Where do we all live? [Archive]

mr craig

20-10-2003, 20:53

Originally posted by Agent Dan
Bang smack in the middle, me. Incidentally, my postcode was fine mr craig!!:P You still on for a SFII battle btw?

Yeah but the building you live in is quite a few years older than mine mate,so that would explain my postcode not being recognised.
As for the SF II battle i'm still well up for it,as long as theres some beers involved as well!! Maybe next week sometime,i'll pm you when i know for sure mate. (Sneaks off to get PS2 fired up,lol)

t020

20-10-2003, 22:19

Originally posted by caprice
Apparently, I'm from attercliffe. (Used the website) Hmm!

Caprice do you not understand what political constituencies are? Are there no young people even slightly interested in politics?

Anyway, howcome I can't vote for my constituency on the poll? It says:
You do not have permission to vote on this poll.
:(

t020

20-10-2003, 22:42

By the way, since it won't let me vote, add another to the count for Sheffield Hallam.

andyb

20-10-2003, 23:15

No radio button for me but I do live in Sheffield.......just

andyb

mslotus

20-10-2003, 23:44

Well apparently I'm in Brightside although I can almost see Hillsbro ground from my back door. Strange . Its one of those north eastern sheffield council sinks. By the way MARTINO I was also born in '59 and moved to Longley in '65. What school did you go to? Maybe we knew each other as young uns and cycleracers wife might be known to us too.

Spacehopper

20-10-2003, 23:51

8) Nah Den Ace........

Originally posted by mslotus
.........Its one of those north eastern sheffield council sinks.

Where does the term "sink" as in North Eastern Sheffield Council Sink come from, what does it mean? I've heard this term used before..........just wondered! :?

Regards,

Spacehopper.

mslotus

21-10-2003, 00:31

Read castlegate thread hopper.All of us folk over here were categorized in that thread. I'm saying nothing as it could get nasty.

*Twinkle*

21-10-2003, 06:17

Caprice do you not understand what political constituencies are? Are there no young people even slightly interested in politics?

Yes and probably not, t020, but we do hate to stereotype, don't we??

I'm not old enough to vote, hence me not having much interest in it. I'll be interested t020, when what I have to say gets counted.

Jamie

21-10-2003, 09:32

I live in Intake ... but not according to the 'constituency finder' ... I'm in Heely !!

Belle

21-10-2003, 09:40

Jamie

There is no parliamentary constituency called Intake

Intake is one of five wards that make up Sheffield Heeley

Belle

Belle

21-10-2003, 09:50

Just so you know - on current boundaries the City splits up as follows

Sheffield Attercliffe's wards are
Darnall, Birley, Handsworth and Mosborough

Sheffield Brightside's wards are
Owlerton, Brightside, Nethershire, Southey Green, Firth Park

Sheffield Central's wards are
Burngreave, Netherthorpe, Manor, Castle, Netheredge, Sharrow

Sheffield Hallam's wards are
Ecclesall, Dore, Hallam, Broomhill

Sheffield Heeley's wards are
Beauchief, Heeley, Intake, Norton, Park

Sheffield Hillsborough's wards are
Stocksbridge, Chapel Green, Hillsborough, South Wortley, Walkley

HTH

Fletch

21-10-2003, 11:57

erm wht does crookes come under????

upholder

21-10-2003, 12:01

Originally posted by Fletch
erm wht does crookes come under????

Should be Hallam :thumbsup:

max

21-10-2003, 12:56

Originally posted by upholder
Should be Hallam :thumbsup:
Or Central or Hillsborough.

The border between the 3 is on Northfield Road. Central runs all along the east side between Heavygate and School Roads. H'boro runs on the west side from Mulehouse Road north and Hallam on the west side from Mulehouse south.

Look here for the streets of which I speak:

Crookes (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=432983&y=388130&z=1&sv=northfield+road&st=6&tl=Northfield+Road,+Sheffield,+S_10&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srf)

Easier to put your post code in the constituency finder.

Classic Rock

21-10-2003, 14:42

I guess I'm Sheffield Central.

mr craig

21-10-2003, 15:46

Originally posted by Classic Rock
I guess I'm Sheffield Central.

I thought you would have been Hallam?? My sister used to live in the 1-11 apartments near your pub and she was told that it was Hallam.

Belle

21-10-2003, 15:53

Originally posted by max
Easier to put your post code in the constituency finder.

