It has to be John Bonham in my opinion. His are the only drum solos I can listen to again and again - particularly his live performances. Some of them come close to guitar riffs. When he died the heart went out of LZ - unlike some other bands, which managed to replace their drummers with little ill- effects, he was so integral to LZ that he was really irreplaceable.

My second choice would be Keith Moon. Despite his antics, not because of them, he was a great rock drummer

Ginger Baker, Cream were superb.

Who is the only drummer whose work you can identify if overheard leaking from somebody elses headphones?

Phil Collins (though he's rather un-cool these days)

cozy powell

bev bevan

the one who was in simple minds year ago

tommy aldrige

phil rudd ac/dc

classy:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Originally posted by LordChaverly
It has to be John Bonham in my opinion. His are the only drum solos I can listen to again and again - particularly his live performances. Some of them come close to guitar riffs. When he died the heart went out of LZ - unlike some other bands, which managed to replace their drummers with little ill- effects, he was so integral to LZ that he was really irreplaceable.

My second choice would be Keith Moon. Despite his antics, not because of them, he was a great rock drummer


Again, you're correct!

1. John Bonham
2. Ginger Baker
3. Hmmmm perhaps Mitch Mitchell

Bonham
Moon
~the best~

also worth a mention :-
Aldridge, Phil rudd(serial snaredrum wrecker he was so loud), Ginger baker, Lars Urich(metallica),
Tommy Lee(M.Crue) if only for his spinning drumkit which was incredible.
Danny Goffey(supergrass)very energetic
Matt Priest (was in dodgy) but now the hardest working session guy in the business and really good drummer
Neil Peart(rush) a bit of a technical drummer's drummer
Stephen Perkins(jane's addiction) this drummer sounded like 2 drummers playing at once, extremely busy, great guy!
Stevie Wonder - incredibly good drummer, I kid you not!
Mike Bordin (F.N.M.)
Andy Sturmer(jellyfish) plays stood up and singing lead vocals

Having browsed through the choices of 'energetic' drummers like the guy in supergrass (yeah right...), here are some truly energetic drummers who are ****hot too.

Raymond Herrera from Fear Factory.
Chris Kontos from Machine Head.
Dave Lombardo from Slayer.
Igor Cavalera from Sepultura.

What about Lars Ulrich people? His technical ability is second to none.

Also worth a mention are:
Dave Grohl
Zach Starkey
Keith Moon

Already Mentioned Lars,

But Yeah Dave Grohl,

to see him drum is a thing of wonder. Especially when he was with the Queens of the stone age was it? a couple of years ago?

The best:

Bill Bruford
Phil Collins
Neil Peart

The worst:

Luke Goss
Mick Fleetwood
Caroline Corr

Originally posted by LordChaverly
It has to be John Bonham in my opinion. His are the only drum solos I can listen to again and again - particularly his live performances. Some of them come close to guitar riffs. When he died the heart went out of LZ - unlike some other bands, which managed to replace their drummers with little ill- effects, he was so integral to LZ that he was really irreplaceable.

My second choice would be Keith Moon. Despite his antics, not because of them, he was a great rock drummer

errm....do you know there are more bands out there then led zeppelin? p.s. yes john bonham was great.

best drum solo ive ever seen was TOMMY ALDRIDGE...he has played for ozzy, whitesnake and im sure lots of other bands. he throws the sticks away and beats the hell out of the drums with his hands....in perfect time!

simon phillips of toto is well regarded....as is the slipknot drummer (not the clown) and my mate (a v.good drummer) recommends Mike Portnoy of Dream Theatre

Originally posted by Agent Gypo
Igor Cavalera from Sepultura.

ohh yeah..forgot that one! great drum sound

Any muppet can be trained to play the drums to an adequte standard for any rock/pop/blues music.

Just look at Ringo. Average drummer, didn't stop the Beatles being one of the greatest bands ever.

Now imagine if George Harrison or Paul McCartney had been of a similar musical ability. The Beatles would have been a very average band.

Originally posted by Yodameister
Now imagine if George Harrison or Paul McCartney had been of a similar musical ability. The Beatles would have been a very average band.

not many people talk about mccartneys bass playing yoda ;) his talent was songwriting...which he also lost a long time ago

Originally posted by MTheo
not many people talk about mccartneys bass playing yoda ;) his talent was songwriting...which he also lost a long time ago

I think he was a great bass player.

But whatever musical talents you thought he brought to The Beatles, what musical talent did Ringo bring?

And name one band that has been turned from a good band into a great band by a drummer?

Originally posted by Yodameister
I think he was a great bass player.

But whatever musical talents you thought he brought to The Beatles, what musical talent did Ringo bring?

And name one band that has been turned from a good band into a great band by a drummer?

lars ulrich - metallica


although i dont like metallica...he is the driving force behind that band

Dave Lombardo from Slayer...I've read a number of interviews with drummers (including Phil Collins) who've all cited Lombardo as one of the best drummers in the world.

Originally posted by Yodameister
And name one band that has been turned from a good band into a great band by a drummer?

I'll name you 4.

