethnicity. I don't chose the bits I like and dump the rest.


Loops.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Because VJ day is in August http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/15/newsid_3581000/3581971.stm


VE day celebrates the fall of the third Reich and Berlin to the Russians and the surrender of Italians and the effective end of the war in Europe.

I know that; several members of my family were in Italy, German, the Atlantic and the Far East when it all happened.

My question was why was July chosen as teh Official celebrations, and Lord Chaverley has answered me on that. :)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by LoopyLou
[B]

As we stood and clapped - so many people around us were confused and not sure what was happening.....

VE day - what's that ?
Oh is it today?
When was that?
Is it to do with Iraq?


I was quite suprised how little knowledge there was about the events and the celebration of a major milestone in our history.


It's a shame Loopy Lou.

Soon there will be no survivers left to tell of their experiences of WW2 first hand. Slightly off original topic but I think it would be an excellent idea to involve these survivers within our schools by asking them to talk to our children about what they experienced. What better way to teach our children about WW2 it would be far more interesting than reading it in books.

My Grandad was a Desert Rat and never talked of the war but I am sure some of our veterans would be proud to help educate our youth. They may then have a little more respect and understanding for the celebrations of VE Day.

I agree with Dawny1, soon these memories will be lost. In my hometown of champions of Division One, Luton, in the museum they have a voxbox. It is like a photobooth and anybody can make arrangements to visit and take 5 minutes to tell any story on video and show artifacts, These can then be accessed by the public by arrangement or sent to school etc.

I realize it is off the thread but it would be an idea to record information locally from those that were there.

Originally posted by redrobbo
Our eternal thanks to the soldiers, sailors, aircrew and others who contributed to the defeat of nazism and fascism in the 2nd. World War, many of whom gave their lives that we may live in liberty and freedom.

The battle continues, in other ways, to defeat the fascists and racists in our present day society.

Pity Tony Blair, our Prime Minister couldn't show his respects by being at the Whitehall service.:sad:

Originally posted by Monroe
Watching the VE Day Anniversary Celebrations today on television, I wondered - did the BNP celebrate or comiserate?



I thought they would of considering they have BNP members in the Forces.

But the question really should be directed at the Muslim community. If you check their web site:
http://www.mcb.org.uk/
They do not even mention ONE WORD.

IRA / sinn fein (Bank robbers-Child killers-drug dealers) web site also has no comment.
http://sinnfein.ie/
Though the IRA supported Hitler during WW2. As did the muslims in the middle east.

Originally posted by Monroe
Watching the VE Day Anniversary Celebrations today on television, I wondered - did the BNP celebrate or comiserate?

Officially as a party they celebrate. However if you read the piece on their website they manage to twist even this day into an argument against those pesky asylum seekers trying to destroy us all. You can of course question how appropriate it is attempting to achieve political gain out of such a day.

The real question is not if the media savvy BNP celebrate but what was the reaction from individuals such as BNP candidate for Sheffield Central Mark Payne, who singes his letters ‘Hail Hitler‘.

Originally posted by Monroe
Watching the VE Day Anniversary Celebrations today on television, I wondered - did the BNP celebrate or comiserate?

I think this shows the level of confusion the general public have on the BNP's views and ideas. Its also a indication of the success of certain parties have had in branding the BNP.

Monroe, you are mistaking the BNP for "Neo-Nazi's". The Neo Nazi's are the people who dispute the holocaust and believe in fascism.

Originally posted by royjames
..........we love our country more than anyone. I have a big union jack on my bedroom wall ,do YOU?

Sorry, but that one was a classic :hihi:

Had me laughing for ages!

Originally posted by serapis

Monroe, you are mistaking the BNP for "Neo-Nazi's". The Neo Nazi's are the people who dispute the holocaust

Would you class someone who labels the Holocaust the “Holo-hoax” as a neo-Nazi?

Or who makes a comment such as this:

"I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also also once held that the Earth was flat... I have reached the conclusion that the "extermination" tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2001/bnp_special/the_leader/beliefs.stm

Originally posted by serapis
I think this shows the level of confusion the general public have on the BNP's views and ideas...... you are mistaking the BNP for "Neo-Nazi's". The Neo Nazi's are the people who dispute the holocaust and believe in fascism.

