might nip down with mi pellet gun:D

Must be Ronnie o'Sullivan still waiting for Ebdon to take his shot!!

What?! There's something worth going to see at the Crucible?

How refreshing.:o

Kirky,

Idiots on the Crucible are fair game but don't shoot the cats...:)

Seriously, what's it all about?

Joe

Just heard on the radio - Fathers for Justice.
Obviously missed out on tickets and complaining about the allocation / sales process.

Originally posted by bglodge
Just heard on the radio - Fathers for Justice.
Obviously missed out on tickets and complaining about the allocation / sales process.

Don't know why- i was at the semi final last night and there were loads of seats spare!!!

Whether you agree or disagree with the aims and/or the tactics of Fathers 4 Justice, you've got to admit - they certainly know how to get attention and publicity for their cause.

Originally posted by redrobbo
Whether you agree or disagree with the aims and/or the tactics of Fathers 4 Justice, you've got to admit - they certainly know how to get attention and publicity for their cause.

Yes... and they know how to turn even more people against them too :rolleyes:

I dunno, I find their antics quite amusing! :D

Originally posted by bglodge
Just heard on the radio - Fathers for Justice.
Obviously missed out on tickets and complaining about the allocation / sales process.


Yes...one of the ladies from the Crucible said she hopes they'll fix the roof while they're up there :hihi:

and i think .. good on ya fella's :thumbsup:

how would you lot feel if it was you that hadnt got proper rights to see ya kids ? its a shame they have had to resort to this sort of attention seeking just to get their point of views heard.

go fella's go fella's, i hope the weather stays nice for ya :clap:

Originally posted by Litha
go fella's go fella's, i hope the weather stays nice for ya :clap:

Pity the weather is so nice today... we could do with a good thunderstorm with lots of lightening above the crucible;)

aww thats not nice Patchy :|

i might go down and shout my support for em, just so they know some people do care :)

Originally posted by Litha
and i think .. good on ya fella's :thumbsup:

how would you lot feel if it was you that hadnt got proper rights to see ya kids ? its a shame they have had to resort to this sort of attention seeking just to get their point of views heard.

go fella's go fella's, i hope the weather stays nice for ya :clap:
well said, some muppets really dont understand on how the law works, the law always favours woman with children why?
i say good on them at least they have guts kirky, mind you i forgot you serve the kids.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/snooker/4497401.stm

well i think its just terrible that they are going to be arrested when they get down :rant: what on earth are they doing that is bad enough to be arrested, its not as if they are throwing things down or causing bother. they are just badly done to fella's wanting to be able to have the same rights that the mams have got.

Litha

Just been past on my way to the library. Just want to send those guys up there a big thumbs up- the law is unfairly weighted and they're making a peaceful (and somewhat amusing Mr. Incredible) protest.

It's great to see just how many authorities it takes to control Batman and Mr Incredible; 3 police officers, 2 community support officers and a city centre ambassador to make the teas.

im all for ffj at least they are doing something and its somthing to admire as for certain persons on this thread making jokes about them i just hope it never happens to them ie not been able to see their kids

I have a mixed opinion on this. I think their campaign is just however, the way they are campaigning makes a bit of a joke of a serious situation.

On the flipside, I asked if their actions have increased the profile of their campaign, then the answer has to be yes.

Originally posted by simjns
well said, some muppets really dont understand on how the law works, the law always favours woman with children why?
i say good on them at least they have guts kirky, mind you i forgot you serve the kids.

i think you might find its my wife that serves the kids;) ;) and if men didn't leave their familiys in the first place there wouldn't be a problem....whats up dont your kids want to know you either...tough :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: go join them on the roof...idiot:D

Originally posted by kirky
i think you might find its my wife that serves the kids;) ;) and if men didn't leave their familiys in the first place there wouldn't be a problem....whats up dont your kids want to know you either...tough :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: go join them on the roof...idiot:D


thats a bit out of order to come out with comments like that kirky some of us want to see our kids but are unable to do so because of a unjust legal system with the laws it produces

no i see my kids, and they arent chavs.

Originally posted by Patchy
Pity the weather is so nice today... we could do with a good thunderstorm with lots of lightening above the crucible;)

Patchy, I think that's a terribly bitter and stupid statement.

