Have heard there's been trouble after the match on or around bramall lane, does anyone know anything?

kicked off outside cricketers

ahh right I see. Hopefully no ones been hurt

saw a couple of taffs gettin slapped near the sportsman

Some of the Cardiff fans seemed well-drunk as they arrived at the lane.

Two minibuses that passed me, by the petrol Garage on Bramall Lane, had Cardiff fans leaning out of the windows screaming and yelling, - even at the police officers there.

Eeeejits.

(ps:- before anyone says "they pro'lly weren't Cardiff fans/ How do you know they were Cardiff fans"... the minibuses had Cardiff companies' names and phone numbers on them and the eejits had Cardiff shirts and scarves on etc.)

Cardiff fans are renowned for being eejits.

I also remember their director (?) Sam Hamman parading, in front of rival fans, at one game, mocking and gesticulating at/to them in an "inciting" manner.

Cardiff are one of the maddest clubs going pt with a very prominent firm called the soul crew, so im not really surprised there's been hassle.
Im sure there were many fists flying this evening and probably still are around the train station, and beyond.

I saw a coach window smashed up near the Railway.

I saw a load of taffs kicking off "behind police lines" prior to the match.

There is always a huge police presance whenever a Welsh team comes to the Lane.

i saw a few coach windows go through on bramall lane, taffys dint luck too pleased,what goes around....!

Oh no !!! has anyone checked the sheep at Heeley farm ?????????????

Saw absolutely nothing, and mingled with a few Caerdydd. Saw no more trouble than sometimes happens.

sorry i can't comment as i didn't go to the match cos i was ill in bed :(

was in the railway at full time. little girl came in crying said she'd been thumped by a cardiff bloke. pub emptys into back yard blades open gates and punches, bottles, glasses thrown at cardiff fans that were confronting blades. coach nearest pub had 2 windows put through. riot police fighting with blades useing battons to force them back into pub yard. most blades left then heading for london road. calmed down after that. half an hour later about 30 riot police came into back yard which by then was full of famillies more women and kids than blokes. told us to drink up and leave as the pub was being shut down. as we went through the pub and front door was met by about 50 more riot police who had circled the entrance stopping all traffic. we was all video'd as we left. some kids in tears through fear. i asked one of the tossers where were they half an hour ago when it was all kicking off. and why were they videoing women and kids in tears. just lifted his visor up and said "just doing my job"
yet again another story of coppers turning up when its all finished and getting it oh so wrong.

typical sheep sh***** smackin kids. just been on a cardiff site and it all points to the united fans kicking off the trouble yeah my a***,
i saw them taffs they wanted the trouble as did the blades but to smack kids makes them taffs real hard dunnit

I know for a fact from a cardiff friend of mine that some of their fans set off at 6am yesterday morning already pi**ed and looking for trouble. No surprise it kicked off i thought it may do. It normally does when the welsh come to town.

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sorry i can't comment as i didn't go to the match cos i was ill in bed :(

Ah, the lesser of two evils. :hihi:

we live close to bramhall lane and to say it was kickin off is an understatement!!...it was very scary.....car n coach windows goin through ....anything they could get there hands on being thrown ...fences and property being trashed . To see grown adults (if ya can call em that) acting like this over a game is pathetic...it's the first time i ever witnessed any trouble like this and can't believe they actually let the game proceed knowing the trouble it is going to bring!!! They should prosecute the clubs involved then there so called fans wouldn't have anywhere to go to act like animals and i know is only a minority of d*ck heads that spoil it but if they act like kids treat em like kids....take the ball away....but guess it's like anythin else in this world today all about the money!!

fortunately not everyone who goes to the football is a prat like the fans who were fighting.

Fortunately, the eejit element that is a small minority. Most supporters are genuine supporters who go to watch their team whether it's a win, lose or a draw.

fortunately not everyone who goes to the football is a prat like the fans who were fighting.

Fortunately, the eejit element that is a small minority. Most supporters are genuine supporters who go to watch their team whether it's a win, lose or a draw.
...and you can hardly blame the club when the trouble's outside...

