would you say this means you can get done for 35mph and above or 36 and above?

I think its 36 and above? :confused:

Originally posted by f_g
would you say this means you can get done for 35mph and above or 36 and above?
Mathematically 30 + 3 + 2 = 35 is the legal limit, so 36 and above is the level at which you would be prosecuted...

...but they are only "guidelines" from the ACPO, so don't rely on these in court, you could get done for 31 if they feel like it.

There is a tolerance in your speedometer and in the unit, what ever is being used, to measure your speed so I would be surprised if you got fined at 31mph

Originally posted by BoppinBruce
There is a tolerance in your speedometer and in the unit, what ever is being used, to measure your speed so I would be surprised if you got fined at 31mph

I have known someone get fined for 31mph, when the mobile cameras were quite new and, of course, infallible.

Mind you, the 10% is in the tolerance of your speedo. If your speedo reads 10% higher than your true speed and you do 31mph on your speedo, you will get done with no comeback. The safest way is not to rely on dubious hear-say about 10% limits and such like, but to drive at or below the speed limit according to your speedo. If you think that the speedo is wrong (consistently reading low/high relative to other road users, for example) then get it checked.

My father-in-law swears blind that the cameras have no tolerance at all and will flash you for 30.01mph. However, I pointed out that under or over inflating your tyres can make a measurable difference to the accuracy of your speedo, in the same way as bigger wheel mess with your reported speed (e.g. 14" wheels on a car designed for 13" can make up to 5mph difference in reported speed).

the 10% + 2 is not hearsay, it's guidance published by acpo (association of chief police officers). It's not legal though, it's a guideline.

Most cars speedos are on the low side of the actual speed, otherwise there'd be people suing car companies.
My speedo reads about 9% low according to my gps system.

You can't ague with a police camera now if your 2mph over 30 you will get done. I think its the M40 they are doing 0% tollorance which means 72mph and your nicked.:loopy: :suspect: :gag: :mad:

Originally posted by Bikertec
You can't ague with a police camera now if your 2mph over 30 you will get done. I think its the M40 they are doing 0% tollorance which means 72mph and your nicked.:loopy: :suspect: :gag: :mad:

unless it's incorrectly calibrated. Several people have gone to the trouble of proving that and been aquitted. (they must not have been speeding in the first place to go to that length I suppose).

Originally posted by Bikertec
You can't ague with a police camera now if your 2mph over 30 you will get done. I think its the M40 they are doing 0% tollorance which means 72mph and your nicked.:loopy: :suspect: :gag: :mad:

ermm, no.

This section of motorway is one of the busiest in the UK and the police are using mobile camera units to bring down driver speeds to the legal limit of 70 miles per hour.

Drivers found to be travelling more than nine miles per hour over the limit will be subject to a £60 fine and three penalty points.


funny, 9 miles per hour is 10%+2...

full story (http://www.dehavilland.co.uk/webhost.asp?wci=default&wcp=NationalNewsStoryPage&ItemID=8261969&ServiceID=8&filterid=10&searchid=8)

Originally posted by Cyclone
the 10% + 2 is not hearsay, it's guidance published by acpo (association of chief police officers). It's not legal though, it's a guideline.

Sorry, that didn't come out right. What I meant was that the various tall tales of people getting away with it on the '10%+2' technicality are dubious at best.

Whether this guidance is hearsay or not, though, is irrelevant. If you are doing 31 in a 30 zone and get booked, you have no comeback unless you can prove you weren't. There has to be a boundary; below it you're fine and above it you're speeding. That boundary is the speed limit, not the speed limit and a little bit.

but they do it or should do it to allow for speedo error

Just received my forms for 35Mph on Wortley Rd Rotherham.First ever motoring offence.

Just so that everyone is clear, the following is from The ACPO Guidelines (http://www.acpo.police.uk/asp/policies/Data/speed_enforcement_guidelines_web_v7_foi.doc)

The Police Service now uses technology that enables it to prove that an offence has been committed as soon as a driver exceeds the relevant speed limit by a very small margin. Motorists will therefore be at risk of prosecution immediately they exceed any legal speed limit.

