So another web browser looks set to enter the market.
Google's chrome, which will be available for download sometime today.
It seems to offer some useful features like sandboxing each tab, meaning one crashed window won't crash the whole browser which happens every now and again.
It's open source so will have an add on system similar to Firefox, which may be a good feature for some, but bad for others.
It will take a lot for me to switch from Opera, but I'll definitely be giving Google's Chrome a spin.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7593106.stm

Oooh Google's empire expands further!

Worth a look I think :thumbsup:

Does it mean that they can now record every site you visit? I'm finding the power of Google a little worrying at the moment. If you still have the attention span there's a great article here -

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200807/google

It seems to offer some useful features like sandboxing each tab, meaning one crashed window won't crash the whole browser which happens every now and again.


That sounds good. It also says if a piece of Javascript (or similar) hangs it won't take down the whole browser. That is one of the things I don't like about Firefox you get quite a few crashes for things like that.

I think I will probably give it a try, not sure I would switch to it full time until there are some of the Firefox addons replicated for it. There are some, like mouse gestures, that I use all the time.

Does it mean that they can now record every site you visit? I'm finding the power of Google a little worrying at the moment. If you still have the attention span there's a great article here -

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200807/google

that would be illegal - unless you agree to it

that would be illegal - unless you agree to it
Google Toolbar already does this, as long as they put it in the small print then they're covered. I'll be reading the Privacy Statement and User agreement very carefully before installing this. I might give it a go after seeing what other people think of it.

Having said that, it's unlikely they'll do it with Chrome because being Open Source people would just take it out straight away.

Isn't it based on WebKit?

Isn't it based on WebKit?

Yes. ..... Google have produced a cartoon ebook thing to help explain why their browser is different to others, that doc includes acknowledgment of webkit (and others) that they used.

Meh, Internet Explorer FTW!

Yes. ..... Google have produced a cartoon ebook thing to help explain why their browser is different to others, that doc includes acknowledgment of webkit (and others) that they used.

Here is that cartoon e-book:

http://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/#

Google Toolbar already does this, as long as they put it in the small print then they're covered. I'll be reading the Privacy Statement and User agreement very carefully before installing this. I might give it a go after seeing what other people think of it.

Yes it does, upon first install you have to either agree or decline to participate in the pagerank system. If you say yes, you're whole internet experience is logged on one of their datacenters. This is also how they spider some webpages that have no incoming links, and the owners often wonder how come google found a page they never made public!

So another web browser looks set to enter the market.
Google's chrome, which will be available for download sometime today.19:00 UK time I believe (press conference is 11:00 PDT)

Here is that cartoon e-book:

http://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/#

Thats's a long cartoon *phew*

Ah, that explains why the link I found reverts to standard google search page, I am an hour early:blush:

Thats's a long cartoon *phew*

Must admit, I skipped a few pages..... but you get the drift!

This is also how they spider some webpages that have no incoming links, and the owners often wonder how come google found a page they never made public!
Yeah, like the O2 MMS fiasco where people's private photos ended up on Google.

19:00 UK time I believe (press conference is 11:00 PDT)

I think it might be 20:00 UK time.

Meh, Internet Explorer FTW!

I thought you were into Firefox, Rich?

I thought you were into Firefox, Rich?

You know what thought did? Followed a milk cart and thought it was a wedding! :P

I tried Firefox for a bit yeah, it's not bad but it's VERY overrated IMO, I prefer IE.

Okay folks the download is finally here!:

http://www.google.com/chrome/?utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-blog-ogb&utm_medium=blog&brand=CHMP

I'm using it now.

Can I have that instead of Firefox in an hours time ?:huh:

I'm using it now.

What is it like ?

Downloaded and installed and I will shortly be removing Google Chrome from my PC - it's not for me I'm afraid. :)

it's only a beta so it won't be my main browser yet, but it seems ok. has a nice 'friendly' feel. would be perfect on a netbook...

What is it like ?

It's okay, not really used it enough to give a proper review of it, although after all the hype I was expecting something a bit more special.
Aside from the sandboxed tab benefit, it doesn't appear to have as many features as the standard Opera installation, and doesn't seem to offer any better performance.
I'm willing to keep trialing it for a little while longer, but at the moment I don't think I'll be switching from Opera anytime soon.

Its a bit basic, usable, fast, going to keep it as (yet another) back up browser.

So far, I'm finding it downloads and renders even faster than Opera, and gives access to sites that can't handle Opera. Takes a bit of getting used to, though, and definitely needs more configurable settings (a definite plus for Opera) - anyone know how to access them yet...?

EDIT: it's rather slow connecting to gmail :rolleyes:
And its spelling checker doesn't recognize "Google's" :D

What does "sandboxed" mean?

So far, I'm finding it downloads and renders even faster than Opera, and gives access to sites that can't handle Opera. Takes a bit of getting used to, though, and definitely needs more configurable settings (a definite plus for Opera) - anyone know how to access them yet...?



Yes that is one thing I would say about Chrome, it does seem to be pretty fast, but like you say, there seem to be limited configuration settings, and no customisable skins colours,tool bar or buttons to play with like there are in Opera.

Opera Speed dial is better than Chrome's "most visited pages" feature, as you can select your favourite websites with Opera, you can't with Chrome.

I'm not a great fan of the "Add On" system so as far as "out of the box" features Chrome scores well below Opera, as I said earlier, I was expecting a whole lot more after all the hype.

What does "sandboxed" mean?



usually it means a development area or operating system that is isolated from the main OS. It can be erased and re-imaged, so you can run dodgy or experimental code without compromising the integrity of the whole OS.

Looks neat. Its quick. I like the inspect element feature, Right Mouse Click on the web page and select Inspect element. You get a resources chart showing how long it takes to load the elements, reload your page to show the info. Possibly not that useful, but it looks nice.

On the blue bar at the top, Right Mouse Click finds the Task Manager, the Stats for Nerds link is interesting.

As someone who writes a lot of web pages, its got a load developer toys that makes it very useful. I like it.

K.

I'll continue to try it out for a few days but I can't see myself ditching Opera, I'm too used to having mouse gestures and such.

Yes that is one thing I would say about Chrome, it does seem to be pretty fast, but like you say there seem to be limited configuration settings and no customisable skins colours,tool bar or buttons to play with like there are in Opera.

Opera Speed dial is better than Chrome's most visited pages feature, as you can select your favourite websites with Opera, you can't with Chrome.

I'm not a great fan of the "Add On" system so as far as out of the box features Chrome scores well below Opera, as I said earlier I was expecting a whole lot more after all the hype.

It's early days, yet, and it is beta, isn't it?

We've agreed to differ about Speed Dial before, I think :), but I'm far from impressed with Chrome's version of it. And there's no ability to have different users/profiles? I'm using a shared PC... I don't want to have my and others' Most Visited pages on display every time...

It's early days, yet, and it is beta, isn't it?

We've agreed to differ about Speed Dial before, I think :), but I'm far from impressed with Chrome's version of it.

True it is beta, but usually the non beta version is when they iron out the bugs discovered during the beta phase, rather than introduce a host of new features.

I love Opera's Speed Dial, I use it all the time, it's brilliant:) and you can hide Opera's speed dial by simply clicking the button at the bottom, you can't do that with Chrome's version as far as I can tell.

I love Opera Speed Dial, I use it all the time, it's brilliant:) and you can hide Opera's speed dial by simple clicking the button at the bottom, you can't do that with Chrome's version as far as I can tell.
That's exactly what I mean. I can turn it off only to the extent that when I start Chrome, I can display a blank page rather than the Most Visited page. But open a new tab, and Most Visited is back... I've tried deleting today's history, opening a page incognito, but still get a fully-populated Most Visited page... It's still beta time... I hope! :rolleyes:

It's okay, not really used it enough to give a proper review of it, although after all the hype I was expecting something a bit more special.
Aside from the sandboxed tab benefit, it doesn't appear to have as many features as the standard Opera installation, and doesn't seem to offer any better performance.
I'm willing to keep trialing it for a little while longer, but at the moment I don't think I'll be switching from Opera anytime soon.

Kingmaker has been recommending Opera as long as I can remember. What is Speed Dialling ?

Had a quick play earlier and was impressed, looks good for a beta that's not hit 1.0 yet. Also it's open source so there's plenty of scope for extra features in different releases etc. The architecture of it has been thought about long and hard, running each tab as a process and sandboxing by default is a very good idea.

Should be interesting to see it develop, hopefully a Linux version won't be too far behind.

What is Speed Dialling ?

Opera Speed Dial (http://cybernetnews.com/2007/03/02/opera-reveals-new-speed-dial-featurei-like-it/)

Kingmaker has been recommending Opera as long as I can remember. What is Speed Dialling ?

"Speed Dial gives you quick access to your favorite Web sites. Every time a new tab is opened, you are presented with a 3x3 grid of thumbnails, each representing a Web address. To open a page, click on the corresponding thumbnail, or use the keyboard shortcuts Ctrl + [1-9].

To save a Web address as a speed dial entry, open a new tab and click on one of the nine squares. A dialogue box presents a multitude of options, including frequently visited pages and open pages: you may select a Web page from the list or type in a new address. It is also possible to drag and drop from bookmarks, panels, or any other location where Web addresses are displayed.

