Week commencing Monday 9th May 2005:

District
Site Name

Barnsley
A633 Rotherham Road, Monk Bretton

Barnsley
Brierley Road, Grimethorpe

Barnsley
Pogmoor Road, Barnsley

Doncaster
Hurst Lane, Finningley

Doncaster
Sprotbrough Road, Doncaster

Rotherham
A6022 Swinton

Rotherham
A6109 Meadow Bank Road, Rotherham

Rotherham
A6123 Herringthorpe Valley Road, Rotherham

Rotherham
A631 Bawtry Road / Rotherham Road, Hellaby / Maltby

Rotherham
B6059 Kiveton / Wales

Rotherham
B6089 Greasbrough Road / Greasbrough Street, Thorn Hill / Greasbrough

Rotherham
Kilnhurst Road, Rawmarsh

Sheffield
A61 Chesterfield Road / Chesterfield Road South, Sheffield

Sheffield
A629 Hallwood Road / Burncross Road, Burncross


if you see any more around please post their locations

thanks

There was one on penistone road yesterday,it was situated just after a bend(incoming to town centre) everybody was doing a steady speed,the suddenly the camera came into view,and everybody stood on the brakes in panic,very nearly causing a major pile up.
I know what people will say,"if your not speeding why panic" but it's human nature to err on the side of caution and slow down.
Why couldn't the police advertise the fact that a mobile camera was in force,surely it's better to get people to slow down,rather than using "stealth" tactics to catch them.

The takings would be less!

there was one today on birley moor road at the side of noah's ark pub in sheffield.

these mobile cameras, what do they look like? i have never seen one:confused:

Me thinks they're not making enough revenue from the static cameras so have to use the hide and seek method. Which is contrary to what is said - 'we want to make the cameras visible to slow people down - not to catch people out'

Originally posted by savbaby
these mobile cameras, what do they look like? i have never seen one:confused:

there a small van and have a picture of a camera on the side or they are the police cars as seen on the television traffic cops.

MOBILE cameras are often just like video recorders often on a tripod, but they are usually well hidden inside vansthro' which the lens will be pointing from a window or door.

Keep your eyes open for white vans often with 'Accident reduction' or similar on paintwork. (See Deano's comment re accident reduction).

Favourite spots in N Sheffield?

Rivelin Fire Station

Grenoside

Oughtibridge One Way system (both ways)

Penistone Road

Often hidden after the slightest of left curves so you have less chance of seeing.


Let's have some more favourite spots.......then they can go somewhere else to 'prevent'.

they like chesterfield road just as your going up pass the pitch n put opposite morrisions the first left side road they like to hide in but you wont be able to see them because of a wall and trees.

In the name of safety ? my left armpit!

Rivelin road - As well as the fire station they also operate at the Rails Rd junction (Sheffield bound - to catch traffic coming off the A57) and I've also seen them about halfway along Rivelin Rd (A57 bound).

There was one on the Sheffield Parkway in Saturday. Incidentaly has anyone else recieved a leaflet about speed limits from the "safety camera partnership"? They need to check their facts becuase they seem to think the speed limit for dual carridgeways is 70mph??!!

Originally posted by Avalon
There was one on the Sheffield Parkway in Saturday. Incidentaly has anyone else recieved a leaflet about speed limits from the "safety camera partnership"? They need to check their facts becuase they seem to think the speed limit for dual carridgeways is 70mph??!!

It can be. When for instance there is a barrier down the middle of the dual carriageway it is usually a 70mph speed limit.

Originally posted by Avalon
There was one on the Sheffield Parkway in Saturday. Incidentaly has anyone else recieved a leaflet about speed limits from the "safety camera partnership"? They need to check their facts becuase they seem to think the speed limit for dual carridgeways is 70mph??!!

it is unless signed otherwise, what speed have you been driving at on them?

cols - if there is no barrier in what way is it 'dual'?

Originally posted by Cols
It can be. When for instance there is a barrier down the middle of the dual carriageway it is usually a 70mph speed limit.