You can lead a horse to water Max...

Phanerothyme

21-10-2003, 15:56

Originally posted by Belle
You can lead a horse to water Max...
I thought horses find water for themselves, but pencils must be lead...

max

21-10-2003, 16:41

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
I thought horses find water for themselves, but pencils must be lead...
Ho ho ho.

21-10-2003, 16:57

Originally posted by Belle
Just so you know - on current boundaries the City splits up as follows

Sheffield Attercliffe's wards are
Darnall, Birley, Handsworth and Mosborough

Sheffield Brightside's wards are
Owlerton, Brightside, Nethershire, Southey Green, Firth Park

Sheffield Central's wards are
Burngreave, Netherthorpe, Manor, Castle, Netheredge, Sharrow

Sheffield Hallam's wards are
Ecclesall, Dore, Hallam, Broomhill

Sheffield Heeley's wards are
Beauchief, Heeley, Intake, Norton, Park

Sheffield Hillsborough's wards are
Stocksbridge, Chapel Green, Hillsborough, South Wortley, Walkley

HTH

Nor for long though Belle. All are in the process of being rearranged as per boundary changes. I believe that draft went to Council a couple of weeks ago.

PS t020 disenfranchised?

pontious

21-10-2003, 17:29

I live in Oughtibridge which I have decided to declare an independant state!

We dont want ANYTHING to do with this council that is systematically destroying this great city of ours!! :mad:

Swearing removed

Torr3x

21-10-2003, 17:39

I live in woodhouse.

t020

21-10-2003, 17:49

I'm absolutely astounded by the amount of people who don't know which constituency they live within, and some even not understanding what constituencies are! Does nobody bother voting these days? No wonder we end up with disfunctional governments.

max

21-10-2003, 18:02

Originally posted by Mo
Nor for long though Belle. All are in the process of being rearranged as per boundary changes. I believe that draft went to Council a couple of weeks ago.

PS t020 disenfranchised?
Not quite right. The boundary review only affects ward boundaries not constituency ones. For instance, Netherthorpe ward will disappear and will be split between Walkley, Central, Crookes & Broomhill wards. However, the residents of what is now Netherthorpe will still be in Central constituncy.

The new Walkley will consist of parts of the existing Walkley plus parts of Hillsborough, Owlerton and Netherthorpe wards. Some of the residents of the new Walkley, therefore, will be in Central constituency, some in Brightside and some in Hillsborough.

The constituency boundary changes are not due to be implemented until after the next general election. Confused?

Go here for maps and reports:
Electoral Commission (http://www.boundarycommittee.org.uk/templates/search/searches/20031021-185934-sheffield/page1.htm)

21-10-2003, 18:36

I stand corrected Max ;)

MARTINO 1

21-10-2003, 19:12

Mslotus martino went to st patricks school sheffield lane top and then st peters secondary morral road hope this helps.

Lindseyw

22-10-2003, 10:27

Bit Harsh ....and you cant really speak for everyone in the village .....I have family & friends there that don't seem to have such a big hangup about it ?

max

22-10-2003, 10:32

Originally posted by Lindseyw
Bit Harsh ....and you cant really speak for everyone in the village .....I have family & friends there that don't seem to have such a big hangup about it ?
Well said, LindseyW. I have a friend in O'bridge who is also a city councillor. She's trying to improve things for her community by working from the inside. A far better way of doing things than just sitting on the sidelines whingeing.

pontious

22-10-2003, 11:07

Woah there kiddies!! I love my villiage, its a nice place to live but the council in its wisdom will grant planning permission for £200k+ developments on any spare land that happens to be going.
If I want a doctors appointment there is usually a 3 day wait, I have to register my kids for the local school before they are born and can never get parked outside my house because of all the 4 wheel driving housewifes dropping their kids off at school!
I use my vote at every opportunity to try and get rid of this bent council that IS destroying our city with hidious new developments in town and in the suburbs.
When was the last time they built any new council houses at Oughtibridge??

max

22-10-2003, 11:37

Originally posted by pontious
Woah there kiddies!! I love my villiage, its a nice place to live but the council in its wisdom will grant planning permission for £200k+ developments on any spare land that happens to be going.
If I want a doctors appointment there is usually a 3 day wait, I have to register my kids for the local school before they are born and can never get parked outside my house because of all the 4 wheel driving housewifes dropping their kids off at school!
I use my vote at every opportunity to try and get rid of this bent council that IS destroying our city with hidious new developments in town and in the suburbs.
When was the last time they built any new council houses at Oughtibridge??
I think you're venting your spleen at the wrong target.