So the BNP are not Neo-Nazis then? Really? Then please explain this post from Disco_Cat -

[i] The .....BNP candidate for Sheffield Central Mark Payne.....signs his letters ‘Hiel Hitler‘.

Some of us are not as confused as you yourself appear to be serapis. Open your eyes - the evidence of what the BNP is like is there to be seen. They even try to misappropriate the VE celebrations to their own warped, political vision.

I lost family members in WW2. They died protecting this country from facism, nazism and racism. Some wars are never over though, and the battle continues to protect our country from insiduous, right-wing idealogues.

redrobbo,

I stand corrected! Im sorry to hear you lost familly in WWII.

Dont get me wrong, im not a BNP supporter nore did I vote BNP, but I do believe in their right to express their opinion.

Disco_Cat,

Thanks for the link.

Originally posted by serapis

Disco_Cat,

Thanks for the link.


No problem, It would be my point that it is a worrying sign of how effective the BNP spin machine is that not enough people realise the terrible ideology at the heart of the party, this info is particularly relevant, esp second paragraph:

Holocaust Denial
Griffin has never withdrawn his views on the Holocaust that landed him with a suspended prison sentence in 1998. His publication The Rune, which denied that the Holocaust ever took place, resulted in a conviction for inciting racial hatred under the Public Order Act. So extreme were Griffin’s beliefs that he attacked David Irving, the leading British Holocaust denier, for daring to admit that some people might have died in the Holocaust, Griffin wrote: “True revisionists will not be fooled by this new twist to the sorry tale of the Hoax of the Twentieth Century”.

Defaming the memory of British forces who fought the Nazis, he added, “Back in the 1960s the Jews quietly shifted the alleged sites of the mass gassings from the no longer believable German camps such as Dachau and Belsen to the sites in Communist Poland such as Auschwitz and Treblinka. Now that the very idea of Zyklon-B extermination has been exposed as unscientific nonsense, they are once and again re-writing bogus history, playing down gas chambers and talking instead of ‘hundreds of hitherto unknown sites in the East where more than a million Jews were exterminated by shooting”.

Originally posted by serapis
redrobbo,

I stand corrected! Im sorry to hear you lost familly in WWII.

Dont get me wrong, im not a BNP supporter nore did I vote BNP, but I do believe in their right to express their opinion.

Disco_Cat,

Thanks for the link.


Was it not the Nazis who denied expression to voice opinion and express freedom of thought.

Strange that the BNP are fighting for that point.

I think it is quite possible that members of the BNP did indeed celebrate the VE Day Anniversary. Perhaps there are some who wish that Hitler had triumphed? Regarding Roy James, who is regarded as a kind of 'political' punchball by so many [although Disco Cat's interrogations are conducted firmly and fairly] on here, I believe that he did celebrate the day. Roy has spoken out against 'Nazi' elements in his party on several occasions, on several threads. I do not doubt his patriotism, and recall his comments recently about our duty to 'the many old soldiers that are still around'. Before anyone jumps in, he was not referring to veterans of Das Reich Division, but British soldiers.

I am neither a member of the BNP, nor an apologist for the party. However, I do not doubt that within its ranks are people who harbour a genuine love for their country and culture. I believe, from personal experience, that Roy James is one of them.

My vision of society may differ from Roy's in some respects. For example, regarding the role of the state. Mine are traditional, Tory views. However, I do not doubt that he is as proud of his British ancestry as I am, and just as likely to celebrate the allied victory over a regime that would have enslaved us.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Would you class someone who labels the Holocaust the “Holo-hoax” as a neo-Nazi?

Or who makes a comment such as this:

"I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also also once held that the Earth was flat... I have reached the conclusion that the "extermination" tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2001/bnp_special/the_leader/beliefs.stm


Dont belive all you read. Remember the Photograph faked by the mirror.

Remember the lies of the WMDs by labour.

here are BBC lies:

http://www.truthnews.net/world/2005020039.htm
http://www.gorgeousradio.com/pages/gorgeousthebbc.htm
http://www.feisal-ali.com/

i could list 35 more lies by the BBC this year alone.

