I'm new to this forum but am hoping someone can help.
My grandmother's sister May Jewell married a Sheffield lad and lived on Little London Road, Heeley in the 1930's & 40's. Her husband was called Harry (don't know surname). I have found a marriage for a May Jewel and John Garbutt in 1924 and was wondering if they were the same couple (Harry might have been a nickname or family name).
Does anyone remember Little London Road at that time? I'm told they lived in back to back houses (they're probably not there any more). Does anyone have any old photos of that area?
My problem is that I don't know anything about my grandmother except that she was born in London (somewhere!!) and she had this sister.
I would really appreciate any help. Many thanks in advance
Sandy

Welcome to the forum Sandy :thumbsup:

Try doing a search for the Heeley History Group

Thanks carcrash - I will look at that one.

Hi Sandy,

This is the link to the Broomhill Local History Group

http://www.broomhillonline.org.uk/BANG_09.htm


They might know of the other local history groups around Sheffield.............

G

You dont say where you are located,
first port of call would be Sheffield city library to look up the electoral roll for Little London road,

there are a few addresses in business directories but not residential.

what was your grandmothers first name, someone could link her to May.

My grandmother's name was Ethel Hampton (nee Jewell). She lived in Mexborough after marrying.
I live in Doncaster so will have to make a visit to the library soon I think. As I don't know the area where Ethel & May were born I am finding it difficult to get even a birth date for them.
If I could get the father's name from the marriage certificate I could get a little further maybe.
Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.
Sandy

hi sandy, it's really interesting, isn't it, trying to research your family history. I have unearthed no end of stories about my grandparents and g-grandparents.

Little London Road still exists, but there's no housing on it, anymore, and hasn't been for as long as I can remember (which is almost 40 years). Any buildings on the road are industrial, these days, not residential. (I can tell you, however that most of that area had housing, until about 30 yrs ago, broadfield road and its environs)

I believe that the housing was razed, sometime in the late 1950s or the 60s as part of the council's redevelopment policy of clearing what were considered "slums",( particularly the back-to-back housing which was considered worse than the ordinary 2-up, 2-down terraced houses.)

hope this helps?

PT

Thanks PT.
All these little bits of info help to build up a picture of how life was back then. I remember the 2 up 2 down terraces as I lived in one but I hadn't heard of the back to back houses until recently.
Sandy

pt you are wrong there was still houses on little london rd in the 70s my ex nieghbour was living there towards the end of the 70s is when they were demolished

thanks for that, maggy irene, i stand corrected.

that was my stamping ground, and I honestly did not remember housing on there.

PT

i have a photo of me & my late brother right at the end of little london road (chesterfield rd ) from 1974 if your interested.

Is this (http://www.oldheeley.supanet.com/) of any use to you?

There used to be a big railway marshalling yard there.
I can remember, as a child laying in bed hearing the steam engines (shunters) assembling the goods trains.

Strix
Thanks for the link - I have looked at it before but had no luck in finding people. It is a very interesting and informative site though.
The problem with fairly recent family history is that not much info is on the internet so it means lots of trips to libraries etc.
I will keep on plugging away at it in the hope that someone may remember the GARBUTTS of HEELEY!
Thanks again
Sandy

Kelly's 1925 has a MISS May Garbett, Photographer, 3 Moscar cottages, Abbeydale, Mil(lhouses).

But I think the 'miss' shows that that not her.


No john, harry or May Garbutt listed in kellys 1925,31 or 48

Edit: BTW all these directories show no private housing on Little London rd, just business address's.

I must admit that I can't recollect any houses on Little London road itself. There were two or three little roads though in the area which is now the tile? shop/warehouse and where the new retail sector now is. These roadds had a footpath connecting them to Little London road which still exists.
At the other end of Little London road as it approaches Woodseats road there are rear gardens on the left but the house addresses are not Little London road obviously.

Wallbuilder
Is Heeley Green a different part of Heeley 'cos my uncle remembers going to Heeley Green once.

The actual address was 11 Little London Road. I don't know how long they lived there (that is the only address I have for them) but they were there during WWII years at least.

Sandy

Heeley Green is a bit further up the hill towards Gleadless but is within easy walking distance of Little London road.
I can remember the houses just off Little London road at the Chesterfield road end but can't think of any houses facing the road. There is now a tile shop called [I think] grahams on that bit of land and it is a reasonably new structure built within the last twenty years and I can't for the life of me think what stood on Little London road in that area before that.

Am I right in thinking Tyzack's had a factory at Little London? I remember trainspotting there, when it was wet, as there was a covered ride which led to Broadfield Road.
Abbey Glen laundry was just a bit further up the back road.

Just been looking on multimap and it looks as though the little dead end road that ran off Chesterfield road just up from Little London road and Arnold Lavers was also called Little london road. The next one on from that was Windsor road. This may explain why no-one can remember houses on the Little London road that runs over to Woodsseats road.
Tyzacks was indeed there but is long gone, the public footpath leading to Broadfield road is still there and they've just recently put in a new road connecting broadfield road and Little London road. They've built several ugly buildings on the old Tyzacks site including a Virgin gym. I liked the area as wasteland as it was mostly fenced off and so was a great area for walking the dog. Abbey Glen and Stokes the paint manufacturers are still going strong.

