Just seen this on another forum,looks like Gary Glitter is to be released.Scum bag should have kept there.


Aug. 19

I wonder stories he will have of his treatment, not that he deserves sympathy.

Glitter to be freed from Vietnam prison
Friday, August 1 2008, 11:18 BST

By Simon Reynolds, Entertainment Reporter

Rex Features
Gary Glitter will be freed from prison in Vietnam on August 19, AFP reports.

The glam rock singer, real name Paul Francis Gadd, was sentenced to a three-year jail term in 2006 for committing obscene acts with two underage girls in the Vietnamese town of Vung Tau.

Chu Xuan Mau, an official from Z30D Thu Duc prison where Glitter is being held, said: "According to Vietnamese law, Glitter will be freed on August 19. The decision on his release will be read before him that day. It will be signed by the director of the prison."

He added: "We have sent his file to the provincial external relations office and relevant police offices."

Glitter was previously jailed in the UK in 1999 for possession of child pornography

The return of the Diddler. Great.

£5 he gets arrested for more noncing within 3 years ....... Any takers?

The return of the Diddler. Great.

£5 he gets arrested for more noncing within 3 years ....... Any takers?

I'll see your fiver and raise you a tenner.

Yeh, a tenner says he's chucked back in the chokey within the next 18 months.

Suppose he has served more of a prison sentance in Vietnam, than all of the nonces in the U.K. have served.

Jonathon "hello sonny" King did a while inside though Teddie.

What is the matter with men like that, are they born like that or they just want more extreme kicks, is a real woman too much for them, or come to that a real man?

What is the matter with men like that, are they born like that or they just want more extreme kicks, is a real woman too much for them, or come to that a real man?

i think they are actually born like that.
look at both king and gadd both have always admitted what theyve done but never admitted its wrong.
they dont see it as wrong

i think they are actually born like that.
look at both king and gadd both have always admitted what theyve done but never admitted its wrong.
they dont see it as wrong

Arch diddler Jonathon King actually published a song on B3ta called "There's nothing wrong with buggering boys" ....... It was met with a rather unfriendly reception.

I'm convinced that it's hardwired into these offenders which leads me to believe that programs like SOTP are never going to change them one iota.

Needs seeing to be believed,


http://madamearcati.blogspot.com/2008/05/jonathan-king-vile-pervert-musical.html

I really don't want to be in his gang.

I really don't want to be in his gang.

too late, get yer coat :)

errrrrrrrrrrrrrm

What is the matter with men like that, are they born like that or they just want more extreme kicks, is a real woman too much for them, or come to that a real man?

I think it's a bit like being born gay or heterosexual. It's another orientation and not one that anyone chooses voluntarily. There are those that sublimate their urges and never act on them and those that indulge their sexual orientation and cause great suffering to their victims and ultimately to themselves.

I think the answer lies in those that can't control their urges being given medication to obliterate their sex drive.

Well to some that may good news, hope he and Jonathon King play an open air concert in the remote Islands of Scotland to the sheep and take their "wellies" for afters

The man has served his time. What's the problem?


You're all very judgemental.

The man has served his time. What's the problem?


You're all very judgemental.

We're allowed to judge because we don't interfere with kids.

The man has served his time. What's the problem?
You're all very judgemental.Perhaps, to normal people who aren't perverts and aren't a threat to little children, no sentence is ample for paedophiles. The nature of their condition is that they cannot be cured, cannot be dissuaded from their passion, and they are destined to reoffend.

If worrying about kids being abused is judgemental, I'm guilty.

i think they are actually born like that.


If so why be so judgemental. Would you be as judgemental to gays?

The man has served his time. What's the problem?


You're all very judgemental.

Our problem is that he's a recidivist.

If so why be so judgemental. Would you be as judgemental to gays?

Gay people don't Kiddie-fiddle...

