According to the BBC report. White male recruits to the Metropolitan Police are having to wait up to three years to join as ethnic minority and women applicants are being prioritised.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4526401.stm

You know something Lickszz, no matter how many times you post on this subject, no matter how many news and newspaper reports you point too and no matter where the claims have come from, a do gooder is a do gooder and they wont believe you. I am surprised you aint been hounded with posts claiming this is all lies stirred up by the nationalists. There was a similar thread a few weeks ago http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35219
Some people refuse to believe any of this is happening and the very mention of career fastracking through colour marks you as a racist in their eyes.

Its happening allover the country in various proffesions

The Met's human resources director Martin Tiplady said: "There is the potential that some white males will have waited up to three years to get in."

There's the potential for a lot of things - it doesn't make it so. Maybe someone who'd actually had to wait 3 years for training should have been interviewed. The Met's always had the reputation of been the easiest of the forces to get into from what I've been told. They'll accept people (white, male or otherwise) other forces have rejected because they find it so difficult to recruit.

As for waiting times that's to do with inadequate training facilities surely? This isn't just a problem for the Met it affects other forces too. If the vacancies are there & people are being accepted into the police force then having to wait then maybe what's needed is to increase the number of places on the training courses to match demand.

Thing that interests me about this ethnic thing is that all ethnicities are given priority and white english people suffer.

old pensioners/single mothers/homeless etc etc being made to wait longer for housing because of new "ethnic minority only areas"... a friend on mines elderly mother being made to move out of her flat due to it being designated to people of "somali ethnicity"

in public services there are "black policemens union" and other groups for "discriminated minorities" but if there was a "white policemens union" that would be racist.

i am not racist and in no way am I trying to be, but I just think that racism only seems to flow one way...

In this country we dont have racist problem but a problem that causes racism.

They are called the CRE: http://www.cre.gov.uk

Im in the process of trying to get a council flat and I have been on the waiting list for best part of 9 months, one of the area's I want to move to is Basegreen to be near family.

I have just found out that a flat has just been given to a somalian. Now im not bothered about that normally but the guy cant speak english at all so that tells me he hasnt been in the country long so why does he get priorty over me.

To top it all off he has been joined by 8 yes 8 of his friends/relatives they all now live in the same 1 or 2 bed flat and are causing so much of a nuisnce of themselves in the surrounding area that already a petition has been handed in to the housing office to have them removed but nothing has been done.

They have used threatening behaviour, stolen from shops and harrassed there neighbours, do you think the council would put up with this behaviour if that was me in the flat ??

Whilst I fully understand - and support - the need for the police force to recruit from ethnic backgrounds the case highlighted here is as frank and clear a case of racism one could have (being, at the behest of 'white' applicants).

It is not on.

By all means, recruit black and asian people. But do it using the fair and accepted methods that are already in place.

One can only imagine the outcry if a Tory government had tried to implement such a policy - in policing or elsewhere.

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Originally posted by Liquid
In this country we dont have racist problem but a problem that causes racism.

They are called the CRE: http://www.cre.gov.uk

Ermm this country does still have a problem with racism in some areas (witness the rise in votes for BNP at the last election for example) though the rediculous notion of 'positive descrimination' shoiuld be consigned to the bin immediately. There is no such thing as positive descrimination, it is always descrimination against someone.

Originally posted by evildrneil
Ermm this country does still have a problem with racism in some areas (witness the rise in votes for BNP at the last election for example) though the rediculous notion of 'positive descrimination' shoiuld be consigned to the bin immediately. There is no such thing as positive descrimination, it is always descrimination against someone.



Hmmmmm so the rise of the BNP votes means that all those voted BNP are Racist.

What a strange way of looking at things.

I presumed those who voted BNP (1.000.000)were those using their votes as protest to those who wont listen to their problems and are finger pointed as Racist by the looney left. Even though their not.

This action in it self also causes racism!

Not wanting to pull this into a pro/anti BNP thread, but the BNP is an overtly racist organisation which implies a degree of racism, or at the very least a tolerence for racism, by those who vote for them. It's not exactly a huge leap of logic unlike the 'CRE is the font of all racism in the UK' claim!

Originally posted by evildrneil
Not wanting to pull this into a pro/anti BNP thread, but the BNP is an overtly racist organisation which implies a degree of racism, or at the very least a tolerence for racism, by those who vote for them. It's not exactly a huge leap of logic unlike the 'CRE is the font of all racism in the UK' claim!


The problem your causing as many in this country are doing. Is saying the BNP are all racist.

Why because, you dont have to be in the BNP to be Racist. You dont have to be white to be racist.

The fact is the CRE openly encourage all black organisations where no white person can join.
eg like the "Black police federation"

When was the last time you can remember a black/muslim racist attack on a white person. You can not name one case because the media and the left openly disscourage such reports. Why?

Who knows. but the fact is when people like yourself think the only racist on this planet are white and BNP members, then racism is going to always grow.

I never could understand why the black community can not just call them selfs British instead of "i am black" Or join the police federation, instead of creating a black police federation.

This action in it self causes racism. How do i know. Because the BNP use these points to justify their policies. When people experince this problem they dont need the BNP to lecture to them what is going on in their country. You only have to pick up the news paper and their will be a story like the Met police.

What is interesting about the CRE is that the chineese community have no help from them in getting high profile jobs such as politicians, high ranking officers in the UK forces or Police Force. So why are the CRE not being called racist.

Because the public are like sheep, they hear the dog bark then the react. No need to think just move to the Bark.

Theirs quite an interesting article on this on the BNP’s website it begins with a picture of four Muslim women in their police uniform with the Caption, “No joke! These are real Met officers patrolling the nation's capital.”

