After Liverpools storming performance can they go all the way or Will AC Milan be too much for them?
Any1 Guess the score ?

This is one of those 'heart or head' moments.

The heart says a 2-1 victory to Liverpool.

The head says something else but I won't say what for fear of jinxing us!

Seriously though, I think Liverpool have a good chance, AC Milan look like they're tiring now (they didn't play well at all against PSV) and they are still challenging for Serie A...unlike Liverpool :cry:

Benitez said that he would rather finish 4th than win the Champions league. If I was a Liverpool fan I would be very annoyed about that.

If PSV can put 3 past Milan then Liverpool certainly can.

Originally posted by Lickszz
...If PSV can put 3 past Milan then Liverpool certainly can.

Mmmm, not sure I agree. I don't think Liverpool are half the attacking force PSV are.

Liverpool have gotten through the last 2 rounds by nicking a goal and then defending well.

Still, I hope 'pool win.

I'm not sure what makes you think that PSV are good attacking side.

It is PSV whom have only been winning 1-0 throughout the Champions league. Infact they qualified from the group 1 stages with 6 goals in 6 matches. I saw them play Arsenal earlier in the group stages and Arsenal were superior in every department. I believe they only got as far as they did because they drew Monaco and Lyon.

Originally posted by Lickszz
I'm not sure what makes you think that PSV are good attacking side.

I guess I'm only going off the last two games in which PSV were impressive against a previously hard to crack Milan. Conversely, IMO Liverpool were less than inspiring (in an attacking sense) in their last two CL games.

In hindsight, probably not enough evidence to suggest Liverpool don't have the strength up front to undo Milan.

We'll see what happens on 25th May.

As always I'll be rooting for the English team, despite the fact that if Liverpool win the Scousers at work will be impossible to bear as they re-live the late 70's/early 80's... again :help: !

It will be difficult but I just believe very possible that they can win. Having 30000+ Liverpool fans cheering you on is like having an extra man on the field.

In terms of being a good advert for the competion's status as the world's premier club competition it would surely be better that a side in contention for the Italian league should win than a team who could potentially finish as low as seventh in the English League.

I think it just shows that the league is the best measure there is of a team's quality, and Europe is only ever a bonus.
Would Liverpool have been able to beat Barcelona? Would Milan have been able to beat Chelsea? who knows, but it just goes to show that in a knockout competition the luck of the draw can play a big part.


Having said that though, it doesn't mean I wont be supporting Liverpool in the final

I think Wenger summed it up correctly the other day when he said the Champions League was a bit of a lottery. The smaller teams seem to be winning the competition more and more and Liverpool are nowhere near the best in the Premier league and are in fact closer to relegation then they are the Champions.

I can't see the big clubs tolerating this for much longer. I predict that we will see a change in the system in a few seasons that will either be some league system or some other method that will give be in favour of the giant clubs.

Originally posted by Yodameister
In terms of being a good advert for the competion's status as the world's premier club competition it would surely be better that a side in contention for the Italian league should win than a team who could potentially finish as low as seventh in the English League.

I think it just shows that the league is the best measure there is of a team's quality, and Europe is only ever a bonus....

Originally posted by Yodameister
I think Wenger summed it up correctly the other day when he said the Champions League was a bit of a lottery.....
....I can't see the big clubs tolerating this for much longer. I predict that we will see a change in the system in a few seasons that will either be some league system or some other method that will give be in favour of the giant clubs.

AFAIK the CL or Euro Cup has always been a knockout comp, and knockout comps always have a 'lottery' element. Nothing new or sinister about that.

Surely the early league stages of the CL should sift out the weaker teams from the so called giants.

If a weaker team like Liverpool can progress to the final having bettered 1 championship winning side and another potential championship winning side, (ie 2 giant killing acts) then good luck to 'em (although, yes, I'd rather have seen a Milan/Barca or Real/Chelsea or Man Utd/Juve etc final).

It'd be a shame if the comp turned into a pure league format.