If so why be so judgemental. Would you be as judgemental to gays?

some people maybe BORN psychokillers, doesnt make it alright

its about morals and consent, kids dont consent, they are "taken" and have their childhood, and in alot of cases, their lives destroyed.

on the other hand being gay is consentual (apart from obviously if its rape, then thats wrong too as thats not consentual)

you have to look at it also

is 2/3 years long enough to have "paid his dues"?
as ive stated "most" kiddie fiddlers dont believe theyve done anything wrong and DO go on to reoffend (i believe it has the highest rate of reoffending?) the male sex drive is not always something you can halt

Gay people don't Kiddie-fiddle...

I think a few seconds googling at the crimes of gay Catholic priests, gay teachers and gay care home workers over the years might just, just about, prove you wrong there.
Like how the Catholic Church was exposed for hiding crime abuse by its gay priests? Various articles about care workers, and I personally know of 2 cases involvng gay schoolteahcers being suspended (one escaped prosecution because it was 'hushed' by the school).


So, in good old pantomime style "Oh yes they do!!"

Gay people don't Kiddie-fiddle...

Eh? Obviously you get homosexual child abusers just as you get hetrosexual child abusers.

some people maybe BORN psychokillers, doesnt make it alright

its about morals and consent, kids dont consent, they are "taken" and have their childhood, and in alot of cases, their lives destroyed.

on the other hand being gay is consentual (apart from obviously if its rape, then thats wrong too as thats not consentual)

What if the kid consented? Would that make it acceptable?

How can behaviour you consider a person to be born with cause you to be outraged on the one hand and "right on" on the other?

in pts defence i think she meant generally

ALL gays dont kiddie fiddle but ALL kiddie fiddlers do

?

What if the kid consented? Would that make it acceptable?

How can behaviour you consider a person to be born with cause you to be outraged on the one hand and "right on" on the other?

A child does not have the authority to consent which is why there's a legal age of consent.

in pts defence i think she meant generally
ALL gays dont kiddie fiddle but ALL kiddie fiddlers do
?
What she said was unambiguous: 'gay people don't kiddie fiddle'.

They actually do, and historically more than straight people.

A child does not have the authority to consent which is why there's a legal age of consent.

Defined by society and different all over the world.

How can behaviour you consider a person to be born with cause you to be outraged on the one hand and "right on" on the other?

eh? didnt you read my post?

ones consentual ones not

as for your first post it comes down to the law and when somebodys able to consent?
obviously some countries its different to us
you can look at it another way, why is 16 "legal" but 15 isnt? its not much difference, i suppose thats where law comes in they have to draw the line somewhere

What she said was unambiguous: 'gay people don't kiddie fiddle'.

They actually do, and historically more than straight people.

so... most fathers and step fathers (who tend to be the main culprits for Kiddie fiddling) despite being married to, or living with the child's mother, are gay, then?

What she said was unambiguous: 'gay people don't kiddie fiddle'.

They actually do, and historically more than straight people.

i wouldnt say more
you can look at the stats and work it out if you fancy, i aint :P

all pt was trying to say is........thats one major gay stereotype that needs debunking, that gay = peado it doesnt, gay = gay
peados come in all shapes, sizes, orientation and sex

so... most fathers and step fathers (who tend to be the main culprits for Kiddie fiddling) despite being married to, or living with the child's mother, are gay, then?That's not what I said and you know it - I won't waste my time arguing with somebody who attempts to twist my statement. Good day madam.

i wouldnt say more
you can look at the stats and work it out if you fancy, i aint :P

all pt was trying to say is........thats one major gay stereotype that needs debunking, that gay = peado it doesnt, gay = gay
peados come in all shapes, sizes, orientation and sexAgreed, dont have a problem with what you say there at all, as a staement from you - but that's still not what she said!

Not the same at all, as you well know.

It was common through Europe to marry girls in their teens - several years after they sexually mature let's face it.

Mohammed's 'bride' was significantly pre-pubescent, so comparing that with a fully formed young woman, only months below today's age of consent in this country, is grasping at straws.
and comparing now and historically is a bit futile eh?
we all know laws change and peoples "morals" change over time

eh? didnt you read my post?

ones consentual ones not

as for your first post it comes down to the law and when somebodys able to consent?
obviously some countries its different to us
you can look at it another way, why is 16 "legal" but 15 isnt? its not much difference, i suppose thats where law comes in they have to draw the line somewhere

Has the law served its purpose with Glitter in your eyes?