Slayer - forgettable career post Lombardo. Live shows were amazing when he came back.
Sepultura - Crap without either Cavalera brother.
Fear Factory - would be worse off without Herrera.
Machine Head - went rapidly downhill when Kontos left.

And that's just the metal acts...

If we are talking about a human powerhouse that propels a band like a force of nature, we are talking about John Bonham. If, on the other hand, we are talking about a master percussionist, with a totally unique and unmistakeable style, a range which spans rock, experimental music, and jazz, with a penchant for impossible time signatures, we are talking about Bill Brufford. It depends what you are looking for, a relentlessly pounding, Tiger Tank of a drummer, or an innovatory master, with the sensibility of a Classical musician.

Bonham or Bruford? Toss the coin. Heads its Bruford.

Bill Bruford, Alan White, John Bonham, Keith Moon, Roger Taylor, Phil Collins....not necessarily in that order....all brilliant IMO

I'd go along with a lot of those mentioned so far, particularly Bill Bruford and Neil Peart of Rush. The other ones that I'd add to the list are: Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater (power, technique, everything), John Hiseman of Colosseum (you have to be getting on a bit to remember them though) and, if you want an example of a drummer who really was the controlling force of a band, the awesome Christian Vander of Magma. Now I'm going to wait for a chorus of 'Who?' but for those who don't have long memories they were a French jazz-rock band of the 1970s whose distinguishing feature was that they sang in a bizarre made-up language called Kobaian; let's just say they were something of an acquired taste but once you'd heard them you certainly wouldn't forget them. If ever a band deserved the label 'unique', it was them.

Travis Barker - Blink 182 - not the flashiest or showiest of drummers, but the guy is meticulous, never misses a beat and can replicate beats created on Pro-Tools.

but also

Dave Grohl - kick ass drummer anyways, but was especially awesome (as stated earlier) when he recorded with QOTSA.

Kieth moon i saw him with the who at the students union top of west street must have been about 1969

Metalman,
Your choice of Magma's hyperkinetic ball of percussive tension, Chris Vander is a good one. He tends to be overlooked today, which explains why such a rare and beautiful spirit as my good self failed to mention him before. I always thought that he rolled around his kit a little like Pierre Moerlen at times.

My Lord Chaverley's inclusion of Can's Jaki Liebziet is also inspired. Those cyclical rhythms, best seen on Tago Mago's Hallelujah, are sadly missed.

Someone with good taste also mentioned Bruford's fellow exponent of batterie in late incarnation Crimson- Pat Mastellotto. Very good, and apparently influenced [as is Bill Bruford], by the great Billy Cobham. I didn't mention Cobham before because he is not a rock drummer. However, if we include the likes of Bruford, Vander and Liebziet, they too have operated in grey areas between rock, jazz and experimental music. Cobham's work on the jazz/rock fusion material of Mahavishnu Orchestra's Birds of Fire and The Inner Mounting Flame demonstrate a peerless technique and sense of time beyond even Bruford. He acknowledges this, in a couple of interviews.

The percussionists mentioned are, to be honest, all a sheer joy. However, even the best of them [probably, in my view, Cobham and Bruford] in terms of technique, 'feel' etc cannot hold a candle to the human drumkit that was Elvin Jones. Most famous as John Coltrane's drummer, Jones was an Octopus at the kit, and did things that nobody else has done, or could do. Anyone interested in percussion should, in my view, listen to Elvin Jones.

What about Mr Cool himself the one and only CHARLIE WATTS

Originally posted by timo

The percussionists mentioned are, to be honest, all a sheer joy. However, even the best of them [probably, in my view, Cobham and Bruford] in terms of technique, 'feel' etc cannot hold a candle to the human drumkit that was Elvin Jones. Most famous as John Coltrane's drummer, Jones was an Octopus at the kit, and did things that nobody else has done, or could do. Anyone interested in percussion should, in my view, listen to Elvin Jones.

Sounds as though you've got a lot of the same albums as me! All those old Mahavishnu Orchestra ones, and Can as well. I've only got one with Elvin Jones on though, which is the one he did with Bill Frisell and Dave Holland a few years ago. He must be in fairly restrained form on that one, or else he may be getting on a bit by now.

Its pleasing to know that there are other Can fans in Sheffield. I thought i was the only one here who liked them.

Metalman,
You sound like a cove with splendid taste. Forget any rubbish Elvin Jones did with Frisell. Listen to his work with Coltrane, when a young man. You will thank me for it...

Originally posted by metalman
I'd go along with a lot of those mentioned so far, particularly Bill Bruford and Neil Peart of Rush. The other ones that I'd add to the list are: Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater (power, technique, everything), John Hiseman of Colosseum (you have to be getting on a bit to remember them though) and, if you want an example of a drummer who really was the controlling force of a band, the awesome Christian Vander of Magma. Now I'm going to wait for a chorus of 'Who?' but for those who don't have long memories they were a French jazz-rock band of the 1970s whose distinguishing feature was that they sang in a bizarre made-up language called Kobaian; let's just say they were something of an acquired taste but once you'd heard them you certainly wouldn't forget them. If ever a band deserved the label 'unique', it was them.

