A few years ago, before prince Naz got famous he gave me one of his old trophies to auction off for the charity "Guide dogs for the blind".

Naz, did not know me at all, and took my word on trust.
Thank you Naz for helping blind people, Whatever colour. :thumbsup:

Is it still on your mantlepiece then? :hihi:

Originally posted by Strix
Is it still on your mantlepiece then? :hihi:

Mantlepiece, no, not got a posh house.

I just voted in your poll, although I strongly suspect somebody may ask what correlation there is between the poll and Nas giving you a trophy to auction. Afterall, he isn't asian, he is arab :)

Originally posted by 1Man&hisBMW
I just voted in your poll, although I strongly suspect somebody may ask what correlation there is between the poll and Nas giving you a trophy to auction. Afterall, he isn't asian, he is arab :)


i thought he was a sheffielder:confused: :confused: :confused:

The point of the poll is that most people stereotype Naz as been Asian.

My wording might not be brill, but the point was that Naz is a good lad, and everone seems to be slagging him off.

Originally posted by kirky
i thought he was a sheffielder:confused: :confused: :confused:

He is, I'm talking about his background though :) Sheffielder, British, Arab... all three I suppose.

i do not think many asians would get a guide dog, i have found that most of them tend to be scared of dogs and i have have been told this is due to some part of the religion saying dogs are evil???

does anyone know if this is true?

I have voted yes that I have seen an asian with a guide dog. And I can recall thinking when I saw the man ' ooh I don't think I have ever seen an Asian man with a guide dog before...' Though that sadly makes me a right racist for noticing in the first place.

Prince Naz is seems an alright bloke though a little cocky but he couldn't have been the fighter he was without some attitude. But he is lethal with his cars as is one of his brothers. Scare the live of me when I see them - total disregard for others on the road

Originally posted by savbaby
i do not think many asians would get a guide dog, i have found that most of them tend to be scared of dogs and i have have been told this is due to some part of the religion saying dogs are evil???

does anyone know if this is true?

when i walk my dogs past weltheof school most mornings the asian kids get really scared of the dogs..they cross over the road or walk right round me...sod knows why coz the dogs have never shown aggression to any of the kids.

Originally posted by savbaby
i do not think many asians would get a guide dog, i have found that most of them tend to be scared of dogs and i have have been told this is due to some part of the religion saying dogs are evil???

does anyone know if this is true?

Whats the alternative, A guide rabbit? :hihi:

Originally posted by savbaby
i do not think many asians would get a guide dog, i have found that most of them tend to be scared of dogs and i have have been told this is due to some part of the religion saying dogs are evil???

does anyone know if this is true?

Wow, what religion might that be?

Originally posted by 1Man&hisBMW
Wow, what religion might that be?

it was actually a good asian friend of mine who said this but as he was always joking around i am unsure that its true so i was asking any asians who are on forum if they could clear this up..

Originally posted by savbaby
it was actually a good asian friend of mine who said this but as he was always joking around i am unsure that its true so i was asking any asians who are on forum if they could clear this up..

Hmm interesting :D See this is where the problem comes, as not all asians share the one religion.....! I don't think asians universally think dogs are evil!

Originally posted by 1Man&hisBMW
Wow, what religion might that be?

Church of the divine feline?

Anyway, I want another poll option:

"Wha...?" :confused:

Isnt the Middle East in Asia ?
Therfore making Naz an Asian. Not that it matters or anything...

Originally posted by AGB1
Isnt the Middle East in Asia ?
Therfore making Naz an Asian. Not that it matters or anything...

It has been confusing me somewhat. Last I heard there were seven continents (starting from where I'm sitting now and working around in an Eastward direction):

Europe
Africa
Asia
Australasia
North America
South America
Antarctica

It's kind of like saying that Michael Schumacher isn't European, he's German... It does show that we, as humans, are very fond of defending our arbitrary pigeon holes, does it not?

Originally posted by savbaby
i do not think many asians would get a guide dog, i have found that most of them tend to be scared of dogs and i have have been told this is due to some part of the religion saying dogs are evil???

does anyone know if this is true?
It is true that many people from the asian region are scared of dogs, but it is not because of religion, it's cultural. In the indian subcontinent there is more rabies than we have in europe, and especially UK where it is none existant, and as a consequence, older indian and pakistani people were brought up to be very wary of dogs and often cats too, and this atitude often rubs of on the british born children and grandchildren.
I know a woman who is malasian, and despite being quite young is petrified of dogs and cats, and screams the house down if one comes near, even if it is an extremely docile domestic pet.

In the last few years however I have seen quite a few younger sheffield asians (indian/pakistanis) with dogs. When I was at school I had a pakistani friend and they used to share looking after an old great grandma for a month of every year with the other households in the extended family. She was and old traditional lady who didn't speak English and they would have never done anything which would have upset her like get a dog.