Well - you learn something new every day! I was always told it was 60mph unless its a motorway like the A1(M)?

Mobile safety cameras, hmm the Christmas party fund must be running low!

In my view there are too many cameras on the roads. I know im going to get set upon by the sandal wearing tree huggers here but when was the last time you saw a traffic camera help at a road accident or pull someone over for their break lights are not working, or catch a drunk driver?! hmmm?

How about Mr Plod putting some money into Traffic Light cams in Sheffield.

I’m pretty sure most drivers have seen the idiots who are driving (usually at speed) through red lights. I have on more occasions than I can remember had to slow down because a car fly's across my path!

Originally posted by Avalon
Well - you learn something new every day! I was always told it was 60mph unless its a motorway like the A1(M)?
The limit is 60mph on single carriageway roads. If there is a barrier down the centre (hence dual-carriageway) the limit is 70.

Originally posted by DanSumption
If there is a barrier down the centre (hence dual-carriageway) the limit is 70.

Like cyclone said, unless otherwise stated.

Saw the speed camera on the Paekway being attended to today, possibly being reloaded ;)

... and 2 mobile cameras on the A631. B**tards :suspect:

Just to upset you all I would like to say Thankyou to the Safety Camera Partnership, They do a wonderful Job.

Seems that I keep missing these hidden cameras has I have never seen a Camera Van and thought "That was close". They are painted in bright colours for Gods sake.
Didn't tell you anything about observational skills when you where taking your driving lessons. You are supposed to be aware of the things around you, not just directly in front.
And if anybody says "Cameras cause accidents has you have to keep an eye out for them instead of the watching the road" will...
1 - cause me to SCREAM
2 - Wonder how they got a licence in the first place.

serapis: I am not a sandal wearing tree hugger.

yes there painted bright colours but hidden on bends, by the time you see them you have been done.

i got done doing 35mph yes i deserve to get caught if i was doing that but i saw the camera van and was doing 30 all the way up the hill a car pulled out on me (am on a motorbike) so i swearved to avoid it and must have done 35mph

On the photo all you can see is a car turning on to the road and me just infront, i explained this to the police showed them the picture and didnt get anywhere. So someone like me who sticks to speed limits gets done and the police are not going to help you, they must have seen what happened they shuld have stopped the car and had a word about his driving.

Originally posted by SlimboyFat
Just to upset you all I would like to say Thankyou to the Safety Camera Partnership, They do a wonderful Job.

Seems that I keep missing these hidden cameras has I have never seen a Camera Van and thought "That was close". They are painted in bright colours for Gods sake.


I'm wondering if you are a driver yourself. The mobile camera's are not always located in "brightly coloured" vans. Some vans are parked up behind bushes/signs and the cable is run to the camera which can be several metres away. All you see is a little box on a tripod. This has been the case on the Parkway recently. Of course, the more observant drivers amongst us will know this already ....

Originally posted by Cols
I'm wondering if you are a driver yourself

About 15 years.

Used to average around 100 miles a day for a previous job (6 years of it). Still average about 50.

As stated I have never seen an hidden Camera Van. They are always parked at the side of the road where people are supposed to be aware of. I have never seen one behind hedges etc. could anybody bring any photographic evidence of a Camera Van parked that is so hidden that it can't be seen.

ps. I am not one of the "I never speed" bragade. I have had 3 points in the past for speeding (although the sneeky bugger was dressed in a dark police uniform and used a small black handhold laser gun :D ). I didn't start moaning, Its not fair. I knew I had been speeding so I took the punishment paid my fine and got on with it.




After your assumptions can I assume that you recently passed your test and love to fly down to McDs in your Mums Fiesta.

Originally posted by SlimboyFat


After your assumptions can I assume that you recently passed your test and love to fly down to McDs in your Mums Fiesta.

You can assume......wrongly.
I've been driving cars and riding motorbikes for nearly 30 years. Had a couple of speeding tickets, only one in the last 10 years. I currently drive about 30,000 miles per year and "I assume" I'm old enough to be your dad.