To delete a speed dial entry, click on the cross on the upper right corner of the thumbnail. To rearrange, drag and drop the thumbnails from one space to another. If you drop a thumbnail from one space onto an already occupied space, the entries will be exchanged. If you drop an address from outside speed dial onto an already occupied space, the old entry will be overwritten"

In other words, you can click on an image of your favorite (sic) web sites rather than pick it from your bookmarks list or just click it from your personal bar...

In my words, a waste of time. Kingmaker may have a different opinion :D

"Speed Dial gives you quick access to your favorite Web sites. Every time a new tab is opened, you are presented with a 3x3 grid of thumbnails, each representing a Web address. To open a page, click on the corresponding thumbnail, or use the keyboard shortcuts Ctrl + [1-9].

To save a Web address as a speed dial entry, open a new tab and click on one of the nine squares. A dialogue box presents a multitude of options, including frequently visited pages and open pages: you may select a Web page from the list or type in a new address. It is also possible to drag and drop from bookmarks, panels, or any other location where Web addresses are displayed.

To delete a speed dial entry, click on the cross on the upper right corner of the thumbnail. To rearrange, drag and drop the thumbnails from one space to another. If you drop a thumbnail from one space onto an already occupied space, the entries will be exchanged. If you drop an address from outside speed dial onto an already occupied space, the old entry will be overwritten"

In other words, you can click on an image of your favorite (sic) web sites rather than pick it from your bookmarks list or just click it from your personal bar...

In my words, a waste of time. Kingmaker may have a different opinion :D

Thanks !!! I have Bookmarked this page.:thumbsup:

In my words, a waste of time. Kingmaker may have a different opinion :D

I think I may!:D

.............but let's not start that debate again!:thumbsup:

I'm really enjoying chrome, it has a very simple, friendly interface that just doesn't get in the way as much as IE. I agree that Firefox is incredibly overrated, can't stand it. Haven't tried Opera.

Think I'll be sticking with Chrome though, it kind of feels like my screen is bigger when I use this, I like the way they've tried to make everything concentrate on the actual webpage you're viewing instead of their toolbars.

I asked because Firefox keeps putting me notices up to download their latest one. I may wait to see what chrome is like.

Downloaded this and I like it so far. It looks really neat and seems to be really fast. Going to start using this as my default browser and see how we go. Thumbs up so far though :thumbsup:

Just uninstalled Chrome and now using my default browser, K-Meleon. :thumbsup:

just giving it a try
just as a moan why does google say its only a small download but the minute you run the installer it starts downloading again
its like saying ill sell you something for a quid but if you use it i want a fiver

Just uninstalled Chrome and now using my default browser, K-Meleon. :thumbsup:
I used to love K-Meleon - Fast! - eventually got unresolvable strangeness with it on one machine, went over to Firefox yet again, worked fine on the XP machine, no back button appeared on the other (Win 2K) plus bits of other oddness....

I now have Seamonkey installed trouble free on both 'puters - it's fast - and I'm happy again :D
Seamonkey - Internet browser, email & newsgroup client, HTML editor, IRC chat and web development tools (http://www.seamonkey-project.org/)
EDIT: - You didn't say why you didn't like Chrome :confused:

I quite like it, Although the lack of java support at present isn't good.. :(

Just re-installed Java SE, and its working within Chrome now, although having to do that is rather annoying.. but I like chrome, set as default browser (for now)

I'm really enjoying chrome, it has a very simple, friendly interface that just doesn't get in the way as much as IE. I agree that Firefox is incredibly overrated, can't stand it. Haven't tried Opera. Chrome is simple as it does so very, very little, so no buttons needed for all the features it doesn't have!
FF is certaibly overated and it nicks its ideas from Opera about 4 years later and usually not very well at that.
Opera being so far ahead of all other browsers is a bit baffling in two respects, why do people keep using the other awful browsers and why don't the other crappy browsers copy how good Opera currently is. Even on the very basic functions it's so much better, easier and therefore faster in use. Though when it comes to speed of loading pages Chrome is stunningly fast. Miles faster than Firefox which I'm using at moment to test pages. God FF is so clunky to use! :(
The 'inspect element' tool in Chrome is also nice but would work much better on a dual screen monitor. I'm on laptop and it fills most of screen. Though it is at least resizable.

Think I'll be sticking with Chrome though, it kind of feels like my screen is bigger when I use this, I like the way they've tried to make everything concentrate on the actual webpage you're viewing instead of their toolbars.Ironic as the Google toolbar is one of the main toolbar clutter culprits on many people's browsers.
F11 on most [all] browsers gets rid of most the toolbar clutter [on PC, but not Mac as OS has that shortcut]. In Opera, F11 gets rid of all toolbars giving you a genuine full screen view. But even so, you can still easily navigate back and forwards using Z+X and move between tabs using 1+2. Loads of other useful shortcuts, not to mention that Opera has used mouse gestures for years now, so you can go back and fore through pages for instance simply by waving mouse.
http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/mouse/

Though one of the biggest impediments I have when browsing is one of the idiot cats loves to lie on my desk/keyboard/laptop and writhe around on his back delighting in the heat of the laptop, randomly editing my posts and resizing text and windows as he does so whilst making cooing noises like a demeted pidgeon. :loopy:

I thought there'd be no chance I'd use it when I heard the announcement, but I think I'm going to be switching to using it as my main browser. It feels lightning quick compared to IE and Firefox, has a very clean readable, clear interface and it seems to be much more focused on the page you're on, than itself.

Think I'll be sticking with Chrome though, it kind of feels like my screen is bigger when I use this, I like the way they've tried to make everything concentrate on the actual webpage you're viewing instead of their toolbars.

it seems to be much more focused on the page you're on, than itself.


In Opera, F11 gets rid of all toolbars giving you a genuine full screen view.

It's true the Chrome browser does give you more webpage and less tool bar space than other browsers in default viewing mode..........

however jezzyjj is indeed correct, Opera is the only main stream browser that I know of that can give you 100% webpage and nothing else.

Just hit your keyboards F11 key, or alternatively if you think your F11 key is too far out of reach ,then simply right click and select "Full Screen".

When in full screen mode simple use your cursor arrow keys to scroll up or down the page.
To exit full screen simply hit the F11 key or right click and select "Full Screen"

So If it's more focus on the webpage you want then Opera beats Chrome in that regard.

EDIT: - You didn't say why you didn't like Chrome :confused:

First impressions of Chrome is fast, slick, and a nice clean interface. The most impressive feature of Chrome is the placing of the tabs above the address bar.

The most annoying feature is for the first time I was using a browser plagued by advertisements and pop-ups and an annoying spell checker turned on by default.

My default browser will remain K-Meleon and Opera as my second browser. :)
I will wait until it's out of alpha beta before trying Chrome again. However, I feel that will many years given how long Google leaves programs in beta. :)

Yes, forgot to mention that, urgggh Adverts, can't use it until I can dump the distracting horrible flashing adverts.

Have just done a visual check against Firefox for screen area - Chrome only gains around half an inch of extra screen space with the new layout, not much at all (17" crt).

Ugh, totally failed to render my ajax driven app (which works in IE 6,7,8 beta, Opera and FF).
You can see there's a lot taken from other browsers (password manager is straight out of FF3, URL highlighting from IE8).
I rely too much on my FF extensions for it to be of any use to me right now but if it takes off perhaps it will be worthwhile.

One big problem is that it doesn't work on machines with Symantec Endpoint Protection installed (unless you disable the sandboxing). Loving the speed though. Haven't noticed any distracting adverts (maybe I'm just de-sensitised to them though), but they have to make their money somewhere I guess.

One big problem is that it doesn't work on machines with Symantec Endpoint Protection installed (unless you disable the sandboxing). Loving the speed though. Haven't noticed any distracting adverts (maybe I'm just de-sensitised to them though), but they have to make their money somewhere I guess.

No, its the adverts on the web pages themselves (e.g. banner top right on this page) with Firefox you can block them all (ad block plus).

Anybody else tried it yet? Seems quite good so far...


http://www.google.com/chrome

I've not tried it as yet, but I already use 4 browsers on this lappie .... :loopy: ..... IE7, Firefox, Opera and Safari. :)

(I must like the Icons :huh:)

The first two I use for general purpose browsing, with Opera Speed Dial set up for my "fave" newspapers and Radio Times online.

Safari is the quickest though and I have set up all my favourite Blogger sites on it.

I doubt the 4Mz Amstrad I used to have 20/25 years ago could have handled it all. :)

(I don't think my brain can handle it all now, too!) :hihi:

Threads merged

Hmm, I've been running the betas of both Chrome and IE8 this morning and it looks like they will both be coming off. IE8 add ons are particulaly buggy for me at the moment.

I might need to have a week with Safari to rest my eyes.

F11 on most [all] browsers gets rid of most the toolbar clutter [on PC, but not Mac as OS has that shortcut]. In Opera, F11 gets rid of all toolbars giving you a genuine full screen view.

IE7 and FF3 definitely give you complete full screen with F11 on WinXP.

For anyone who is using it. Try editing the search engines by right clicking the URL bar. You can set it up to search any site you like using keywords. E.g AM "DVD Title" can be set to search amazon for "DVD Title" .

