Am gonna go for Torres

I think Tevez will have a belter this season.

Torres if Benetiz plays him, but hopefully Jo and Bojinov will gel for City

I,ll go for Adebayor, when all is said and done he's pure class.

Santa Cruz for me. :thumbsup:

Ill go for Robbie Keane if Benitez plays him consistently (when pigs fly). :hihi:

The god Crouch will play, the god Crouch will score. Guaranteed.

Ill go for Robbie Keane if Benitez plays him consistently (when pigs fly). :hihi:

Thats the only thing with Liverpool With Reina apart he rotates every single player in his squad, Liverpool players are a real gamble to have in a fantasy team with there heavy price and not always being certain to play.
My other outsider for top scorer is Santa Cruz he was different class last season.

Thats the only thing with Liverpool With Reina apart he rotates every single player in his squad, Liverpool players are a real gamble to have in a fantasy team with there heavy price and not always being certain to play.
My other outsider for top scorer is Santa Cruz he was different class last season.
Sorry mate but your way off the mark!
I can't be arsed to find, copy and paste the stats, but if you look yourself, you will see that barring injury, Liverpool's spine of Reina, Carra, Mascherano, Gerrard and Torres, hardly ever changed.

Add to that the players who played in most Premier League games such as Arbeloa, Alonso, Kuyt and Skrtel (when signed in Jan), then you have nine players, who nearly always started when fit. That leaves 2 positions that were rotated between players such as Riise, Hyppia, Pennant, Benayoun and Crouch, who all made telling contributions throughout the season on many occasions!

I don't know how you come to such conclusions about key players being rotated? It's a myth mate, a rafa rotation stereotype!

Torres if Benetiz plays him, but hopefully Jo and Bojinov will gel for City
Why wouldn't Rafa play probably the best striker/forward in world football?

Apart from one game last season, and three games through injury... Torres started every one!

Why would that change?

I believe you Paul, nothing will change and you will still finish 4th like last season. :hihi:;)

I can think of 5 strikers off the top of my head I would have over torres.

Sorry mate but your way off the mark!
I can't be arsed to find, copy and paste the stats, but if you look yourself, you will see that barring injury, Liverpool's spine of Reina, Carra, Mascherano, Gerrard and Torres, hardly ever changed.

Add to that the players who played in most Premier League games such as Arbeloa, Alonso, Kuyt and Skrtel (when signed in Jan), then you have nine players, who nearly always started when fit. That leaves 2 positions that were rotated between players such as Riise, Hyppia, Pennant, Benayoun and Crouch, who all made telling contributions throughout the season on many occasions!

I don't know how you come to such conclusions about key players being rotated? It's a myth mate, a rafa rotation stereotype!

I can safely say now being a fantasy league old skool head that Torres Gerrard Alonso Carragher and all the rest get rested regulaly especially for europe and smaller prem games, i wouldn't have even said it otherwise, maybe its cause the stature of player your drafting in to cover is noticiable.
At the latter end of the season theres no point in having Gerrard Torres and Carragher in your fantasy team, You have put allsorts of names in games.
I don't know why either they can't be that good if they can't play 2 games a week on bloody 90 grand a week.

Think Anelka might be in the frame after putting 4 past AC Milan last night.:surprised

Why wouldn't Rafa play probably the best striker/forward in world football?

I was asking myself that all last season, and then they went and sold him to Portsmouth as well. Crazy Rafa.


I believe you Paul, nothing will change and you will still finish 4th like last season. :hihi:;)

Sadly, this is so true.

I can think of 5 strikers off the top of my head I would have over torres.

I can't. Who are the five then?

I can think of 5 strikers off the top of my head I would have over torres.
And that is the reason you have a job that entails nothing to do with football!!

There isn't a manager in the world that could do what you have just splurted out!

I can safely say now being a fantasy league old skool head that Torres Gerrard Alonso Carragher and all the rest get rested regulaly especially for europe and smaller prem games
Go on then... show us why you can so safely say this!

The stats of last season say a totally different thing, but if you know more than what actually happened then yeah... i can't argue with ya mate!

Think Anelka might be in the frame after putting 4 past AC Milan last night.:surprised
So do I mate! He is looking really sharp playing in a style of football that suits him best!

I believe you Paul, nothing will change and you will still finish 4th like last season. :hihi:;)
Before last season, Liverpool finished 3rd on two consecutive seasons, ahead of Arsenal, who finished 4th!

Up to now, Liverpool are the team that have strengthened significantly whereas Arsenal could be judged to have been weakened slightly due to there recent departures!

I'm not saying that Liverpool are going to do 'this that and the other', but I am quite confident that this coming season will see a vast improvement regarding Liverpool's final league points total! Whether it is enough to get them nearer to the title depends on if the other three teams condending also improve at the same rate!