Originally posted by Liquid
Was it not the Nazis who denied expression to voice opinion and express freedom of thought.

Yes they did and Roys constant threats on this forum to ‘deal with’ , the Sheffield Star, The Muslims, The Reds and more then anyone the Liberals give us an indication that if people such as Roy ever got into power freedom of speech would not last more then 5 minutes.

Please don’t be another person taken in by the BNP spin on this issue. Freedom of speech is not threatened, but abusing that right to incite violence and hatred against minorities thankfully is.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Yes they did and Roys constant threats on this forum to ‘deal with’ , the Sheffield Star, The Muslims, The Reds and more then anyone the Liberals give us an indication that if people such as Roy ever got into power freedom of speech would not last more then 5 minutes.

Please don’t be another person taken in by the BNP spin on this issue. Freedom of speech is not threatened, but abusing that right to incite violence and hatred against minorities thankfully is.



The real preachers of hate in any Society is those denying the thoughts of others and abusing them just because we dont like them.

Reminds me of the real Nazis denying the Jews their rights.

Originally posted by Liquid
Dont belive all you read. Remember the Photograph faked by the mirror.

Remember the lies of the WMDs by labour.

here are BBC lies:

http://www.truthnews.net/world/2005020039.htm
http://www.gorgeousradio.com/pages/gorgeousthebbc.htm
http://www.feisal-ali.com/

i could list 35 more lies by the BBC this year alone.


Do you mind me asking are you from Sheffield or America? It just seems bizarre you have such intimate knowledge of incredibly obscure USA news sources and have not produce a single credible UK analysis of the BBC.

You cited the faked photo’s but they don’t really prove your point do they. They were fake, the mirror were found out and had to apologise, surely if this info on Griffin has also been faked the same would happen.

If these comments about Griffin are lies, then why has he not sued for libel?

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Do you mind me asking are you from Sheffield or America? It just seems bizarre you have such intimate knowledge of incredibly obscure USA news sources and have not produce a single credible UK analysis of the BBC.

You cited the faked photo’s but they don’t really prove your point do they. They were fake, the mirror were found out and had to apologise, surely if this info on Griffin has also been faked the same would happen.

If these comments about Griffin are lies, then why has he not sued for libel?




Just because you do not take some one to court for libel does not mean your guilty of those accusations.

You obviously dont know the costs and the proof you must provide the courts that any libel comment has seriously damaged your way of life.

Most people in the UK are regarded racist by the abnormal squad if you mention anything about Asylum seekers.

People dont go to court to fight these comments, because most people are educated to realise that these comments are used by people who can not have an educated debate about the subject.

AS for credible source for BBC lies. Have you already forgot Campbells accusations that the BBC lied over Iraq 'dodgy dossier'

As for a list of BBC lies go to google and search for them.

You say

" have not produce a single credible UK analysis of the BBC"

Interesting point". Where is the BBC credible source of fact that nick griifin said what he said.

Originally posted by royjames
I have a big union jack on my bedroom wall ,do YOU?

Right next to the full size poster of Hitler I trust? ;)

Have the BBC also made up the fact that Giffin has a conviction for inciting race hatred or do you accept this is true.

Because it was evidence produced in this trial upon which the BBC have based their article about Griffin. Evidence that was considered worthy enough in a court of law for a jury of Griffins peers to find him guilty.

In contrast all you can offer is a neo-Con article from the USA, attacking the BBC for accusing Blair of lying about WMD. (this despite you offering Labours argument on Iraq having WMD as an example of a lie, interesting contradiction on your part)

If these comments from the BBC were in fact lies Griffin would have an incredibly strong case for libel, one which I do not doubt for a second he would take up, especially given the BNP’s love for fighting tribunals they can not hope to win. But he has already been to court regarding these comments and he was found guilty, this is why he will not challenge them because they are true.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Have the BBC also made up the fact that Giffin has a conviction for inciting race hatred or do you accept this is true.

Because it was evidence produced in this trial upon which the BBC have based their article about Griffin. Evidence that was considered worthy enough in a court of law for a jury of Griffins peers to find him guilty.