The council 'in its wisdom' does not have that much choice in terms of what type of development can and can't get planning permission. They can only follow the officers' recommendations which are based on the national laws and guidelines. Where councils do turn down planning permission the developers run straight to the Department of the Environment and have the decision overturned.

Your target should be the greedy developer who is spoiling most of the country with inappropriate housing.

How is it the council's fault that doctors don't want to open new surgeries in Oughtibridge? Perhaps again it's down to commercial reasons.

There are plenty of school places throughout Sheffield and in certain places there is an excess just as in certain places there is a shortage. Again, how is this the council's fault? Should they have anticipated 10 years ago that you would be having children and that developers would be building more houses in Oughtibridge?

4 wheel drive housewives dropping their kids off at school? This is the council's fault?

When did anybody last build council houses anywhere?

Andy C

22-10-2003, 11:50

Apparantly on the proposals to change the ward boundaries for council elections, the line will be drawn down the middle of Bradway, with one half still in Dore ward, and the other half in a new Beauchief & Greenhill ward.

Seems silly splitting a community like that, and I assume we will then require 2 polling stations in Bradway!

story: http://www.villagepublications.co.uk/bradway/index.htm

alchresearch

22-10-2003, 12:09

Originally posted by max
Your target should be the greedy developer who is spoiling most of the country with inappropriate housing.

You can't just buy a plot of land and build anywhere, someone has to give planning permission. And what ever happened to the 'green belt' around the town? There are plenty of former brownfield sites that could be used.

Agent Dan

22-10-2003, 12:13

Green belts were sold off in the late 80s/early 90s to private developers by tory governments who wanted more cash. This is a fact as we studied it at Geography A-Level...

max

22-10-2003, 12:17

Originally posted by alchresearch
You can't just buy a plot of land and build anywhere, someone has to give planning permission. And what ever happened to the 'green belt' around the town? There are plenty of former brownfield sites that could be used.
To reiterate, planning law and guidelines are laid down by parliament.

The unitary plans mentioned on another thread defines where green field sites are located and these plans are open to public scrutiny and objection when they are drawn up. (I'd do a search for the thread but the network's running like a dog, I think it's all these people surfing the web when they should be working. :) )

As far as I'm aware the green belt is still there and if you look at the majority of developments around Oughtibridge they are built on brownfield sites.

pontious

22-10-2003, 12:20

. It is THEIR fault you have to wait - not the council, they only set guidelines. [/B]

I dont believe for one minute that the council has no say on development, if it protested loud enough they could stop some of the stupid developments. The council grants permission - more houses - more patients for the doctor!!

Why is nothing ever this councils fault???

DaBouncer

22-10-2003, 13:51

Originally posted by pontious
I live in Oughtibridge which I have decided to declare an independant state!

We dont want ANYTHING to do with this ******* council that is systematically destroying this great city of ours!! :mad:
A bit harsh and pontius/feckle this aint the hawley board so please keep to the SF censorship rules. Hawley don't mind it but I reckon Geoff does! :P

pontious

23-10-2003, 01:01

I apologise for my 'cussing' outburst....but sometimes this council makes me awfully angry!

Spacehopper

23-10-2003, 01:16

8) Nah Den Ace..........

Originally posted by pontious
....but sometimes this council makes me awfully angry!

I feel that if you owned your anger, this would make you a happier person Pontious. When you say they (the Council) make you angry, is it not more the case that when the Council do x,y or z you feel angry.

We are all only responsible for our own thoughts, feelings and actions...........no one can make you feel or think a certain way.........that choice, my friend, is yours!!!

Regards,

Spacehopper.

pontious

23-10-2003, 08:00

Why, thank you for my free therapy session Mr Hopper!

Do yo want to hear about my childhood and my fascination with string? ;)

Bookey

23-10-2003, 10:17

Originally posted by max
In an effort to get a feel for where people live I'm using constituencies rather than locales for no other reason than that there are fewer. Additionally, it's more descriptive than North, East, etc.