All FFJ are trying to do is bring attention to their plight; what do you suggest they do about it? Write a humerous letter to 'Points of View'?

Family law in this country needs a complete overhaul. I for one applaud their guts to get out there in the public eye, and raise awareness. When all's said and done, they've not hurt anyone, or damaged any property. I for one think it will be a sad day in England when citizens aren't allowed to make a peaceful protest.

Originally posted by Kristian
Patchy, I think that's a terribly bitter and stupid statement.

All FFJ are trying to do is bring attention to their plight; what do you suggest they do about it? Write a humerous letter to 'Points of View'?

Family law in this country needs a complete overhaul. I for one applaud their guts to get out there in the public eye, and raise awareness. When all's said and done, they've not hurt anyone, or damaged any property. I for one think it will be a sad day in England when citizens aren't allowed to make a peaceful protest.

did you see the bloke that did the first stunt? think it was houses of parliment (could be wrong) he was dressed as batman..anyway turned out when he was with his family he was always out on the lush and didn't bother about the young,n till it was too late.

Kristian - you just like looking at the guys in there superhero costumes :D

Originally posted by kirky
did you see the bloke that did the first stunt? think it was houses of parliment (could be wrong) he was dressed as batman..anyway turned out when he was with his family he was always out on the lush and didn't bother about the young,n till it was too late.

and where did you read about that then ?

Originally posted by kirky
did you see the bloke that did the first stunt? think it was houses of parliment (could be wrong) he was dressed as batman..anyway turned out when he was with his family he was always out on the lush and didn't bother about the young,n till it was too late.

I don't know about this guy in particular, but either way, one swallow doesn't make a summer kirky!

Originally posted by panda79
and where did you read about that then ?

i think it was in the sunday sport

Originally posted by kirky
i think it was in the sunday sport

that says it all really master k:loopy:

Originally posted by kirky
i think it was in the sunday sport

Not the same edition where they found the London bus at the south pole? :roll: I'll take that story with a bucket load of salt then!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
togue in cheek like:rolleyes:

I'm also in agreement with FFJ. It beats following the boring routine of other protest groups by handing out leaflets and pestering people in the streets. FFJ are one group I could instantly name due to their crazy antics of getting their name in the headlines. I'm not sure I could name many others. At least they're getting themselves noticed and giving people a laugh at the same time.

Of course their cause is quite serious but I think what they do is a humourous and effective way to catch people's attention.

not had many trips to mcdonalds latley though have they?

Originally posted by kirky
not had many trips to mcdonalds latley though have they?

sometimes kirky you go way too far your last post was in very bad taste

Just read on the snooker page on Ceefax, that they have enough food and water to last them till the last ball is potted on monday (or mid afternoon tuesday if Ebdon makes it through!) And then on their way down they will be arrested. Apparently there is a Batman and a Mr Incredible! (think they might be using an alias)

Originally posted by panda79
sometimes kirky you go way too far your last post was in very bad taste

but very true

Awwww the FFJ, god bless em :D If you think they are making a mockery of their cause then maybe you would prefer a more direct approach such as storming mother and baby groups or sending letter bombs to the solicitors who represented their ex partners during the custody battle. Their protests are peaceful and visible...emphasis on the word peaceful.
As for some of the comments about men leaving their families in the first place...get in the real world.

Do these FFJ people ever do these stupid stunts in their own towns or do they all travel to other towns so people who know them don't tell the truth about why they aren't allowed access to their kids?

At least I suppose the Crucible stunt isn't inconveniencing innocent families like when they held up the Pepsi Max ride at Blackpool, ruining innocent kids' days out.

Originally posted by Patchy
Do these FFJ people ever do these stupid stunts in their own towns or do they all travel to other towns so people who know them don't tell the truth about why they aren't allowed access to their kids?

At least I suppose the Crucible stunt isn't inconveniencing innocent families like when they held up the Pepsi Max ride at Blackpool, ruining innocent kids' days out.

im sure they are local and as for the reasons why the dads cant see the kids id suggest going to a familly courts hearing when the law is changed that is, then you will see the real reason why there unable to see them

Originally posted by Litha
and i think .. good on ya fella's :thumbsup:

how would you lot feel if it was you that hadnt got proper rights to see ya kids ? its a shame they have had to resort to this sort of attention seeking just to get their point of views heard.

go fella's go fella's, i hope the weather stays nice for ya :clap:
Well said Litha

Originally posted by Patchy
At least I suppose the Crucible stunt isn't inconveniencing innocent families like when they held up the Pepsi Max ride at Blackpool, ruining innocent kids' days out.

