For anyone who is not in the know, one of Broomhills historic pubs is changing hands later in the year. I refer to THE YORK, a splendid 19th Century Public House which is currently part of the Scream student pub brand. October 20th will be the final day of The York as Scream, after that it passes to us. The York will be closed for 10 days and re-open 31st October which gives us time to do a lot of much needed work inside and out.

I am interested in collecting opinions of the York in its various formats. Do you like it as a Scream pub? Did you like it qwhen it was O'neills? Did you prefer it when it was a classic traditional pub prior to 1997?

The current plan is to create a traditional real ale led Pub with restoration of many features and space that has been 'blocked off' since 1997. A traditional pub, but not, and I repeat not a 100% locals only style operation, but to create a good blend of locals, students, non students and young professionals, etc.

The York will cease to be a Scream Pub, and going with it will be its £1 pint mondays and yellow card discounts, over this we have no control. The interior, which is in poor and unloved condition, will be completely altered, the extent to which has not been decided pending meeting with my surveyor.

The more ideas I can gather the better. The currrent overwhelming opinion taken from this forum on the Broomhill pubs thread, and other sources, indicate beyond all doubt that the York should return to a good and well run traditional Pub. Over to you.........feel free to comment here on any aspects, and also vote in the poll which contains a selection of different approaches.

Please note that SKY TV and the BIG SCREENS are not part of the acquisition package, and will be removed. Subject to demand, this may be reviewed at a later date. All other Scream F and F will be removed, the bar will be completely re-done, the decor, floors and lighting will be changed, and the pub gets an industrial clean the like of which it has not seen for many years!!

When I worked in the York, it was a haven away from the students, somewhere that the normal people who live in and near Broomhill could go that wasn't totally targetted to the late teenage mass market of the other pubs in the area. I personally think that it would be great to have that sort of vibe reinstated.

Thinking back to my time as a student, it would also be really handy if any of the 'hotel' bits could be restored as finding local accommodation for visiting parents could be difficult when new to the area. I don't know whether that's possible (I have seen earlier posts which have shown the sad state of the upper floors of the building) but I think that restoring it to usable state would be good.

When I worked in the York, it was a haven away from the students, somewhere that the normal people who live in and near Broomhill could go that wasn't totally targetted to the late teenage mass market of the other pubs in the area. I personally think that it would be great to have that sort of vibe reinstated.

Thinking back to my time as a student, it would also be really handy if any of the 'hotel' bits could be restored as finding local accommodation for visiting parents could be difficult when new to the area. I don't know whether that's possible (I have seen earlier posts which have shown the sad state of the upper floors of the building) but I think that restoring it to usable state would be good.

re your first point, this is in sympathy with a great many views I have heard from people in the area. And I assure you the York iwll not target the 18-21 only markets, but will instead offer an atmosphere and environment with a lot of cross appeal. can I just ask what period tou refer to when you worked there? Are we talking the pre 1997 days before O'Neills refurb?

yes I want to restore the upper levels, they are simply stunning time warp 'lost spaces' at the moment. This is a long term project though, and is likely to be done in stages.

As you remember the old York, can you shed some light on the old side entrance that comes out on Glossop Road? this was blocked off at the top, but it is not clear where the inner door comes out. I believe the cellarhead area has been extended in the toilet corridor, and there is a false wall there somewhere. I remember I think the side entrance used to come next to the gents toilet door somewhere....its one feature I want to restore.......

I don't like the idea of student/non-student areas in the bar, Broomhill is a mixed community and so it should be a mixed pub. When I was a student (in a different area of the city) I used to go to pubs with mixed clientele and it was nice. Haven't been in The York since moving to Broomhill - that's mainly because my friends don't live locally, but also because it's Scream, which=students. When it changes, I would probably visit on occasion - a good food set-up (reasonable prices, tasty fare) would be nice.

I don't like the idea of student/non-student areas in the bar, Broomhill is a mixed community and so it should be a mixed pub. When I was a student (in a different area of the city) I used to go to pubs with mixed clientele and it was nice. Haven't been in The York since moving to Broomhill - that's mainly because my friends don't live locally, but also because it's Scream, which=students. When it changes, I would probably visit on occasion - a good food set-up (reasonable prices, tasty fare) would be nice.

yes I agree...I just threw in that option to see what people said. Like all the other Pubs in Broomhill, I do think a general mix is what it is all about. Students and locals CAN blend together, but there are a few who want it to remain a 100% student only pub, and who have a poor opinion of 'locals'. The facebook group SAVE THE YORK is one such example, where some students seem alarmed at the prospect of having what they perceive to be an 'old mans pub' replace the Scream model.

This is of course, rediculous.....so feel free to go the facebook group and have your say to, as it seems 100% student dominated at the moment and is a bit one sided......

re your first point, this is in sympathy with a great many views I have heard from people in the area. And I assure you the York iwll not target the 18-21 only markets, but will instead offer an atmosphere and environment with a lot of cross appeal. can I just ask what period tou refer to when you worked there? Are we talking the pre 1997 days before O'Neills refurb?

yes I want to restore the upper levels, they are simply stunning time warp 'lost spaces' at the moment. This is a long term project though, and is likely to be done in stages.

As you remember the old York, can you shed some light on the old side entrance that comes out on Glossop Road? this was blocked off at the top, but it is not clear where the inner door comes out. I believe the cellarhead area has been extended in the toilet corridor, and there is a false wall there somewhere. I remember I think the side entrance used to come next to the gents toilet door somewhere....its one feature I want to restore.......

Yes- it was late 80s and early 90s when I worked there, when the bar was set in a triangle across the corner to your left as you enter from the front door, and there were 3 separate rooms (with the juke box in the middle room and the dart board across from the bar).

As to the side door- I haven't been into that bit since the refurbs (not needed to go and explore near the gents when I've been in you know!) but yes, I remember that it was next to the door to the gents- but of course I can't tell whether the door to the gents has been moved over time either! The place was unrecognisable after the O'Neills refurbishment that I can't picture the old insides any more to be honest- and much of their changes weren't improvements either.

It would certainly be helpful to have that reopened- I can't understand why it was taken out when thinking about access for those with disabilities and the like.

As with the previous posts, I wouldn't want student/towny zones. In the dim and distant past I was a student living in Crookes, and part of what made those days great was mixing with the locals, in the locals. I know times change but I would hope there are still many students who want to feel a part of the community rather than ghettoising themselves.

No problem with most of the suggestions, though as an old fart I'm not bothered about DJ sessions. Jukeboxes are tricky to get right, but if you can do it, they are fine.

I note no Sky Sports on the list. I'm not advocating it necessarily, but it is a big factor for many people.

I wouldn't object to Sky Sports if it was in a dedicated part of the pub.

I wouldn't object to Sky Sports if it was in a dedicated part of the pub.

Sky Sports costs 1000's a year for pubs and many are dropping it as the prices have massively increased recently. Plus we are losing all the TV's and screens too so that also requires more investment if we want an equivalent arrangement. I don't want to mirror all the other pubs in the area in all ways, but will listen to all comments on this topic. I believe ALL the other Broomhill pubs have Sky Sports, which does indicate something, but correct me if I am wrong?

Yes- it was late 80s and early 90s when I worked there, when the bar was set in a triangle across the corner to your left as you enter from the front door, and there were 3 separate rooms (with the juke box in the middle room and the dart board across from the bar).

As to the side door-yes, I remember that it was next to the door to the gents- but of course I can't tell whether the door to the gents has been moved over time either! The place was unrecognisable after the O'Neills refurbishment that I can't picture the old insides any more to be honest- and much of their changes weren't improvements either.
It would certainly be helpful to have that reopened- I can't understand why it was taken out when thinking about access for those with disabilities and the like.

There was a disabled access provided where the old shops were that were incorporated into the refurb in 1997. And the side entrance was never disabled access, it was a small flight of stairs from Glossop Road up the main bar level. originally it afforded access direct to the Hotel part of the pub. Anyway i intend to re -use it if the inner door can be located and the stairs have not been ripped out. I am getting the original 1997 refurb plans from M+B which should have hundreds of photographs of the before and after, which will be very very useful indeed.

There is a pic of the interior of the Old York taken in 1980 at the bottom of the web page below. Note the lovely 70's wallpaper, jukebox, and it shows part of the room too.
www.doveandrainbow.com/york.html

Am still trying to locate more old pix which seem, like the Dove and Rainbow, incredibly rare.

Some nice ideas there.

Obvious ones are the refurbishment of the interior, going back to some of the original features and fittings (but not too far back that it seems old fashioned).