I totally accept that and did say it was a minority of the supporters, but it didn't come with minimal distruction...surely the clubs have to take some responsibility to ensure they are not on putting on a recreational event that comes guaranteed with trouble (other events have had there licenses revoked for less).....keep em in the ground n give em the pitch afterwards to kick the ***** out of each other in the vacinity that brought em ere.....they could even sell tickets for the after party!! lol

I totally accept that and did say it was a minority of the supporters, but it didn't come with minimal distruction...surely the clubs have to take some responsibility to ensure they are not on putting on a recreational event that comes guaranteed with trouble (other events have had there licenses revoked for less).....keep em in the ground n give em the pitch afterwards to kick the ***** out of each other in the vacinity that brought em ere.....they could even sell tickets for the after party!! lol

Re the Prats that attend matches when they are drunk as skunks:-

it is illegal to be intoxicated in a football stadium, so perhaps a breathalyser on the turnstiles might be a help, :wink: with a black maria on hand to deal with those who fail? As I said in my earlier post, the eejits who were "acting up" in the minibuses and coaches that passed me by the Petrol station on Bramall Lane were quite obviously drunk. if I'd have been the police, that they were jeering and gesticulating at, I'd have been waiting, as they left their coaches and minibuses;

"I'll have you:- you're nicked, D&D/ D&I. I'll have you for D&D, too, and you...!"

*wonders*

they have dogs that can sniff out drugs. some can find money, others that can find cadavers...

do you think they'd be able to train a "sniffs out P' - artists" police dog, too?"

fortunately not everyone who goes to the football is a prat like the fans who were fighting.

Fortunately, the eejit element that is a small minority. Most supporters are genuine supporters who go to watch their team whether it's a win, lose or a draw.

and not every fan who was fighting is a prat. kids were being hit dads were standing there ground. been going in the railway for years blokes that i regard as placid decent people were getting involved and rightly so. you cant let wesh inbred dicks go round slapping kids.

Cardiff wreck wherever they go, they do seem to have disregard for any fan, which is disturbing really, hitting kids is out of order and if the trouble was as bad as it sounds then i reckon there may be a few knocks on peoples doors in the next few weeks, coppers have got cameras all over now, take it from someone with experiance.

was in the railway at full time. little girl came in crying said she'd been thumped by a cardiff bloke. pub emptys into back yard blades open gates and punches, bottles, glasses thrown at cardiff fans that were confronting blades. coach nearest pub had 2 windows put through. riot police fighting with blades useing battons to force them back into pub yard. most blades left then heading for london road. calmed down after that. half an hour later about 30 riot police came into back yard which by then was full of famillies more women and kids than blokes. told us to drink up and leave as the pub was being shut down. as we went through the pub and front door was met by about 50 more riot police who had circled the entrance stopping all traffic. we was all video'd as we left. some kids in tears through fear. i asked one of the tossers where were they half an hour ago when it was all kicking off. and why were they videoing women and kids in tears. just lifted his visor up and said "just doing my job"
yet again another story of coppers turning up when its all finished and getting it oh so wrong.

That's just typical of the daft policing policy we have to put up with. Instead of targeting the real hooligans we all have to suffer.

saw a bit of trouble , and i must say, if my lad who was with me and is autistic, had have been slapped i would have stood my ground like the dads were its natural to protect our siblings i just think there were sour grapes on the inbred welsh fans part for the beating they got a couple of years ago on bramall lane near the church. so they lowered there repitation even more by slapping kids

Can anyone explain why Welsh teams are allowed to sing racist antiEnglish songs, if they sang offensive songs about any other race they would be find banned the lot, but us English have to put up with it,is it any wonder the lot goes every time they come to Bramall Lane when they are allowed to insult a country that subsidis's em & keeps em in clean underpants!

how much of the violence was cardiff fans? we all know every club has a minority that go out looking for a fight, just wondering how much of it was down to the cardiff fans

how much of the violence was cardiff fans? we all know every club has a minority that go out looking for a fight, just wondering how much of it was down to the cardiff fans

That was my point, the bbc are also one of the most prominent football hooligan firms in the country.
Bet it wasn't a pretty scene yesterday to be honest.:(

saw a bit of trouble , and i must say, if my lad who was with me and is autistic, had have been slapped i would have stood my ground like the dads were its natural to protect our siblingss

Then why wouldn't you protect him by trying to get him out of the way, instead of standing your ground and exposing him to further violence? :huh:

Can anyone explain why Welsh teams are allowed to sing racist antiEnglish songs, if they sang offensive songs about any other race they would be find banned the lot, but us English have to put up with it,is it any wonder the lot goes every time they come to Bramall Lane when they are allowed to insult a country that subsidis's em & keeps em in clean underpants!