As for Wenger. His side regularly fail to progress past the league stage, where their form is judged over 6 games, so I hope he wasn't complaining about it being a lottery.

Originally posted by Ginner
AFAIK the CL or Euro Cup has always been a knockout comp, and knockout comps always have a 'lottery' element. Nothing new or sinister about that.

Surely the early league stages of the CL should sift out the weaker teams from the so called giants.

If a weaker team like Liverpool can progress to the final having bettered 1 championship winning side and another potential championship winning side, (ie 2 giant killing acts) then good luck to 'em (although, yes, I'd rather have seen a Milan/Barca or Real/Chelsea or Man Utd/Juve etc final).

It'd be a shame if the comp turned into a pure league format.

As for Wenger. His side regularly fail to progress past the league stage, where their form is judged over 6 games, so I hope he wasn't complaining about it being a lottery.

The CL used to have a second phase group stage after the initial one which and after this was the knockout stage. This benefited the larger clubs because they were more consistent over more games and it almost guaranteed that the majority of top clubs would be in the final knockout stages.

Arsenal tend to under achieve in the CL but they do generally progress further than the group stages and it's usually at the knockout stages where they come unstuck. They missed a golden opportunity last year when they lost to Chelsea in the Quarter final as Monaco was next and I fancied them to beat them.

RE:Wenger
I saw his comments last week, he's just a plank and this as sour as grapes can get. I don't remember him complaining when Arsenal qualified as runners up, do you? And as for the comparison with Millwall, they didn't meet one Premiership team on their cup run, whereas we've knocked out the best teams in England and Italy, last year's finalists Monaco and two of the best teams in Spain and Germany.

I really hope we do it, I also really hope I manage to get hold of a ticket.....any rich forumers wish to fund the trip of a lifetime fo a poor crippled, dying, homeless, orphaned Liverpool fan...?

;) ;) ;)

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new user is liverpoll getting in champions league next year if they win ac milan

Well,

last season, the FA indicated that if any of the English participants won the competition and finished out of the top four, they would take the fourth placed teams position in the CL.
This season they changed that rule, I think they were worried about the fuss Everton may have caused if they were forced into the Uefa cup.
Uefa initially said that the matter of Liverpool's qualification (should they win the CL) was for the English FA to decide - I think in the hope that the FA would let Liverpool in.
Now that the FA has said we wont be taking Everton's place, Uefa are saying they will try their best to ensure the champions are able to defend their title.
The reason they are saying this is because the big sponsors of the CL are unhappy that the champions may not be bale to defend their title, and are putting immense pressure on Uefa to sort it out.

Personally, I think we will be entered if we win the comp. I also think Everon will be beaten in their qualifier, and make the FA look stupid in the process.

Hope the following facts are right..... :suspect:
Originally posted by Lickszz
The CL used to have a second phase group stage after the initial one...
Yup. From season 99/00 to 02/03 there were two group stages.
Originally posted by Lickszz
This benefited the larger clubs because they were more consistent over more games and it almost guaranteed that the majority of top clubs would be in the final knockout stages.
I'm not sure this resulted in the bigger teams making it through to the knock out stages though. For the seasons where there were two group stages 2, then 4, then 4, then 2 'smaller' teams made it thru to the last 8 QF knockout stage.
Ofcourse this depends on your definition of smaller teams, but take the years when (IMO) 4 smaller teams made it thru... they were:
2000/2001Galatasaray, Leeds, Deportivo and Valencia
2001/2002 - Deportivo, Panathinaikos, Liverpool and Leverkusen
(I know Liverpool may not class themselves as a 'smaller' team, but in terms of recent league/Euro form I think it's fair to say that.)
The bigger clubs don't have a right to get to the knockout stages, and if they can't manage it after playing 12 CL 'league' games then it suggest form is the issue.
Originally posted by Lickszz
Arsenal tend to under achieve in the CL but they do generally progress further than the group stages and it's usually at the knockout stages where they come unstuck....
Nope. They've failed 5 times out of 6 to qualify for the QF knockout stage. For 4 of those years there's been 2 group stages so in those years they had 12 'league' games to prove themselves worthy of the knockout stages.