Up to now, only Chelsea can be considered as actually improving their squad as much as Liverpool have this summer!

Chelsea BTW, are my tip for the title!!!

Before last season, Liverpool finished 3rd on two consecutive seasons, ahead of Arsenal, who finished 4th!

Ooooh!! Class! THIRD!!!!!!
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I'm just hoping that Rooney will do better this year.

Scott Mc Donald

All I know is - In Rafa we Trust!

rooney
ronaldo
henry
eto
villa
van nistelrooy

rooney
ronaldo
henry
eto
villa
van nistelrooy

Rooney = Nahhhhh
Ronaldo = Not technically a striker
Henry = Maybe a few years ago
Eto'o = Maybe a year or so ago
Villa = Not sure
Van Nisterooy = yep

Got to be Ronaldo again.

rooney
ronaldo
henry
eto
villa
van nistelrooy

Is that the 'Better than Torres' list?

Rooney = Nahhhhh
Ronaldo = Not technically a striker
Henry = Maybe a few years ago
Eto'o = Maybe a year or so ago
Villa = Not sure
Van Nisterooy = yep

rooney = more complete player
ronaldo = plays in a front three
henry/eto = still top drawer
villa = spains main man

you can add messi to the list too.

Ah, in that case...

Henry - past it.
Et'o - who? Seriously... who?
Rooney - form taken a beating with the emergence of Ronaldo, but yes I'd rather have him in my side than Torres. I still rate Rooney as a Paul Scholes type midfielder though. It was his passing game that made us all sit up and take notice, not his goal scoring which is just a bonus (and inconsistent).
Ronaldo - makes it into any team ahead of any player on last season's showing.
Villa - Touch n go comparing him to Torres. We'll see.
Van Nistlerooy - yeah, a bit tricky that one. He's not the player he was, but he's still good. I'd have Torres over him nowadays though.
Messi - good, fair enough. Probably on a par with Torres.
Crouch - second only to Ronaldo in terms of awesomeness. Oh... you missed him out. Weirdo. :P

Messi is yards in front of Torres, Drogba as he has more strength and determination than Torres, Klose as he has power and accuracy and a bit more of the "grey matter", Anelka as this is going to be his season and I have to say James Beattie or else my wife will smack me. :love: U G.

Preacherman, half of those players aren't strikers and a couple of them are well past it. Apart from Rooney, Ronaldo, Villa and Messi (two of whom aren't even strikers) I'd think that their respective managers would swap for Torres in a heartbeat.

... Drogba as he has more strength and determination than Torres ...

Is this the strength and determination that makes him fall over whenever he gets inside the box? :hihi:

I'd say that Villa, Adebayor, Eto'o, Van Nistelroy, Rooney, Ronaldo and Messi are better forwards than Torres. Berbatov, Drogba and Klose are probably about on par with Torres.

Et'o - who? Seriously... who?

Samuel Eto'o - 79 goals in 108 games for Barca, 34 in 72 for Cameroon.

Is this the strength and determination that makes him fall over whenever he gets inside the box? :hihi:

I'd say that Villa, Adebayor, Eto'o, Van Nistelroy, Rooney, Ronaldo and Messi are better forwards than Torres. Berbatov, Drogba and Klose are probably about on par with Torres.


Torres, whilst not on a par with Crouch, is deffo better than Klose, Berbatov, Adebayor (come on... Adebayor? Actually, what am I saying. Klose and Berbatov are both nambies too...) and Van Nistlerooy... he's probably on a par with Drogba (might just shade the diving little get), Villa and Messi. Rooney is a different pot of kettles. He's not been great but I always think he will be next game. Ronaldo pwns everyone at the moment.


Et'o - who? Seriously... who?

Samuel Eto'o - 79 goals in 108 games for Barca, 34 in 72 for Cameroon. It wasn't a serious question.

Berbatov are both nambies too

Don't start! :hihi:

Torres, whilst not on a par with Crouch, is deffo better than Klose, Berbatov, Adebayor (come on... Adebayor? Actually, what am I saying. Klose and Berbatov are both nambies too...) and Van Nistlerooy... he's probably on a par with Drogba (might just shade the diving little get), Villa and Messi. Rooney is a different pot of kettles. He's not been great but I always think he will be next game. Ronaldo pwns everyone at the moment.


36 goals in 78 games for Arsenal and 30 in 37 games for Togo suggest that, although scum, Adebayor ain't bad! I'd just about be prepared to accept that he's on a par with Torres. And 27 goals in 69 games suggest Berbatov ain't no slouch either! I would also argue that there is a lot more to Berbatov's game than there is to Torres'.

It wasn't a serious question.