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .

can never understand why away fans are not kept back when its obvious trouble is brewing.
is it the club or police who decide?

Its the Police and i can safley say now that the Cardiff fans get escorted all around the Country, just like Millwall n Leeds, so it seems to me and from what ive been hearing from other Blades fans that United fans were waiting to ambush the Cardiff fans as they were getting lead to the ground.
I wasn't there but thats what i can put together from the whispers.

Then why wouldn't you protect him by trying to get him out of the way, instead of standing your ground and exposing him to further violence? :huh:

jesus wept what kind of an idiot are you. blades that were hit by cardiff fans after the game were walking back to bus stops, cars going to the pub for pop and crisp with their mums, dads, brothers, etc how is that exposing them to violence. you really want to start going out.

Its the Police and i can safley say now that the Cardiff fans get escorted all around the Country, just like Millwall n Leeds, so it seems to me and from what ive been hearing from other Blades fans that United fans were waiting to ambush the Cardiff fans as they were getting lead to the ground.
I wasn't there but thats what i can put together from the whispers.

the trouble in the railway had nothing to do with the bbc. it started with cardiff fans throwing things into the railway back yard and hitting kids. they did'nt expect what came back at them. police came into the blade fans with battons raised instead of getting cardiff fans on to their coaches and away. this went on for a good half hour.

Typical Bottlers then the coppers, Cardiff are tossers.

Then why wouldn't you protect him by trying to get him out of the way, instead of standing your ground and exposing him to further violence? :huh:

And that's always possible? Sometimes, fella, I can't believe how obtuse you can be.

the trouble in the railway had nothing to do with the bbc. it started with cardiff fans throwing things into the railway back yard and hitting kids. they did'nt expect what came back at them. police came into the blade fans with battons raised instead of getting cardiff fans on to their coaches and away. this went on for a good half hour.

We were lucky then, as we went straight down to the Earl for a snifter. I'm glad too, as it was my youngest's first season ticket match, so I'm glad she didn't see any naughtiness.

I can say though, I saw, and heard bugger all.

We were lucky then, as we went straight down to the Earl for a snifter. I'm glad too, as it was my youngest's first season ticket match, so I'm glad she didn't see any naughtiness.

I can say though, I saw, and heard bugger all.


like i said mate about 5:45 riot police entered the railway emptied it and shut it down. they must have been between 60 to 80 riot police vans, horses, job lot to empty a pub full of mums, dads, kids, i video'd it on my mobile no groups of lads at all. over handed policing again. went up to the sheldon and a lad up there was saying the lion had also been closed. just been reading on another website a mini bus of wendy was attacked by cardiff fans at a service station on there way home from swansea. suppose it was there own fault by exposing themselves to violence for wanting a wee. :)

Went to Howard after game and saw nothing at all.

just been reading on another website a mini bus of wendy was attacked by cardiff fans at a service station on there way home from swansea. suppose it was there own fault by exposing themselves to violence for wanting a wee. :)

Innocent victims the Wednesday fans, you should know that BB!!

well if the mini bus was attacked then of course they were. i dont believe all the violence was down to cardiff fans but i bet alot of it was,

Innocent victims the Wednesday fans, you should know that BB!!

i've copied and pasted the pigs post mate. had to edit the swearing as he is a proper little potty mouth :)



im a wednesday FAN, not BOY or any kind of hooligan, we stopped off at a service station in birmingham on the way back from swansea, and when we got off our mini bus we were greeted by about 20 cardiff, they asked us where we'd been and we told them. There was a bit of bantor about how s**t swansea is and since there were only 8 of us, there didnt seem to be any harm in this.

All of a sudden one lad started pouncing towards one of my mates, swinging, then a few more joined in. My mate was shouting "im not after it" and when i went to try and stop it got chased into the service station by about 10 of them lol, we all managed to go into the service station.

all seemed to have died down until 2 of them, 45-year olds one bald with a ligh blue and white striped polo shirt started chasing us around the service station. These were an absolute set of w*****s and it was totally uncalled for. They were proud that they had "put the windows through of a pub in sheffield" and were just total w*****s weilding knives, for once i hope u lot sorted them out, they are the scum of the f****** earth.