I have set-up Google i'm feeling lucky search so that typing lk shef forum for example takes you straight here. I am probably the only person who would find that useful but I have never managed to get it working as I like in Firefox.

I've been using it for ten minutes, and even tried the Acid2 test (which is passes beautifully). I'm not inclined to use it all the time, as FF and web dev toolbar = WIN, but it's always nice to have an alternative.

At least it doesn't butcher text smoothing like Safari does.

I'm quite liking it so far. Not sure why but the ease of splitting the tabs off to spawn new windows I really like. Maybe I'll get bored of that eventually.

Like the idea of the home page providing links to commonly used sites.

Now I want functionality that my firefox add-ons provide and the sidebar/social website support from Flock and it'll be my main browser. In the mean time I'll have to stick to using differant browsers for differing purposes.

An interesting take on the possibility of being forced ads here:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/02/google_chrome_comic_funnies/

And I'm not too happy about the licence terms which state anything that you submit through Chrome Google has the rights to use.

An interesting take on the possibility of being forced ads here:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/02/google_chrome_comic_funnies/

And I'm not too happy about the licence terms which state anything that you submit through Chrome Google has the rights to use.

The 'google has rights to use stuff submitted through chrome' thing on the face of it is quite a worrying claim, but then as it seems a lot (the majority?) of web users seem to think that anything out there is copyright free does it really make any difference?

Certainly the ads thing is inevitable. I can't see Google releasing an adblocker when that is where they get a large proportion of their income from.

[just discovered I can resize textarea elements on the page with my mouse :)]

IE7 and FF3 definitely give you complete full screen with F11 on WinXP.Just after posting F11 tip, I noticed that IE7 finally gets rid of toolbars, though there was still some crap at botom of screen, so not entirely full screen. Not really played with FF3 yet as I only use FF for testing how web pages render, same with IE as they are both so old fashioned and clunky compared to Opera. Still how many years has it taken either of them to do something so simple?

Certainly the ads thing is inevitable. I can't see Google releasing an adblocker when that is where they get a large proportion of their income from
[just discovered I can resize textarea elements on the page with my mouse :)]

If it truly is open source, then ads shouldn't be a problem.

The first two I use for general purpose browsing, with Opera Speed Dial set up for my "fave" newspapers and Radio Times online.
As useful as Speed Dial is, because you can close Opera with say 60 tabs open and open it again with all 60 intact, I rarely use it. Though if you do have a silly no. of tabs open, then it will impact on performance just like having a lot of files/windows open in any programme.
Not only that the pages you looked at earlier are inprior session still there in tabs, handy if you move off a regular site following a link and so you can simply return to prior page/site. This means I simply leave all the pages I view regularly, permanently open.
Also unlike other browsers you can have several installs, so the girlfriend can have her own customised copy of Opera with all her favourite pages left open on the same machine a my copy of Opera. So on both our laptops we have our own peronalised browsers if we swap machines or only have one with us when travelling.
And for those who want to cover their tracks, all the things I mentioned above are optional, like just about everythingin Opera.

Being able to simply close down browser and have multiple tabs reopen where I left it next time, completely changes how you use browser. Even if computer is unplugged and crashes, Opera still has everything saved.
Another favourite Opera thing, if you close tabs by mistake or want to reopen something you looked at earlier, you simply undo like many other programmes by using Cntrl/Cmmd +z.

Anybody else tried it yet? Seems quite good so far...


http://www.google.com/chrome

Errr where have you been?;)

Like the idea of the home page providing links to commonly used sites..Another idea first done by Opera.

IE7 and FF3 definitely give you complete full screen with F11 on WinXP.

Using F11 on IE7 and Firefox 3 will giver you a fuller screen, but they aren't 100% full screen like Opera.

In IE and Firefox you will still get some of the browser on the screen, with Opera you get NONE of the browser on the screen.

[just discovered I can resize textarea elements on the page with my mouse :)]Doesn't seem to be anything of that nature when using laptop and trackpad!
Oh and you can zoom in and out very easily in Opera too. Without breaking page design as when text only is enlarged.

I like it, satisfies my browsing needs very well :D Plus its one more browser thats not made by microsoft and not closed source.

Using F11 on IE7 and Firefox 3 will giver you a fuller screen, but they aren't 100% full screen like Opera.

In IE and Firefox you will still get some of the browser on the screen, with Opera you get NONE of the browser on the screen.

FF3 is full screen apart from a thin strip of a few pixels to pull down the nav bar. Seriously though, who cares? How many people browser in full-screen mode? I can't imagine it's many.

Oh and you can zoom in and out very easily in Opera too. Without breaking page design as when text only is enlarged.

This is beginning to sound like a cheerleading chime for Opera instead of an appraisal for Chrome!;)

I would say though that Opera's magnifying zoom feature is absolutely brilliant and is very understated as an Opera benefit.

It's so handy when you find yourself straining you eyes trying to read small or even tiny text, I use on a daily basis, and you can resize the text to up to 1000%.
It's also very handy when you want a blow up amd scrutinise of a small image

I have not found this useful feature on any other browser, and Chromes text resizing is quite laughable in comparison to Opera's.

FF3 is full screen apart from a thin strip of a few pixels to pull down the nav bar. Seriously though, who cares? How many people browser in full-screen mode? I can't imagine it's many.

But hang on, the whole point about the "Full screen" argument came about because some liked the fuller webpage and less browser aspect about Chrome.
There's nothing wrong with pointing out that Opera is the only browser to give you 100% full webpage and 0% with one simple press of the F11 key browser?:huh:

... Without breaking page design as when text only is enlarged.
That's down to site design rather than browser :P

Using F11 on IE7 and Firefox 3 will giver you a fuller screen, but they aren't 100% full screen like Opera.

In IE and Firefox you will still get some of the browser on the screen, with Opera you get NONE of the browser on the screen.

It is 100% full screen in FF3 (I don't use IE, so I couldn't tell you about that):

http://s166.photobucket.com/albums/u118/alex_shenfield/?action=view&current=untrue.jpg

initially there is a menu bar, but it goes in less than a second.

FF3 is full screen apart from a thin strip of a few pixels to pull down the nav bar. Seriously though, who cares? How many people browser in full-screen mode? I can't imagine it's many.Simply as most people do not know how to enable it or even that it exist, I'd imagine few do ustilise feature.

It is 100% full screen in FF3 (I don't use IE, so I couldn't tell you about that):

http://s166.photobucket.com/albums/u118/alex_shenfield/?action=view&current=untrue.jpg

initially there is a menu bar, but it goes in less than a second.

There are still scroll bars, you don't get that with Opera, although I'm not sure if your scroll bars come from your capture medium or not.

I can't seem to get rid of the address bar on Firefox either, not by hitting F11 anyway.

That's down to site design rather than browser :PNo it's not. :P
I can enlarge text [along with rest of page] no problem in Opera, yet if I do same in any other browser, page breaks as they only enlarge text. Plus not all text is in text format it may be flash or within an image and will not be enlarged other than by Opera. Browsers enlarging just text is such a half baked idea anyway.
Also designing pages so just text parts can be enlarged to any size without breaking page layout would would make an already difficult job even harder, if not next to impossible.

No it's not. :P
I can enlarge text [along with rest of page] no problem in Opera, yet if I do same in any other browser, page breaks as they only enlarge text.
Ah... ok I misunderstood what you were saying :hihi:

Any way... back to Chrome... ;)

No it's not. :P
I can enlarge text [along with rest of page] no problem in Opera, yet if I do same in any other browser, page breaks as they only enlarge text. Plus not all text is in text format it may be flash or within an image and will not be enlarged other than by Opera. Browsers enlarging just text is such a half baked idea anyway.
Also designing pages so just text parts can be enlarged to any size without breaking page layout would would make an already difficult job even harder, if not next to impossible.

I think the only way that people will understand how good, and dare I say superior Opera's magnifier zoom feature is, is if they tried it.
If you have tried it ,you'll know that other browsers, including Chrome's text or zoom features just pale in comparison.

The 'google has rights to use stuff submitted through chrome' thing on the face of it is quite a worrying claim, but then as it seems a lot (the majority?) of web users seem to think that anything out there is copyright free does it really make any difference?

Just read a few comments about this. Basically any forum posts you make, pictures you post etc Google can do with as they please. That what is sounds like anyway.

If this post doesn't make any sense then Google may have modified it :suspect:

If you cant read the text on a site its hardly browsers fault, tis them pesky web-designermajigs, having proper zoom is great but hardly a must have. I only ever used full screen browsing for watching flash videos in full screen - not a deal breaker for most people. (oh no the top 20 pixels of my screen are taken by a menu, how will i go on browsing!? think of the children, wont someone think of the children! and so on....)

I think Opera Kiosk mode is also a good innovation, and must agree that they really have led the field in browser useability improvements. Mouse gesture plugins for firefox do not really satisfy.
No it's not. :P
I can enlarge text [along with rest of page] no problem in Opera, yet if I do same in any other browser, page breaks as they only enlarge text. Plus not all text is in text format it may be flash or within an image and will not be enlarged other than by Opera. Browsers enlarging just text is such a half baked idea anyway.
Also designing pages so just text parts can be enlarged to any size without breaking page layout would would make an already difficult job even harder, if not next to impossible.

FF3 also implements this feature, proportionally resizing all the images and backgrounds, even animated avatars like mine.