...and Steve Davies the snooker player is a huge fan of Magma (and prog rock as a whole)

Originally posted by mojoworking
...and Steve Davies the snooker player is a huge fan of Magma (and prog rock as a whole)

Indeed he is, and I think at one stage he actually put up some money to get their albums released over here, but to the usual complete indifference of the public. Just shows he's more interesting than people give him credit for!

Whatever next, Ronnie O'Sullivan joins a reformed Henry Cow?

Originally posted by timo
Whatever next, Ronnie O'Sullivan joins a reformed Henry Cow?

Even better: Alex "Hurricane" Higgins with the Soft Machine!

No particular order:
Dave Grohl
Phil Collins
Chester Thompson
Neil Peart

Mo Tucker from the Velvet Underground

Trust dear old Foo to surprise us with the name, half-forgotten, of Chester Thompson. He played with Weather Report didn't he? I seem to remember him taking over the traps from Phil Collins for live Genesis gigs, so that Collins could concentrate on singing. If I recall correctly, Bill Bruford had previously filled the post. Collins made the observation that Bruford [though brilliant], 'played for himself', whereas Thompson played what was 'right' for the music.

The phrase, 'played for himself' stuck in my mind. I suppose such musical selfishness is preferable to Ringo Starr's technique, which might be descibed as 'playing with himself'. When asked by a gushing reporter if he thought Ringo was 'the best drummer in the world', the laconic, dry John Lennon is said to have replied, 'He's not even the best drummer in the Beatles'...

Originally posted by timo
Trust dear old Foo to surprise us with the name, half-forgotten, of Chester Thompson. He played with Weather Report didn't he? I seem to remember him taking over the traps from Phil Collins for live Genesis gigs, so that Collins could concentrate on singing. If I recall correctly, Bill Bruford had previously filled the post. Collins made the observation that Bruford [though brilliant], 'played for himself', whereas Thompson played what was 'right' for the music.


More interestingly, Chester also did a fairly long stint with Zappa.

Keith Moon :thumbsup:

Moon certainly had 'feel', but by his own admission, he lacked a lot in technique. Then again, the roughly-hewn, ramshackle approach to the 'traps' served Robert Wyatt well. Some like it, and a more technically-accomplished player would be hardpressed to achieve the same sound. Despite the volume, and clattery nature of Moon's percussion, there is also fragility there. It is sometimes on the edge of collapsing, breaking down. That can give a certain 'edge' to the sound of the early Who. Mind you, I was never a great fan of theirs.

I'd have to say Lars Ulrich from Metallica! Whenever he palys, you can very much tell exactly who is playing!!

Originally posted by MTheo
lars ulrich - metallica


although i dont like metallica...he is the driving force behind that band
not only him! James Hetfield is probably tied with Lars for that one!

There's an 'interview' with Steve Davis in today's Look Local, which has just dropped through my letterbox, and in answer to the question 'What's your favourite piece of music' he's still saying Christian Vander and Magma.

This thread actually prompted me to go and look at Magma's website (http://www.seventhrecords.com/) and it appears that they are back in business to some extent - after 20 years of doing some not very interesting stuff, Vander has dusted off his drumkit, recruited a new collection of musicians (including Bernard Paganotti's children, bizarrely) and made a proper new Magma album called K.A.; they're also out on tour with it at the moment. Mind you he does seem to have aged rather judging from the photo gallery, but the mp3 samples sounded not too bad.

Another little known fact is that in 1978 Antoine de Caunes (yes, that one) wrote a book about Magma - there's a picture of it on their website.

Fyfe Ewing - Therapy? pre 1996

amazing sound that any1 who plays for therapy since has tried to recreate....they never quite get it right.

check out `TEETHGRINDER' one of the best songs live ive ever heard. the lights and the massive sound. much better live then on cd...but still a great song with brilliant drum sound

Originally posted by Yodameister
And name one band that has been turned from a good band into a great band by a drummer?

Led Zeppelin

Listen to the live performances....

Originally posted by IanMitchell
Led Zeppelin

Shoulda seen that once coming :roll: :P

I agree with MTheo, Lars Ulrich :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Deejay
Shoulda seen that once coming :roll: :P

I agree with MTheo, Lars Ulrich :thumbsup:

He sucks compared to Bonham :P

Originally posted by IanMitchell
He sucks compared to Bonham :P

Who :confused:

Originally posted by Deejay
Who :confused:

You're kidding aren't you DJ

John Bonham "Bonzo"

Originally posted by IanMitchell
You're kidding aren't you DJ

John Bonham "Bonzo"

Nope I ain't but Im assuming he's the drummer of Led Zepp ?

Originally posted by MTheo
Fyfe Ewing - Therapy? pre 1996

amazing sound that any1 who plays for therapy since has tried to recreate....they never quite get it right.

check out `TEETHGRINDER' one of the best songs live ive ever heard. the lights and the massive sound. much better live then on cd...but still a great song with brilliant drum sound

Best drummer I ever heard. The intro on Tetthgrinder is fantastic, and Ive never heard anyone replicate it properly.

Originally posted by Deejay
Nope I ain't but Im assuming he's the drummer of Led Zepp ?

You assume correct Mr. Deejay ;)