I wonder if the number of games the top (or 'larger') teams play may be making an impact (similar to a theory I heard about why Greece won the Euro Cup)?

Originally posted by liencam
...Personally, I think we will be entered if we win the comp. I also think Everon will be beaten in their qualifier, and make the FA look stupid in the process.

Should Liverpool win the FA, IMO, has no choice to make.

Everton have deserved their place in next years CL on the basis of their form over the season. If they get knocked out in the qualifiers, so be it. But their entry cannot be in question.

UEFA have made a rod for their own back (as usual) by creating the crazy rule that the holders aren't given the right to defend the cup the following year.

That's as maybe, but last season, the FA would have bumped them down into the Uefa cup, under a rule they changed about two weeks ago.

Did you see the result last night? Couple that with your facts about Arsenal's record in the CL and realise just how bad Everton will be on the European stage.

:D :D :D

Bumping this to see latest views.

I'm flying out at midnight, getting verrry giddy!!

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Originally posted by liencam
Bumping this to see latest views.

I'm flying out at midnight, getting verrry giddy!!

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Good luck! I can't wait even though I'll just be in Sheffield watching. Been checking out the weather, and it's apprently going to be about 12 C. Perfect conditions! Just hope it's not too humid.

Originally posted by Andy78
Good luck! I can't wait even though I'll just be in Sheffield watching. Been checking out the weather, and it's apprently going to be about 12 C. Perfect conditions! Just hope it's not too humid.

So do I....

mucho beer + humid weather = sleepy me....!!!

;)

Originally posted by Lickszz
The smaller teams seem to be winning the competition more and more...

That probably wasn't what Berlusconi had in mind, when he was so keen to introduce the Champions League all those years ago ;)

Originally posted by Lickszz
I predict that we will see a change in the system in a few seasons that will either be some league system or some other method that will give be in favour of the giant clubs.

Yes, that sounds like Berlusconi :D

I suspect what Silvio really wants is a system that allows Milan easy access to the Champions League. Perhaps someone should tell him that his plan for world domination of football ended with the departure of his dutch trio.

I would prefer Liverpool to win, but I don't think they're strong enough to beat Milan.

Originally posted by Abdul
I would prefer Liverpool to win, but I don't think they're strong enough to beat Milan.

It's only eleven men against eleven men.

BELIEVE!!

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by liencam
It's only eleven men against eleven men.

BELIEVE!!

:thumbsup:


Ok, I'll admit that I haven't been watching as much footy as I used to, so I'm basing my results on the relative strengths of the teams from when I was younger.

Last time I checked, girly-boys Fowler, Redknapp and McManamanananamanaman played for the Pool.

Is Fabio Capello still in charge of Milan :D

No, it's Ancelotti now.

They're still very good, but they've never come up against the red men of Anfield.

:clap:

Anyway, that's me off to Istanbul, laters guys!

Originally posted by tommygswfc
After Liverpools storming performance can they go all the way or Will AC Milan be too much for them?
Any1 Guess the score ?

i can't stand liverpool or their fans but i suppose they are english (fans not players) so i'll say i hope they win..unless ofcourse they cause **** loads of bother and the game gets abandoned.

How did that get in the net? :mad:

Originally posted by kirky
unless ofcourse they cause **** loads of bother and the game gets abandoned.

:confused: :mad: They have a very good reputation :mad: :rant: Unlike some clubs around here :suspect:

I wonder what's on BBC2? :roll:

Anyones now at 3-3.. Go on lads :D

Do you think the pitch slopes? :D

What's with the plastic netball tops half the crowd seem to be wearing? :confused:

is that still on? whats the score now then?

3-3

2nd half extra time

:banana: I love Dudek! :clap:

Liverpool deserved that!!! (speaking as a neutral) :clap:

Wish I'd had a bet on them when they were 3-0 down!