I can't see the logic in some of the posts on here.

Speeding is wrong, that's why it's illegal.

If the police or any government body have to set up 'traps', be they hidden or otherwise to catch you - so be it. If you get a fine - tough. If hitting you in the wallet is the only way to get you to learn then you don't get any sympathy.

When you took your driving test the examiner would not have passed you if you exceeded the speed limit and your lessons were to teach you to watch the road and your speedo. If you can't do that and keep a needle at a fixed point on a dial you shouldn't be driving.

There are some roads which I believe I could drive on safely faster than the limits but I put up with it, just like I put up with many other things which seem unfair, like the high tax rate on petrol.


Driver since 1989.
Professional driver 1999-2003 (approx. 50000 miles per annum)
No endoresements.
Caused no accidents but been hit by four cars in my driving lifetime (two of them due to speeders who couldn't slow down in time)

Hear hear, alchresearch.

I could re-iterate some of the points already made on this page (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1527) but I've really got far better things to do with my time, so I suggest that everyone here reads through all 54 pages and posts there if they have anything to add.

How about a truce then.

We use this post only to highlight the position of mobile camera's. Any arguments on the positive and negative aspects of speed camera's can be made on the other 54 page posting.

Originally posted by alchresearch

Speeding is wrong, that's why it's illegal.


So speeding is illegal because it's wrong. What is it that makes it wrong, is it a law of nature, did God (whom i don't believe exists) pass a commandment to us via Moses. Maybe we should have a holy crusade into Europe to make them drive at the same speed as us, since it's simply 'wrong'.

Speeding is illegal because the government acting on behalf of the people (as is it's remit) passed a law that said it was illegal. Now it would appear that a good proportion of the adult population do not agree with those laws, which are now at least 40 years old. So maybe the government (representing and acting on behalf of the people) should review the laws and bring them into line with the will of the people.

Perhaps if people drove better the government would consider revising the laws?

Cars may be safer today but it doesn't mean the drivers are. I am sick of people who can't even use indicators, go in the wrong lane at roundabouts and dawdle in the inside lanes of dual carriageways and motorways.

I've been hit by two idiots who were speeding and couldn't stop in time without hitting me.

Originally posted by alchresearch
Perhaps if people drove better the government would consider revising the laws?

Cars may be safer today but it doesn't mean the drivers are. I am sick of people who can't even use indicators, go in the wrong lane at roundabouts and dawdle in the inside lanes of dual carriageways and motorways.

I've been hit by two idiots who were speeding and couldn't stop in time without hitting me.

I'm sick of people driving like that as well, although i'd prefer them to dawdle in the inside lane rather than the overtaking lane.

The government exists to do our bidding, it's not their job to act as some sort of super parent.

Originally posted by deano
Why couldn't the police advertise the fact that a mobile camera was in force,surely it's better to get people to slow down,rather than using "stealth" tactics to catch them.

It kind of defeats them being mobile by advertising them. Yes we all hate them. But you need to think about the logic of them.


We all slow down for gatsos on familiar journeys we make to err on the side of caution. We know they are going to be there.

However we don't know where the mobile camera will be, for those of us who make the same journey many of times we know it is a hot spot for mobile camaera there might be some there today there might not. However we errr on the side of caution and stick to the speed limit just incase there is one hiding around the bend.

Originally posted by Cyclone
it is unless signed otherwise, what speed have you been driving at on them?

cols - if there is no barrier in what way is it 'dual'?
Originally posted by DanSumption
The limit is 60mph on single carriageway roads. If there is a barrier down the centre (hence dual-carriageway) the limit is 70.

There are some (not many round here) dual carriageways around without a central barrier (just a grass verge separating the two carriageways.

For obvious safety reasons they are still 60 mph roads (just the same as non-dual carriageways).

Where there is a central barrier in the central reserve, then (and only then) a dual carriageway becomes 70 mph just like a motorway.

highway code website (http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/09.htm)

this doesn't say anything about dual carriageways without central reservations.