In contrast all you can offer is a neo-Con article from the USA, attacking the BBC for accusing Blair of lying about WMD. (this despite you offering Labours argument on Iraq having WMD as an example of a lie, interesting contradiction on your part)

If these comments from the BBC were in fact lies Griffin would have an incredibly strong case for libel, one which I do not doubt for a second he would take up, especially given the BNP’s love for fighting tribunals they can not hope to win. But he has already been to court regarding these comments and he was found guilty, this is why he will not challenge them because they are true.


I hear you, but dont belive you. Because unlike me i use references.

As for the inciting race hatred, Is this the case that N griffin is booked for this year?

If it is then he isnt guilty until proven.

Originally posted by Liquid
I hear you, but dont belive you. Because unlike me i use references.

As for the inciting race hatred, Is this the case that N griffin is booked for this year?

If it is then he isnt guilty until proven.

Dear me for someone so quick to defend Mr Griffin you have a pretty pathetic understanding of his political history.

If you had bothered to read the BBC sources I provided before dismissing them as a conspiracy against your glorious leader, you would have seen that this refers to a past case for which he was found guilty and received a suspended sentence.

I understand however that the BNP are in court for their criminal activities so often that keeping track of their convictions must be hard for their supporters and this is just regarding race hatred, no mention of convictions for domestic violence or dealing crack and Heroin.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Dear me for someone so quick to defend Mr Griffin you have a pretty pathetic understanding of his political history.

If you had bothered to read the BBC sources I provided before dismissing them as a conspiracy against your glorious leader, you would have seen that this refers to a past case for which he was found guilty and received a suspended sentence.

I understand however that the BNP are in court for their criminal activities so often that keeping track of their convictions must be hard for their supporters and this is just regarding race hatred, no mention of convictions for domestic violence or dealing crack and Heroin.


Ahhhhhh.

You see, i dont get my sources from third parties, i go to the BNP web site and read their info then research many sources to see if it is true.

I judge to see if they are telling the truth by this method.
like your early remark, that you like pointing out. If they were preaching crap on their web site, why are they not getting sued for libel ?
You would of thought by the masses visting their web site, that they would of found some thing by now to close them down.

Seems to me if the BNP were telling lies then their web site would be down 100% due to court cases. The fact it isnt says a lot.

Take some advice never listen to other people who hate the BNP. Its obvious they will say anything to denounce them and the truth will never be told by those who hate them.

Unless you go to their meetings and get the REAL truth. We all will be told propoganda by the left wing supported media outlets. Or individuals who are brain washed by their political parties they are members of.

Even more interesting while Labour candiates are getting done in courts for election fraud and some mps are on trial this year for paedophile abuses. I find it so interesting that this is less important than abusing the BNP.

I got this information about Labour mps from the GMPolice after i saw it posted on the BNP WEB SITE. None of the Labour mps are sueing the BNP for these remarks.

Why Not?

:}

Originally posted by Liquid
If they were preaching crap on their web site, why are they not getting sued for libel ?


Because their is no law about preaching crap, however if the BNP posted an article claiming Tony Blair described the Holocast as a ‘Hoax’ I’m sure they would get a call from his lawyers.

So has your vigorous and un biased investigation in to the truth of the BNP found out whether or not the original point about Griffin denying the Holocaust is true or not? Why not phone the police and ask them if it's true he has a suspended sentence, then ask for the details of the case.

The day before the elections I received a BNP leaflet through my door. And actually upon skim reading found it to be very interesting I would love for the police to get better powers for locking criminals up and for all the hardworking people in the country to 'get out' what they 'put in' and for money to be spent on the elderly who fought/gave service during the wars rather than give it to drug users/pushers.

I am however, not so naive to think that there arnt other agendas. But on first sight of their manifesto it looks very tempting.

I thought the VE tribute on TV was very touching.

i think their manifesto was really good to technophobe, and from what i read of it i cant understand why everyone didnt vote for them.
disco cat said they didnt have any issues for crack/heroin well go and have a look at their website yes they do and its a very good one too. i couldnt vote this year as i didnt register in time but next time i will deffinatly be voting BNP :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Litha

disco cat said they didnt have any issues for crack/heroin well go and have a look at their website yes they do and its a very good one too.