I presume from all the shouting from the pub nearby that the match is over and Liverpool won??

Large sweet sherry for you then Ms Strix?;)

When you walk through a storm
hold your head up high
and don't be afraid of the dark
at the end of a storm
there's a golden sky
and the sweet silver song of the lark
walk on through wind
walk on through the rain
though your dreams be tossed and blown
walk on
walk on
with hope in your heart
and you'll never walk alone
you'll never walk alone!!

was this ever truer??

:banana: :clap: :partyhat: :clap: :banana:

Originally posted by msbehavin
I presume from all the shouting from the pub nearby that the match is over and Liverpool won??

Large sweet sherry for you then Ms Strix?;)

More Bacardi me thinks :thumbsup:

I hope the AC Milan fans don't riot - I have a lot of relatives over there just now :(

:banana: :D :banana:

Brilliant.

What a comeback.

Well done Liverpool.

Oh no,... now I gotta put up with the scousers at work going onandonandonandonandon...... :gag: :gag:

"The cup's back home, where it belongs blah blah..." :loopy:

Greatest game I have ever seen

And probably will ever see!

Well done liverpool!!!! :clap:

The cup's back home, where it belongs :banana:
The cup's back home, where it belongs :clap:
The cup's back home, where it belongs :partyhat:
The cup's back home, where it belongs :headbang:
The cup's back home, where it belongs :wave:
The cup's back home, where it belongs :hihi:

Well done Liverpool!!!

My brother, jammy as you like, put a £20 bet on at half time, and is now £600 better off!!!!

well done liverpool !!!:clap:

Absolutely inspirational, best comeback since El - Alamein.

Benitez must have conjured up the spirit of Bill Shankly for the half time team talk.

Gerrard and Carraghers performances were heroic - no other word to describe them.

We Stole the Cup,
We Stole the Cup,
Ee Aye Adio,
We Stole the Cup

Truly the spirits of Bill, Bob and Joe smiled on us tonight.

Originally posted by Longcol
Gerrard and Carraghers performances were heroic - no other word to describe them.

You forgot Dudek :(

Ded right though :thumbsup:

:banana: :clap:

Dudek managed a performance that combined Gary Sprake (careless hands), Bruce Grobelaar (wobbly legs in penalty shootout) and Jim Montgomery (that save from Lorimer in 1973 cup final).

They should carve his name in stone on the Kop.

Brilliant win for Liverpool, I am pleased for them because they deserved it with a comeback like that.

The counter attacking goal from Milan was first class. As for Dudek, I think what he did should be classed as unfair play. Waving arms about and deliberately trying to put players off by running up and down the line. I noticed he was also a long way off his line for the penalty that he saved. That should have been retaken IMO.

To quote my father (who left at half time fearing a humiliation);

"They should have retaken that penalty...but f@~* 'em, we've won the f@%*ing European Cup"

Never a truer statement made.

Originally posted by Lickszz
As for Dudek, I think what he did should be classed as unfair play. Waving arms about and deliberately trying to put players off by running up and down the line. I noticed he was also a long way off his line for the penalty that he saved. That should have been retaken IMO.
Well that's just even stevens for the 'save' made at the other end by one of their players on the edge of the area :P

Walk On! Walk On!



I can't deal with this. It's too much. As I've said this is about am million times better than the world cup.

Arrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Originally posted by Andy78
Walk On! Walk On!



I can't deal with this. It's too much. As I've said this is about am million times better than the world cup.

Arrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
I wondered when you'd get home!

Couldn't get to the Lescar...... PM on the way

What a match!!

As a Man Utd fan it did kill me watching it and I did think liverpool were dead and buried by halftime.. but bloody hell, what a comeback, especially against a team that played us off the pitch twice.

So pat on the back to all at liverpool.
Well done lads!

Originally posted by Lickszz
Brilliant win for Liverpool, I am pleased for them because they deserved it with a comeback like that.