If yes, why judge him further?

I think it's a bit like being born gay or heterosexual. It's another orientation and not one that anyone chooses voluntarily. There are those that sublimate their urges and never act on them and those that indulge their sexual orientation and cause great suffering to their victims and ultimately to themselves.

I think the answer lies in those that can't control their urges being given medication to obliterate their sex drive.

No, Wardonia, nobody is born that evil. There is a huge amount of evidence that men become paedophiles because they themselves were emotionally (and possibly also sexually) abused as children. (Women who are emotionally/sexually abused, on the other hand, tend to self harm, become prostitutes or kill themselves.)

No, Wardonia, nobody is born that evil. There is a huge amount of evidence that men become paedophiles because they themselves were emotionally (and possibly also sexually) abused as children. (Women who are emotionally/sexually abused, on the other hand, tend to self harm, become prostitutes or kill themselves.)

hmmm interesting points

so either?

1: born like it
2: created

What's better in other's opinion? A paedophile who is "out" or a paedophile in the closet?

I don't think hatred of pedophiles is helpful at all. It needs to be seen as a serious condition and those that suffer from that codition need treatment.

That treatment might seem quite harsh as it will involve the suppression of their sex drive through medication, but I believe quite a few pedophiles recognise their position and will take this medication voluntarily. Those that don't should have it imposed on them.

What's better in other's opinion? A paedophile who is "out" or a paedophile in the closet?

A paedophile who is in prison

What's better in other's opinion? A paedophile who is "out" or a paedophile in the closet?

Preferably a paedophile who is subject to MAPPA monitoring and on the sex offenders register.

I don't think hatred of pedophiles is helpful at all. It needs to be seen as a serious condition and those that suffer from that codition need treatment.

That treatment might seem quite harsh as it will involve the suppression of their sex drive through medication, but I believe quite a few pedophiles recognise their position and will take this medication voluntarily. Those that don't should have it imposed on them.

I agree up to a point. It's not what someone thinks or feels at the end of the day that counts. It's what they do. A potential paedophile who manages never to act out their urges definitely deserves your very humane approach. Unfortunately, there are a hell of a lot who do act out and they need to be watched like hawks.

Preferably a paedophile who is subject to MAPPA monitoring and on the sex offenders register.

So why be so judgemental towards one that has served their time, is "out" and will likely be monitored for the rest of their lives? Being so judgemental is only likely to force them behind closed doors is it not? After all, some say they are born like it some say abuse caused it. Either way it doesn't seem like a choice.

So why be so judgemental towards one that has served their time, is "out" and will likely be monitored for the rest of their lives? Being so judgemental is only likely to force them behind closed doors is it not? After all, some say they are born like it some say abuse caused it. Either way it doesn't seem like a choice.

I wish they were monitored for the rest of their lives but, unfortunately, that is not the case at all. They may never be able to work with children again but there's a hundred other ways they could get their nasty hands on a child again. It happens all the time. I don't have a problem with being judgemental about paedophiles. Anyone who is prepared wreak such damage upon an innocent child is completely revolting and immoral and deserves only contempt and hatred.

I wish they were monitored for the rest of their lives but, unfortunately, that is not the case at all. They may never be able to work with children again but there's a hundred other ways they could get their nasty hands on a child again. It happens all the time. I don't have a problem with being judgemental about paedophiles. Anyone who is prepared wreak such damage upon an innocent child is completely revolting and immoral and deserves only contempt and hatred.

What about help?

I don't think hatred of pedophiles is helpful at all. It needs to be seen as a serious condition and those that suffer from that codition need treatment.

That treatment might seem quite harsh as it will involve the suppression of their sex drive through medication, but I believe quite a few pedophiles recognise their position and will take this medication voluntarily. Those that don't should have it imposed on them.