You misread my post slightly, it was about convictions held by the BNP not policies.

It was a reference to the fact that Karl Henson a BNP candidate in Yorkshire has been charged with 5 counts of supplying drugs, including Crack and Heroin. Their is an article about it on the BNP website I‘m surprised you missed it.

So if you want a party that will tough on class A drugs vote for the BNP, the have a lot of experience in dealing with such an issue.

oops im sorry i must have read your post wrong disco cat :blush:

im not having a go at anyone because im all for free speech so each to their own, just i think BNP make some excellent points and they deffinatly will be getting my votes in future :)

Originally posted by Litha
oops im sorry i must have read your post wrong disco cat :blush:



No problem, with all these endless pages of rantings I don’t blame you for skim reading.

and also im trying to stop smoking so that isnt helping :|
i didnt mean to come across as if i was been nasty :)

i know some people think the BNP is racist, but its not at all, if people dont really know what they are about go and have a nosey round their website :thumbsup:
Litha

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Because their is no law about preaching crap, however if the BNP posted an article claiming Tony Blair described the Holocast as a ‘Hoax’ I’m sure they would get a call from his lawyers.

So has your vigorous and un biased investigation in to the truth of the BNP found out whether or not the original point about Griffin denying the Holocaust is true or not? Why not phone the police and ask them if it's true he has a suspended sentence, then ask for the details of the case.


Cat i am not phased by some one thinking the idea that the Holocaust was not true.

If you ask the BNP they will inform you they said it because the law in this country says. If you deny it you will be arrested and charged.

The BNP were pointing out that while in a democracy they can be charged for denying the holocaust. Denying freedom of speech.

Now put the BNP to a side, you must agree that the law is pathetic if you can be charged by saying "the holocaust it didnt happen". Ohh prehaps now i will be arrested now i said it.

Labour took us to war on lies. That caused many deaths.

Yet he wont go to prison for attacking a country kiling people.

My advice to you cat . Get the story from the source than from chineese whispers. (i have told you this now three times)

Originally posted by Liquid
My advice to you cat . Get the story from the source than from chineese whispers. (i have told you this now three times)

BNP website: racist horses. Not the best source, then.

back to the original question now i for one celebrated the ve day on sunday and i cannot wait to see the vj celebrations in july and i thought it was very moving particularly vera lynn at the end.

And unlike some racists who deny the Holocaust i think that the Holocaust was the worst thing to happen during ww2 and the germans involved deserved everything they got at the end of the war. I have no time for the neo nazis in this country who try to claim it did not happen i have two eye's and can see for myself that it did happen and the people involved get my total sympathy

Originally posted by Litha
i know some people think the BNP is racist, but its not at all, if people dont really know what they are about go and have a nosey round their website :thumbsup:
Litha

I don't think so, somehow! The BBC documentary showed the BNP members up for what they many of them are: nasty, racist thugs.

No matter what veneer of respectability Griffin attempts to put on his party, a particularly nasty strain of prejudice and ignorance is what the BNP is founded on.

Greenback that is your opinion and you are entitled to it of course, and so am i .. i liked what i read and it most certainly didnt look racist. there are nasty people alover in all the parties just how many MP's have been done for messing with children, and other things.
Litha

Originally posted by craigmason

unlike some racists who deny the Holocaust i think that the Holocaust was the worst thing to happen

I’m probably reading into this a little bit too much as I know what you call yourself outside of the Sheffield forum, but are you saying you are a racist, but your not a Holocast denier?

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
I’m probably reading into this a little bit too much as I know what you call yourself outside of the Sheffield forum, but are you saying you are a racist, but your not a Holocast denier?

Disco_Cat,

I think you are reading too much into that!