Ah so that's what you're so tetchy about. Were you in the queue? :hihi:

Although I don't have kids myself I definately support fathers for justice! Good on yer lads!!:clap:

I am going to drive past there on my way home from work tonight and sound my horn in support, sounds daft but I want them to know that at least one of us is behind them.

I agree 100% with their cause and I am happy that this is one group that don't use terror to get their message across. Give me batman on some rooftop any day instead of beheadings, bombings, shootings etc.

This is a cause worth supporting and they demonstrate it well.

All those of you complaining about their tactics, think about it. They want to get their message across as far as possible, but they aren't using the cowardly tactics demonstrated by some of the other groups who want to get their point across.

As for the mothers not allowing their ex partners to have access to the kids, shame on you!!! (unless there's a suitable reason such as they aren't suitable to do so). No one should use kids as a weapon against their ex-partner for any reason and the child's well being should always come first.

Originally posted by Patchy
Do these FFJ people ever do these stupid stunts in their own towns or do they all travel to other towns so people who know them don't tell the truth about why they aren't allowed access to their kids? There were some protestors dressed in white suits last year that I spoke to and they were from Sheffield.

As for telling the truth about why they aren't allowed to see their kids, not all parents have genuine reasons. Some have sadistic cows involved that chose not to allow the father to see the child because he's upset her, not because he's done anything wrong to the child or is a danger etc. to it. These people should be allowed to see their kids and have a say in their lives, unless there's a genuine reason for them not to have.

A couple of them that I spoke to weren't allowed to see the kids, but had to pay towards their upbringing! Surely if they are helping like that and if they aren't a risk they should be allowed to see the child?

As for stupid stunts, like Lalaland said, I would rather see these comical protests instead of the disgusting and cowardly actions that other groups use.

Originally posted by Patchy
[B]At least I suppose the Crucible stunt isn't inconveniencing innocent families like when they held up the Pepsi Max ride at Blackpool, ruining innocent kids' days out. I wasn't aware of this one, but it sounds to me like they inconvienced you possibley. Don't allow this one protest to stop you thinking well of their truley deserving cause.

Here's another supporter of FFJ :clap:
(and I don't have kids either)

thats so true lalaland , i have seen it all to many times where mothers stop dads from seeing kids just because they can and not because the dads done anything wrong. my own mam tried to stop my brothers dad seeing him, it didnt work entirely and he got crappy visitations but then my mam just kept calling him all kinds of words infront of my brother, i could see the hurt in his eyes cos after all it was his dad she was talking about.
kids shouldnt be pawns , these mothers think its just the dads their hurting but its the children that suffer much more.

Litha

As a mother who has recently separated and soon to be divorced I fully support FFJ, I have no intentions of stopping the children from seeing there Father.

It is my duty as a mother to ensure that no matter what problems me and their father have I do not use my children as pawns to punish my ex, and believe me there are days when I hate him and this would be an easy way of hurting him.

There may be reasons why some fathers should not see their children but the majority of mothers I feel use the power that the LAW allows them to in order to punish their ex, the law needs to be changed to stop some bitter women from doing this and give the children the love that they need from both PARENTS. :rant:

GO FFJ :clap:

Originally posted by gpsy
I wasn't aware of this one, but it sounds to me like they inconvienced you possibley. Don't allow this one protest to stop you thinking well of their truley deserving cause.


No I wasn't at Blackpool that day, luckily!
When I meet someone from FFJ who has a genuine case that deserves sympathy then I may start supporting them, but I know one man involved with them who was violent to his ex partner and couldn't even be bothered to see his kids for months and then suddenly decided he wanted to see them now and then when it suits him.