Would be nice if it had a bit of a modern feel to it (I don't mean like the bars down West Street, I just mean so it doesn't end up like say the Ranmoor Inn - while a great pub in its own I don't think that's the kind of look that would work here).

I would say no to traditional pub tables and stools, but yes to comfy sofa areas - but make sure they're not so spaced apart you can't talk to people. I hate that in pubs and bars!

On to other bits, a large range of continental beers & lagers mixed with some local real ales would be a good starting point. Cocktails would be good too. If you want inspiration, have a look at the Old House on Division Street. The best selection of drinks in the city IMO.

I've selected pool tables and the Space Invaders tables as I think these would help attract the younger crowd while not bothering locals so much. However the pool table at the moment doesn't fit too great so i'm not sure how you could work round that one.

The music side of things, it would be great to be able to let bands and DJ's play various types of music (something the Harley does really well), but would be good to have a quieter area too.

And finally, the York has quite a nice large smoking area. Doesn't need much doing to it. Just smartening up a little and some better heating.

Some nice ideas there.

Obvious ones are the refurbishment of the interior, going back to some of the original features and fittings

Would be nice if it had a bit of a modern feel to it
I would say no to traditional pub tables and stools, but yes to comfy sofa areas -
On to other bits, a large range of continental beers & lagers mixed with some local real ales would be a good starting point.
I've selected pool tables and the Space Invaders tables as I think these would help attract the younger crowd while not bothering locals so much. However the pool table at the moment doesn't fit too great so i'm not sure how you could work round that one.

The music side of things, it would be great to be able to let bands and DJ's play various types of music (something the Harley does really well), but would be good to have a quieter area too.

Thanks for all those. yes there are quite a few original features that can be used, although regarding the removal of the left over O Neills ceiling boading and rhe covering of the 19th century cornice with that dreadful fake irish clover coving, this depends on what condition they left the originals in. In my experience, pub refurbs tend to take little care of original features so they may well be bashed and battered underneath, or even ripped out completely, not sure yet.

The problem with the pool table is its a pub with lots of corners and different areas separated by pillars, so I think there is really no room for it. It never used to have one for that reason.

MUSIC...I am not creating a stage area, but there will be space for bands in the future, even if it means stacking away a few tables and chairs.

SOFAS: I admit I am NOT a fan of these in pubs as they tend to get very dirty very fast. The present ones absolutely reek and I wont even sit on them they are so disgusting. But we will see.......fabric furniture is a no-no, but maybe some nice washable ones that don't absorb smells and stains.

I am also keeping all the current FIXED seating put in by O'Neills in 97 as its actually very high quality wood, very very solid, with good easy to clean materials and better than the original fixed seating that was removed.

For anyone who is not in the know, one of Broomhills historic pubs is changing hands later in the year. I refer to THE YORK, a splendid 19th Century Public House which is currently part of the Scream student pub brand. October 20th will be the final day of The York as Scream, after that it passes to us. The York will be closed for 10 days and re-open 31st October which gives us time to do a lot of much needed work inside and out.

I am interested in collecting opinions of the York in its various formats. Do you like it as a Scream pub? Did you like it qwhen it was O'neills? Did you prefer it when it was a classic traditional pub prior to 1997?

The current plan is to create a traditional real ale led Pub with restoration of many features and space that has been 'blocked off' since 1997. A traditional pub, but not, and I repeat not a 100% locals only style operation, but to create a good blend of locals, students, non students and young professionals, etc.

The York will cease to be a Scream Pub, and going with it will be its £1 pint mondays and yellow card discounts, over this we have no control. The interior, which is in poor and unloved condition, will be completely altered, the extent to which has not been decided pending meeting with my surveyor.

The more ideas I can gather the better. The currrent overwhelming opinion taken from this forum on the Broomhill pubs thread, and other sources, indicate beyond all doubt that the York should return to a good and well run traditional Pub. Over to you.........feel free to comment here on any aspects, and also vote in the poll which contains a selection of different approaches.

Please note that SKY TV and the BIG SCREENS are not part of the acquisition package, and will be removed. Subject to demand, this may be reviewed at a later date. All other Scream F and F will be removed, the bar will be completely re-done, the decor, floors and lighting will be changed, and the pub gets an industrial clean the like of which it has not seen for many years!!

Have reasonable priced and good selection of ales not just ya boring bog standard beers and lagers you can find in pretty much any pub i.e Strongbow Fosters,Carling,Carlsberg,Stella,Guiness etc! I've no problem with Students as long as the whole pub isn't dominated/catered towards their needs when they are only there 9 months of the Year!

Sky Sports costs 1000's a year for pubs and many are dropping it as the prices have massively increased recently. Plus we are losing all the TV's and screens too so that also requires more investment if we want an equivalent arrangement. I don't want to mirror all the other pubs in the area in all ways, but will listen to all comments on this topic. I believe ALL the other Broomhill pubs have Sky Sports, which does indicate something, but correct me if I am wrong?

Does the Nottingham House have Sky Sports I never noticed? If you did have skysports just watch out for any scrougers who come in wanting a free afternoon/evening's entertainment and don't even buy so much as a bag of peanuts! You wouldn't let someone come off the street into your house to watch Sky so why should the Pubs be any different?

I love the idea of the classic space invaders tables being reintroduced, but does anyone still make them? Last time I looked the originals are real collectors items attracting real collector item prices.

I love the idea of the classic space invaders tables being reintroduced, but does anyone still make them? Last time I looked the originals are real collectors items attracting real collector item prices.

They are still made by at least one specialist company. I have also seen some original ones, circa 1980/81 for fair prices on Ebay so I will be looking out for these.....The York never had one originally of course but the Fox and Duck did......

We'll travel to any pub with 'traditional values' as you put it - which in our book means anybody is welcome (including the fuzzy person on a lead), and besides the rotating assortment of well kept brews, some great food would be a bonus :thumbsup:
(and just incase you don't know, it isn't illegal to have dogs and food in the same place, and the pubs we already dine in haven't done anything like 'biting the dust' from allowing them in ;) )

restored decor would give it a feeling that it truly belongs to Sheffield

We'll travel to any pub with 'traditional values' as you put it - which in our book means anybody is welcome (including the fuzzy person on a lead), and besides the rotating assortment of well kept brews, some great food would be a bonus :thumbsup:
(and just incase you don't know, it isn't illegal to have dogs and food in the same place, and the pubs we already dine in haven't done anything like 'biting the dust' from allowing them in ;) )
restored decor would give it a feeling that it truly belongs to Sheffield

Dogs will be OK if well behaved. Dogs are welcome in my other pub as long as they don't bite the staff or other customers or don't leave little, or not so little 'accidents' on the premises.

Well kept beers that is a promise, and it wont be the bog standard stuff in all pubs. yes we will have stuff like guinness and Strongbow, but the lagers will be different, plus some cask ciders too for plenty of variety. It will be good!

Have reasonable priced and good selection of ales not just ya boring bog standard beers and lagers you can find in pretty much any pub i.e Strongbow Fosters,Carling,Carlsberg,Stella,Guiness etc! I've no problem with Students as long as the whole pub isn't dominated/catered towards their needs when they are only there 9 months of the Year!

Yes, better selection assured! And students will not be specifically catered for as they are now, it will be a very cross appeal offer. We will lose many of the £1 a pint and discount drinks student and 6th former yellow card crowd, but this is seen by many as being a very good thing in this area.

For anyone who supports the York is that it is becoming a traditional pub again, there is a group on facebook named SAVE THE YORK (just search for Save the York), so join up and have your say there. At the moment there seems to be a small hardcore of students who want it to remain as a £1 a pint Scream bar, and some are of the opinion traditional pubs are full of "senile pervy old men"....perhaps we can help them to get a different opinion? It is just a handful of current regulars who don't want the change, that is all, but I am disturbed some students seem to have the view that anything that is not a Scream bar is bad......

Correct me if I have in fact missed something over the years, but I have never been aware that real Ale pubs attract such types.....

For anyone who supports the York is that it is becoming a traditional pub again, there is a group on facebook named SAVE THE YORK (just search for Save the York), so join up and have your say there. At the moment there seems to be a small hardcore of students who want it to remain as a £1 a pint Scream bar, and some are of the opinion traditional pubs are full of "senile pervy old men"....perhaps we can help them to get a different opinion? It is just a handful of current regulars who don't want the change, that is all, but I am disturbed some students seem to have the view that anything that is not a Scream bar is bad......