I like your idea of medication, by the way, Wardonia. If tougher sentences were handed out then this could be offered as an alternative to part of that sentence. I guess it would take a lot of monitoring though...

somebody on another forums just said he plans to finish an album that was left unfinished when he went in the clink

anybody know anything about it?
or whether its wise? think anybodyd buy it?

somebody on another forums just said he plans to finish an album that was left unfinished when he went in the clink

anybody know anything about it?
or whether its wise? think anybodyd buy it?

Do you think people still listen to Micheal Jackson or perhaps R Kelly?

What about help?

I agree that help would be appropriate.... if anyone had ever found a way of helping which works. But they haven't. The problem is that once a paedophile has done the unthinkable and abused a child, AND been found out, they can't sink any lower in society's eyes. The one thing that might have stopped them acting (i.e. fear of being caught and found out) has already happened. As far as they're concerned, I guess, they might as well carry on...

Do you think people still listen to Micheal Jackson or perhaps R Kelly?

they were only accused if i remember rightly..........and some would say purely for money?
mind u both of em arent exactly top of their game these days are they either

as for help you CANT help somebody that believes they arent doing wrong

I agree that help would be appropriate.... if anyone had ever found a way of helping which works. But they haven't. The problem is that once a paedophile has done the unthinkable and abused a child, AND been found out, they can't sink any lower in society's eyes. The one thing that might have stopped them acting (i.e. fear of being caught and found out) has already happened. As far as they're concerned, I guess, they might as well carry on...

As far as they are concerned they have done no wrong

they were only accused if i remember rightly..........and some would say purely for money?
mind u both of em arent exactly top of their game these days are they either

as for help you CANT help somebody that believes they arent doing wrong

Who says they don't think they are doing wrong? As said before, some may be born with it some may be doing it because they were abused themselves. Now I don't know what sort of person you are but surely if someone offered you a help with something you didn't truly want you would grasp it? Yes there are the odd extreme exceptions which I'm sure you will try to remind me of but does that mean all paedophiles live in denial and without shame?

R Kelly's trial I believe is on going and MJ has slept with children and been accused more than once. Some of the more judgemental out there would say that was enough evidence for them but then I imagine you're not one to judge people.

Who says they don't think they are doing wrong? As said before, some may be born with it some may be doing it because they were abused themselves. Now I don't know what sort of person you are but surely if someone offered you a help with something you didn't truly want you would grasp it? Yes there are the odd extreme exceptions which I'm sure you will try to remind me of but does that mean all paedophiles live in denial and without shame?

R Kelly's trial I believe is on going and MJ has slept with children and been accused more than once. Some of the more judgemental out there would say that was enough evidence for them but then I imagine you're not one to judge people.
im sure r kellys trial ended a month or so back with a not guilty?

both gadd and king have vehmently denied they have done wrong, even tho theyve admitted doing what they did, i believe most peadophiles do live without shame and thats why ive said its one area that has a high reoffending rate

So why be so judgemental towards one that has served their time, is "out" and will likely be monitored for the rest of their lives? Being so judgemental is only likely to force them behind closed doors is it not? After all, some say they are born like it some say abuse caused it. Either way it doesn't seem like a choice.

Because of the feeling of utter revulsion at a grown man inserting his penis into a child and the knowledge that the reoffending rates for sex offenders mean he'll probably do it again.

I'm sure Mr Glitter is well aware of how loathed he is and is under no illusions as to how the majority of the public feel towards him ..... I suspect that my little bit of ill will towards the man won't drive him underground.

Because of the feeling of utter revulsion at a grown man inserting his penis into a child and the knowledge that the reoffending rates for sex offenders mean he'll probably do it again.

I'm sure Mr Glitter is well aware of how loathed he is and is under no illusions as to how the majority of the public feel towards him ..... I suspect that my little bit of ill will towards the man won't drive him underground.

Now we've established you don't like them. Would it not be better to try and deal with the problem in a sensible way rather than keep on insisting how disgusting you find it all and drive them into a more "undercover" mode? Just observing something and proclaiming how disgusted you are with it doesn't solve a problem does it? Most people feel disgusted with any person engaging in criminal activity, it doesn't stop it happening.