But having used chrome a little, I think it's very nice. I am wedded to a bookmark bar on the left, and the "omnibar" is just the "awesome bar". But its clean and fast and really does become quickly invisible

I await the necessary extensions to make it as useful as firefox. Everytime I use browser other than my own I am amazed by how the web is festooned with adverts.

If you cant read the text on a site its hardly browsers fault, tis them pesky web-designermajigs, having proper zoom is great but hardly a must have.

Gotta strongly disagree there, a hell of a lot of websites and blogs use tiny text so that they can cram more advertising space on the page.

The zoom feature in Opera is one of the most handy features to have, and once you're use to having it at your disposal, you feel somewhat deprived when the feature isn't there.

Like I said before, once you try it, you'll wonder how ever you lived without it!;)

If you cant read the text on a site its hardly browsers fault, tis them pesky web-designermajigs, having proper zoom is great but hardly a must have. I beg to differ, it makes reading pages with small text much easier and if you have large high res monitors that is common and as websites have to be designed with low res screens in mind, you cannot always blame designers there either. Though Flash often has tiddlly text for some stupid reason. Which Opera can handily enlarge

The other place where it is is incredibly useful is in reducing the no. of words per line. The optimum width for reading is so often exceeded by a ridiculous amount by websites, again especially if you have a large monitor. So by enlarging page and [again unique to Opera] using fit to width so page size stays within window, you get a more comfortable no. of words per line.

I think Opera Kiosk mode is also a good innovation, and must agree that they really have led the field in browser useability improvements. Without doubt.

And for example of yet another Opera feaure copied by FF 5 years later.
FF3 also implements this feature, proportionally resizing all the images and backgrounds, even animated avatars like mine.Still a clunky horrid UI though.

Back to Chrome...
I have a load of bookmarks stored with google via the buttonage I have added to my FF toolbar.

Any ideas how to get the same buttonage (particularly the Google bookmarks widgit) in Chrome? Don't want to sign up for del.ico.us etc as I've already got it all stored with Google somewhere!

Ah... ok I misunderstood what you were saying :hihi:

Any way... back to Chrome... ;)It's very fast on the pages it does work on, it has hardly any features so very little interface which is just as well as it's a horrid bright blue :gag: and it's another PITA for web designers and that's about it really, hence the chat about other browsers.

Without doubt.

And for example of yet another Opera feaure copied by FF 5 years later.
Still a clunky horrid UI though.

I think that if chrome is open source, then the extensions will come, and if the javascript improvements are as advertised (speed improvements of 10x over firefox and up to 50x over IE7) then I think it may become a default browser on this desktop.

But whether google can punch into the browser market ahead of Firefox and ultimately IE, depends on so many variables - including if it is actually better, or whether google end up restricting gmail to the chrome browser to try and wall in their users like Microsoft. Previous behaviour by google suggests not.

There's nothing wrong with pointing out that Opera is the only browser to give you 100% full webpage and 0% browser?:huh:

I've been using IE since version 4 with 100% webpages in full screen mode to capture websites to video projectors / tv screens, it takes literally seconds to turn off the status bar and to set the toolbar to auto hide.

IE7 gained page zooming ala Opera.

It's very fast

A lot has been made of Chrome's speed, and I can't argue with that, but I have compared the speed with Firefox 3 without any add ons, and I actually find Firefox 3 speed matches Chromes.

What actually happens to the speed when you install add ons to Chrome, time will tell.

It use to be that Opera led the field on speed, although in this regard I think
Opera has now been taken over by the likes of Firefox and Chrome...but then again it might just be my copy of Opera.

I've been using IE since version 4 with 100% webpages in full screen mode to capture websites to video projectors / tv screens, it takes literally seconds to turn off the status bar and to set the toolbar to auto hide.



Okay fair point, but perhaps I should ammend my post to Opera is the only browser that gives you 100% full screen with one press of the the F11 button.;)

The most annoying feature is for the first time I was using a browser plagued by advertisements and pop-ups and an annoying spell checker turned on by default.

My

not seen any annoying advertisements or popups, and the spell checker is good, I curse FF3 when it doesn't work.

30seconds of use and i got a message saying Aww Snap ? Don't think it likes X64 :hihi:

Using F11 on IE7 and Firefox 3 will giver you a fuller screen, but they aren't 100% full screen like Opera.
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doing this on FF3 gives me a totally full screen web page, even the address bar disappears (hover at the top to make it reappear).

30seconds of use and i got a message saying Aww Snap ? Don't think it likes X64 :hihi:

using as main browser on Vista x64 here without an issue..

not seen any annoying advertisements or popups, and the spell checker is good, I curse FF3 when it doesn't work.

I haven't seen too many adverts, but I do keep getting both Comodo and Winpatrol both alerting me that Google updater is trying to run' despite not even having Chrome open, I block it but the alerts keep coming on a regular basis.
I mean what's to update already!:suspect:

I haven't seen too many adverts, but I do keep getting both Comodo and Winpatrol both alerting me that Google updater is trying to run despite not even having Chrome open, I block it but the alerts keep coming on a regular basis.
I mean what's to update already!:suspect:

Yeah, like Apple's updater, and realplayers updater, and javas updater. this is a seperate (killable) process that runs in the background

Yeah, like Apple's updater, and realplayers updater, and javas updater. this is a seperate (killable) process that runs in the background

I tried to disable it using Winpatrol, but that doesn't seem to have worked.

Can you advise how I go about killing it?
Thanks.

using as main browser on Vista x64 here without an issue..

X64 XP :suspect:

I tried to disable it using Winpatrol but that doesn't seem to have worked.

Can you advise how I go about killing it?
Thanks.

I just killed using TaskManager, and disabled using msconfig

Nope small text on sites is designers fault. Like small text in a book is, its small - because someone made it to be small. It does not matter why the designer made the text small, if it were designed to be easily read it would not be small. Designing sites to show you more adds rather than let you read the content is hardly an excuse.

Tell you what though, the EULA's just made me ditch it.... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/google_chrome_eula_sucks/

I just killed using TaskManager, and disabled using msconfig

Thanks, I'll try that.

What's the image name of the process in TaskManager?

FF3 also implements this feature, proportionally resizing all the images and backgrounds, even animated avatars like mine.I thought I'd test out FF's new resizing whilst looking at a website with teeny unreadable text. And it was a complete mess. So I went to look at same site in Opera and realised FF simply couldn't even render page correctly at normal size let alone zoomed in, hence the small text. I tried Safari, IE, Chrome and it worked fine in all of them.
Site in question
http://www.fifteen.net/restaurants/fifteenlondon/Pages/default.aspx

Tried the FF zoom on SF and it worked better, but as it doesn't have a fit to page feature like Opera, so it's simply not as useful as page layout breaks as you zoom in. Yet again FF is copying Opera and failing to match the quality of implementation.

FF3 also implements this feature, proportionally resizing all the images and backgrounds, even animated avatars like mine.I thought I'd test out FF's new resizing whilst looking at a website with teeny unreadable text. And it was a complete mess. So I went to look at same site in Opera and realised FF simply couldn't even render page correctly at normal size let alone zoomed in, hence the small text. I tried Safari, IE, Chrome and it worked fine in all of them.
Site in question
http://www.fifteen.net/restaurants/fifteenlondon/Pages/default.aspx

Tried the FF zoom on SF and it worked better, but as it doesn't have a fit to page feature like Opera, so it's simply not as useful as page layout breaks as you zoom in. Yet again FF is copying Opera and failing to match the quality of implementation.

Though they aren't the only ones.
IE7 gained page zooming ala Opera.
No it hasn't, as Opera can zoom and fit to screen, so you have more usuable sizing and all the page as well.

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Tell you what though, the EULA's just made me ditch it.... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/google_chrome_eula_sucks/

Can you imagine that standing up in any court outside of Central Africa? It's nice of them to give us a heads up for their future plans though.

Like you, I've ditched it too.

Nope small text on sites is designers fault. Like small text in a book is, its small - because someone made it to be small. It does not matter why the designer made the text small, if it were designed to be easily read it would not be small. Designing sites to show you more adds rather than let you read the content is hardly an excuse.

I think we are in agreement here,
I mentioned that lots of sites cram adverts in at the expense of text size not to justify it, but just to explain the regularity of coming across undersized text sites.

If it's the web page designers way of maximising income, then I'm afraid small text on web pages is going to continue and become even more common, hense the need for decent text or page magnifyers like Opera's.

Hehe, their ears must be burning. I just uninstalled and got the message

Are you sure that you want to remove Google Chrome (was it something that we said)

Yep. :hihi:

If it's the web page designers way of maximising income, then I'm afraid small text on web pages is going to continue and become even more common, hense the need for decent text or page magnifyers like Opera's.
I think if the designer is worth reading, he/she can design a site that satisfies all (readers and google).

Tell you what though, the EULA's just made me ditch it.... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/google_chrome_eula_sucks/

wow, ouch, chrome is gone...