Re the Prats that attend matches when they are drunk as skunks:-

it is illegal to be intoxicated in a football stadium, so perhaps a breathalyser on the turnstiles might be a help,

What is a breathalyzer going to prove though? That they've had something to drink?

It won't work out if said person is drunk or not.

if I'd have been the police, that they were jeering and gesticulating at, I'd have been waiting, as they left their coaches and minibuses;

"I'll have you:- you're nicked, D&D/ D&I. I'll have you for D&D, too, and you...!"

This is where problems start. Whilst I agree that the "fans" shouldn't be doing this, if the coppers started wading in and arresting people in a big load, that is when you cause a riot.

As for the trouble. I had a good ol watch from my window. It was all rather peaceful at first, bit of cheering and chanting and banter, when all of a sudden a bloke starts on a copper, copper cracks him with a baton and then it all went from there. One bloke got stood on by a horse, things seem to be being thrown in to railway back yard, so pints and chairs and stools started coming back, with 2 of the windows getting smashed. Then the Cardiff fans were booting the gate down to the backyard of the railway, all this was happened whilst CC fans where fighting with police still.

Further up the road though, a load of people started charging towards the Golden Lion, there was somewhere in region of about 50 Cardiff fans doing this, when about 5/6 blades charged down towards them. The CC fans backed off, but one of them had had his face smashed open.

I'm not just saying this, but this was not the Blades' fans fault on Bramall Lane.

Then why wouldn't you protect him by trying to get him out of the way, instead of standing your ground and exposing him to further violence? :huh:

i was not involved in the trouble i just saw it kicking off and trust me i did get him away sharpish. i was just saying if he had been slapped then i would have done the same as the dad of the young girl

I drink in the Golden Lion after the games, and believe me this is not a hooligan pub. I had to walk through the Cardiff fans to get to the pub and you could tell there was going to be trouble, they were mouthing off and slapping young lads who were wearing Utd shirts. The next thing the police arrive on foot and horse, cosh a couple of them and arrest one, then get them all on their buses, then there’s a big roar and all the police chase off down the road, to the trouble at the railway I presume, now the cardiff fans get back out of the buses and start to come up the road towards the golden lion next thing, like you say 5 to 6 Blades run down to meet them and where completely outnumbered and a couple of them got a good kicking but they backed cardiff off and after about 5 minutes of this the police eventually come back and get all the cardiff back on their buses. I don’t condone what those Blades lads did but if they hadn’t then Cardiff would have been at the top of the road and at the doors of the pub and the situation would have been much much worse, especially for the cardiff fans as there must have been 150 blokes in and around the pub. But there’s always trouble whenever Cardiff come and wherever they go, they are total scumbags.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Five-hurt-as-Blades39-fans.4451574.jp

fireworks,urine,now bottles :o i dont know whos to blame but the lane is getting a bad rep for away fans to attend you naughty blades you
:D

I didn't see any trouble just a handful of Cardiff fans surrounded by Police at the bottom of Bramall Lane singing their anti English songs.

Its like when Wednesday came, you can expect to walk down Bramall Lane giving the big em then cry like bitches when you get some back.

If Cardiff fans are going to start slapping youngsters with shirts on do you expect the kids dads or fellow supporters not to react?

I didn't see any trouble just a handful of Cardiff fans surrounded by Police at the bottom of Bramall Lane singing their anti English songs.

Its like when Wednesday came, you can expect to walk down Bramall Lane giving the big em then cry like bitches when you get some back.

If Cardiff fans are going to start slapping youngsters with shirts on do you expect the kids dads or fellow supporters not to react?

maybe you should write to the star and put the blades point of view across :thumbsup:

you = me ? if so i dont attend bramall lane for any game which i have stated before

the railway is a familly pub on match days. coaches park on bramall lane and outside the railway every home game. took my kids in for the last 8 years at least and never known it happen before.

same old 6 fingered banjo playing boyos from the valleys to blame me thinks.

I totally accept that and did say it was a minority of the supporters, but it didn't come with minimal distruction...surely the clubs have to take some responsibility to ensure they are not on putting on a recreational event that comes guaranteed with trouble (other events have had there licenses revoked for less).....keep em in the ground n give em the pitch afterwards to kick the ***** out of each other in the vacinity that brought em ere.....they could even sell tickets for the after party!! lol

How can you Blame the club when it's Cardiff who kick off every time they come to sheffield why should our club be punished because these numptys cannot go anywhere without fighting.