The counter attacking goal from Milan was first class. As for Dudek, I think what he did should be classed as unfair play. Waving arms about and deliberately trying to put players off by running up and down the line. I noticed he was also a long way off his line for the penalty that he saved. That should have been retaken IMO.


agreed, absolutely excelent win for liverpool, and i retract my words saying they would be humiliated in the final. they did england proud.

as for dudek, the penalty he saved, yes he was off the line..... but as for his trying to put off, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it at all, now if he had done what barthez did a few years ago, where he was just stood at post knocking the mud off his boots, then yes there is something wrong there......

incidentaly, when barthez did that, i think the goal where izzet just rolled it in should have counted.....

congrats liverpool, i must admit, i didnt have faith with them as i am a manu supporter, but oh my god, the incredibles they are! all of them delivered a stunning.. YAY!!!

Fantastic game - best match Ive seen for ages!!! What a comeback.

Being sat in front of a load of scousers in the Broady helped with the atmos - place went mental after the shootout.

How gutted must Milan be. (Not that I've got any sympathy, diving gets)

It was great TV, although I must admit I had to turn off ITV (I couldn't face another half-hour of Clive Tyldesley) and put Sky on instead (Andy Gray, much better).

I wondered why in the first half Gerrard was sitting so deep. He moved up in the second half and it was a different story. But I doubt very much he'll be at Liverpool come August (or at Chelsea for that matter. Maybe he'll replace Beckham at Real Madrid?).

Top football and I always like to see Liverpool do well in Europe. And Dudek resembled Sheish's avatar, don't you think?

I have seen loads of euro matches over the last 30 odd yrs but this will go down as a classic.Liverpool were dead & buried at half time,I felt sorry for the supporters the defence was a complete shambles & Dudek was a joke after clawing back to 3-3 he nearly blew it & the save at the end reminded me of Jim Montgomerys save during the Leeds Sunderland cup final although the 2nd save hit his hand & the penalty shoot out was grob mark 2.Gerrard is the best midfielder in europe & has to be worth 40 to 50m.Well done Liverpool you did our country proud.UP THE BLADES

What a game! I never thought it was over!

What a game!

I'm quite gutted that I didn't think to record the game. It's one that I'll look back on in 40 years time and want to watch again.

Still hasn't sunk in yet. I'm taking the afternoon off work so that I can go home and think about it some more.

Originally posted by Ousetunes
It was great TV, although I must admit I had to turn off ITV (I couldn't face another half-hour of Clive Tyldesley)

Agreed! Next time, I'll watch with the volume muted.

Or perhaps go and watch the final in the stadium instead.

Originally posted by 21steve
What a game! I never thought it was over!

What a game!

I thought it was over at 3-0.

What a game!

OMG!! Just had a call form my cousin - he says he's lucky to be home. Empty planes took off leaving Liverpool fans stranded - one of them being a local Merseyside DJ.........

Off to look for a link..

Done: Hyperlink won't work, so paste this into the address bar (without beginning and end underscores :thumbsup: )
_http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=15561234%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=flights%2dchaos%2dstrands%2dfans-name_page.html_

Bad link Strixy ;)

Get with it...

Nothing on BBC website - Hallam FM know nothing about it.

I'll see if I can fix that link ;)

Grrr.... Won't work :mad:

http://www.icliverpool.co.uk
You'll have to find your own way from there
:(

I've got pictures on Sky sports news and commetry online from BBC Radio Merseyside :D

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
as for dudek, the penalty he saved, yes he was off the line..... but as for his trying to put off, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it at all,

I realise that is wasn't against the rules but it was still gamesmanship and it's not something that I could personally live with knowing that I had to resort to doing that to win. Obviously the coming off the line business is an infringement on the rules which it down to the referee.

Incidentally I thought Dudek was part fault for Milan's first two goals but I guess he made up for that.

It's all irrelevant now though :banana:

My cousin says some people left at half time :hihi: :loopy:

I wonder how they'll explain that to their friends :D

Anyone watching the parade on tv...that woman keeps going on aboiut "Liverpool United"....sheeesh.