Correct me if I have in fact missed something over the years, but I have never been aware that real Ale pubs attract such types.....Tried to join this group days ago - still waiting for a response...

Tried to join this group days ago - still waiting for a response...

yes that is the account and they seem to be letting only students join that one...try the other SAVE THE YORK groups there are 2 one is the offical current SCream pub one, the other one comes out of that and is free to join by anyone.....look for the group wcalled SAVE THE YORk that does NOt have the yellow scream logo....it is a white yorkshire rose in a red square the one u want

Dogs will be OK if well behaved. Dogs are welcome in my other pub as long as they don't bite the staff or other customers or don't leave little, or not so little 'accidents' on the premises.

Well kept beers that is a promise, and it wont be the bog standard stuff in all pubs. yes we will have stuff like guinness and Strongbow, but the lagers will be different, plus some cask ciders too for plenty of variety. It will be good!Great stuff :) We'll see you when you open then!

Brude's been to your other pub already :thumbsup:

Great stuff :) We'll see you when you open then!

Brude's been to your other pub already :thumbsup:

Cool...will see you there. We open on Halloween this year with a big party twinned with the Dove and Rainbow event...

oh wow!! Pointy hats and boots at the ready then!! :D

oh wow!! Pointy hats and boots at the ready then!! :D


the works!!!!!! Further details to follow.....the very best cask ales to celebrate all the DEMONIC sounding ones will be flowing:
Black Mass, Wychcraft, Hobgoblin, Dragons blood, etc

Hmmmm, etc - not tried that one yet ;)

Hmmmm, etc - not tried that one yet ;)

There are so many 10o0's of obscure and eccentric names for ales these days I am surprised an 'etc ale' has not appeared!!!! I am looking into getting imported bottled American real ale too (which may surprise many that the USA has a thriving real ale industry which is just as diverse and regionally differing as our own)

I recommend Snake Dog IPA from Colorado: a lot of American ales have a very unique and attractive quality.

My memories of The York date back to the 70's and early 80's and what I liked was that there were separate rooms some of which didn't have speakers in. Even as a young man I sometimes liked to sit over the Sunday papers with a pint (and a fag) without background music.

Unfortunately, pubs these days don't have many places to sit and quietly talk or read the papers and to me that is a shame.

My memories of The York date back to the 70's and early 80's and what I liked was that there were separate rooms some of which didn't have speakers in. Even as a young man I sometimes liked to sit over the Sunday papers with a pint (and a fag) without background music.

Unfortunately, pubs these days don't have many places to sit and quietly talk or read the papers and to me that is a shame.

The jukebox will be zoned...it will be possible to have quiet areas as you suggest. You are right in what you say and Broomhill will have such a haven again.......

There are so many 10o0's of obscure and eccentric names for ales these days I am surprised an 'etc ale' has not appeared!!!! I am looking into getting imported bottled American real ale too (which may surprise many that the USA has a thriving real ale industry which is just as diverse and regionally differing as our own)

I recommend Snake Dog IPA from Colorado: a lot of American ales have a very unique and attractive quality.Oh wow! We holidayed in Killington in New England, where they have a thriving microbrewery industry. If you're importing that stuff, we may be spending a lot of time over your way!!

Oh wow! We holidayed in Killington in New England, where they have a thriving microbrewery industry. If you're importing that stuff, we may be spending a lot of time over your way!!

You may have tried some of these then, Long trail Beers...
http://www.longtrail.com/home.html

long trail, harvest and hibernator look a tad familiar :)

I will certainly be looking to stock a really different range of products than 'conventional' shall we say.

I am also looking at one of the local micro breweries producing a special edition ale just for us, and details will follow if and when this is confirmed, and who will be the producer.

I'm looking forward to the opening very much. It is going to be fantastic!

You should offer a few tours of the upstairs - those pictures are really interesting, its hard to believe that people actually stayed in those rooms.

I'd ignore the facebook group. Let them complain amongst themselves, and let them vote with their feet when it opens.

Good luck!

I'm looking forward to the opening very much. It is going to be fantastic!
You should offer a few tours of the upstairs - those pictures are really interesting, its hard to believe that people actually stayed in those rooms.
I'd ignore the facebook group. Let them complain amongst themselves, and let them vote with their feet when it opens.
Good luck!

Many thanks. The upstairs tours...thats a great idea, but there does need to be some basic renovation first, some missing floorboards, loose bannisters, etc, all in the interest of general safety. It seems hard to imagine that this was a thriving hotel from 1850 ish to the mid 60's......all the rooms with their own fireplaces too. There is a vintage bathroom on the 2nd level which is out of a museum....

facebook group, there have been some constructive comments. I must admit I was very concerned when I first saw it, until I realized that the majority of the postings were from a minority of students who were simply annoyed the cheap drink deals would be going. They are far from interested in the building or its character, just there to drink cheaply....and who appeear have zero interest in real ale (unless it was £1 a pint and cheap of course).

What puzzles me is the attitude of some who think real ale pubs are full of "senile old men"....I can't think of a single real ale pub today that meets that description at all.....I am sure CAMRA will agree with me that cask ale these days has drinkers of all ages, and is especially gaining popularity with younger drinkers these days as compared to the 'dark days' of real ale

What puzzles me is the attitude of some who think real ale pubs are full of "senile old men".... and is especially gaining popularity with younger drinkers these days

exactly - I'm a senile young man :-)

Im sure they can go to south sea if they want cheap drinks, i think that broomhill needs another 'real' pub, the tavern is the only one that i like going in at the minute.

Im sure they can go to south sea if they want cheap drinks, i think that broomhill needs another 'real' pub, the tavern is the only one that i like going in at the minute.

Not sure if the South Sea does those £1 pint 'cheap' drinks in the vein of Scream, as it was de-branded from Scream last year. I think most pubs now are fairly standard pricing...but correct me if I am wrong.

I agree about a traditional pub, the Broomhill tavern is a classic old skool Public House, and it has a lot of very positive qualities. The York will be REAL again...Real as in REAL ALE and also as in a 'proper pub'.

At one time, oh about 15 years ago, the Students union used to be THE place for the totally cheapest drinks in town, but last time I was in, it was almost normal pub prices......

You may have tried some of these then, Long trail Beers...
http://www.longtrail.com/home.html

The real ale scene in America is amazing, I first came across it in Montana and Wyoming and Idaho, which despite producing some of the best hops in the country are considered too remote to transport beer to in the kind of volumes is drunk in by such small populations. The result is the almost complete absence of beers like Budweiser, Coors, Miller, etc on draft at least. Obviously, the selection is vast but a few standouts IMHO are Sierra Nevada Pale Ale (currently imported in bottles by a Leeds based company) but something to truly behold on draft, Moose Drool and Summer Honey from the Big Sky Brewery in Montana and Alaskan Amber, would love to see any of those in bottles.

You should offer a few tours of the upstairs - those pictures are really interesting, its hard to believe that people actually stayed in those rooms.

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I cant find the link to these pictures..:mad: Where is it:confused:? ta

I cant find the link to these pictures..:mad: Where is it:confused:? ta

www.doveandrainbow.com/2nd.html

Are those rooms in addition to the ones where the folk club used to meet?

Are those rooms in addition to the ones where the folk club used to meet?

was that 1st or 2nd floor? The 1st floor is still in use for accommodation but only in part

www.doveandrainbow.com/2nd.html


wow, never seen those pics before goldenfleece. that is heartbreaking!

yes I want to restore the upper levels, they are simply stunning time warp 'lost spaces' at the moment. This is a long term project though, and is likely to be done in stages.

yeah, it's a big job. brilliant if you are going to do it though. :thumbsup:

wow, never seen those pics before goldenfleece. that is heartbreaking!
yeah, it's a big job. brilliant if you are going to do it though. :thumbsup:

There will be a better set of pix when I get the full survey done next week..got a better digital camera now as well.....

I'm really pleased to hear all of this. The York was my local when we first moved to Sheffield and then we still went when it was O'Neills. But when it became Scream you could not have dragged me in there, even with a massive bribe.

I am glad to see there will be real ale within staggering distance of home.... good luck with the venture.

I'm really pleased to hear all of this. The York was my local when we first moved to Sheffield and then we still went when it was O'Neills. But when it became Scream you could not have dragged me in there, even with a massive bribe.
I am glad to see there will be real ale within staggering distance of home.... good luck with the venture.

We look forward to welcoming you, and indeed everyone in the area who wants their old local back......we will do our best....:)

Im sure they can go to south sea if they want cheap drinks, i think that broomhill needs another 'real' pub, the tavern is the only one that i like going in at the minute.