Sounds a bit 'six of one half a dozen of the other' to me, what I would rather see these wannabee 'hard men' do is fight 'toe to toe' in a field eastern european style cos the bottle throwing, dance around, halfwits are an embarrassment, if planned correctly there would be no need for all them coppers to be on 'overtime' at our expense !

Sounds a bit 'six of one half a dozen of the other' to me, what I would rather see these wannabee 'hard men' do is fight 'toe to toe'


but this was'nt wannabee hard men. it was blokes having a beer with their families i was with the mrs, a mate with 2 kids aged 15, and 11. my mrs friend a 26 year old young lady social services worker, my brothers grandkids and in laws. when missiles started coming over the wall into the back beer garden. this was'nt organised football hooliganism but bullying sheep worriers trying it on and coming off 2nd best.

I was generalising mate, not having a go at innocent people who are on the end of it !
But if people retaliated the same way and other innocents get caught up in it no one can justify taking high moral ground !

but this was'nt wannabee hard men. it was blokes having a beer with their families i was with the mrs, a mate with 2 kids aged 15, and 11. my mrs friend a 26 year old young lady social services worker, my brothers grandkids and in laws. when missiles started coming over the wall into the back beer garden. this was'nt organised football hooliganism but bullying sheep worriers trying it on and coming off 2nd best.

aint it like throwing urine dont you think some off it went on kids and the parents might be a bit upset about it
i know i would be our you would be if somebody threw urine on your kids

I was generalising mate, not having a go at innocent people who are on the end of it !
But if people retaliated the same way and other innocents get caught up in it no one can justify taking high moral ground !


i agree 2 wrongs dont make a right. but when kids are hurt and frightened and on the spur of the moment reason goes out of the window. if cardiff fans would have come out of the ground got on their coaches there would have been no trouble at all.

i agree 2 wrongs dont make a right. but when kids are hurt and frightened and on the spur of the moment reason goes out of the window. if cardiff fans would have come out of the ground got on their coaches there would have been no trouble at all.

On that i do agree !

aint it like throwing urine dont you think some off it went on kids and the parents might be a bit upset about it
i know i would be our you would be if somebody threw urine on your kids

think a lot of that was tit for tat what with bottles being thrown out of the north stand at the sty into the leppings lane end. not claiming united fans are innocent far from it. but the thread is about the cardiff game and non hooligans getting involved. if you want to go down that road we can bring up a united fan being murdered by a wendy fan at wembley. (think his parents might have been a tad upset) its never ending so lets keep on topic.

your right fella but what im trying to say is it dont take much to incite trouble and inocent people get involved
as you say 2 wrongs dont make a right so its not a case of who did what first
but after this im glad i aint a blade and wont be taking my kids to cardiff for the away fixture
when does it end
you did this to us so we are going to do that to you thats how these people think and you know it aswell as i do it wont end even if somebody get killed or seriously injured
i for one have never thrown anything at football its just plain stupid and mindless

:D
united fans and bramall lane are getting a bad press from all this maybe some off you should write your version of what happend to the newspapers

:D
united fans and bramall lane are getting a bad press from all this maybe some off you should write your version of what happend to the newspapers


i'm sure some will but dealings i've had with police and press i would'nt give them time of day. but thats for another thread ;)

Just to add my two pennysworth.

Football rivalries should be left out of threads like these.

Hooliganism at football matches is just wrong, the lowest of the low. I hope that whatever went off near Bramall Lane did not end up with someone getting seriously hurt.

i saw it all as i was late coming out of the ticket office,both sets of fans were at it as well as a gang of local youths who were chucking stuff at the cardif fans,what i did notice & have noticed for a couple of seasons is the old bill seem to let things go a lot further than what they used to,you only had to look at an away fan & they would be on top of you,its alright lettin it kick off so you can get someone bang to rights on video but this wasnt the usual stone island wearing hoolys ,it was as it has already been pointed out normal blades!

if all this happened, just think about Wednesdays last game of the season, on a sunday. Wednesday will have a big attendence and cardiff will bring probably twice as many as they took to the lane. Lets hope we dont see a repeat of this, 1,000+ sheep shaggers looking for trouble.