Not listening to tv. I've got radio merseyside broadcasting online :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/england/radiomerseyside/ and click 'Listen live' :thumbsup:

Watching the footage on BBC and sky. It's all a bit mental. Some of the aerial shots over st.georges hall/the museum/walker art gallery look awesome. What a backdrop for the celebration.

Originally posted by Strix
....My cousin says some people left at half time :hihi: :loopy:

I wonder how they'll explain that to their friends :D

If that's true then shame on them. There's probably loads of fans that would've given their right arm to have seen their team in the CL final, getting hammered or not.

It's the CL final for God's sake!!! Not the 3rd round of the FA cup. You might not get the chance to see your team in it again.

Everyone keeps banging on about Rafa being a tactical genius for the Didi Hamann change he made at half time. Anyone think that maybe starting with that line up would've been the most prudent choice (and then there would've been no need for a dramatic/sensational/historic 3-0 down comeback !!).

Got to admit switching Gerrard out wide to cover their substitute winger was a class move.

Jeez, Gerrard can play almost anywhere. He's a world class rightback as well as defensive/attacking/playmaking midfielder.

Anyone else think Jimmy Treore (sp? - Liverpool left back) is complete sh**e? Everytime I've seen him play (granted only a handful of times this season) he's looked like a complete liability.

Originally posted by Andy78
Watching the footage on BBC and sky. It's all a bit mental. Some of the aerial shots over st.georges hall/the museum/walker art gallery look awesome. What a backdrop for the celebration.
How are you watching both? :suspect:

you can watch bbc live on the internet

Originally posted by Strix
How are you watching both? :suspect:

Channel flicking:)

Originally posted by Ginner
If that's true then shame on them. There's probably loads of fans that would've given their right arm to have seen their team in the CL final, getting hammered or not.

It's the CL final for God's sake!!! Not the 3rd round of the FA cup. You might not get the chance to see your team in it again.



That is correct. Real fans don't leave early no matter how far they are behind. They support their team until the end. Just the same as true fans don't turn up 20 minutes late for the game.

BBC watch and listen: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/4581645.stm#

Just watching AC Milan homecoming :|

I've just seen that. Bit of a quiet one, wasn't it?

A little :D

It wouldn't have happened like that if it were the other way round.

Fair weather fans :mad:

I wonder if Michael now regrets leaving Liverpool?

I wondered that as the third goal went in last night :D

Man WHAT A NIGHT!!!!

I've been on a non stop party since the match, and have had no time to be on the forum.

I am far from being a Liverpool fan, in fact they are probably one of my least favourite English teams, but I was so mad for it. All their players played to the best of their abilities and really fought for every ball.

Okay man for man Milan were the more skillful side but they didn't make the most of their chances and they didn't kill off the game when they could have done.

I am a total convert to Rafael Benitez and several of the (what I thought were ) the more average players like Smicer, Hamann and Luis Garcia. No longer will I hope crappy temas like Spurs and Norwich manage to take points off them at Anfield, they are a proper top class team and I hope the glory days return!!!

And can I just repeat I am not aLiverpool fan and previously I seriously disliked their negative outlook and approach. I wrote them off at the last 16 stage and I was so wrong, I will never again pretend I know much about football!!!

WHAT A MATCH!!!!

It was quite a night. I can't remember anything quite like it in my lifetime. There were even Man U and Everton fans singing you'll never walk alone by the end. Excellent stuff!

Originally posted by Lickszz
I realise that is wasn't against the rules but it was still gamesmanship and it's not something that I could personally live with knowing that I had to resort to doing that to win. Obviously the coming off the line business is an infringement on the rules which it down to the referee.

Incidentally I thought Dudek was part fault for Milan's first two goals but I guess he made up for that.

Your missing the point, badly.

Penalties are psychological test, not an ability test.

Jerzy is allowed to do what he wants on the goal line - as is any other keeper.

But it matters not.

The cup is back home. FOR GOOD.