As I've already stated I favour MAPPA monitoring and the sex offender register. I don't believe that programs such as NSOG,CSOG or SOTP work as I don't believe that what is hardwired can be eliminated with a software update.

I would be in favour of convicting repeat sex offenders under the IPP system where it's effectively a life sentence until the offending behaviour is addressed.

i think they are actually born like that.
look at both king and gadd both have always admitted what theyve done but never admitted its wrong.
they dont see it as wrongThat is what paedophiles believe. They are so twisted. I saw a documentary recently, it was a interview with a paedophile who is in jail and he claimed all men feel the same way but they are not brave enough to admit it. He said "it's societies fault that children have to be murdered so they wouldn't tell, if it was legal everyone would be happy." It made me feel so sick I had to switch the T.V off!:rant:

I think it's a bit like being born gay or heterosexual. It's another orientation and not one that anyone chooses voluntarily. There are those that sublimate their urges and never act on them and those that indulge their sexual orientation and cause great suffering to their victims and ultimately to themselves.

I think the answer lies in those that can't control their urges being given medication to obliterate their sex drive.

I have also thought about this. It must be something that needs treating with medication. Rat poison maybe?

Glitter I have no time for but in the case of Jonathan King if you read the story behind his conviction he does come across as being pilloried for a mistake and not so much as evil as Glitter.Re the song mentioned earlier if really look into it is a lampoon of Oscar Wilde and not a personal statement.Like the man or not ,he is a genius in the musical world in regards to the fact that he knows how to generate publicity and make money.Im not defending what he did but unlike Glitter ,he seems to have admitted he made mistakes and it looks as though he is keeping himself clean,maybe it was a mistakes that he made,I dont know but if he has reformed surely he should be allowed to show that he has realised his mistakes and be allowed to get on with his life,unlike Glitter it wasnt very young children he was convicted of abusing but youths who were circling around the pop scene who were already deep into the homosexual lifestyle.Its very easy for a 15 y o youth to pass off as being a lot older,maybe King got dragged into it as I say I dont know and I dont suppose anybody but King himself will know but nobody will ever believe him no matter what he says.

That is what paedophiles believe. They are so twisted. I saw a documentary recently, it was a interview with a paedophile who is in jail and he claimed all men feel the same way but they are not brave enough to admit it. He said "it's societies fault that children have to be murdered so they wouldn't tell, if it was legal everyone would be happy." It made me feel so sick I had to switch the T.V off!:rant:And despite all the experts knowing that paedophiles reoffend and cannot be 'cured', they get released to do it again and again.
Sentencing for any paedophile offence should be full-term life imprisonment, or hanging.

How long until he sells the rights to his story, and makes a pot full of money???:rolleyes:

Glitter I have no time for but in the case of Jonathan King if you read the story behind his conviction he does come across as being pilloried for a mistake and not so much as evil as Glitter

no your definitely wrong there..........king is just as bad.........the thing that sticks in my mind from his case is the way he talked to the cameras and HE WASNT SORRY one bit, he denied he'd done anything wrong at all

The return of the Diddler. Great.

£5 he gets arrested for more noncing within 3 years ....... Any takers?

He is a reformed character. He will do lots of charity work and donate all his money to the homeless.

no your definitely wrong there..........king is just as bad.........the thing that sticks in my mind from his case is the way he talked to the cameras and HE WASNT SORRY one bit, he denied he'd done anything wrong at all

But Una Paloma Blanca is a great song though - you have to give him that.

He is a reformed character. He will do lots of charity work and donate all his money to the homeless.

Yes course he will, him and Michael Jackson will set up a non paying school for abused kids. :hihi:

And despite all the experts knowing that paedophiles reoffend and cannot be 'cured', they get released to do it again and again.
Sentencing for any paedophile offence should be full-term life imprisonment, or hanging.The paedophile in the documentary was serving life (meaning the rest of his life) in jail without parole. It tends to be stricter here. As for the death penalty, it can only be given to someone who knows what they have done is wrong. That's another reason why I don't believe in the death penalty!