Originally posted by muddycoffee
It is true that many people from the asian region are scared of dogs, but it is not because of religion. In the indian subcontinent there is more rabies than we have in europe, and especially UK where it is none existant, and as a consequence, older indian and pakistani people were brought up to be very wary of dogs and often cats too, and this atitude often rubs of on the british born children and grandchildren.
I know a woman who is malasian, and despite being quite young is petrified of dogs and cats, and screams the house down if one comes near, even if it is an extremely dosile domestic pet.

In the last few years however I have seen quite a few younger sheffield asians (indian/pakistanis) with dogs.

learn something new everyday:thumbsup: thanks for clearing that up:clap:

Originally posted by AGB1
Isnt the Middle East in Asia ?
Therfore making Naz an Asian. Not that it matters or anything...
I have always understood that the middle east is the region where Africa, Europe and Asia come together. E.g. Egypt is in North africa, turkey is in Europe, and iran is in asia.

Originally posted by muddycoffee
I have always understood that the middle east is the region where Africa, Europe and Asia come together. E.g. Egypt is in North africa, turkey is in Europe, and iran is in asia.

Does it matter.
The original point of the thread, was to try and support a fellow Sheffielder, regardless of colour, relegion, country of origin, beliefs, Halal meat etc

I thought this was an april fools joke when I first heard about it a few years ago.
http://www.guidehorse.com/

Some followers of Islam believe that the teachings of Muhammed prohibit them from keeping or touching dogs. That's why some Moslims will deliberately avoid contact with them - it explains also why some children will run away from them - as they have been taught to avoid them.

Originally posted by carcrash
I thought this was an april fools joke when I first heard about it a few years ago.
http://www.guidehorse.com/

Oh sweetness - how adorable. Though can't see restaurants allowing them in....

Originally posted by clogginchris
Some followers of Islam believe that the teachings of Muhammed prohibit them from keeping or touching dogs. That's why some Moslims will deliberately avoid contact with them - it explains also why some children will run away from them - as they have been taught to avoid them.
I remember a debate about this subject on the radio a couple of years ago and it was made quite clear by Muslim scholars that dogs are not forbidden, infact they are favoured as an animal. It is possible that some people confuse customs from the old country with religious practice. And I have known some muslims who certainly don't avoid dogs.

This comes up from time to time as one of those perpetuating myths, like chewing gum is good for your teeth, or the war of the worlds caused civil unrest, or captain pugwash had saucy character names. All wrong I'm afraid.

In my experience, the older Muslim generation definitely try to discourage the younger ones from having dogs as pets - they are considered dirty. Even when they are kept as pets they rarely live inside their owners houses - they are mainly kept outside of the home in kennels.

Having a dog as a guard or a working animal is a different situation and that seems to be more acceptable then having one purely as a pet.

Most of the Muslim women and kids who live near me are absolutely terrified of dogs and will run a mile to get away from them ( usually scaring the dog in the process I might add). But I agree with a previous poster about Religion and Culture becoming mixed up and confused here.

Liz

Originally posted by mrsb73
In my experience, the older Muslim generation definitely try to discourage the younger ones from having dogs as pets - they are considered dirty.

Dirty, yes. Unclean, no. I personally find the slobbering, molting, stinky mess dogs make quite horrible.

I'm a cat person. You can tell, can't you? ;)

And how often do you see Asian or oriental people who are disabled in some way? I can't ever recall seeing a single one.

Do they hide them away as some social disgrace or other?

Originally posted by Mo
And how often do you see Asian or oriental people who are disabled in some way? I can't ever recall seeing a single one.

Do they hide them away as some social disgrace or other?


Errrr....no, they don't :)

From my experiences (nearly 20 years living in an 'Asian' area) the families I know of who have disabled relatives live with them.

In our culture, we see any suffering of that nature as being brought by God as a test, so the families will deal with it as best they can.

Originally posted by mrsb73
In my experience, the older Muslim generation definitely try to discourage the younger ones from having dogs as pets - they are considered dirty. Even when they are kept as pets they rarely live inside their owners houses - they are mainly kept outside of the home in kennels.

This is the most accurate of the opinions I've seen regarding this point.

Muslims don't view dogs as being evil, but the saliva and urine of dogs is unclean. For instance, if any were spilled on your clothes, you would be unable to offer your daily prayers wearing them until you had changed / cleaned your clothes and washed again.

For this reason, most elderly Muslims feel that keeping a dog as as a domestic pet is more trouble than it is worth.

Originally posted by spiffymonkey
Dirty, yes. Unclean, no. I personally find the slobbering, molting, stinky mess dogs make quite horrible.

I'm a cat person. You can tell, can't you? ;)

dogs don't **** in the house..cats do....tom cat owners have wiffy houses.

Originally posted by Mo
And how often do you see Asian or oriental people who are disabled in some way? I can't ever recall seeing a single one.