VIVA LA RAFALOUTION

Welcome Home Liencam :clap:

Originally posted by Ginner
Everyone keeps banging on about Rafa being a tactical genius for the Didi Hamann change he made at half time. Anyone think that maybe starting with that line up would've been the most prudent choice (and then there would've been no need for a dramatic/sensational/historic 3-0 down comeback !!).

I actually think Hamman would have only lasted in the region of 70 minutes with the tempo of the game being as it was.

Meaning a frantic last 20 minutes for us.

Originally posted by Andy78
Welcome Home Liencam :clap:

Cheers Andy - 65 hours without sleep.

I'd do it again tomorrow.

Originally posted by liencam
Cheers Andy - 65 hours without sleep.

I'd do it again tomorrow.
You're going to Cardiff then? :suspect: :hihi:

Nooo, but I shall be watching on the telly - UP THE OWLS!

:clap:

I've just notcied someone has just voted for Liverpool to win the CL on the above poll......:loopy: :suspect:

Originally posted by liencam
I've just notcied someone has just voted for Liverpool to win the CL on the above poll......:loopy: :suspect:

Yeah, I've noticed that the poll has changed quite a few times since the match finished. Quite funny really!

:rolleyes: guilty :blush:

How else can you get to see the poll though? :confused:

And just for the record - I was the 16th 'Liverpool' voter :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Strix
How else can you get to see the poll though? :confused:

If you view the thread WITHOUT logging in, you can see just the results.

Originally posted by Strix
:rolleyes: guilty :blush:

How else can you get to see the poll though? :confused:

And just for the record - I was the 16th 'Liverpool' voter :thumbsup:

I'll let you off, espec after seeing you in that dress!

:heyhey:

Originally posted by liencam
Your missing the point, badly.

Penalties are psychological test, not an ability test.

Jerzy is allowed to do what he wants on the goal line - as is any other keeper.

But it matters not.

The cup is back home. FOR GOOD.

VIVA LA RAFALOUTION

Of course they are an ability test and skill test, the keeper attempts to save the spot kick by staying on his line.

I wouldn't expect you to understand but maybe if Milan's keeper had done the same resulting in a Liverpool missing, I suspect you would be singing a different tune.

If you read my post you will clearly see that I am fully aware that it is not against the rules to move up and down the line and gesture, but it still is classed as gamesmanship if you are deliberately trying to put an opposition player off.

It's equivalent to 2 players needing a final black in snooker and while 1 is attempting a pot the other is in his line of vision pulling faces or giving him the bird.

Anyhow, that is not an issue for me it's just I personally wouldn't like to win knowing that I had resorted to doing that. If others can live with it, so be it.

The rule infringement is another story though. Dudek was off his line at least 3 yards on 2 of the penalties, luckily enough, one still went in but that was diabolical refereeing to which the referee has no defence whatsoever as he was in prime position.

Originally posted by liencam
I'll let you off, espec after seeing you in that dress!

:heyhey:

not in the least 'off topic' :suspect:

I notice this dress keeps leaking into other threads :P
I just hope it's not me who gets the knuckle rapping for it :(

:banana: My family seem to have got home ok. We'll be missing a party this weekend though - we have visitors coming, so we can't go over there :(

Originally posted by Strix
:banana: My family seem to have got home ok. We'll be missing a party this weekend though - we have visitors coming, so we can't go over there :(

Balls to that - get yourself over to the Capital of Culture and Football. Your visitors will keep, I'm sure! :D

Originally posted by liencam
Balls to that - get yourself over to the Capital of Culture and Football. Your visitors will keep, I'm sure! :D
That's where they're travelling over from :D (Evertonian though :| )

Originally posted by Strix
That's where they're travelling over from :D (Evertonian though :| )

That's perfect though! There's a reason we call them Bitter Blues, they are only happy when they have something to whinge about - it's their natural state!

They'll thank you for it, I promise!

<Tell em I said that!!>

Good match - my son was gutted at half time wanting our lot to win of course but he soon ran back downstairs grinning from ear to ear when the lads started scoring.