Originally posted by Patchy
No I wasn't at Blackpool that day, luckily!
When I meet someone from FFJ who has a genuine case that deserves sympathy then I may start supporting them, but I know one man involved with them who was violent to his ex partner and couldn't even be bothered to see his kids for months and then suddenly decided he wanted to see them now and then when it suits him. I did say These people should be allowed to see their kids and have a say in their lives, unless there's a genuine reason for them not to have. and this person you speak of sounds like he comes under my exclusion.

But the majority of FFJ are genuine fathers that want to see their kids and haven't done anything wrong towards the child and aren't a risk to the child.

If you are aware of this person as a risk then maybe you should contact FFJ and report this to them?

I think FFJ have a very good point to make and I think it's about time our laws were looked in to regarding this, please don't judge the entire group on this one person's past.

Originally posted by AJ sheffield
Their protests are peaceful and visible...emphasis on the word peaceful.


"emphasis on the word peaceful" eh?

What about "Blair hit during Commons protest" (BBC News, Wed 19 May 2004).

"....condoms full of purple flour were thrown at Tony Blair"
".....The PM was speaking during his weekly half-hour question and answer session when one of the projectiles hit his back"
"Campaign group Fathers 4 Justice claimed responsibility".

Think you need to withdraw your claim that "Their protests are peaceful"

Originally posted by Patchy
No I wasn't at Blackpool that day, luckily!
When I meet someone from FFJ who has a genuine case that deserves sympathy then I may start supporting them, but I know one man involved with them who was violent to his ex partner and couldn't even be bothered to see his kids for months and then suddenly decided he wanted to see them now and then when it suits him.

As I said earlier, one swallow doesn't make a summer...

Originally posted by Kristian
As I said earlier, one swallow doesn't make a summer...

True, but until I meet some FFJ members who have a valid case deserving of sympathy then I will continue to form an opinion of them based on their actions. And ruining innocent families day's out and throwing things at people in parliament isn't likely to endear them to me.

Originally posted by Patchy
True, but until I meet some FFJ members who have a valid case deserving of sympathy then I will continue to form an opinion of them based on their actions. And ruining innocent families day's out and throwing things at people in parliament isn't likely to endear them to me.

Is that not like saying that until I personally walk on the moon, I'll refuse to believe that it exists?

Originally posted by Kristian
Is that not like saying that until I personally walk on the moon, I'll refuse to believe that it exists?

Have you never seen the moon?

I do believe that there are a few fathers who are wrongly denied access to their kids, but there are also some who are denied access for valid reasons and will not accept the valid reasons. I don't know these people who have climbed on the crucible roof or those who attacked Tony Blair, so I have no way of knowing both sides of their stories.

If they have valid cases then I think they are going about their protests in the wrong way by taking their greivances out on innocent people.

Originally posted by redrobbo
What about "Blair hit during Commons protest" (BBC News, Wed 19 May 2004).


I'd hardly call that a violent protest. More comical than anything.
Annoying for TB, yes (who, incidentally, didn't seem too bothered about it at the time).
Disturbing 'cause it highlighted serious flaws in Parliment's internal security procedures, yes.
Violent though? Not in my opinion.




Originally posted by redrobbo
"....condoms full of purple flour were thrown at Tony Blair"
".....The PM was speaking during his weekly half-hour question and answer session when one of the projectiles hit his back"



Oooooh. What trauma he must have suffered.





On the subject of this topic...


Having seen how all 4 of our court/judiciary systems operate I can safely say, that the worsed court (in terms of true justice is within the family courts.

I can, and fully do, both sympathise & empathise with the plight of these men.


Long may they continue (until the law is given the full overhaul it needs).

Originally posted by redrobbo
"emphasis on the word peaceful" eh?

What about "Blair hit during Commons protest" (BBC News, Wed 19 May 2004).

"....condoms full of purple flour were thrown at Tony Blair"
".....The PM was speaking during his weekly half-hour question and answer session when one of the projectiles hit his back"
"Campaign group Fathers 4 Justice claimed responsibility".

Think you need to withdraw your claim that "Their protests are peaceful"
So your now saying their protests are completely and utterly non peaceful. I am sure they had no intention of harming anyone.

Have they come down yet? I just got home from a meal at Jumbo's and I couldnt see them. I think FFJ is a great thing and i support them every step of the way.