Do they hide them away as some social disgrace or other?

if you lived in india/iraq how many disabled white people would you see......

When we lived at our last house, there was a family from Iran living directly behind us.

The adults and the oldest boy seemed to be afraid of, and disliked our dog. But the two younger kids regularly knocked on our door, asking to be allowed to come in and play with the dog.

Which they did. Even going so far as to ask to be allowed to brush, walk, and feed her treats. They were nice, well behaved children and played well with my kids, so I didn't mind having them over.

I asked once why they didn't just get their own dog, and they looked sad, and said their parents wouldn't allow it.

I don't know how much was simply not being allowed to have a pet or what, but when we moved, both of them came over to say goodbye...to the dog!

:) Sierra

Originally posted by kirky
if you lived in india/iraq how many disabled white people would you see......

Not sure what you are saying here.

Originally posted by Mo
Not sure what you are saying here.

I think basiacally what he meant was "whats your point".

ie asians over here are a minority, and disabled people are also a minority, so to see a minority within a minority would be a rare site, just like seeing a white person in india that is disabled would also be very rare.

Don't asians eat dogs?

Originally posted by Chicago
Don't asians eat dogs?

Yes, in Korea and other parts of S.E.Asia, that's true.

In the west, however, we prefer to WALK our dogs, rather than WOK our dogs ;)

Sorry, couldn't resist that one.

Thank you for you Interest and debate (Mostly about dogs).

85% is quite a margin, and the point being?

That while most of Sheffield was slagging Naz off for his bad driving.
He was willing to give away one of his prized possesions for the (Mostly) white people of sheffield.

The Naz threads yesterday, were there to call him and other ethnics names.

Not where I live but have seen a couple in Sydney,round China town.

I just voted in your poll, although I strongly suspect somebody may ask what correlation there is between the poll and Nas giving you a trophy to auction. Afterall, he isn't asian, he is arab :)

Yes, but Arab can be Asian. It can also be African as any Egyptian can tell you. Prince Nazeems heritage is Yemeni, which is definitely in Asia last time I looked. Remember Asia starts at Turkey.

Whats the alternative, A guide rabbit? :hihi:

Don't be silly - everybody knows this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKiAKSuh0rY)is the alternative to a guide dog :hihi:

viking was the king of the wind up.sadly he passed away last year,this post brought back a few memories...;)

In the US we tend to think of Asians as being from Japan, China, Korea, India, etc. However, we think of anyone from the Middle East as Arab. I sometimes have difficulty when I read posts referring to Asians then find out later we are talking about people in the Middle East.

And no, I cannot recall ever seeing an Asian/Arab with a guide dog.

Why dont they have dogs?..its simple really...rabies,we may not have seen it for some time but its still in pakistan and india so the people ,especially the older ones who came over here and remember the old country,are naturally afraid of dogs,its easing up now with the young pakistanis, the young chavs have started keeping staffies a la english chavs

It's so nice to read a Viling/Kirky thread again :D

I have voted yes that I have seen an asian with a guide dog. And I can recall thinking when I saw the man ' ooh I don't think I have ever seen an Asian man with a guide dog before...' Though that sadly makes me a right racist for noticing in the first place.

Prince Naz is seems an alright bloke though a little cocky but he couldn't have been the fighter he was without some attitude. But he is lethal with his cars as is one of his brothers. Scare the live of me when I see them - total disregard for others on the road

Noticing an 'asian with a guide dog' doesn't make you racist. Believing he's inferior BECAUSE he's Asian would make you racist - and I don't think you are saying that.

I noticed a woman doing match commentary on the football last night. That doesn't make me sexist - I just noted it 'cos it was uncommon.

i do not think many asians would get a guide dog, i have found that most of them tend to be scared of dogs and i have have been told this is due to some part of the religion saying dogs are evil???

does anyone know if this is true?

I THINK Muslims believe dogs are dirty - I only say that 'cos I heard on the Beeb that allied forces stopped using dogs for house searches in Iraq 'cos householders believed dogs to be unclean. I guess in some countries there's a chance the dogs will be rabid so it's a legitimate fear.

And how often do you see Asian or oriental people who are disabled in some way? I can't ever recall seeing a single one.

Do they hide them away as some social disgrace or other?

Pakistani Muslims in the UK have the highest % of people living with 'long term disabilities', and the highest % of children with congenital birth defects.

And as a generalistion, yes, they are hidden away.

Pakistani Muslims in the UK have the highest % of people living with 'long term disabilities', and the highest % of children with congenital birth defects.

And as a generalistion, yes, they are hidden away.

How would anyone know the percentage if their hidden ?

How would anyone know the percentage if their hidden ?

We know the %s thru the census and thru ethnic monitoring stats taken at birth.

The fact that they are 'hidden' comes from my personal knowledge of the Pk community and has no 'cause and effect' tye relationship with the first part of my post.