Even chemical castration has proved to be useless, it doesn't stop these monsters re-offending.

So why be so judgemental towards one that has served their time, is "out" and will likely be monitored for the rest of their lives? Being so judgemental is only likely to force them behind closed doors is it not? After all, some say they are born like it some say abuse caused it. Either way it doesn't seem like a choice.A lot of sex offender have been abused but that isn't the point. The point is protecting innnocent children and if that means locking up the sex offenders for the rest of their lives, then so be it.

A lot of sex offender have been abused but that isn't the point. The point is protecting innnocent children and if that means locking up the sex offenders for the rest of their lives, then so be it.

Sorry didnt king abuse boys at 15? Old enough to know whats happening i would think.

What about help?What kind of help do you suggest? Nothing has proved affective, apart from keeping them locked up.

They are very clever and manipulative too. They can convince medical boards they are cured and say they realize they have done wrong. They get out and repeat offend.

The man has served his time. What's the problem?


You're all very judgemental.Will you still have that opinion if he gets caught again?

Sorry didnt king abuse boys at 15? Old enough to know whats happening i would think.Do you mean that 15 year old boys that were abused are old enough to know what's happening or King was 15 when he started abusing kids:confused:

Do you mean that 15 year old boys that were abused are old enough to know what's happening or King was 15 when he started abusing kids:confused:
The 15 y olds concerned in the King case were allegedly already well entrenched in the Gay scene and possibly at the time far more streetwise than King himself

The 15 y olds concerned in the King case were allegedly already well entrenched in the Gay scene and possibly at the time far more streetwise than King himselfThat doesn't make it right!

A 15 year old is still a child. If they have been dragged into the child sex industry, it doesn't mean they are happy about it.

A 15 year old is still a child. If they have been dragged into the child sex industry, it doesn't mean they are happy about it. i agree with you tulip

A 15 year old is still a child. If they have been dragged into the child sex industry, it doesn't mean they are happy about it.
I agree with you as well Im just trying to differentiate between Glitter,an obvious pervert and King who is not in the same league as Glitter

i agree with you tulip
Thankyou. That is a relief! Some of the comments people are making on this thread are quite worrying.:thumbsup:

I agree with you as well Im just trying to differentiate between Glitter,an obvious pervert and King who is not in the same league as GlitterGood, I'm pleased. The comment by mattyuk1 was worrying. It wasn't anything you said.:)

I agree with you as well Im just trying to differentiate between Glitter,an obvious pervert and King who is not in the same league as Glitter

Paedo Top Trumps? :D

J King.
Top Ten Hits: 3
Bad Fashion: 7
Dodgy Headgear: 5
Kids Interfered with:8

G. Glitter
Top Ten Hits: 8
Bad Fashion: 9
Dodgy Headgear: 10 (wig)
Kids Interfered with:10

Result? Gary Glitter is the most kiddy diddliest of all the music purveying paedos.

The man has served his time. What's the problem?


You're all very judgemental.i have a problem with it.hes left a few kids sexually molested,he's lied and twisted the truth to try to get away with what he did,he's tried to buy his way out of doing the time, and the time he did only represents a matter of seconds compared with the time those kids have got to live with the memory of what he did to them

hows that ? good enough for you as a responce ? theres a problem that time doesnt cure,money doesnt cure and possibly all the mental health treatment doesnt cure

Paedo Top Trumps? :D

J King.
Top Ten Hits: 3
Bad Fashion: 7
Dodgy Headgear: 5
Kids Interfered with:8

G. Glitter
Top Ten Hits: 8
Bad Fashion: 9
Dodgy Headgear: 10 (wig)
Kids Interfered with:10

Result? Gary Glitter is the most kiddy diddliest of all the music purveying paedos.

What happens if I play my Michael Jackson card?:hihi:

He's a low scoring card as he got a not guilty (but with huge payments to Jordy Chandler's family) ;)