Silly comment based on a complete lack of knowledge. The Sea hasn't done cheap drink deals (apart from the fairly standard house doubles - but no £1-a-pint nonsense) since Tracey and Craig took over - and that's more than a year past now.

Looking forward to the York re-inventing itself though, will be nice to want to go in again.

Ade

a pop quiz is a must!

a pop quiz is a must!

I agree, used to do one at the Hadfield back in the early 90's....it was great fun...I will see what we can sort out......

Silly comment based on a complete lack of knowledge. The Sea hasn't done cheap drink deals (apart from the fairly standard house doubles - but no £1-a-pint nonsense) since Tracey and Craig took over - and that's more than a year past now.
Looking forward to the York re-inventing itself though, will be nice to want to go in again.

Ade

I hope to pay all the pubs in Broomhill a visit tomorrow night doing 'market research', ie what beers are on in which pubs, price per pint, what premium lagers, etc....oh and of course to sample a few fine ales in the line of duty:hihi:
The South Sea had real ale last time I was in.... does it still do it?

And I still say, after much research in many pubs, the best pint of Abbeydale moonshine in Sheffield is to be had at the Fox and Duck,
with the Deuchars in the Broomhill Tavern a very close 2nd.....the Notty has ales on now too so I hope to try a few of those......

I hope to pay all the pubs in Broomhill a visit tomorrow night doing 'market research', ie what beers are on in which pubs, price per pint, what premium lagers, etc....oh and of course to sample a few fine ales in the line of duty:hihi:
The South Sea had real ale last time I was in.... does it still do it?

And I still say, after much research in many pubs, the best pint of Abbeydale moonshine in Sheffield is to be had at the Fox and Duck,
with the Deuchars in the Broomhill Tavern a very close 2nd.....the Notty has ales on now too so I hope to try a few of those......

Man after my own heart.

Had a lovely pint of farmers blonde in the Fox n Duck Monday evening.

and a nice pint of deuchars last friday to finish the night off.

Their idea of allowing you to bring in Fast food, so long as you buy a pint is a cracking one as well.

Oh and if you want north american ales can i suggest a white beer called blue moon.

Fantastic Belgan style beer brewed by molsen.

Google it.

Sam Adams is good beer as well.

Man after my own heart.

Had a lovely pint of farmers blonde in the Fox n Duck Monday evening.

Ooh I like that hope its still on tonight. One we have not ahd at the Dove yet..
got a Farmers Glory in the cellar but thats from Wadsworth Brewery and not bradfield....

Hi Goldenfleece,

Good on you for doing some much-need research on the current pub situation in Broomhill. I've lived in the area for 13 years, and currently work in Broomhill.

We'd love a local pub with good ales and decent food that we can go to for a working lunch. Broomhill really lacks this, with only Thyme Cafe as an option, which is pretty pricey.

Without wanting to sound too much like Gordon Ramsay, good, wholesome, simple and fresh pub food (smacks own hand in Ramsay style) is what's needed.

We currently head down to Bungalows & Bears on Division Street when we're after some good quality, well priced food and pint. I would very much recommend you take a trip down there if you haven't already, and try their menu.

If you need any other feedback, let me know - I'm sure our company would be happy to offer it!

P.S.

Please Please can you have a look at importing some barrels of the following beers

Had it on hols recently, Tastes SUPERB.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Moon_(beer)

P.S.

Please Please can you have a look at importing some barrels of the following beers

Had it on hols recently, Tastes SUPERB.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Moon_(beer)

If I can find a mass importer of this we can try it out but we cant import directly, the costs would be prohibitive for relatively small amounts.....but it sounds good stuff!!!

We'd love a local pub with good ales and decent food that we can go to for a working lunch. Broomhill really lacks this, with only Thyme Cafe as an option, which is pretty pricey. Without wanting to sound too much like Gordon Ramsay, good, wholesome, simple and fresh pub food (smacks own hand in Ramsay style) is what's needed.

We are working on this.........watch this space, and details will appear on the web site as time goes on....

Enjoyed a pleasant night out in Broomhill 'researching' Pubs: I would like to say a big thank you to two pubs for being extremely friendly and chatty with us.
Firstly to the Nottingham House landlord, great to chat to you, and also for the most superb pint of Courage best which was delicious, I had 2 and would have had a 3rd, but 'duty called' to check out more pubs for cask ale offerings.....I had a schedule for 4 pubs but the ale was proving too good to move as fast as I had planned....

Secondly, to the Fox and Duck, thanks to John for being very chatty and friendly, and the most perfect pint of Abbeydale moonshine I have ever tasted....it was so good I had 3, and failed to reach the Broomhill Tavern or The Place in time for last orders for that very reason...

Have to allow more time next week as the real ale was perfection......

goldenfleece - as a publican can you answer me a question - you know how the fox and duck have that thing at dinnertime where you can take in your own food and eat it on their plates?

Do you have to have a special licesnse for that? or is it something that any pub could do? cos it seems like a really good idea to me, I often go in with my friends at dinner time when we woudn't normally go to a pub, so we can eat our dinners there. I just wondered why more pubs dont do it?

goldenfleece - as a publican can you answer me a question - you know how the fox and duck have that thing at dinnertime where you can take in your own food and eat it on their plates?
Do you have to have a special licesnse for that? or is it something that any pub could do? cos it seems like a really good idea to me, I often go in with my friends at dinner time when we woudn't normally go to a pub, so we can eat our dinners there. I just wondered why more pubs dont do it?

I am sure you don't need any regulated authority approval for people to bring in their own food, since the Pub will not be preparing or serving it.

It is a good idea if the Pub does not serve its own food, and its only the Fox and Duck that seems to do this, although we at the Dove allow people to bring in food too although we don't supply plates and cutlery.

I have been reading through the posts and a couple of things I find intriguing are

there is a poll for what the public of Broomhill want in there pub and yet apparently and please correct me if I am wrong but you have already decided to alienate certain things from the pub and certain "types" of people from the pub, so what is the poll actually for?

Is this just a customer relations excercise to give the regulars the idea that you actually care what they want?

Or if the poll shows that the customers actually want something even though you disagree with them, would you actually give in to them?

prey tell goldenfleece...

I have been reading through the posts and a couple of things I find intriguing are
there is a poll for what the public of Broomhill want in there pub and yet apparently and please correct me if I am wrong but you have already decided to alienate certain things from the pub and certain "types" of people from the pub, so what is the poll actually for?
Is this just a customer relations excercise to give the regulars the idea that you actually care what they want?
Or if the poll shows that the customers actually want something even though you disagree with them, would you actually give in to them?
prey tell goldenfleece...

I have not decided to "alienate " anyone, as you put it, but create a pub that appeals to far more sections of the community than it currently does. The fact remains that certain groups of people may no longer wish to drink in the York as we are not going to be a discount cheap beer pub anymore. Those people will probably prefer to migrate to one of the alternative Scream pubs, but they have alienated themselves if this is the case as I have made it clear that all well behaved people are welcome. The only people I am aware of that this effects are those who wish to continue to pay £1 a pint and use their yellow cards, and that will be their choice to drink elsewhere.

The poll is just to narrow down a few considerations. Popular opinion is always important, if 99% of people wanted a dartboard I would provide one, not ignore it....

Ok then Goldenfleece thanks for clearing that up

If 99% of people wanted the £1 a pint would you keep that going too

just wondering

Ok then Goldenfleece thanks for clearing that up

If 99% of people wanted the £1 a pint would you keep that going too
just wondering

ha ha:D.....I did not put that in as an option as :

1) Its impossible to sell beer at £1 and make a profit
2) Its now considered in general to be 'irresponsible retailing' under the Licensing Objectives.

Ok goldenfleece that is a very good and responsible answer.


well then as it is against the law to serve drunks, and bearing in mind that anyone who has drunk over 2 pints is considered to be too drunk to drive

what would be the cut off point in one of your pubs for serving people an *amount* of alcohol..............................as a responsible retailer

just wondering

Ok goldenfleece that is a very good and responsible answer.


well then as it is against the law to serve drunks, and bearing in mind that anyone who has drunk over 2 pints is considered to be too drunk to drive

what would be the cut off point in one of your pubs for serving people an *amount* of alcohol..............................as a responsible retailer

just wondering


thats leagal statute though

i'm 6ft 2/3 inches tall, could easily have 3/4 pints without acting drunk, or looking remotely ******

i wouldn't get near a car mind.

its the responsability of the landlord, and their opinion really.

the legal statue for drink driving has no bearing on the publican trade.

if memory serves.

it is still illegal to serve a drunk, so what is drunk and how many drinks does it take for someone to reach that point

would they say serve someone 10 pints over the night or would they refuse after 5

just wondering

it is still illegal to serve a drunk, so what is drunk and how many drinks does it take for someone to reach that point

would they say serve someone 10 pints over the night or would they refuse after 5
just wondering

Experienced staff can spot someone who has reached their natural limits....its easy to see...yes some can drink 10 pints and be sober as a judge, but many can;t do that many...there are obvious signs when someone has had enough, and then, enough is enough......