Tell you what though, the EULA's just made me ditch it.... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/google_chrome_eula_sucks/

And if that isn't enough to put you off Chrome, how about this:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/google_chrome_vuln/

Nope small text on sites is designers fault. Like small text in a book is, its small - because someone made it to be small. It does not matter why the designer made the text small, if it were designed to be easily read it would not be small. Designing sites to show you more adds rather than let you read the content is hardly an excuse.Not au fait with web design have you. Print in a book is unvarying. It's always the size it's printed at. The layout doesn't change depending on where you read it or even if you lend it to a friend.
Web browing is completely different as people use different browsers, different OSs, different sized monitors. So how a site looks, can vary enormously. And if you have a high res monitor, then type will tend to be a bit on the small side.
Nothing to do with ads. Actually sites with ads on tend to have narrower text columns which often inproves reading. Reading text that spans entire screen is very difficult and unpleasant.

Tell you what though, the EULA's just made me ditch it.... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/google_chrome_eula_sucks/Nothing new with regard to Google and their iffy attitude to copyright.

Not au fait with web design have you. Print in a book is unvarying. It's always the size it's printed at. The layout doesn't change depending on where you read it or even if you lend it to a friend.
Web browing is completely different as people use different browsers, different OSs, different sized monitors. So how a site looks, can vary enormously. And if you have a high res monitor, then type will tend to be a bit on the small side.
Nothing to do with ads. Actually sites with ads on tend to have narrower text columns which often inproves reading. Reading text that spans entire screen is very difficult and unpleasant.
So designers should not care about readability issues because you will come along with Opera and resize the page to your liking. Hmmmm. Somehow i think if the site was well designed to begin with, your need for a zoom feature would cease.

It's true the Chrome browser does give you more webpage and less tool bar space than other browsers in default viewing mode..........

however jezzyjj is indeed correct, Opera is the only main stream browser that I know of that can give you 100% webpage and nothing else.

Just hit your keyboards F11 key, or alternatively if you think your F11 key is too far out of reach ,then simply right click and select "Full Screen".

When in full screen mode simple use your cursor arrow keys to scroll up or down the page.
To exit full screen simply hit the F11 key or right click and select "Full Screen"

So If it's more focus on the webpage you want then Opera beats Chrome in that regard.

Except I'm not after a full screen experience - I still want my toolbars and everything, but this seems to emphasise the page through design, it's probably not actually any different at all!

Wow, that license is unbelievable, it seems Google is trying to outdo MS on every front, including evilness.

not seen any annoying advertisements or popups, and the spell checker is good, I curse FF3 when it doesn't work.

My only niggle with the in-built spell checker was that I couldn't see any option to turn it off.

All SF adds were visible and same for all 'flash' banner adds too on other sites.

The big plus is the speed Chrome renders pages ... on par with K-Meleon. :)

Wow, that license is unbelievable, it seems Google is trying to outdo MS on every front, including evilness.

I've just read section 11.1 of the Chrome EULA. If I used Chrome to upload photos to my Flikr album, am I correct that Google would have the right to reproduce, adapt, modify, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any of my Content that I have submitted, posted or displayed on or through the Service? :confused:

So designers should not care about readability issues because you will come along with Opera and resize the page to your liking. Hmmmm. Somehow i think if the site was well designed to begin with, your need for a zoom feature would cease.Did you even read my post that this is a response to? :confused: Unlikely judging by such an ignorant/I'm not interested in the facts/or what was actually written in post response?
Why even bother to respond to posts you haven't got the good manners to read? :rant:
Go back and read post. All the words and in the order they were written.

I've just read section 11.1 of the Chrome EULA. If I used Chrome to upload photos to my Flikr album, am I correct that Google would have the right to reproduce, adapt, modify, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any of my Content that I have submitted, posted or displayed on or through the Service? :confused:Google seem to want to be able to access, reproduce or do what ever they want with anything that can be displayed online and seem totally dismissive of copyright. This EULA is not surprising. And if word gets spread, no-one wih half a brain will use it.

The general consensus seems to be that the EULA is a cut and paste from another Google Service and will likely get changed in future Betas. But it might not.

Google seem to want to be able to access, reproduce or do what ever they want with anything that can be displayed online and seem totally dismissive of copyright. This EULA is not surprising. And if word gets spread, no-one wih half a brain will use it.
The general consensus seems to be that the EULA is a cut and paste from another Google Service and will likely get changed in future Betas. But it might not.

Thanks jezzyjj and hotphil. :thumbsup:

Did you even read my post that this is a response to? :confused: Unlikely judging by such an ignorant/I'm not interested in the facts/or what was actually written in post response?
Why even bother to respond to posts you haven't got the good manners to read? :rant:
Go back and read post. All the words and in the order they were written.
Whats the problem, you told me the web is completely different to books. But web is no different to print, as in you set the text size to a value and the text comes out to the end user at that value. Its not like an 12pt text will be hugely different on all the platforms/browsers and in all fonts; it will still be 12pt big.
Why dont you reply to my message instead of going of on a rant about me reading yours.

Just downloaded it on my home laptop and the scrolling doesn't work. I can use the touchpad to scroll down but not up. Anyone else having this problem? Found a few people that seem to be and offer a solution but it doesn't work for me :-(

Just downloaded it on my home laptop and the scrolling doesn't work. I can use the touchpad to scroll down but not up. Anyone else having this problem? Found a few people that seem to be and offer a solution but it doesn't work for me :-(

Do you mean the browser scroll bar didn't work or your touch pad didn't work after installing Chrome.
I installed Chrome on an HP laptop and I never encountered any problem with the scroll.

Apparently the EULA is a cut and paste from Google Docs. Which raises another question, is Google seriously trying to position its web apps as competitors to desktop software with a license that says 'we own all your work and can sell it as we see fit'?
Who is their right mind would use such a system for serious business work?

Do you mean the browser scroll bar didn't work or your touch pad didn't work after installing Chrome.
I installed Chrome on an HP laptop and I never encountered any problem with the scroll.

It is just in Chrome. There is a scroll bar on the touchpad and it will only scroll down in Chrome and not up.

Whats the problem, you told me the web is completely different to books. But web is no different to print, as in you set the text size to a value and the text comes out to the end user at that value. Its not like an 12pt text will be hugely different on all the platforms/browsers and in all fonts; it will still be 12pt big.
Why dont you reply to my message instead of going of on a rant about me reading yours.
Because you response to my post was nonsense as so obviously you hadn't read my post. And if you could read, you have seen subject had already been addressed.
And as you think web and print are no different, then you are simply deluded or have absolutely no idea what you are talking about :loopy: Web designers would be overjoyed if what you said was true, but it's not. Hence why web design is so very, very difficult to do. It is anything but wysiwyg.

It is just in Chrome. There is a scroll bar on the touchpad and it will only scroll down in Chrome and not up.

If the touch pad is working fine on another browser or application on your laptop, then I would say the problem is with the browser, Chrome.

Because you response to my post was nonsense as so obviously you hadn't read my post. And if you could read, you have seen subject had already been addressed.
And as you think web and print are no different, then you are simply deluded or have absolutely no idea what you are talking about :loopy: Web designers would be overjoyed if what you said was true, but it's not. Hence why web design is so very, very difficult to do. It is anything but wysiwyg.
I am a web designer and its true.

What is true, my whole statement or just part of it? :P

If using a 11", 13" or a 15" laptop each with a resolution of 1280x800 [they all exist], then a 12pt bit of text will not be the same size on each, as the pixel size varies. Just as if you change resolution on monitor, text size will vary.
So saying that text is always the same size is simply not true. And thinking web and print are the same.... :confused: dear me. I wish.
Also you are completely ignoring the most important issue, the people reading a site. What is perfectly readable by a 20 year old may be tricky for a 50 yr old and maybe impossible for a 70 yr old. So being able to zoom in on a website, may be of great benefit to those who need glasses, so saying it's a pointless feature simply shows a lack of awareness of others needs. Not good if one is doing design.
I made that mistake once with a business card. Easy for me to read, but the more longsighted peeps really struggled.

What is true, my whole statement or just part of it? :P

If using a 11", 13" or a 15" laptop each with a resolution of 1280x800 [they all exist], then a 12pt bit of text will not be the same size on each, as the pixel size varies. Just as if you change resolution on monitor, text size will vary.
So saying that text is always the same size is simply not true. And thinking web and print are the same.... :confused: dear me. I wish.
Also you are completely ignoring the most important issue, the people reading a site. What is perfectly readable by a 20 year old may be tricky for a 50 yr old and maybe impossible for a 70 yr old. So being able to zoom in on a website, may be of great benefit to those who need glasses, so saying it's a pointless feature simply shows a lack of awareness of others needs. Not good if one is doing design.
I made that mistake once with a business card. Easy for me to read, but the more longsighted peeps really struggled.

My point was about being able to set the width of the text in the first place and having it pop out the other end at that width and that web designers can design text to be easily readable. If they designed it well in the first place, and thought about people that will read their site thoes people would not need extra functionality of the browser to see the site.

Okay you can now officially add me to the "I've just unistalled Chrome list!":D


This breaking news:

"Google will dump a section of the licensing agreement for its new Chrome browser after some Internet users objected to its copyright implications.

Google said Wednesday it would dump one section of the end-user licensing agreement that gave the company "a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through" the new browser."

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/150637/google_amends_chrome_license_agreement_after_objec tions.html

Too late for me though!

Complete garbage!!

I saw the screenshots and closed the page :D

My point was about being able to set the width of the text in the first place and having it pop out the other end at that width and that web designers can design text to be easily readable. No you accused me of suggesting that designers needn't bother to design pages properly as Opera will sort it out. Not something I said at all. Or ever would say.