The BNP doesn’t elude as to why it should be a joke that Muslim women could be police officers, however it does show just the sort of sexist and racist attitudes such women serving their communities are up against.

Positive discrimination is an incredibly complex subject and I don’t know fully where i stand on it, but it's clear from as far back as the Scarman report that having an non representative, purely white male police force causes great problems, a fact highlight by the McPherson report. I’m inclined to think that Positive Discrimination is a lesser evil then allowing the police force to continue as place were new recruits happily dress up as the Klu Klux Klan in front of each other, as exposed in the Secret Policeman programme.

Incidentally Liquid, what about the vicious racist murder of Kriss Glass whose murder investigation was not hampered by institutional racism and so thankfully his killer is behind bars, unlike Stephen Lawrence whose murders are still at large.

Originally posted by Liquid


I never could understand why the black community can not just call them selfs British instead of "i am black" Or join the police federation, instead of creating a black police federation.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/england/4497637.stm

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Theirs quite an interesting article on this on the BNP’s website it begins with a picture of four Muslim women in their police uniform with the Caption, “No joke! These are real Met officers patrolling the nation's capital.”



Incidentally Liquid, what about the vicious racist murder of Kriss Glass whose murder investigation was not hampered by institutional racism and so thankfully his killer is behind bars, unlike Stephen Lawrence whose murders are still at large.


Cat i always found this case interesting from the start.

They claim it was a racist attack. Yet like your comment they never found the killers. Or witnesses.

Now this baffles me. How do they know it was a racist attack untill they catch the killers?

Its the same old story of. Any non white person attacked on the streets of UK, treat as a racist attack. Regardless if you have no proof.

Originally posted by Liquid

Its the same old story of. Any non white person attacked on the streets of UK, treat as a racist attack. Regardless if you have no proof.

Your getting ahead of yourself.

The McPherson report revealed that his murder was not correctly investigated due to racism within the police. The race or motives of his killers is irrelevant, it was the fact that because he was black that it was not treated seriously that is the crux of the need for reform in the police force.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Your getting ahead of yourself.

The McPherson report revealed that his murder was not correctly investigated due to racism within the police.




LOL Not surprised Cat You confusing me!



you say on the previous message

" Incidentally Liquid, what about the vicious racist murder of Kriss Glass whose murder investigation was not hampered by institutional racism and so thankfully his killer is behind bars, unlike Stephen Lawrence whose murders are still at large."

Yet i read the quote above.

Originally posted by Liquid
The problem your causing as many in this country are doing. Is saying the BNP are all racist.

The BNP are an overtly racist organisation which implies members/voters are racists or tolerent of racists. Would you join a racist organisation if you were not racist or at the very least thought that racism was OK?

Why because, you dont have to be in the BNP to be Racist. You dont have to be white to be racist.

The fact is the CRE openly encourage all black organisations where no white person can join.
eg like the "Black police federation"

No you don't - and as I put in an earlier post there is no such thing as positive discrimination - it's all discrimination against someone. It's a sad fact of life that all racial groups suffer discrimination at some times and from some people, none of which is (in my possibly utopian eyes) acceptable.

When was the last time you can remember a black/muslim racist attack on a white person. You can not name one case because the media and the left openly disscourage such reports. Why?

A quick google reveals such things as:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,651688,00.html

or is The Observer not a valid media outlet?

However I do think that far too many people are too quick to cry racism if person a assualts person b and steals their wallet does it matter what sex / race / creed / shade persons a and b are?

Who knows. but the fact is when people like yourself think the only racist on this planet are white and BNP members, then racism is going to always grow.

Ermmm have you actually read my earlier posts? Have I claimed or even implied that the only racists on the planet are white and/or members of the BNP? Saying that the BNP is an openly racist organisation does not imply that to be racist you must be a member of the BNP or white does it?

I never could understand why the black community can not just call them selfs British instead of "i am black"

Perhaps because black is a part of their cultural identity like you may say you are white british, or a yorkshireman. Cultural identity is a combination of multiple elements not a single label.

Or join the police federation, instead of creating a black police federation.

This action in it self causes racism. How do i know. Because the BNP use these points to justify their policies. When people experince this problem they dont need the BNP to lecture to them what is going on in their country. You only have to pick up the news paper and their will be a story like the Met police.

Now I don't agree with a black police federation any more than I would agree with a white police federation. But then again I don't agree with the violent, unthinking antics of the ANL any more than I agree with the knuckle draggers from the BNP. Extremes and bias of ALL types is inherantly dangerous and causes problems.

What is interesting about the CRE is that the chineese community have no help from them in getting high profile jobs such as politicians, high ranking officers in the UK forces or Police Force. So why are the CRE not being called racist.

Taking a look at their website it's because they aren't being racist! Theres nothing on the rights and background elements which favours or (outside of a couple of examples) even mentions any race.

Because the public are like sheep, they hear the dog bark then the react. No need to think just move to the Bark.

Which particular element of "the public" are you referring to here. Yes there are unthinking elements who will react dogmatically and unthinkingly (how many times have you heard "I will vote X because I have always voted X and come from an X family" where X is any given political party) but that happens in all groups left, right, black, white, ANL, BNP etc. etc. etc.

Originally posted by Liquid
When was the last time you can remember a black/muslim racist attack on a white person. You can not name one case

Let me try and clear things up for you a little bit, I know how easily confused you get.

You posted the above question, I was able to provide an example of a black racist killing a white person. Because their is not institutionalised anti-white racism within the police force, tradgic case was correctly investigated by the police and the killer was bought to justice.

In contrast however Stephen Lawrence was a young black man whose murder was not correctly investigated, the McPherson report concluded due to racism within the police force.

Do you understand the point I was trying to make now?