Ok goldenfleece thanks for that

but

If for instance I and a few mates where to come in (mature non troublemaking customers I must add) anyway if we came in about say 3 ish pm and we spent a great deal of money and I dont know had maybe about 15 pints each and kept buying the staff drinks on each round, but you thought that by now one of us had had too many
would you refuse us service after all that time or would you keep serving us

just wondering

ps

I must add that 15 pints isnt out of the ordinary and we have never caused any trouble anywhere

ps

I must add that 15 pints isnt out of the ordinary and we have never caused any trouble anywhere


Unless you are all excessively big, 15 pints is way too much for anyone - seasoned drinker or not - to be drinking and still be sober.

5 pints maybe....

Ade

The discussion is going off topic now - best find an appropriately titled thread if you want to discuss units/alcohol consumption. The topic under discussion here is The York in Broomhill :)

Sorry Sian, but I was under the impression that this thread was about the interaction between a pub landlord and the customers of the said pub

Now my question in post #71 is a genuine *run of the mill* question asked in the pub industry, the said question is often asked in interviews by breweries where they are contemplating new pub management to see how good their candidates can interact with the customers
Also the said question is a more precisely worded question which was asked in post #67 which was in reply to the OP's answer in #66

Now I dont know much about how this forum works but I have noticed that one post disagreeing with the OP has been deleted, I could not agree with how that post was worded but it was obviously someones personal thoughts on the subject

the OP is after finding out peoples thoughts about the way he is going to change the pub, he is not going to be able to see the full picture if posts get deleted and questions get censored

Sorry Sian, but I was under the impression that this thread was about the interaction between a pub landlord and the customers of the said pub

Now I dont know much about how this forum works but I have noticed that one post disagreeing with the OP has been deleted, I could not agree with how that post was worded but it was obviously someones personal thoughts on the subject

the OP is after finding out peoples thoughts about the way he is going to change the pub, he is not going to be able to see the full picture if posts get deleted and questions get censored

The Thread is about the York pub in Broomhill and I am open to comments about the pub, not myself, and one post that was deleted was totally off topic and was making personal comments not connected with the purpose of this thread. So I would urge all who wish to post to contribute something extra to the discussion in direct relation to the York.

The purpose of the poll is to throw around a few additional ideas I have, ie removal of ceiling boarding which hides the original 19th Century ceiling with cornice.....I am purely interested in what people think of such additional ideas, because I have made no final decision on certain aspects I thought I would get some feedback upon.

There are a small number of persons who have been emailing me, probably part of the Save the York group on Facebook, who wish the York to remain a discount £1 a pint Scream Pub ...can I make it very clear that The York will NOT continue in this vein, Scream pubs took the decision to sell up and leave Broomhill. That aspect is out of my control, as is selling discount beer, for many reasons, including being 'irresponsible retailing' under the Licensing Objectives.

As far as my internal restoration of the interior goes I have hit some obstacles. The Architects plan shows the original side entrance which was built in 1850, and which continued to be used throughout the O'Neills era of the York, was closed off in 2000. The gents toilets were extended and the old side entrance stairway completely obliterated, the outer door remaining only as a token gesture, the stairway removed. I had not realized this until looking at the plans I received this morning from the Scream refurb from O'Neills.........so it appears I will not be able to restore this feature as shrinking back the gents toilets would involve a major premises Licence revision, Planning applications, and extensive building costs, so it not viable. Shame......

Well goldenfleece in response to your non answer
If you read my post properly you will see that I said I do not agree with the wording of the deleted post
And as someone who has and still is in the pub industry for the last twenty five years I feel grieved that you cant answer a simple question about responsible drinking and customer interaction
Now from your answer above I take it the mods did not delete the said post off their own backs, and I have it on good authority it is not the only post to get deleted that you didnt agree with
So with that in mind and your unwillingness to answer *relevant* questions about the pub, although it is a question of staff responsibility rather than decoration, I can see where your priorities lie here
I will leave this very heavily censored thread to other people and I will let the people of Broomhill to their own devices

good luck with your new venture

Well goldenfleece in response to your non answer
If you read my post properly you will see that I said I do not agree with the wording of the deleted post
And as someone who has and still is in the pub industry for the last twenty five years I feel grieved that you cant answer a simple question about responsible drinking and customer interaction
Now from your answer above I take it the mods did not delete the said post off their own backs, and I have it on good authority it is not the only post to get deleted that you didnt agree with
So with that in mind and your unwillingness to answer *relevant* questions about the pub, although it is a question of staff responsibility rather than decoration, I can see where your priorities lie here
I will leave this very heavily censored thread to other people and I will let the people of Broomhill to their own devices

good luck with your new venture

One post only has been removed from this thread. The inference that this thread is 'heavily censored' is incorrect.

The 'relevant' questions were not relevant to the thread at all. The thread is about market research for a pub, not about the ins and outs of licensing law and its application.

If you wish to have a discussion about that then please start a thread about it.

If you plan on issuing further insults or trying to drag the thread off course again then you need to understand that you are doing that despite a warning and are your account is likely to be suspended as a result of you doing so.

As far as my internal restoration of the interior goes I have hit some obstacles. The Architects plan shows the original side entrance which was built in 1850, and which continued to be used throughout the O'Neills era of the York, was closed off in 2000. The gents toilets were extended and the old side entrance stairway completely obliterated, the outer door remaining only as a token gesture, the stairway removed. I had not realized this until looking at the plans I received this morning from the Scream refurb from O'Neills.........so it appears I will not be able to restore this feature as shrinking back the gents toilets would involve a major premises Licence revision, Planning applications, and extensive building costs, so it not viable. Shame......

There is a staircase through a door in the cellar (the end room when you turn right at the bottom of the cellar steps). I cant remember if that goes anywhere, think it may be blocked off.

Also, I noticed from your drawings on your website that there is slate flooring under the carpet in the big screen room. I think under that carpet there are tiles and the slate flooring it actually under the carpet in the corner room (with the big windows). Thought this may help.

The tiles used to continue straight out of the big screen room and under the pool tables but unfortunately the ones under the pool table got ripped up in a refurb and replaced with a wooden board.

There is a staircase through a door in the cellar (the end room when you turn right at the bottom of the cellar steps). I cant remember if that goes anywhere, think it may be blocked off.

Also, I noticed from your drawings on your website that there is slate flooring under the carpet in the big screen room. I think under that carpet there are tiles and the slate flooring it actually under the carpet in the corner room (with the big windows). Thought this may help.

The tiles used to continue straight out of the big screen room and under the pool tables but unfortunately the ones under the pool table got ripped up in a refurb and replaced with a wooden board.

many thanks for that....cant wait........never saw a door in the cellar but only looked in the cellar briefly originally.....a careful look next week I think.....
what colour are the tiles out of interest? I dont remember them.....

I think from memory they like terracotta quarry tiles with a creamy coloured pattern...cant really remember.

I know it would take a lot of money, planning application and changes to the license but I think what would improve it the most would be to move the bar and open up the windows.

I think from memory they like terracotta quarry tiles with a creamy coloured pattern...cant really remember.

I know it would take a lot of money, planning application and changes to the license but I think what would improve it the most would be to move the bar and open up the windows.

I agree...but I dont have the timescale or the budget to do that at the present time...its a shame about those big front windows being now part of the back bar..........they do create a major loss of light...as do the girls toilets which now cover up the huge back window.........but thats progress.......maybe in a few years I will do that.....

I think from memory they like terracotta quarry tiles with a creamy coloured pattern...cant really remember.

I know it would take a lot of money, planning application and changes to the license but I think what would improve it the most would be to move the bar and open up the windows.

agreed...but a tad expensive to start with....

Cool...will see you there. We open on Halloween this year with a big party twinned with the Dove and Rainbow event...