I'm slow on the uptake today :hihi:

I'm not saying Torres is rubbish by any means ('cos that'd be stoopid!) - and obviously his got his best years ahead of him - but I don't think he's "probably the best striker/forward in world football". At least not yet!

I'm not saying Torres is rubbish by any means ('cos that'd be stoopid!) - and obviously his got his best years ahead of him - but I don't think he's "probably the best striker/forward in world football". At least not yet!

No, I don't think he's the the best, or even probably the best in the world right now. It's a very tough call to make comparing strikers though, unless you get one who absolutely stands out (Nistlerooy in the early United years, Henry at Arsenal, Raul n Ronaldo back in the late 90s).

He is good though. If only Liverpool had more than one decent defender, midfielder and striker. They might even get above third one year. :hihi:

If only Liverpool had more than one decent defender, midfielder and striker. They might even get above third one year. :hihi:
They have:

Defence; Carragher, Agger, Skrtel.

Midfield; Gerrard, Mascherano, Barry (cos he will sign), Alonso, Babel.

Forward/Strikers; Torres, Keane.


They are good players, great players infact. This forum (which i've known for years now) is very anti-Liverpool, so much so that many on here even go as far to spew up that Torres isn't even in the top 5 of the worlds best strikers :hihi:

Go on, have fun guys.... pick the bones out of that then :hihi:

You prove my point:

1 decent defender
1 decent midfielder (ok, 1 and a half... give the Argie his due)
1 decent striker (not including Keane coz you just bought him.... in fact, face it - INCLUDING Keane, coz Rafa will either play him on the wing or not play him at all...)

Aiming to consolodate your position at the top of the 'Not quite good enough' league, or will the Toffees overhaul you this year?

lol I ain't anti-LFC, I just enjoy a bit of a crack.

Im going to go for Peter Beardsley

Provided Spurs play the formation and team they have started with keep a close eye on Darren Bent,he seems to have found favour and considering what hes been putting away in the friendlies and his goal scoring record the other year for a struggling team,he may cause a few shocks this year.

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Barry (cos he will sign),

Oh NO he WON'T Paul, Dream On!! :hihi::hihi: You haven't enough pennies for him. ;)

Torres is better than Eto, and Van Nistelrooy.

Barry (cos he will sign),

Oh NO he WON'T Paul, Dream On!! :hihi::hihi:;)
Oh YES we WILL ScotchOne... the funds are in place!!! :D
You haven't enough pennies for him. ;)
But it's not me who's buying him? ;)

Torres is better than Eto, and Van Nistelrooy.
Agreed.... and when you take Messi and Ronaldo (who are not out and out strikers) away from Preachermans list, aswell as Henry who was, but isn't as good as Torres anymore...... it makes my arguement of Torres being arguably the best striker in the world, much more creditable!!!

Torres is better than Eto, and Van Nistelrooy.
When Eto is fit he's better, as he's so rarely fit these days Torres will probably do more for a team over a season though.

I'm still reserving judgement on Torres somewhat, he wouldn't be the first striker to have a great 1st season in the Prem only to fade when defenders have sussed him out, that said I'd quite like to have him or someone rather like him in the united squad.

I'm still reserving judgement on Torres somewhat, he wouldn't be the first striker to have a great 1st season in the Prem only to fade when defenders have sussed him out.
Go on then, name another striker that has had a first season like Torres just did (breaking RVN's foriegn goalscoring record) that then went on to fade, as you put it?? Bare in mind however that living up to that goalscoring form will take some doing, remember, Torres didn't take a single penalty throughout last season yet still notched up 34 goals!

I,ll go for Adebayor, when all is said and done he's pure class.

GOOD MAN ME TOO

Go on then, name another striker that has had a first season like Torres just did (breaking RVN's foriegn goalscoring record) that then went on to fade, as you put it?? Bare in mind however that living up to that goalscoring form will take some doing, remember, Torres didn't take a single penalty throughout last season yet still notched up 34 goals!
The most recent one was obviously Benni McCarthy who had a great first season in the prem and then struggled last season, when luckily for Blackburn it turned out to be Santa-Cruz's turn to have a great 1st season.

The most recent one was obviously Benni McCarthy who had a great first season in the prem and then struggled last season, when luckily for Blackburn it turned out to be Santa-Cruz's turn to have a great 1st season.
Yeah, i'll give you that one Plekh although if i remember rightly, wasn't his poor season due to a long list of injuries aswell as loss of form?

Yeah, McCarthy struggled with injuries a lot. I think it's a bit unfair to bring him into it.

Barry (cos he will sign),
Oh YES we WILL ScotchOne... the funds are in place!!! :D
:hihi::hihi::hihi:

That said I would have quite liked Liverpool spending £18m on Barry, it would have been most amusing to see Benitez's bizarre conviction that he has the player to give them the width they so badly need get shown up for the folly it it.