Originally posted by Cyclone
highway code website (http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/09.htm)

this doesn't say anything about dual carriageways without central reservations.

You can't have a dual carriageway without a central reservation :confused:

Originally posted by Cyclone
highway code website (http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/09.htm)

this doesn't say anything about dual carriageways without central reservations.
Ah, sorry, must have been an old definition that's been altered, it was in there "honest your-honour".

:)

As stated I have never seen an hidden Camera Van.

Is that becasue your one of those people who cause accidents by being such a wonderful driver. Observation skills of a bat or a whale is my guess!

Have a look at this.... they come in *ALL* shapes and sizes.


http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso2.htm

FANTASTIC SITE !!!!

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
Is that becasue your one of those people who cause accidents by being such a wonderful driver. Observation skills of a bat or a whale is my guess!


Its a bloody van, If you cant see it then surely you shouldn't be driving. They are twice as big as a car, they are painted in bright colour. No doubt people on the other side of the road are flashing there lights and the traffic in front is slowing.

How many other clues do you need.

Originally posted by f_g
Sheffield
A629 Hallwood Road / Burncross Road, Burncross


They seem really to have it in for Burncross Road at the moment. First the static speed camera, then the speed humps and now the mobile camera. They must be hoping to catch all those speeding motorists coming down the hill and riding starksy and hutch style over the speed humps.

The fixed cameras are now so prolific, that I for one always attempt to drive at the requisite speed limit wherever I am travelling. But even if you were in a familiar area, there are still the mobile cameras. I've seen a policeman on Chesterfield Road (near the disused Esso station) with a hand held device on a dark night, catching speedsters coming downhill.

Best to keep to the speed limit at all times - just don't want a fine or the points on my license.

yes it is best to stick to the spead limits, but its not safe to look at the speedo all the time. I feel am spending more time looking at the speedo than the road now. Especially down hills.

Originally posted by SlimboyFat
Its a bloody van, If you cant see it then surely you shouldn't be driving. They are twice as big as a car, they are painted in bright colour. No doubt people on the other side of the road are flashing there lights and the traffic in front is slowing.

How many other clues do you need.

Its a car sized van, and do you consider white to be a bright 'colour'?

On the parkway at least it's hidden behind a sign with the camera about 20ft away on a cable.
People on the other side are seperated by the central reservation, so you wouldn't see them flashing even if they were.

So your observation needs to be good enough to notice an extra black box below and between several roadsigns from a distance of about half a mile. Whilst also continuing to observe everything closer to you which actually matters more.

Fortunately I spotted it the first time it was there and subsequently have been warned by threads on here.

Well, everyone I have seen (including one in Barnsley today) are bigger than my car (which is an estate), They are of the old Bedford Midi size.

They are White (which, yes is a bright colour) with Yellow and orange splashed all over them.

The furthest I have ever seen the cabled cameras are to the back of the vehicle.

Originally posted by f_g
yes it is best to stick to the spead limits, but its not safe to look at the speedo all the time. I feel am spending more time looking at the speedo than the road now. Especially down hills.
If you aren't able to judge your speed while driving then you should probably keep well below the speed limit until you are an experienced enough driver to do so. The cameras give you 10% + 2mph anyway, and speedos usually overestimate speed, so it's not as if you have to keep it on the needle all the time.

There's one parked up at Kiveton Park near wales, Sheffield quite often.

Originally posted by SlimboyFat
Well, everyone I have seen (including one in Barnsley today) are bigger than my car (which is an estate), They are of the old Bedford Midi size.

They are White (which, yes is a bright colour) with Yellow and orange splashed all over them.

The furthest I have ever seen the cabled cameras are to the back of the vehicle.

maybe you didn't notice the others because they are the hatchback sized vans, they don't have any bright colours (white vans ar ubiquitous) and the camera is 20m from the back. Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack.

Well, Sheefield must be a special case because all the ones I've seen are the ones shown on the official site..

http://www.safetycamera.org/default.aspx