Sorry Goldenfleece can't make it to the opening party at the York. I shall be a few doors down at the Fox and Duck enjoying the Frank White Band (free admission) on Halloween!

pssst - architect's plans are usually copyright ;)

you can link to the council website displaying them, but not sure of the legitimacy of copying them to your own ;?

if you remove them, report this post for removal :thumbsup:

pssst - architect's plans are usually copyright ;)

you can link to the council website displaying them, but not sure of the legitimacy of copying them to your own ;?
if you remove them, report this post for removal :thumbsup:

I will check up on this.........

getting back on topic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


will you be selling crisps goldenfleece ?


:hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:

edit : where did the last page go :huh:

oooo - locally made ones, like the rising sun sell from Wales :)

oooo - locally made ones, like the rising sun sell from Wales :)

I do love the Rising Sun crisps and never seen them anywhere else...will look into that one for The York, as well as the Dove, as they are very delicious......one bag can turn into 3 very easily!!

PM Sooz22 for the supplier :thumbsup:

I am sure you don't need any regulated authority approval for people to bring in their own food, since the Pub will not be preparing or serving it.

It is a good idea if the Pub does not serve its own food, and its only the Fox and Duck that seems to do this, although we at the Dove allow people to bring in food too although we don't supply plates and cutlery.

Thanks very interesting. I had wondered whether you needed a special license as nowhere else seems to do it, even places that dont serve food!

Thanks very interesting. I had wondered whether you needed a special license as nowhere else seems to do it, even places that dont serve food!

No. It was a very original idea the Fox and Duck had when they started this.....they served their own food at one time but apparently decided this would be a better option for them in the long term. And if people come in bringing food and buying drinks, then it pays off if they were not bothered about the original pub food on offer.

I considered this for the York, but decided to retain the kitchen operation, albeit in truncated form, from October.....

I would just like to draw attention to the point that everytime goldenfleece doesnt like what you say, they will report you and get your post taken down. Whereas they can spout whatever crap they see fit. im sure this post will be deleted in record timing, just as the last one was. Maybe i did take an immature front on that one but i was merely trying to point out the dove and rainbow have many misconceptions about broomhill and the type of customer they can bring in with eight new cask ales. Maybe just pensioners then.

I just thought i'd make people aware of the biased nature of this particular discussion.

peace out

I would just like to draw attention to the point that everytime goldenfleece doesnt like what you say, they will report you and get your post taken down. Whereas they can spout whatever crap they see fit. im sure this post will be deleted in record timing, just as the last one was. Maybe i did take an immature front on that one but i was merely trying to point out the dove and rainbow have many misconceptions about broomhill and the type of customer they can bring in with eight new cask ales. Maybe just pensioners then.

I just thought i'd make people aware of the biased nature of this particular discussion.

peace out

No I will NOT report this post and it will not be deleted unless the mods do it. The other post was totally over the top and made personal comments, hence why it was removed. this post is acceptable and you can have an opinion like anyone. And I cannot "spout crap" as my own posts also get taken down from time to time, they have to be valid contributions to an argument or debate, and not mindless insults.

Some of your points are very valid.
EIGHT CASK ALES??? I said we would add some cask ales to the offer which is true.I do not have misconceptions about Broomhill, I have lived in this area relatively recently and I know a lot of people here. Do you think I am trying to create a pub that will appeal to only one group of people? No, like the others, a combi-offer than appeals to all. Do you think students are opposed to real ale? And adding real ale is not meaning other drinks will disappear, they will still be there too!

And please, its is NOT pensioners who drink real ale, the majority of real ale drinkers these days are much younger people. I am sure CAMRA will back me up. Now I am happy to respond to your comments and criticisms and I expect such from people, if you are not happy. But the previous posts personal attacks and the comments on the Dove and Rainbow were uncalled for.

peace.

I would just like to draw attention to the point that everytime goldenfleece doesnt like what you say, they will report you and get your post taken down. Whereas they can spout whatever crap they see fit. im sure this post will be deleted in record timing, just as the last one was. Maybe i did take an immature front on that one but i was merely trying to point out the dove and rainbow have many misconceptions about broomhill and the type of customer they can bring in with eight new cask ales. Maybe just pensioners then.

I just thought i'd make people aware of the biased nature of this particular discussion.

peace out

Perhaps if you followed forum rules such as not swearing, and discussing concerns over moderation with the mods you'd fare better.

Or perhaps if you joined in the debate and put forward ideas of your own, and answered the questions people ask you?

Or if you were less openly hypocritical, perhaps by refraining from accusing others of having misconceptions and then branding all real ale drinkers as pensioners you'd get a better response?

Can I ask you a few questions:

1) The York doesn't make enough money to stay as it is. Would you rather it closed, or changed?

2) Have you tried real ale?

3) The Dove and Rainbow has one of the best atmospheres of any city centre pub I have been in, in any city - and I'm not a rocker, or a goth, or a punk. I wear common or garden jeans and a t-shirt usually, but I always feel relaxed and welcome there. Have you ever been?

4) Are you old enough to drink in a pub?

hmmmmmmmmm

so back on topic again.......

will you be selling crisps?

hmmmmmmmmm

so back on topic again.......

will you be selling crisps?
I refer you to my earlier post...

I refer you to my earlier post...

ok GF I take it that means yes then

well done :thumbsup:

So Goldenfleece, what shaped ice will you be having in the drinks at the York?

So Goldenfleece, what shaped ice will you be having in the drinks at the York?

Don't know... will have to form a sub-committee and then create a virtual model and refer it to my Interior Designer who will need to clear it with the Council planning Department...good point though:D

Also, will the chairs and stools be of the Classic (sit down version) ?

Also, will the chairs and stools be of the Classic (sit down version) ?

I thought suspended from the ceiling on chains.....surely this is the CLASSIC format?

There was a bar in Great Yarmouth that had all the chairs and tables fixed to the ceiling, it was like that for a good few years

Also, will the chairs and stools be of the Classic (sit down version) ?

Since it's so obvious that you are in the trade and resent this thread being used to talk about facilities in a local pub, do you plan on telling everyone else the name of your pub and letting them do an honest critique of the place too?

Until you are prepared for that to happen, how about you take your jealousy elsewhere?

I would just like to draw attention to the point that everytime goldenfleece doesnt like what you say, they will report you and get your post taken down. Whereas they can spout whatever crap they see fit. im sure this post will be deleted in record timing, just as the last one was. Maybe i did take an immature front on that one but i was merely trying to point out the dove and rainbow have many misconceptions about broomhill and the type of customer they can bring in with eight new cask ales. Maybe just pensioners then.

I just thought i'd make people aware of the biased nature of this particular discussion.

peace out
Mod Note:

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In response to comments about 'misconceptions about Broomhill' and 'real ale is drunk by Pensioners'...well, if you look at all the evidence real ale is consumed from all types of people aged 18 upwards. The University has a thriving real ale society, which rather suggests real ales are drunk by students and not just 'pensioners'. Plus the University union 'Interval' bar stocks several cask ales, and that is a STUDENT focused bar!

I am sure Broomhill is going to benefit from a greatly improved range of ales. For example this weekend at the Dove and Rainbow we have a great choice of amazing guest ales,
Wychwood Wytchcraft Ale, Pendle Witches Brew, Hydes Bells + Whistles,Jennings Cockahoop, St Austell Tribute, and old faves Courage Best Bitter and Black Sheep Ale. My customers include plenty of students, and I can assure you that real ale is alive and kicking in the student community and sales are growing a very fast rate indeed nationally. I defend totally the plan to bring more cask ales to Broomhill, because in my direct experience, students are a large part of this market these days.

http://www.doveandrainbow.com/cask.html

If Sheffield Forum would like to organize another Broomhill pub crawl on Thursday 30th October, The York would be pleased to welcome you, as we will be open for a private pre-opening function on this night. Be happy to welcome anyone who is interested, just let me know in advance of the night.

I see from the poll that 'Cask Ales and aim to become a great addition to the Real Ale circuit' option has scored the highest, which is indeed great news.

After several PM's about the exact re-opening of the York, I can confirm it will be 31st October, Halloween, tea time. And yes as I stated originally, we will be CLOSED for 10 days for decorating and some refit work, from 21st Oct to 31st.

Looking forward to it....hope to see many faces coming back who may have been absent for some time......I will announce which Guest and regular beers we will be stocking a few days before we re-open.

In the meantime, it is still a Scream Pub until 20th Oct, so if you go in and ask for real ales (as some have I am informed), you will not get any.......

I hope to have the 'retro' jukebox up and running in time, am currently restoring it.....

This is great news! Less Scream pubs is a good thing frankly.

This is great news! Less Scream pubs is a good thing frankly.