This was a news item on Sky just in case anyone missed it.

http://www.bettingchoice.co.uk/spooky.php

Sign the petition here for Liverpool to defend the title:
http://www.fairplaytoliverpool.co.uk

Originally posted by Strix
Sign the petition here for Liverpool to defend the title:
http://www.fairplaytoliverpool.co.uk

Come on, catch up Strix. I signed that 3 hours ago. Probably should have posted it here though. :)

Well it's only just been texted to me - and somepeople didn't share their info :P

Originally posted by Strix
Well it's only just been texted to me - and somepeople didn't share their info :P

I'm sorry it wont happen again. :rolleyes:

Got any more secrets ;)

Originally posted by Strix
Got any more secrets ;)

Yeah, I forgot to tell everyone that Liverpool won a really big cup last week. Did you hear about that?

Wow, imagine filling that cup with tea.

Truly, thine cup doth runneth over :D

not sure how to Quote yet but in reply to Lickszz point about dudek moving.

ok he was off his line for the second save & it should have been retook but if a penalty taker can "stumble" his run up to make the keeper dive early then surely a keeper can dance about like a fool!!!

Originally posted by Strix
Sign the petition here for Liverpool to defend the title:
http://www.fairplaytoliverpool.co.uk

The rule shouldn't just be an exception for Liverpool. It should be amended that the winners automatically gets entered in the current format.

However, I would ideally prefer a system where just the champions are involved in a league system, which would unfortunately rule Liverpool out by a long margin.

Originally posted by Gingerbarf
not sure how to Quote yet but in reply to Lickszz point about dudek moving.

ok he was off his line for the second save & it should have been retook but if a penalty taker can "stumble" his run up to make the keeper dive early then surely a keeper can dance about like a fool!!!

A fair point. I'm not in favour of any gamesmanship in such circumstances. I'd like to see the rules rivert back to the keepr having one foot on the floor and unable to move until the ball is struck.

that's the problem with all the rule changes in footie lately how many times in the last 5 yrs has the extra time golden, silver goal malarkey been meddled with..
the offside rule, you must see daylight, if he's not interfiering with play rubbish, only last tuesday with england V Columbia how many times was a dodgy decision made, on both sides!!

it needs sorting and before the world cup

But Ian Wright made a good point "how come we get our luck in friendly matches & not when it count's in a tournament"..

but such is life!!

A 'must see' thread (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&postid=448818#post448818) :hihi:

Dunno if this has been mentioned before, but, how much must Michael Owen be kicking himself?

Ships off to joint the "Galacticos" and lo and behold the deadbeats he left behind only go and win the Champions League. I reckon he goes to sleep every night cursing himself!

Originally posted by Yodameister
Dunno if this has been mentioned before, but, how much must Michael Owen be kicking himself?

Ships off to joint the "Galacticos" and lo and behold the deadbeats he left behind only go and win the Champions League. I reckon he goes to sleep every night cursing himself!


Well, when he left I said that I hoped his legs fell off.

I think us winning the big cup is enough penance though.

Still, when he moves to Man U, I shall revert to the above. ;)

Originally posted by liencam
Still, when he moves to Man U, I shall revert to the above. ;)
:hihi: You may get the last laugh again - if they're asset stripped ;)

I've heard the rumour of Owen going to MU as well.. cos Real Madrid want Ruud in return.

I would not let Ruud go still!!! The guy is a true poacher.
I like Michael Owen but I would not let Ruud go for anything.

And Mr Glazer's opinion is..... ? :hihi:

Originally posted by ANGELUS
I've heard the rumour of Owen going to MU as well.. cos Real Madrid want Ruud in return.

I would not let Ruud go still!!! The guy is a true poacher.
I like Michael Owen but I would not let Ruud go for anything.

ruud happen to be a better striker than owen. but he is out of form at the moment.

Man glazer jusr ruined everything. increase man u's tickets and merchendise products by big percentages. and limited the club to only 25m pounds. I think man u are down the hill