There was definately a holocaust and it was one of the most horrific periods in history. There is however a problem with the numbers involved. People who know their business have investigated the claims that over 6 million jews died. They have concluded the number is greatly over exagerated. Even if the nazis killing machines were running non stop throughout the war they would not have been able to reach that number. There simply is no solid proof to back the 6 million number.
In making the denial of the holocaust a crime is a crime in itself. We should be able to talk about these things.
The biggest individual mass murderer in the history of mankind is himself jewish. Lazar Kaganovich, one of Stalins henchmen is responsible for the death of around twenty million peasants.
Within the first 5 years of jewish rule in the Soviet Union they eliminated 6,000 teachers, 8,000 medical doctors, 54,000 army officers, 260,000 soldiers, 150,000 police, 12,800 civil servants, 355,000 of the upper class, 192,000 middle class workers and 815,000 peasants. Between the years of 1921-22 over 5 million died of socially engineered starvation.
In 1933, the Archbishop of Canterbury reported 6 million victims of famine.
Exiled Soviet statistician Kurganov, who had access to secret government figures estimates the number of people killed by the Soviet Secret Police, between the Revolution and 1959, totaled at least 66 million. Talmudic bloodshed organised and run by Jewish megalomaniacs. Of course even these figures can be disputed in the same way the Nazi holocaust figures can.
All religions have a bloody and violent past, even Judaism.

hi
i know i am probably quite ignorant as i do not know what the bnp stand for or thier policies.
all i know is that they have a strong policy against asylum seekers(this is what i have heard). you are all very upset about ww2 and you rightly should be but isnt the reason that asylum seekers come to britain is that in thier country they are experiancing hatred and abuse?
so if you are all upset about ww2 then why is there such a massive problem with asylum seekers. i hate to be nieve but its just something that i have been thinking all the time when i was reading this thread.
i moved here as an asylum seeker with my family when i was 7 years old and i think that for people to understand the attraction of moving here and the reasons and stories behind it then they need to think about things closer to home. just a point.

i am going to read up on the bnp but inside i am very nervous to what they stand for and if everyone voted for them how it would effect my life.

amiee

Originally posted by amiee_sheff
i am going to read up on the bnp but inside i am very nervous to what they stand for and if everyone voted for them how it would effect my life.

amiee

Welcome to the forum!

Don't worry too much about the BNP as they are a very small party and they didn't get many votes in the election. According to their manifesto they stand for an all-white Britain where all people with non-white skin would be "forcefully but voluntarily" expelled from the country. Another of their manifesto commitments was to force most households to keep a modern assault rifle and boxes of ammunition in their homes.

With these policies they lost a lot of deposits in the Election and it has cost them up to £50,000.

Originally posted by AJ sheffield
Within the first 5 years of jewish rule ........... Talmudic bloodshed organised and run by Jewish megalomaniacs.


So Communism was a Jewish conspiracy, now where have I heard that before?
I think someone needs to be told the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was a hoax and should stop basing ther view of history upon it.

Care to name any of these revisionist historians who ‘know their business’

thankyou patchy! i have never been welcomed to the forum before lol i have been here i little while not that long but mostly been in the "live chatroom"

sorry this is off subject

amiee x

Originally posted by AJ sheffield
Talmudic bloodshed

I’ve never come across this word, Talmudic, before so i did a bit of googling and came up with the definition, “The collection of ancient Rabbinic writings consisting of the Mishnah and the Gemara, constituting the basis of religious authority in Orthodox Judaism”

Why exactly did you use it in this context? Are you seriously implying that Stalin's terror was actually a part of the Orthodox Jewish Faith?

Please reassure me as your coming across as a pretty scary individual.

Originally posted by Patchy
Welcome to the forum!

Don't worry too much about the BNP as they are a very small party and they didn't get many votes in the election. According to their manifesto they stand for an all-white Britain where all people with non-white skin would be "forcefully but voluntarily" expelled from the country.

So basically a party that will enforce racial hatred and promote ethnic cleasning. I don't know much about their policies and i would not read their website for the truth as it will be full of propaganda. What little i know is that they are a racist force who are campaigning on the xenophobia of this country, the BBC documentary gave hard evidence of invoking racist prejudice. Unforutnately as they got over a set number of votes, in this election just gone they could broadcast party campaigns. I hope they never get in becasue our country would go aginst all the values it stands for.