Well there were 4 in Sheffield until 2 years ago....they had not exactly taken over! Soon there will be only 2 left in Sheffield. In some ways this is quite strange, as both 2 which have/are closing were/are student focused pubs, and both are in the prime student area, suggesting the student demand for such pubs is actually tailing of.

I actually quite like the Globe Scream pub myself, when I am in a Carlsberg Export mood, and feel like mingling with the pre Leadmill crowd.
...always thought the Globe was the best of the Sheffield Scream pubs....none of the others ever worked personally for me, but each to our own thing....

Yeah thats the best of them at the Globe, but I just get sick of the fizzy lager and watery bitter they serve, I prefer real ale pubs for sure, Devonshire Cat, Riverside, Bath Hotel etc

Love the Dove too! I used to hate it before you took over, was far too grimey but its great now, I try and come in whenever I'm up that end of town!

Yeah thats the best of them at the Globe, but I just get sick of the fizzy lager and watery bitter they serve, I prefer real ale pubs for sure, Devonshire Cat, Riverside, Bath Hotel etc

Love the Dove too! I used to hate it before you took over, was far too grimey but its great now, I try and come in whenever I'm up that end of town!

Well I can promise you finest real ales at the York, and the Dove of course. In fact Sheffield Brewery (http://www.sheffieldbrewery.com/) are making The York a special launch brew, so make sure you come down for that one....exact brew details and name TBC, but if it works we will have a regular 'exclusive to the York' local brew:thumbsup:

More power for local real ale!!!!

Cool, I'll be down to investigate!

Cool, I'll be down to investigate!

Just been doing 'market research' at the Sheffield Real Ale Festival...ooh it was cold in that tent..but the beer was......warming....hic

The York will have an exclusive launch ale created by Sheffield Brewery Co and will be titled YORK GHOST, which ties in with Halloween of course, and also with the Haunted Realm ghost hunters we are having in...I am expecting a golden pale beer with a fruity quality....should be good....i

Very much looking forward to the new York (no pun intended). I work on Fulwood Road and foresee it as being my new post-work-pint-pub!

Someone may have already asked this but what draught lagers are you going to sell? Not a fan of ale, so i'm hoping there will be a decent variety of lagers to accommodate everyone.

Also, I love the york as a scream pub, i mean sure the beer doesnt taste great and the food is mostly fried, but it's cheap, cheerful and you can get hammered for the best part of bugger all.

Just been doing 'market research' at the Sheffield Real Ale Festival...ooh it was cold in that tent..but the beer was......warming....hic

I did too, semi-drunk serving staff too meant big measures for halves so we stuck to them when we clocked it! Brilliant fest.

Someone may have already asked this but what draught lagers are you going to sell? Not a fan of ale, so i'm hoping there will be a decent variety of lagers to accommodate everyone.

Also, I love the york as a scream pub, i mean sure the beer doesnt taste great and the food is mostly fried, but it's cheap, cheerful and you can get hammered for the best part of bugger all.

LAGER: Carling, Carlsberg Export, Becks Vier, Amstel....PLUS a much better range of bottled lagers too to really give a fine selection beyond the bog standard offerings......

I can't say that we will be Scream prices, because we cant be and we wont,
but what I can promise you is the beer/lager, whatever it is, keg or cask, will taste totally 100% superb, as we really go all out on quality..
We are these people who have panic attacks if the cellar temperature rises or falls 1 degree above the 11-13 Celsius ideal ...sounds stupid to many perhaps, but my God does it make one hell of difference to the taste of the beer, keg or cask!!!

.if you think prices roughly WITHOUT a 'yellow card' you are on the right lines....about the same as all pubs in Broomhill which are actually relatively cheap compared to town.....

I am tempted to say you can get 'hammered' for slightly more than 'bugger all', but at least the beer will taste great ALL the time......but I won't.....Oops..silly me....2 glasses of wine and I am hammered......hic

The Food: That's another thing.....lets just say it will be different and we keep prices for food at a reasonable level....I am actually a fan of the legendary Scream Burger, so I am sure we will have something equivalent, plus much more....

Sounds good, nice to see you're doing amstel on tap. Any plans to add any more draught lagers? Wouldn't mind seeing paulener munchen on tap if thats at all possible. A great way of getting people into the pub would be to offer alot of obscure, yet delicious, ales and lagers. People don't always want the standard pints, myself included, so if you really want to make yourself distinct from the York as a scream pub then maybe it would be an idea to offer some premium lagers. Just an idea, but i'd definitly be more tempted to go if there was a good selection of drinks to suit all tastes.

Sounds good, nice to see you're doing amstel on tap. Any plans to add any more draught lagers? Wouldn't mind seeing paulener munchen on tap if thats at all possible. A great way of getting people into the pub would be to offer alot of obscure, yet delicious, ales and lagers. People don't always want the standard pints, myself included, so if you really want to make yourself distinct from the York as a scream pub then maybe it would be an idea to offer some premium lagers. Just an idea, but i'd definitly be more tempted to go if there was a good selection of drinks to suit all tastes.

Did look at Peroni as a Premium lager but it is very expensive, way above the others. We will try, like the Dove and Rainbow, to offer more unusual and obscure ales, but we are TIED on draught lagers to a limited range...the same list Scream pubs buy from in fact...

Paulener Munchen.......I wish......but guess what....not on the list we have to buy from.....:(

But we certainly know we will have a greater range of products on sale than at present overall, and changes will be made over time to reflect demand or lack of demand for all products on offer.....

Fair play, looks like your hands are tied when it comes to what lagers you can serve. Definitly sounds like it's worth a visit once you've officially re-opened the York. Out of interest, how much would Peroni have cost for a pint?

Fair play, looks like your hands are tied when it comes to what lagers you can serve. Definitly sounds like it's worth a visit once you've officially re-opened the York. Out of interest, how much would Peroni have cost for a pint?

£3.50.....bit steep, thought it was a bit too expensive really compared to most premium lagers...

£3.50.....bit steep, thought it was a bit too expensive really compared to most premium lagers...I have seen budvar at £3.60 a pint..

Fair play, looks like your hands are tied when it comes to what lagers you can serve. Definitly sounds like it's worth a visit once you've officially re-opened the York. Out of interest, how much would Peroni have cost for a pint?

Paulener Munchen....Actually it IS on the list which surprizes me, but would have to retail at £3.50/60 a pint to be viable......I wonder if Broomhill would really want such an expensive lager, although of course its of the highest quality and far superior to that Carling stuff....the Jury is out on this....your comments welcome.....I have had it before abroad and it is quite superb........but then I dont know if the UK version is brewed under licence in the UK or not...it makes a huge difference....

If you have ever drunk 'proper' Carlsberg abroad in its native Country for example, it blows the fizzy rubbish brewed in the UK into the next star system...

How many lager lines have you got? If you are after getting non-students in I'm guessing they'll be people living in S10, S11 - so £3.50 a pint might not be so bad? And if you have plenty of other lines you can do a less-premium one too?

(Can't believe I've said that - I remember moving to London and being outraged when you needed more than a fiver to buy two pints - I must be getting old!)

How many lager lines have you got? If you are after getting non-students in I'm guessing they'll be people living in S10, S11 - so £3.50 a pint might not be so bad? And if you have plenty of other lines you can do a less-premium one too?

(Can't believe I've said that - I remember moving to London and being outraged when you needed more than a fiver to buy two pints - I must be getting old!)

Oh its a Scream Pub, PLENTY of lager lines!! .I take your point, it is S10 and a premium lager that is top notch would certainly be worth trying out. And realistically, £3.50 for a premium lager is not outrageous, you get what you pay for with something as delicious as Paulener Munchen.

Some years ago I played a gig in Covent Garden and whilst down in the Big Smoke I ventured into a bar which was like walking into someone's house in Ranmoor (huge building with a bar in one of the rooms).

There I had two pints of a Czechoslovakian lager with an ABV of 5%. Well honest to God, I wobbled out of that building on just two pints.

Bring it on.

Some years ago I played a gig in Covent Garden and whilst down in the Big Smoke I ventured into a bar which was like walking into someone's house in Ranmoor (huge building with a bar in one of the rooms).

There I had two pints of a Czechoslovakian lager with an ABV of 5%. Well honest to God, I wobbled out of that building on just two pints.

Bring it on.

That'll be the Czech club - it's great in there. Goldenfleece - if you can get Kozel on draft you must. I lived in the Czech Republic for a few months and tried them all - it's the best Czech larger by a country mile.