If they designed it well in the first place, and thought about people that will read their site thoes people would not need extra functionality of the browser to see the site.I don't need the extra functionality of the latest version of Photoshop, but guess what it makes my life easier, so I use it.
Also breaking news here, a very, very, very large no of web pages are not well designed and that will always be the case. So a tool realises the reality of the world's imperfections and helps you deal with how it really is, it is actually a very usefull tool. Anything that makes my life easier is a good thing. :thumbsup:
Of course websites should be designed well, but as lots of people argue about what 'good' design actually is, who decides when a site is actually good. Jakob Nielsen, supposedly a guru of web usability, used to dismiss the use of images or 'pretty design' in aiding usuability. It seemed beyond his comprehension, that there were different types of users out there. :loopy:


Are you also still refusing to admit that text can vary in size depending on how it is displayed?

And as for the zoom tool on Opera being pointless. People keep raving about it when talking about Opera being used on phones.
Another place where text is a very different size!

And as for the zoom tool on Opera being pointless. People keep raving about it when talking about Opera being used on phones.
Another place where text is a very different size!

Wow, I can't quite believe this text size debate is still going on....it's a marathon!:hihi:

jezzyjj, I'm afraid your words on Opera's brilliant and extremely useful zoom magnifyer seem to be lost on adaline.

Two things really need to happen before adaline might change his/her stance

1) They need to understand that many computer users do find it a strain to read text on many websites and blogs, and it's not just the people who need glasses either!

2) They need to actually experience Opera's zoom magnifyer to really understand why the likes of you and I, and no doubt thousands of Opera users find this too absolutely an indespensible tool.

For those interested in Chrome rather than text size ;) the EULA's been changed to remove the iffy content clause. It now reads:

"11. Content licence from you

11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights that you already hold in Content that you submit, post or display on or through the Services."

I may reinstall.

Interestingly to me, there's hundreds of pages laying into Google for the EULA issue, and all the ones I've seen seem to forget it's a BETA. You'd think the world had ended or that they'd made such a boo-boo in a released version they're charging £1000's for. Some geeks need to calm down a bit I feel.

How is the EULA related to its status as beta?
And the omnibar logging every key stroke to google puts Chrome firmly in the category of 'spyware' as far as I'm concerned.

EULAs between betas and releases often vary. But numerous journalists describing "problems with Google's new browser" and forgetting to mention that it's not a release version seems a little harsh.

I've just seen a report that it doesn't uninstall properly and continues to run stuff in the background, unseen and undetectable to file explorer. It's been picked up by Zone Alarm and contained in

C:\Documents and Settings\Me\Local Settings\Application Data\Google\Update\1.2.131.11

Can one of you experts take a peek?

(Deeply suspicious now)

I've just seen a report that it doesn't uninstall properly and continues to run stuff in the background, unseen and undetectable to file explorer. It's been picked up by Zone Alarm and contained in

C:\Documents and Settings\Me\Local Settings\Application Data\Google\Update\1.2.131.11

Can one of you experts take a peek?

(Deeply suspicious now)

Tony,

Running a rootkit revealer (Fsecure blacklight) now, will let everyone know what it finds.

:edit: Found nothing, so its not a rootkit, mind you they would be incredibly stupid to use a rootkit.

Do you have a process running called GoogleUpdate? or GoogleupdateHelper?

No you accused me of suggesting that designers needn't bother to design pages properly as Opera will sort it out. Not something I said at all. Or ever would say.

I don't need the extra functionality of the latest version of Photoshop, but guess what it makes my life easier, so I use it.
Also breaking news here, a very, very, very large no of web pages are not well designed and that will always be the case. So a tool realises the reality of the world's imperfections and helps you deal with how it really is, it is actually a very usefull tool. Anything that makes my life easier is a good thing. :thumbsup:
Of course websites should be designed well, but as lots of people argue about what 'good' design actually is, who decides when a site is actually good. Jakob Nielsen, supposedly a guru of web usability, used to dismiss the use of images or 'pretty design' in aiding usuability. It seemed beyond his comprehension, that there were different types of users out there. :loopy:


Are you also still refusing to admit that text can vary in size depending on how it is displayed?
Its true text does apear at different physical size on different screens im not bothered about it, but if the designer foresaw the need to see the site on a phone/7"laptop/fridge he/she would design the site to make the text readable on those screens. ie. a site about laser eye surgery should be easily readable by people with sight problems, without them needing to be on a computer with opera. Its obviously nice to have an option to do more (and operating systems had the magnifier feature for a long time now), but if the site was made well for its purpose, in this case reading, you would just come to it and read, whatever software your using.

I've just seen a report that it doesn't uninstall properly and continues to run stuff in the background, unseen and undetectable to file explorer. It's been picked up by Zone Alarm and contained in

C:\Documents and Settings\Me\Local Settings\Application Data\Google\Update\1.2.131.11

Can one of you experts take a peek?

(Deeply suspicious now)

Tony look back on page 6 at my post 104.
I had both WinPatrol and Comodo alert me that Google updater was trying to run, I blocked it and even tried to disable the process in WinPatrol, but the alerts kept coming every 5 minutes or so.
( just like Microsoft processes is very persistent ,so if it's not given permission first time it will keep attempting to connect to the internet at regular intervals)

I uninstalled Chrome using the Chrome Uninstaller and then clean up my PC with CCcleaner and Easy Cleaner but still got the alerts.
I then did a system restore....but still got the alerts.:rolleyes:

I checked My Progammes folder in C drive and the Google Chrome Folder had
gone, but I did have Google Player still on my system which I install but rarely used ages a go.

I unistalled Google player and then ran CC Cleaner and EasyCleaner again.....and the cleaners did indeed pick up Google Updater for the first time.
I have now been free of any Google Update alerts.:)

So I can only conclude that somehow the Google Updater that comes with Chrome somehow finds a home in other Google program folders if you uninstall Chrome.

So If you have other Google stuff that you could do without on your computer(Google player, Google Picasso,Google Earth etc) and still get the alerts then consider unistalling them too.

I've just seen a report that it doesn't uninstall properly and continues to run stuff in the background, unseen and undetectable to file explorer.I wouldnt doubt it......

Anything made by google is spyware!!

Astute Reg readers have pointed out a Chrome condition of service that effectively lets Google use any of your copyrighted material posted to the web via Chrome without paying you a cent.Why would anyone wanna use this POS when this is a condition of service??

Source: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/google_chrome_eula_sucks

Its just a ploy by google to get info from people so they can be plastered with ads,etc.... (They are almost as bad as microsoft)

...because that was an error in this Beta software and they've since amended (and retrospectively applied) an amended EULA.

...because that was an error in this Beta software and they've since amended (and retrospectively applied) an amended EULA.

The very idea of being able to retrospectively alter the EULA is more worrying to me than what is in there now.

Its true text does apear at different physical size on different screens im not bothered about it Well it bothers me as it affects legibility and I use small high res screens and I doubt I'm alone there. Did you read what kingmaker said about how useful it is and have you even tried the tool, that you think is pointless?
I find it baffling that people so often slag off a tool they wouldn't use. There are lots of tools in many programmes I don't use, I simply ignore them and realize that tools I use all the time, others will also ignore. So what's the problem? Everybody uses a different subset of the tools on offer and quite often they get used in ways not originally imagined by inventor.

but if the designer foresaw the need to see the site on a phone/7"laptop/fridge he/she would design the site to make the text readable on those screens. Again, most sites are not designed by caring professionals or maybe the budget didn't cover a WAP version and an iPhone version

ie. a site about laser eye surgery should be easily readable by people with sight problems, without them needing to be on a computer with opera.People with sight problem also look at other pages too, not just ones about eye surgery:loopy:


Its obviously nice to have an option to do more (and operating systems had the magnifier feature for a long time now), but if the site was made well for its purpose, in this case reading, you would just come to it and read, whatever software your using.But a large perecentage aren't well made and probably never will be. OSX can easily magnify on fly, but simply enlarging a poorly designed web page is not something you want to do in Windows. Though the XP accessibility options seem pretty good for those who need permanent aid.


Anyway inspired by your comments, I'm off to design a website with all the the text at 8pt and in dark grey on a black background so it can only be read by Opera users with the 'nightlite' facility.

I'm still enjoying google chrome and haven't had a single annoying updater incident etc.

It does all sorts of interesting things, and the speed is the clincher for me.

Maybe I'm an exhibitionist as I don't find the data gathering idea much of a problem. So they target ads at me, so what? I'll still ignore them.

I'm still enjoying google chrome and haven't had a single annoying updater incident etc.


But that's because the Google updater is a process that runs in the background everytime you switch on your PC regardless of whether you have Chrome open or not.

WinPatrol picks it up and so do some firewalls.
It's not the alerts that bother me so much, I'm glad WinPatrol managed to latch onto in fact. I could easily have made those alerts disappear by simply allowing WinPatrol to allow the Google Updater permission to run.
It's the fact that Google updater needs to run at all that bothers me, I don't need to have any Google updates.
So just because you don't have any "annoying updater incident" it doesn't mean that Google updater isn't currently running on your computer and will continue to run everytime you switch on your computer regardless.