The guidance to police officers is that it is anticipated that, other than in the most exceptional circumstances, the issue of fixed penalty notices and summonses is likely to be the minimum appropriate enforcement action as soon as the following speeds have been reached:

Limit.........Fixed Penalty...........Summons
20 mph..........25 mph................35 mph
30 mph..........35 mph................50 mph
40 mph..........46 mph................66 mph
50 mph..........57 mph................76 mph
60 mph..........68 mph................86 mph
70 mph..........79 mph................96 mph

Fixed penalty of 1. £60 (pending) 2. Licence endorsed with 3 penalty points

Summons leading to Magisterial discretion (level 2) maximum of:
1. £1000 fine
2. Licence endorsed - range of penalty points available
3. Disqualification
4. Compulsory re-testing

This guidance does not and cannot replace the police officer's discretion and they may decide to issue a summons or a fixed penalty notice in respect of offences committed at speeds lower than those set out in the table. Moreover, in particular circumstances, driving at speeds lower than the legal limit may result in prosecution for other offences, for example dangerous driving or driving without due care and attention when the speed is inappropriate and inherently unsafe.

I recently gone done for doing 36 in a 30 zone. I've certainly learned my lesson however, and now travel everywhere at the speed limit or less (especially when there is a patrol car behind me that is obviously in a rush to get somewhere and want's to go a bit a faster than the speed limit).

whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty.

Originally posted by Pete1024
whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty.

Well if the camera catches your car and your face then it's all pretty much proven there mate ;)

Originally posted by Pete1024
whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty.
Nothing. The police don't decide if you're guilty.

If you feel the ticket is unjust you can plead not guilty and have your case heard before a magistrate.

they dont even let you see the evidence photo unless your going to court, thats seams wrong your ment to admit to something without any proof that it was you. It could be someone else with your reg plate on or anything.

Recent government legislation changed the freedom of information act, giving you access to speed camera offences, registered within the last 12 months which are placed on a freely accessible website.

Did you know that every time you go even a mile or so over the speed limit, it is registered and placed on the database? They only send a ticket if you are more than 10% plus 3mph over, or, and here is an interesting and little known fact" if you incur over 20 near misses.
You can check how many you have against your car's registration number.

Check this page www.e-database.co.uk

It will ask you for a password - but just click on the "need a password" link and you will be given one in a pop -up window in the top left hand corner. There is also a "click - on " button which shows the picture taken by the camera!!!!

Originally posted by drolnhoj

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Check this page www.e-database.co.uk
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Excellent!!!:D

Best photo of my car in ages

Glad you guys found the web site useful. It is amazing what Big Brother is doing nowadays.

There are that many speed cameras all over the place these days, that I find it sensible to observe the speed limit wherever I am. My partner always reduces his speed to just under the limit, so as to be certain that he is not driving even a little too fast - which might incur a camera flash and subsequent fine.

Originally posted by redrobbo
There are that many speed cameras all over the place these days, that I find it sensible to observe the speed limit wherever I am. My partner always reduces his speed to just under the limit, so as to be certain that he is not driving even a little too fast - which might incur a camera flash and subsequent fine.

So have you checked http://www.e-database.co.uk/ to see if he has been caught speeding!

In regards to speedo inacuracies, by law they are allowed to show upto 11% faster than you are going. It is ilegal if they show you doing 1% slower than your actual speed.

For this reason most manufacturers set them high (9% / 10% is common).

So a lot of these people that complain that they have been done for doing 36 in a 30 zone would have had a speedo showing aprox 40. Add to that the fact that they would have been slowing down at the time (due to eventually seeing the camera).

So we have Bright Yellow Speed Cameras
They have leniant limits (I beleive that all Safety Camera Partnerships have to use the 10% + 2)
You have quite a large distance to slow down.

If you get caught then you deserve it