Also, united still got to go to cardiff, somehow i dont think that game will go without incident!

if all this happened, just think about Wednesdays last game of the season, on a sunday. Wednesday will have a big attendence and cardiff will bring probably twice as many as they took to the lane. Lets hope we dont see a repeat of this, 1,000+ sheep shaggers looking for trouble.

Also, united still got to go to cardiff, somehow i dont think that game will go without incident!

Hopefully they'll be more genuine fans, as it's the last game of the season, rather than the minority of football fans who belong to those that travel up and down the country looking for trouble.

Hopefully they'll be more genuine fans, as it's the last game of the season, rather than the minority of football fans who belong to those that travel up and down the country looking for trouble.

In all my years of going Ian I think the 1st match of the season and the last match have the worst potential for trouble with loads of mid season trouble when the local derbies are being played.

In all my years of going Ian I think the 1st match of the season and the last match have the worst potential for trouble with loads of mid season trouble when the local derbies are being played.

There goes my optimism then! :suspect:

There goes my optimism then! :suspect:

Sorry to burst your bubble about there being no trouble the last match of the season.... I have seen loads of trouble with the Blades away. Birmingham and Brighton the last matches of the season come to mind... Brighton was pretty much an all day and night session :hihi::hihi:
Back then everyone copped for it not like today when its like minded people who search for each other even though as you can tell from this thread the odd shirter gets clipped once in a while as happens at the Sheffield derbys

with it on a sunday also, every one getting drunk as skunks, mid-day kick off. all afternoon to get drunk and cause havoc unfortunately

http://watford.rivals.net/forum/pgePosts.aspx?boardId=104&clubId=85&threadId=212763&pageNumber=1&#AnchorComment

sorry to fetch this back to the top but i did not want to start another thread
check out the watford rivals site and see what these so called fans posting crap about the 2 guys that died in a car accident after the coventry game

i knew some people were sick but god how shocking is this
not seen much trouble at hillsbourgh for years but this could stoke some fires :rant:

http://watford.rivals.net/forum/pgePosts.aspx?threadId=213624&boardId=104&clubId=85 5th post :rant::mad:

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sorry to fetch this back to the top but i did not want to start another thread
check out the watford rivals site and see what these so called fans posting crap about the 2 guys that died in a car accident after the coventry game

i knew some people were sick but god how shocking is this
not seen much trouble at hillsbourgh for years but this could stoke some fires :rant:

http://watford.rivals.net/forum/pgePosts.aspx?threadId=213624&boardId=104&clubId=85 5th post :rant::mad:


understand what yer saying mac and its very very wrong. but its gone on for years and will never ever stop. fans have taunted man utd over the munich air disaster for years. (did'nt wendy once have car and coach windows put through at old trafford one year for making aeroplane gestures). man utd taunt liverpool over hillsbrough and the death of bill shankley. a leeds fan i know who went to hillsbrough other year said wendy fans in the north stand were taunting them about the 2 deaths of their fans in istanbull it was all over leeds websites about pay back time at elland road. in the main these chants are done by younger ones i believe. people who are too young to have lost anyone close to them so dont fully realise. (you never do till it happens to you) i've been guilty off it myself early 70's against cardiff, united fans were singing about abberfan i joined in to be "clever" but not knowing anything about it. grown up a little bit now so stick to slagging you lot about your sh*te club and team ;)

understand what yer saying mac and its very very wrong. but its gone on for years and will never ever stop. fans have taunted man utd over the munich air disaster for years. (did'nt wendy once have car and coach windows put through at old trafford one year for making aeroplane gestures). man utd taunt liverpool over hillsbrough and the death of bill shankley. a leeds fan i know who went to hillsbrough other year said wendy fans in the north stand were taunting them about the 2 deaths of their fans in istanbull it was all over leeds websites about pay back time at elland road. in the main these chants are done by younger ones i believe. people who are too young to have lost anyone close to them so dont fully realise. (you never do till it happens to you) i've been guilty off it myself early 70's against cardiff, united fans were singing about abberfan i joined in to be "clever" but not knowing anything about it. grown up a little bit now so stick to slagging you lot about your sh*te club and team ;)

yep your right fella i was at old trampford that night
nothing to do with munich what WE were doing (not on my part anyway) doing the dam busters theme
i saw grown men taunting and spitting in kids faces i had a young nephew with me pulled him away got on our coach. that night still puts manure on the top of my hate list
including your very very good team :D