I'm off to design a website with all the the text at 8pt and in dark grey on a black background so it can only be read by Opera users with the 'nightlite' facility.

It's great that opera has such a facility, but it's a shame it needs one.

It's great that opera has such a facility, but it's a shame it needs one.
It also has a 'whimsychecker' TM to let you know when posts are taking the mickey!

awful lol!!!!!

No problems with uninstalling Google Chrome. I just used Acronis ... not a trace. :)

A lot has been made of Chrome's speed, and I can't argue with that, but I have compared the speed with Firefox 3 without any add ons, and I actually find Firefox 3 speed matches Chromes.

What actually happens to the speed when you install add ons to Chrome, time will tell.

It use to be that Opera led the field on speed, although in this regard I think
Opera has now been taken over by the likes of Firefox and Chrome...but then again it might just be my copy of Opera.

Actually I'll take my own comment back about Opera being taken over by Firefox and Chrome.
I've just downloaded and been using the latest version of Opera 9.52 and it was appreciably faster than the version I had been using at the time I posted the above comment (Opera 9.27).

I think everyone almost universally agrees that Chrome is fast, but both the latest version of Firefox and Opera seem to match it for speed on the websites, I visit at least.

Maybe it's like all new sofware, fast at first, then slowlygrinding to a halt.

So anyway we were talkign about browsing internet on a PC before you spun it out at every instance, jezzy. Designing a website for a pc browser (chrome being one of them in this instance) should be done properly, its not some extra work, it is the actual site. And seeing as screen sizes dont vary that much between pc's, you could make one site that is easily readable on all screens and all the browsers.

...because that was an error in this Beta software and they've since amended (and retrospectively applied) an amended EULA.Well i still wouldnt trust them.......

A WARNING ABOUT GOOGLE UPDATER EXE STAYING ON PC EVEN AFTER CHROME IS UNINSTALLED:


Following my experience of finding out via WinPatrol that Google updater was still trying to run despite having unistalled Chrome from my system, I decided to Google(Oh the irony!:rolleyes:) to see if others had the same experience.
It turns out mine was not an isolated incidence, here's what I found from 3 seperate posters on 3 seperate forums all discussing Chrome:

"Did you know that when you uninstall Chrome that Google Updater doesn't uninstall with it? It remains on your system doing whatever it does, besides looking for updates to software you don't have any more."

"Chrome phones home to Google every hour. Uninstalling Chrome doesn’t change this, the phone home program remains installed and pinging away."

"Install Chrome and you will find GoogleUpdate.exe running in your task manager. Killing it does not stop it from returning however, you will also find it in msconfig. To make matters worse, before I removed it from msconfig I had uninstalled Chrome and the updater still reappeared a short while later in my running processes."


So there you have it, Google have slippped in their Google updater which is a generic updater to search for all updates of all Google products not just Chrome.:suspect:

I have a feeling, although not entirely certain, that what is happening is that the Google updater doesn't get uninstalled from your system when you unistall Chrome if you have other Google products (i,e Google Earth, Picasso,Google player etc).
So even if you had something like Google Earth or Picasso without Google updater.....you have now if you installed Chrome!:rolleyes:

Some have suggested that you can remove Google's unwanted updater via Windows "Add or Remove" method, although I didn't find it in my list, I just uninstalled Google player (which I had previously Installed but hardly ever used ages ago.),then proceeded to use CC cleaner, which did indicate that it found Google updater, although I had to unistall all Google programs not just Chrome before CC cleaner picked it up and deleted it.
So if you think you have unistalled Chrome and everything that came with it.....you might want to think again!:suspect:

Google Updater ate my hamster!

So anyway we were talkign about browsing internet on a PC before you spun it out at every instance, jezzy. Designing a website for a pc browser (chrome being one of them in this instance) should be done properly, its not some extra work, it is the actual site. And seeing as screen sizes dont vary that much between pc's, you could make one site that is easily readable on all screens and all the browsers.

You see adaline it's not only just Jezzy and I who think Opera's magnifyer is really good and very useful:

"Opera, on the other hand, looks brilliant and is a joy to use. It has a proper page zoom rather than the text-only zoom of Safari and Chrome, its address bar gives you the option to Google without using the separate search box, Speed Dial gives you thumbnails of your chosen web pages when you open a new tab, it has decent bookmark management and it's easy to make the interface work the way you want it to."

http://www.pcanswers.co.uk/node/4228

You see adaline it's not only just Jezzy and I who think Opera's magnifyer is really good and very useful:

"Opera, on the other hand, looks brilliant and is a joy to use. It has a proper page zoom rather than the text-only zoom of Safari and Chrome, its address bar gives you the option to Google without using the separate search box, Speed Dial gives you thumbnails of your chosen web pages when you open a new tab, it has decent bookmark management and it's easy to make the interface work the way you want it to."

http://www.pcanswers.co.uk/node/4228
Im not saying its useless, im saying its not Chrome/Firefox/Opera/Safari/IE's fault that the text on sites is unreadable.

So anyway we were talkign about browsing internet on a PC before you spun it out at every instance, jezzy. Designing a website for a pc browser (chrome being one of them in this instance) should be done properly, its not some extra work, it is the actual site. And seeing as screen sizes dont vary that much between pc's, you could make one site that is easily readable on all screens and all the browsers.
Screen size does vary. Considerably.
And that is only going to become even ore of an issue with both the larger and smaller screens that are becoming more commonplace than previously. I'm looking at this page with a 13" diagonal desktop. To my right is a 30" diagonal desktop. I was looking at an 11" laptop for travelling the other day, which has the same resolution as a 15" MacBookPro. So as a specific resolution can be on many different screen sizes, the physical side then also varies. Not to mention the huge variation in pople's eyesight and the distance they may be from monitor/tv...

Besides you seem to have completely missed the most important point. Again.
Websites are not always, done by professionals, not all of them give a damn or are even any good and people with poor eyesite don't just look at sites for laser surgery. So a tool that is useful for the real world, not the imaginary one only inhabited by compassionate designers, is useful. Very, very useful. And as you cannot seem to grasp how varied screen sizes are, or the even more varied people that are looking at them, you are not going to do a good a job as you think.
I regularly visit a site where the text size is fine. However as the text is reversed and spans 3/4s of screen, it is really awful to read. Particulary on a high res monitor. However if you use Opera to zoom in and 'fit to page, then it becomes much less arduous. If it wasn't such a useful tool, why did FF and IE copy it [badly]?

As for spinning things out, if you actually read posts correctly. You wouldn't have made the daft and innacurate point you did about Opera's zoom tool in first place and why I supposedly think it's a charter for lazy design as opposed to a handy feature.

Now as you are a professional webdesigner who can do sites than can be easily read on any monitor/platform/phone, your own site must be really stylish and kickass and shows off your ability. So please, show us how good you are.

Im not saying its useless, im saying its not Chrome/Firefox/Opera/Safari/IE's fault that the text on sites is unreadable.
Good grief, people are simply talking about how different browsers handle how they magnify sites. Not why they may need to.
So stop with the irrelevant wittering about why a site is badly designed. That's another topic or twenty. People are talking about browsers, not web design/designers. There is a difference!!

You are completely correct about the fact that sites should be well designed. Shame it's not the topic.

Good grief, people are simply talking about how different browsers handle how they magnify sites. Not why they may need to.
So stop with the irrelevant wittering about why a site is badly designed. That's another topic or twenty. People are talking about browsers, not web design/designers. There is a difference!!

You are completely correct about the fact that sites should be well designed. Shame it's not the topic.
All this started when I said that its not browsers fault you cant read the text its designers, to which you and kingmaker2 disagreed. So its your own fault.

Now as you are a professional webdesigner who can do sites than can be easily read on any monitor/platform/phone, your own site must be really stylish and kickass and shows off your ability. So please, show us how good you are.
I have not touched it for many years now, but you can find it here: www.v-a-l.co.uk

All this started when I said that its not browsers fault you cant read the text its designers, to which you and kingmaker2 disagreed. So its your own fault.

Errr not quite!:rolleyes:

Both Jezzy and I were extolling the virtues of Opera's Zoom magnifyer over Chrome's text enlager.

To which you responded:
If you cant read the text on a site its hardly browsers fault, tis them pesky web-designermajigs, having proper zoom is great but hardly a must have.

My argument to your comment wasn't the first bit about who's fault it was, it was your last comment about "hardly a must have".

As far as I'm concerned, and probably Jezzy, along with other comments that I've seen on the Opera forum that have tried out Chrome, Opera's zoom feature certainly is a "must have feature".

My argument also was to say that unless you've tried it out, you won't really know how much of a "must have" feature that it has become amongst many Opera users.
So when a browser like Chrome doesn't have a good zoom magnifyer then it is very noticable especially amongst the Opera users.

Errr not quite!:rolleyes:

Both Jezzy and I were extolling the virtues of Opera's Zoom magnifyer over Chrome's text enlager.

To which you responded:


My argument to your comment wasn't the first bit about who's fault it was, it was your last comment about "hardly a must have".

As far as I'm concerned, and probably Jezzy, along with other comments that I've seen on the Opera forum that have tried out Chrome, Opera's zoom feature certainly is a "must have feature".