Amuisngly (to me, anyway) the full name Velkopopovický Kozel means (roughly) goat beer from Velké Popovice. But Kozel is also Czech slang for breasts - so they advertising (Enjoy your Kozel) is quite pleasing to the eye :)

My customers include plenty of students, and I can assure you that real ale is alive and kicking in the student community and sales are growing a very fast rate indeed nationally. I defend totally the plan to bring more cask ales to Broomhill, because in my direct experience, students are a large part of this market these days.


Considering the popularity of the Union's annual real ale festival, and as an ex-student, I'd say that's correct. If presented with the choice between boring lager and a reasonably priced ale, it's normally ale all the way for many people I've known. There's also generally a difference in student drinkers - the bar-crawling dance-clubbers don't tend to be real ale types - more lager and spirits. However, most people who care about the taste of what they're drinking like ale. When I've hosted student parties in the past, the next day has involved a lot of throwing away of real ale bottles :)

Also: you doing any good ciders at the York? I always love having Old Rosie at the Dove, and I tried some awesome ones at the beer fest last week. And, in terms of real ale, is there a chance of getting any Everards (http://www.everards.co.uk/ales/) beers at the Dove/York? I've only had one of theirs on tap in Sheffield (Sunchaser), and it was pretty divine!

Also: you doing any good ciders at the York? I always love having Old Rosie at the Dove, and I tried some awesome ones at the beer fest last week. And, in terms of real ale, is there a chance of getting any Everards (http://www.everards.co.uk/ales/) beers at the Dove/York? I've only had one of theirs on tap in Sheffield (Sunchaser), and it was pretty divine!

yes, we will be having ADDLESTONES on draught, plus some good bottled offerings too. Old Rosie is not on the list for the York regret to say.....but Addlestones is always generally a superb alternative....

Have to agree with you about students and real ale...there were loads at the Beer festival last week, and all being very discriminating about their drinking and not just chucking it down their necks and wobbling off to a party....
and certainly at the Dove students in general buy cask ales and not keg products......if students are a microcosm of the whole UK, then real ale is, as the stats confirm, massively on the increase......

EVERARDS: We have had EQUINOX and SUNCHASER in the last year, Equinox only last week I think, and there will be more to come.....

I would definitly pay £3.50+ for a pint of paulener munchen or any other nice german/dutch/czech beers. If a student bum like me is prepared to pay top dolla for a pint then i'm sure the majority of broomhill residents would do too.

I've had paulener munchen in england from a few places and it tastes great, although I have not had it abroad so cannot compare.

If you can get in a few more premium lagers then i'm sure it would go down a treat with customers. If you cater for all tastes then there's no reason why the York can't become the best god damn pub in broom hill.

If you can get in a few more premium lagers then i'm sure it would go down a treat with customers. If you cater for all tastes then there's no reason why the York can't become the best god damn pub in broom hill.

I can say for sure I will put on Paulener Munchen draught, others may follow but
until I know exactly what is being replaced (whole bar being totally redone) I cant say for sure how many.

We aim to cater for all tastes, and I can can promise you we will work hard to try and make it as you say above....great products, our friendly staff, good environment, all should come together......

I am not certain for sure when the final public night as a Scream Pub will be, the absolute latest date will be Monday 20th Oct (as we take full possession the next morning), assuming they have not run out of beer...but go down for that, and then when we re-open on 31st, and you just may be able to tell the difference!!!!!!:)

Plenty of other good lagers you can get - will you be considering rotating a premium lager as with your ales?

One I'd like to see on is Baltika - had it in the West End for a while, but it's disappeared.

As for premium prices, you may find that people who're out will pay it for a different taste, even if it's just a pint or two, as long as it's unique to the area and good quality. I suspect most won't take it all night - but that's really not the point with premium lagers anyway.

Ade

Are we still on track for the halloween do GoldenFleece?

Are we still on track for the halloween do GoldenFleece?

yes we re-open 31st October T time.......all currently on track......more details to follow.....expect a difference to how it is now!!!!!!!:)

I've not seen how it is now ;)

How dare you suggest such a thing?! :P

I've not seen how it is now ;)
How dare you suggest such a thing?! :P

:D You should take a look while its still like it is....you might even like it...LOL

Did I see somewhere that you're planning a vaguely rock-themed jukebox from the 80s & 90s? - sounds good, as long as the 70s legends like Rainbow (at their best then) don't get missed :) ......or are they just for the Dove? :)

Ade

Did I see somewhere that you're planning a vaguely rock-themed jukebox from the 80s & 90s? - sounds good, as long as the 70s legends like Rainbow (at their best then) don't get missed :) ......or are they just for the Dove? :)
Ade

yes its rock and alternative themed 80's and 90's with a bit of other stuff.....sure there are some Rainbow trax on the compilation CD's......Si nce You been gone for sure....poss All night long ET AL......got to update it actually, there is some 70's DISCO on it and not sure if I want to keep it or not:loopy:

Now then Lads and Lasses......I have a large number of former Scream light fittings available. Scream Pubs don't want them as they are selling off their pubs, not opening new ones. I have a lot of half oil drum ceiling lights, complete with hanging chains and wiring and bulb holders, etc, plus a large number of Scream 'sillouette' wall lights with all fixtures....

Anyone who wants a souvenir, PM me and we can work something out....if not I will put them on Ebay in a few weeks....

can't wait for a decent alternative to the tavern to open in broomhill :D

can't wait for a decent alternative to the tavern to open in broomhill :D

Just another week to go if all goes to plan....the York was in a terrible state after being neglected for many years......I can't tell you the pure joy I have been feeling at stripping out the York of all its ghastly O'Neills ceiling cladding and fake clover leaf cornice boarding......and taking down those hideous oil drum lights....YIPPEE:) Just the sight of all that gorgeous 1850 original Victorian coving is a sight for sore eyes indeed.....no building of this age and quality should ever be ripped apart like the York was in 1997.

rest assured, the York as a traditional pub will be restored as far as possible in the limits I have to work to....Made first beer order today, its a great feeling and a very long time since a cask of real ale rolled into the York cellar....making me thirsty already in fact..

Oh well, that was my tea break...back to the building site.....:)

there is some 70's DISCO on it and not sure if I want to keep it or not:loopy:

You are sure. You don't.

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Why not, a John Travolta meets the Bee Gees night might be fun :o

Ade

You are sure. You don't.

If I have time I will sort it out but not highest priority at the moment.....CD's can be changed next week....highest priority this week is a building site that hopefully might resemble a traditional pub by Thursday........:thumbsup:

I was impressed to see the scaffolding go up - you really are going for it!

This is a daft question, but what is the scaffolding for? I assumed you were just doing the inside.

Can't wait till the 31st, this will be the best gaffe in Broomhill for sure.

I was impressed to see the scaffolding go up - you really are going for it!

This is a daft question, but what is the scaffolding for? I assumed you were just doing the inside.
Can't wait till the 31st, this will be the best gaffe in Broomhill for sure.

The exterior scaffolding is up for essential repairs to windows and failed lintels, guttering, masonry repairs, exterior lighting and signage, etc.....the York was in a mess and seriously was on the verge of falling into ruin which had to be reversed before it was too late..you should read the surveyors report, its far from perfect, but nothing that can't be fixed .....
.it is a massive job but I wanted to save this gorgeous building ...if a job is worth doing it should be done properly.....

Well as to being the best pub in Broomhill, all I can say is I seriously hope it will be better than it was under Scream......There are so many things I wanted to restore inside but can't due to stupid new Planning rules.... its a listed building but ironically I am prevented in doing a total restoration of it...planning laws make no sense at all sometimes......

Its a building site inside, and will continue to look that way until hopefully around Wednesday when it SHOULD start to hang together....fingers crossed no more nasty little secrets reveal themselves from the last refurb which had about as much respect for the building as a crazed homicidal bull in an antique china shop......anyone who hammers tons of massive nails straight through gorgeous and ornate 1850 Victorian coving should be publicly flogged.....still, its just about restorable as I do want to keep it if I possibly can....

Due to additional essential building works which have to be completed, the York will not be re-opening on 31st October, but will be delayed. Date will be confirmed shortly, likely to be delayed by up to 10 days.

Phooey :(

Where else can we take the poochlet that night then?

Phooey :(

Where else can we take the poochlet that night then?

Sorry....circumstances beyond my control, Scream Pubs left us a real horror story

just to correct some historic dates I got wrong, the old York actually closed down on 12th November 1995 as a Bass Pub, and was converted to O'Neills, re-opening in January 1996. I had stated this took place in 97, but now I have the video of the final night of the old York with date and time stamps, the date can now be verified and corrected...