May I say to those who back the BNP good for you. but dont waste your time trying to change disco cats views as he is not going to change them.
Disco has said he has NEVER been to a BNP meeting yet he knows all about the members?:loopy:
I have also seen a post from patchy who says we are going to force immigrants from this country ,NOT TRUE we will remove those who are here illegaly but as to the rest they can indeed stay here as long as they accept this is our country and respect our ways and traditions.
Just to mention the holocaust one last time YES IT DID HAPPEN ,there you go a BNP member saying it is true. Gasps of horror from disco and the rest;)
As to the votes we managed a small increase on the last general election and we will continue to grow,some areas we polled 16% of the vote and in others we got double figures.
Granted its not enough but you have to keep growing and sooner or later it will come.:thumbsup:

Originally posted by royjames
I have also seen a post from patchy who says we are going to force immigrants from this country ,NOT TRUE we will remove those who are here illegaly but as to the rest they can indeed stay here as long as they accept this is our country and respect our ways and traditions.


The BNP's policy is to "encourage" all who can't trace their ancestry back to the Stone Age (unless they are from an almost identical race) to leave the country, and people who don't have white skin cannot be considered British... even if their parents were born here!

The policy of forcing people to keep assualt rifles in their houses to shoot burglars and "foreign invaders" is scary enough though lol

Originally posted by Patchy
The BNP's policy is to "encourage" all who can't trace their ancestry back to the Stone Age (unless they are from an almost identical race) to leave the country, and people who don't have white skin cannot be considered British... even if their parents were born here!



Not many people will be left if they try and trace it abck to the stone age, most people in this country are immigrants, well back in 1000AD. We are descended from Vikings, From the Normans and lots of scandinavian countries. :)

Granted some members may only wish to get rid of immigrants but may join to incite racial hatred and no i would not go to a meeting becasue i feel they would not show the full truths. The leaders of the BNP have promoted racial hatred even if not all members do and so that is enough for me, to not like them. But as we live in a democracy we have no right to stop them expressing their views, to a certain extent

If you are so concerned then look on the BNP web site and then decide for yourself. Simple really.:thumbsup:

Originally posted by royjames

Disco has said he has NEVER been to a BNP meeting

No I’ve never actually been to a meeting but tonight I watched some footage recorded from a BNP gathering. It was held in a building with a ‘no blacks allowed sign’ on the door, and consisted of BNP members singing songs such as 'tomorrow belongs to me' and others with titles i won't repeat.

It ended with members of the BNP giving nazi salutes whilst shouting Auschwitz. If this is the kind of stuff the BNP get up to I’ll stick well clear.

We’ve now had Delboy and Craig Mason both involved with the BNP in Sheffield concede that their is a strong and worrying Nazi element within the Sheffield BNP, are they lying Roy or do you agree with them?

Originally posted by royjames

Disco has said he has NEVER been to a BNP meeting yet he knows all about the members

But royjames, you appear NEVER to have been to a Labour Party meeting, yet seem to know all about its members.

Your fellow BNP member craigmason has posted on another thread that he keeps a book of names (including a forummer who posted sentiments opposed to the BNP). What strange, sinister, initimidatory behaviour. Real creepy. Yet craigmason posts on this thread that he celebrated VE Day. Let me remind him that our brave soldiers who died in WW2 fought to keep the right of free expression.

Oh here we go again Disco I find your politics terrible but I tell you what and I really mean this come to a BNP meeting here in Sheffield and see for yourself.
You wont see any nazi stuff just concerned citizens,I will guarentee your safety you will then be able to say what you see.
Provided you dont heckle or cause trouble then you are invited to see the REAL BNP not what you see on the tv or whatever,this is what we are like.
I really mean this.no bull ,you might say we are anti immigrant but you wont see any nazis at our meeting,and then you can tell the rest we are what we are.
I dont mind those who dissagree with us its a free country,well just,so the invite is their now its up to you??:thumbsup:

So Derek and Craig Mason are liars?

Originally posted by royjames
really mean this come to a BNP meeting here in Sheffield and see for yourself.

Roy this is a ridiculous offer and you know it. You keep BNP meetings secret even from the media when you want them to be their to report what you have to say.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4477193.stm

Even if this was a genuine offer you no longer have the authority to make such an invitation which no doubt would come with some clause such as meeting you in a dark alley so I can be blind folded and driven to the secret location or just have the hell kicked out of me more like.

Nice dodging of my question however.