Originally posted by CHAIRBOY
Am I right in thinking Tyzack's had a factory at Little London? I remember trainspotting there, when it was wet, as there was a covered ride which led to Broadfield Road.


My grandfather worked at Tyzacks and I went to several of their kids Christmas parties in the 40s. The footpath to Broadfield Road went through Tyzacks under an archway and then onto a wooden footbridge over the river. Very useful shortcut that.

Millhouses station was better for trainspotting, - staff didn't bother us and you could sometimes sneak down to the engine sheds ;)

I remember once walking all the way up Little London road to Smithy Wood where the steps went up to Chesterfield road, but can't for the life of me remember the houses along there.

Thanks to everyone who has replied to my post.
My next train of thought to try and find the GARBUTT family is to find a cemetery where they might be buried.

Presuming they stayed at Little London Road until their deaths where would the most probable cemetery be?

I think I may have found a death date for John Garbutt in 1955. I haven't received the certificate yet with exact date on but I am hoping it is him.
I don't know when his wife May died but if I can find John's grave she may be buried with him.

All I know so far is May Garbutt (nee Jewell) was born 1898/99 possibly in London/Kent. Married John Robert Garbutt in 1922 at St Paul's Church Norton Lees.
I think John Garbutt was born in 1902 in Norton Lees.

Any further help would be very much appreciated
Sandy

You could try looking for Death Certificates

If the family are buried in a council cemetary such as Abbey Lane or City road then your best bet would be to book an appointment to use one of the microfilm machines in the Sheffield Archives on Shoreham Street. [tel. 2039395]
The council do not keep records of people buried in church graveyards so you'd have to contact the church directly. There's another possible council cemetary at Intake on Mansfield road but I can't remember what it's name is.

Wallbuilder,

it is actually Intake Cemetery, on Mansfield Road, an uncle and aunt of mine are buried there.

(There's also a council cemetery at Shiregreen, for the info of the questioner)

PT

Originally posted by Greybeard
My grandfather worked at Tyzacks and I went to several of their kids Christmas parties in the 40s. The footpath to Broadfield Road went through Tyzacks under an archway and then onto a wooden footbridge over the river. Very useful shortcut that.



My Dad worked at Tyzack's for over 30 years. He started working there at the age of 14 round about 1920. I don't remember any Christmas parties but I do remember the annual sports day at the Nags Head in Dronfield.

Originally posted by CHAIRBOY
Am I right in thinking Tyzack's had a factory at Little London? I remember trainspotting there, when it was wet, as there was a covered ride which led to Broadfield Road.
Abbey Glen laundry was just a bit further up the back road. My Mum worked at Tyzaks & I played football for Abby Glen at Millhouses.

This morning I received the death certificate for John Robert Garbutt.

He was living at 28 Keswick Road, Millhouses when he died on 3rd December 1955.

Does this ring any bells with anyone?

Bearing in mind i'm not 100% sure this is THE John Robert Garbutt, but if anyone recalls this family in Millhouses then I would appreciate any more info (especially if he had a wife called May).

Thanks again
Sandy

If you look up the 1890 map of Sheffield it does not show Little London Road at all. There is a mill pond and various buildings.
I can only remember factories (Laycocks?) and bomb sites, as well as the railway sidings.
I seem to remember houses towards the end at Woodseats Road

Hi I was born and raised at the bottom of Valley Rd untill 1973 ,I used to play with a " Steven Garbutt" Who lived on Little London in the fifties and sixties.
It has got to be the same Family but I cant tell you any more about them
I to remember the sound of trains in the shunting yard and worked at Tyzack sons and Turners till 1973.A bad house fire killed an elderly lady in the early sixties at the bottom of Little London Rd.
Best of luck
Regards
David S Downing

Not much help, 1963 dir.--28 Keswick road L.GARBUTT
not there in 1948

Hi Sandy1 welcome to the forum.
I was born on Little London Road in 1948. We moved from there in 1963 when they pulled down the houses.
My family name is Garbutt, my father was called Walter. I can't remember a John Garbutt. My mums name was Kathleen.

My father worked at Tyzak sons and Turners as a scythe grinder having previously worked at the,what is now a industrial museum at millhouses,until 1940. Tyzaks was Little London works and was located at the end of Little London Rd. You could walk along a Jennel to Heeley baths passing by Tyzaks and over a bridge which spanned the Sheaf. The baths were located just behind the Abbeydale picture house.

A bomb dropped at the end of Little London Rd. on Chesterfield Road,my elder brother and I were in Heeley picture house during the Thursday Blitz and we heard that bomb come screeming down as we stood in the foyer.We were dragged by a large policeman into the shelter under the railway arches.