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
I dunno, I find their antics quite amusing! :D

I think the best one they did was getting over the wall/fence into the palace. I can just image the ira godfathers in Dublin spitting their Guinness out after finding out how lax the security was. And remember a few years ago when we all thought Liz Taylor was potty after newspaper reports that she had sent her people to check out palace security prier to her receiving her gong.

As I said on the chatroom earlier, when I saw them this morning I thought it was all a good idea and everything, but would've taken them more seriously if their sign had made sense or been spelled properly:

"Our kids lifes are not a game.
Give dads equality to our kids.
Fathers 4 Justice"

Originally posted by noseyrosie
As I said on the chatroom earlier, when I saw them this morning I thought it was all a good idea and everything, but would've taken them more seriously if their sign had made sense or been spelled properly:

"Our kids lifes are not a game.
Give dads equality to our kids.
Fathers 4 Justice"

I'm sure I'm known on here as a spelling ang grammar pedant, but I feel I have to ask when perfect spelling and grammar became part of being a good parent? I'm sure this isn't something that's taken into account when deciding custody? Nor should it be!

why does matter so much when posting on here then?:D

Originally posted by Patchy
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If they have valid cases then I think they are going about their protests in the wrong way by taking their greivances out on innocent people.

get a grip..:suspect: i hardly think they took anything out on innocent people, a hold up in a que for a ride OMG soo traumatizing eh? bet them kids cried and cried all day and it soo riuned their holiday "not" and a bit of purple flour on someones back... bloody hell i bet he was laid up in hospital with the injuries that caused... "not"

GO FFJ .. some people are in support of you :clap:

Originally posted by noseyrosie
As I said on the chatroom earlier, when I saw them this morning I thought it was all a good idea and everything, but would've taken them more seriously if their sign had made sense or been spelled properly:

"Our kids lifes are not a game.
Give dads equality to our kids.
Fathers 4 Justice"

what a load of crap... i am absolutly rubbish at spelling, why dont ya come down and tell me im a bad mam , and by the way.. my kids were the only ones in their class when they very first started nursery that could actually spell and write their own name and also write mam and dad

Originally posted by Litha
what a load of crap... i am absolutly rubbish at spelling, why dont ya come down and tell me im a bad mam , and by the way.. my kids were the only ones in their class when they very first started nursery that could actually spell and write their own name and also write mam and dad

Mam instead of mum?

Sorry had to be done. Anyway, yes I was being a bit tongue in cheek, but yknow, it's true that people will take the cause more seriously if they think that the campain is well thought out and this just looks like a rush job, to me.

Besides all that, I'd like to say that I think it's disgusting the way fathers are treated in this country. They should have equal rights to custody and the whole 'mother as the life-giver' argument just doesn't cut it. To think that if, when my parents got divorced, they'd argued over custody, my dad couldve been negated rights! It's awful!

Originally posted by kirky
did you see the bloke that did the first stunt? think it was houses of parliment (could be wrong) he was dressed as batman..anyway turned out when he was with his family he was always out on the lush and didn't bother about the young,n till it was too late.

Everyone just ignore [kirky] the little squit! The one thing trolls hate is being ignored!

FFJ, you've got my support!

Originally posted by Litha
my kids were the only ones in their class when they very first started nursery that could actually spell and write their own name and also write mam and dad
Thats cos it's tattooed on their knuckles! :D

(there - that's for the fish & wine dig :thumbsup: )

Originally posted by noseyrosie
Mam instead of mum?

Sorry had to be done.!

right the sleeves are going up ....... what are you saying ??
yes my kids call me MAM because i hate mum, i call my mam , mam my brother calls her mum it is my preferance. some people call theirs Mom.

excuse me for getting on my high horse i just took offence to your comment :suspect:

My Mam was called Mam too.

MUM is a softee southern derivation.:D

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
Thats cos it's tattooed on their knuckles! :D

(there - that's for the fish & wine dig :thumbsup: )

:D :hihi: < hysterical laffter > LOL LOL thanx Don thats made up for me having to be at bluddy work today

but ya should see the new one me 8 year olds just got.. a huge luv heart and scroll sayin MY MAMS THE BEST in it :heyhey: :heyhey:

please tellme ya haven't tattood your 8 year old? :o

im telling you nothing m8 :P :thumbsup:

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