My argument also was to say that unless you've tried it out, you won't really know how much of a "must have" feature that it has become amongst many Opera users.
So when a browser like Chrome doesn't have a good zoom magnifyer then it is very noticable especially amongst the Opera users.
Yes Opera zoom feature is great... but all the other browsers have a zoom feature - some not as good as Opera's but its still there when you need to enlarge some hard to read text. So having a proper zoom feature is great, but not essential.

Yes Opera zoom feature is great... but all the other browsers have a zoom feature - some not as good as Opera's but its still there when you need to enlarge some hard to read text. So having a proper zoom feature is great, but not essential.

Go tell that to Opera users that say it is!;)

Go tell that to Opera users that say it is!;)
Oh no i dont want to upset the almighty church of Opera, rulers of the universe. What if they send the armada of people who cant read sites on their variety of screen sizes after me?!

All this started when I said that its not browsers fault you cant read the text its designers, to which you and kingmaker2 disagreed. So its your own fault.My God, how old are you 12? :loopy: And as you said, it all started when you posted about how small text was designers fault. Everyone else was talking how different browsers rendered pages.

Besides, if you want to talk about text readability, your spelling and punctuation are dreadful, you miss out the indefinite and definte articles and have you ever come across the apostrophe? It's a handy little device, which if not use correctly or at all, it makes understanding people's writing much harder than it needs to be.
Here's how to use it.
http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Apostrophes

Maybe if you learnt to write and communicate more clearly, it would also improve your reading comprehension as you really seem to strugle with that.

Yes Opera zoom feature is great... but all the other browsers have a zoom feature - some not as good as Opera's but its still there when you need to enlarge some hard to read text. So having a proper zoom feature is great, but not essential.Actually it is.
Two reasons
1 - The fact that several of us say we need it, means it is in fact needed. The fact that whenusing other browsers that lack Opera's features only makes you realise just how useful they are.
Just because you don't need something is of no relevance to anyone but you.
2 - Flash sites are usually the worst offenders when it comes to small text and browsers that only enlarge HTML text, simply do not work on them.
Are you simply determined to show off how little you know about the web, whilst claiming to be an expert?

As for your home page, not exactly a good advert for a web designer!

My God, how old are you 12? :loopy: And as you said, it all started when you posted about how small text was designers fault. Everyone else was talking how different browsers rendered pages.

Besides, if you want to talk about text readability, your spelling and punctuation are dreadful, you miss out the indefinite and definte articles and have you ever come across the apostrophe? It's a handy little device, which if not use correctly or at all, it makes understanding people's writing much harder than it needs to be.
Here's how to use it.
http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Apostrophes

Maybe if you learnt to write and communicate more clearly, it would also improve your reading comprehension as you really seem to strugle with that.
Hey my English is better than that of many English people my age, when you can write in Russian as well as i can in English you may criticize my language, until then you can shut it, maybe get back on topic from your spin-off too?

Well I'm better at running than a one legged mouse. Doesn't make me a good runner though. :P But as your written English is so full of mistakes, how would you even recognize better English. Plus as we are commucating in English on a Sheffield forum, your or my ability in Russian is not relevant.

However if Russian is your first language and English your second, that may explain how you managed to misunderstand so much of what has been posted. And you have misunderstood. Regardless of what languages you speak.

Well I'm better at running than a one legged mouse. Doesn't make me a good runner though. :P But as your written English is so full of mistakes, how would you even recognize better English. Plus as we are commucating in English on a Sheffield forum, your or my ability in Russian is not relevant.

However if Russian is your first language and English your second, that may explain how you managed to misunderstand so much of what has been posted. And you have misunderstood. Regardless of what languages you speak.
Perhaps, but just in case its you who misunderstood me you better get off your language high horse and run.

It's not a high horse. It's simply if you cannot write correctly or read carefully, then misunderstandings occur. As evidenced above.
BTW, being threatening is not a good way to deal with misunderstanding. No matter what language you do or don't speak.

It's not a high horse. It's simply if you cannot write correctly or read carefully, then misunderstandings occur. As evidenced above.
BTW, being threatening is not a good way to deal with misunderstanding. No matter what language you do or don't speak.
Yes, but its great when you don't take kindly to being insulted, which i don't. So keep your posts to readability issues.

Oh no i dont want to upset the almighty church of Opera, rulers of the universe. What if they send the armada of people who cant read sites on their variety of screen sizes after me?!


A loud armada of two...

Yes, but its great when you don't take kindly to being insulted, which i don't. So keep your posts to readability issues.
Don't post innacurrate, random, irrelevant posts then. :thumbsup:

BTW, being threatening is not a good way to deal with misunderstanding. No matter what language you do or don't speak.
Neither is being condescending and rude, doesn't seem to have changed your approach though...

Don't post innacurrate, random, irrelevant posts then. :thumbsup:
Thats a good thought, you should re-read your posts with it in mind.

Neither is being condescending and rude, doesn't seem to have changed your approach though...Well I gave up on being polite and reasonable after adaline repeatedly showed he had no interest in facts or a rational/accurate debate, not to mention he couldn't even be bothered to read posts he was replying to.
And if adaline doesn't want to be condescended to, maybe he should stop posting like a 12 year telling tales on his mate, when caught with his hands in sweetie jar.

this conversation is getting out of hand, i dont care anymore, we should just stop it and forget about it. just some browsers with some features, not worth fighting about.

this conversation is getting out of hand, i dont care anymore, we should just stop it and forget about it. just some browsers with some features, not worth fighting about.

Agreed, It's time to stop.:thumbsup:

LOL, after reading this thread a think a few people need some time away from a pc.

Chromium FTW.

LOL, after reading this thread a think a few people need some time away from a pc.

Chromium FTW.

It's a well documented phenomena called "Super Highway Rage!:hihi:

LOL, after reading this thread a think a few people need some time away from a pc.

Chromium FTW.

Internets is serious business. :hihi:

I had to give it a go. I'm a sucker for new software.

First thing i had to do was change the awful blue theme it comes with. Currently using: http://manhog.deviantart.com/art/Google-Chrome-theme-ZOMBRE-97039080

Now i'm using it for all my browsing. It's taking some getting used to. I keep closing tabs and i'm still getting used to the keyboard shortcuts. Firefox babysits people too much these days. Made me lazy :hihi:
I'll test if for a few weeks and see where we are then. No doubt i'll be poking around in the gubbings and breaking it a few times :suspect:

So, if GoogleUpdater does what it says on the tin (I'd assume phone home and check for updates to Google products), is that really such a bad thing? Should we be relying on users (god forbid) to patch their software when an exploit is discovered, or are Google taking an interesting stance by bundling an updater and getting things locked down as soon as a patch is available?

I don't agree with it not uninstalling, but putting that aside and assuming that the Googleupdater.exe is a an updater for Google products - is it really so bad?

So, if GoogleUpdater does what it says on the tin (I'd assume phone home and check for updates to Google products), is that really such a bad thing? Should we be relying on users (god forbid) to patch their software when an exploit is discovered, or are Google taking an interesting stance by bundling an updater and getting things locked down as soon as a patch is available?

I don't agree with it not uninstalling, but putting that aside and assuming that the Googleupdater.exe is a an updater for Google products - is it really so bad?

Well I suppose it depends on whether the Google Updater is actually just phoning home for update information, or given the type of company it is and it's apparent ambition to dominate the PC and internet markets, it wouldn't come as too much of a suprise ,if one day it was revealed that Google were doing something rather more than updating its products.
It's only speculation of course, but the possibilty is there, that it makes some users a little wary.

If you actually go on the Google website they actually have a seperate download specifically for the Google Updater which is optional.
The fact that Google have slipped in the updater in the Chrome installation without making reference to it was a little naughty, since it runs on your computer regardless if you have Chrome open or not.

If you really need an updater to patch security vunerabilities, why not follow what other browsers do, have the updater run only when you open the browser?
I for one, don't want Google updater running 24/7 on my computer.:mad:

I agree it was a little naughty - but users are lazy, so maybe Google are being proactive in protecting them. A different slant perhaps?

You have a choice with Google, you can download the stuff for free, or you don't - your choice, that's not a domination - there's plenty of alternatives to Google products out there. :)

I agree it was a little naughty - but users are lazy, so maybe Google are being proactive in protecting them. A different slant perhaps?


Yeah but if Google's main concern was being proactive in protecting the user,then they wouldn't have released Chrome, using a older version of webkit which was already discovered to have a security vunerability.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/google_chrome_vuln/

If you really need an updater to patch security vunerabilities, why not follow what other browsers do, have the updater run only when you open the browser?
I for one, don't want Google updater running 24/7 on my computer.:mad:

Same here.
The first I knew of the Google updater been installed was the constant CPU activity - that was soon got rid of, shortly followed by Google Chrome itself.

That's funny, as I have had google earth (and hence googleupdater.exe) on my box for some time and never noticed it hogging resources.

That's funny, as I have had google earth (and hence googleupdater.exe) on my box for some time and never noticed it hogging resources.

Perhaps this updater is actually an updated updater!;)

First thing i had to do was change the awful blue theme it comes with. Currently using: http://manhog.deviantart.com/art/Google-Chrome-theme-ZOMBRE-97039080
Don't blame you.
Yeuch. :gag:
The skin you use is way better.

A good review here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/04/chrome_review/

For those of you who are interested :)