Hi Sandy1
You say the John Garbutt you are looking for lived at 11 Lttle London Road, well that was my address. My mum and dad lived their through the war years. they had six sons, two of them died,(John and Bobby) The other four sons were called, Ian, James, Stephen and Martin

My Father was called Walter Frederick Garbutt, he used to worked at Tyzacks as a grinder, until he retired at 65. He also did bar work at the Crown inn on chesterfield road for many years

As I said in my last reply we left Little London Road in the 60's and moved upto Lowedges estate. My dad, died in 1979 and was cremated at Hutcliffe wood cemetery, which is near Millhouses

Hi Sandy1 welcome to the forum.
I was born on Little London Road in 1948. We moved from there in 1963 when they pulled down the houses.
My family name is Garbutt, my father was called Walter. I can't remember a John Garbutt. My mums name was Kathleen. hi jauntyone a friend of mine at school i think used to live on little london road his name was brian gallagher did you know him ? he would have been born about 1950 and i think would have lived there 1950s / early 60s .

there was little london road the next was little london place and the third street was windsor place. there was a gennel that was at the bottom of little london rd, this lead to all three streets it ran along side of the old coal yard.
it was our meeting place early 60's

hi tinker,

Can't remember a brian gallagher. which school did he go to?

Iremember the scotts, the keys, the housleys, gambles, to name just a few.

but very interesting tinker, thanks for your interest.

hi david downing

I saw your thread on here about steven garbutt, I think I know you. Do you remember working on a farm at coal aston, I think it was syclebrook farm, well I used to work there, in fact it was you who introduced me to the farm, on saturdays. My name is Jim garbutt

Hope to here from you if you remember, you can e mail me on jauntyone_188@hotmail.com

hi tinker,

Can't remember a brian gallagher. which school did he go to?

Iremember the scotts, the keys, the housleys, gambles, to name just a few.

but very interesting tinker, thanks for your interest. i sent you a pm jaunty .

As I recall, Little London Road ran from London Road/Chesterfield Rd opposite the bottom of Meersbrook Park Road, down towards the railway bridge Under the bridge it did a sharp left turn and ran parallel to the railway then back under the line (at the bottom of Rydal Rd near Abbey Glen laundery. It was then just a track under the 'Rocks' - the old quarry. Where it ran by the railway it was known locally as 'Pick Lane' from the Hardy Patent Pick works.

By the way, these covered rides and footpaths from Little London Rd. Doesn't anybody up there call them 'gennells' any more?

Jauntyone
Sent you a pm. Hope you can help but no names sound familiar so far (except surname!)

Regards
Sandy

Hi I was born and raised at the bottom of Valley Rd untill 1973 ,I used to play with a " Steven Garbutt" Who lived on Little London in the fifties and sixties.
It has got to be the same Family but I cant tell you any more about them
I to remember the sound of trains in the shunting yard and worked at Tyzack sons and Turners till 1973.A bad house fire killed an elderly lady in the early sixties at the bottom of Little London Rd.
Best of luck
Regards
David S Downing
Hi, so you used to play with me when we were both kids. The name rings a bell but I just cant place you - If you like contact me via my MSN addy in my profile and we can have a chat - Steve

Hi Sandie1 My husbands grandparents lived in Little London Road, their name was Needham. He remembers the name Garbutt.

I'm new to this forum but am hoping someone can help.
My grandmother's sister May Jewell married a Sheffield lad and lived on Little London Road, Heeley in the 1930's & 40's. Her husband was called Harry (don't know surname). I have found a marriage for a May Jewel and John Garbutt in 1924 and was wondering if they were the same couple (Harry might have been a nickname or family name).
Does anyone remember Little London Road at that time? I'm told they lived in back to back houses (they're probably not there any more). Does anyone have any old photos of that area?
My problem is that I don't know anything about my grandmother except that she was born in London (somewhere!!) and she had this sister.
I would really appreciate any help. Many thanks in advance
Sandy


Sandy, May Jewell and John Garbutt were my grandparents. My father was Ernie Garbutt, he had a brother Lesley and a sister Stella they also had a young brother (Tommy?) who died aged 2 or 3. Sadly, my father died last year. Please contact me.
Anita

Hi Sandie1 My husbands grandparents lived in Little London Road, their name was Needham. He remembers the name Garbutt.

And my father regularly spoke of a Needham. My father Ernie, was a bit of a tearaway.

Hi - not sure if anyone is still reading this post, but the lady referred to by David S Dowling who died in a house fire, was my great grandmother Clara Degney (nee Harrison). It happened in 1963 - she was 86 and I think that she was going to bed with a candle (she insisted on still using candles as she was old and stuck in her ways). This obviously caught little. It was on the front page of the Sheffield Star.

I think the Harrison family lived at Little London Road for a good 60 years - Clara was registered as living there with her husband in 1911 and before that, her parents Ben and Mary Harrison also lived there.

Clara's children were Ernest, Frank, Lily, Evelyn, John and Sid Degney, if anyone remembers the family.

I lived in Heeley when I started work at Laycocks in 1957. I used to walk home down little London road,and unless they were at the Chesterfield road end where Gresham's now stands, I can't remember passing any houses at all..