I live on the edge of Barnsley! (not local thank f00k:loopy: )
Moving to Sheffield some time after Christmas :D

Nutronic

23-10-2003, 10:20

I live up lowedges:D that be in the Heeley Constituency!:thumbsup:

max

23-10-2003, 10:24

Originally posted by max
If you're not sure in which constituency you live go here and put in your postcode:

Constituency finder (http://www.locata.co.uk/commons/)

Belle

23-10-2003, 10:41

Maxy, I have a brick wall here if you should find you need it
x

riddo7up

25-10-2003, 07:01

I was from Frecxheville too. Now living in Chesterfield

Tony

25-10-2003, 07:32

Originally posted by Agent Dan
Green belts were sold off in the late 80s/early 90s to private developers by tory governments who wanted more cash. This is a fact as we studied it at Geography A-Level...

Ridiculous, and untrue. Who taught you this "fact"?

I am not a big conservative fan, but it was under their last reign that the present tight planning controls were introduced. The Town and Country Planning Act (1990) laid down tight guidelines and brought in a process of locally drafted planning guidance (in Sheffield it is called the Unitary Development Plan) that more often than not specifically excludes development in the "Green Belt" unless under very special and justified circumstances.

If you were taught correctly, you would have been told that it was John Prescott – the Labour Deputy Prime Minister that announced the release of significant areas of greenbelt land in the south of England to build additional homes.

Prescott set a national target of only 60% of new homes to be built on brownfield sites, which is strange when only 8% are currently built on Greenbelt sites.

The honest truth is that there are more people that need more homes, and how many people live in homes that were always there – NONE! Everyone lives on what was once green open land.

At the end of the day there are more people that need more houses, and they have to go somewhere.

MrH

25-10-2003, 09:11

That'll be Sheffield Central then

Agent Dan

27-10-2003, 08:46

Originally posted by Tony

Ridiculous, and untrue. Who taught you this "fact"?

I am not a big conservative fan, but it was under their last reign that the present tight planning controls were introduced. The Town and Country Planning Act (1990) laid down tight guidelines and brought in a process of locally drafted planning guidance (in Sheffield it is called the Unitary Development Plan) that more often than not specifically excludes development in the "Green Belt" unless under very special and justified circumstances.
T

That may be, but I was taught this stuff before labour ever got in power. The Tories may have introduced a strict code of practice, but that still allowed them (admittedly mainly in and around London and boroughs) to sell green site land to investing companies for tertiary sector employment and housing. And it is true, as I have written essays on the erosion of green belt lands, and there are many ways of justifying the sale if you know your 'red tape', so to speak... p.s. I didn't intended to make a political statement!!

Tony

28-10-2003, 06:21

Originally posted by Agent Dan
That may be, but I was taught this stuff before labour ever got in power. The Tories may have introduced a strict code of practice, but that still allowed them (admittedly mainly in and around London and boroughs) to sell green site land to investing companies for tertiary sector employment and housing. And it is true, as I have written essays on the erosion of green belt lands, and there are many ways of justifying the sale if you know your 'red tape', so to speak... p.s. I didn't intended to make a political statement!!

It did rather come over as a political statement, and in return I wasn't trying to make one either - apologies if I got on my high horse (again!). There can be very good reasons for developing in the Green belt, but there are so few and far between reasons for 'greenbelt release' that it almost invariably ends up as brownfield development anyway - such as Folkwood School up at Ringinglow Rd. From reading your comment on London Borough's, I do wonder though if you are confusing 'greenbelt' with 'greenfield'?

Agent Dan

28-10-2003, 07:53

Possibly! There used to be a proper green belt around London though - they defined it in the 1930s/40s i think, after some disatrous attempts to build commuter towns (e.g. milton keynes, newtown etc)... and it was supposed to promote growth in London, rather than the constant sprawling expansion it had become. It kind of worked and was then 'hijacked' later on by environmental activists as a symbol of "over-civilization"... I have nothing to reference this to, however, just a dim memory of occassionally paying attention in class!!! :D

Tony

29-10-2003, 07:22

In that case I agree with you! There isn't much 'greenfield' land left in towns because of the huge demands for land and the 'greenbelt' restrictions, so its nearly always 'brownfield'. I think that your teacher might have been referring to selling off land like school playing fields, but even that is down to Local Authorities, not Central Government. For once, I think that the Tories are blameless, and maybe even stopped the rot. :thumbsup: