Short answer - yes.

We firmly believe that two separate schools was the best option, but that is now off the table.

The absolute worst case scenario though would be that the new school opens its gates in 2011 without solving any of the problems we know we will have - particularly the transport issue. The worst case would be a merged school that has no support from local parents.

So yes, I would urge people to get involved in the process of planning the new school to make it a success, and to keep making a fuss about issues like transport. I have said this to SOCS too so they know where I stand.

In the new year we will also be kicking off a process to decide what happens with the existing Wisewood site, so watch this space for further news.

Hi Joe and all reading. Thank you so much for the clarification. We realise that our Lib Dem policy was to have 2 seperate schools but rally good to see that you acknowledge Paul Scriven's and Andy Sangar's public wods in stating that te only option now is the merged school option.

I really like our entreaty to ask all here posting, including SOCS, to work together to make the new school (a merged school) a success. There are clearly difficulties to overcome like transport but your posting makes it pretty clear that these should NOT be seen as reasons to continue to oppose the merger, but issues for groups to come together about to ensure the best solutions whilst delivering the new school. I think that's what you are saying Joe, and I am pretty clear from my contacts that that is what all those charged with delivering the school from a parent/community point of view want also. I for one look forward to working closely with you in the New Year to ensure that we can deliver the best school possible within the budget we are given, with the best safety possible for our kids and with the best possible access and solution to the percevied transport problems.

Thanks Joe for finally clarifying our party's position and the way in which we will be working to deliver this newl merged school.

Best wishes to all and Happy New Year for 2009!

I taught at both schools on my Hallam teaching placement AND wrote an assignment on the merger of the schools. It has become clear from some of the previous posts that many parents of the schools have never actually read the original merger document but have only acted on the usual shock tabloid tactics used by some of the wisewood parents.

I use the word parents here because, having spoken to pupils at both schools, none of the parents seem to have taken into account the actual educational needs of the pupils here. Wisewood is an improving school yes (with a good team of teacher I may add) but its small, has no room for expansion and some of the school is in need of repair or renovation which just isnt possible due to the small size. Myers is an average comprehensive school but the place is to bits. Many classrooms remain empty due to a lack of pupils to fill the seats and some of the buildings would be better off demolished.

As numbers fall at both schools funding will also drop which in turn limits the educational opportunities for the school, particularly in more practical subjects such as technology, art and food technology which are already performed on a shoestring.

The fact is a brand new school on the myers site will accomodate all pupils within the local area, and provide state-of-the-art educational facilities for the pupils: New workshops, classrooms and IT infrastructure.

The only arguements Ive seen from the wisewood parents involve traffic numbers and pupils having to (god forbid) get up half an hour earlier to get to school on time. 2 miles is about 30 mins walk for the average 14 year old, which gives them plenty of exercise as well! I used to walk 45mins to school every day: up at 7, leave at 745 and then home by 4pm. Hardly a long day is it? Transport issues could easily be solved with a school bus system in place for the farthest pupils, and anyone living in hillsborough can walk it pretty easily. Remember: no-one forces you to drive your children to school but you.

I taught at both schools on my Hallam teaching placement AND wrote an assignment on the merger of the schools. It has become clear from some of the previous posts that many parents of the schools have never actually read the original merger document but have only acted on the usual shock tabloid tactics used by some of the wisewood parents.

I use the word parents here because, having spoken to pupils at both schools, none of the parents seem to have taken into account the actual educational needs of the pupils here. Wisewood is an improving school yes (with a good team of teacher I may add) but its small, has no room for expansion and some of the school is in need of repair or renovation which just isnt possible due to the small size. Myers is an average comprehensive school but the place is to bits. Many classrooms remain empty due to a lack of pupils to fill the seats and some of the buildings would be better off demolished.

As numbers fall at both schools funding will also drop which in turn limits the educational opportunities for the school, particularly in more practical subjects such as technology, art and food technology which are already performed on a shoestring.

The fact is a brand new school on the myers site will accomodate all pupils within the local area, and provide state-of-the-art educational facilities for the pupils: New workshops, classrooms and IT infrastructure.

The only arguements Ive seen from the wisewood parents involve traffic numbers and pupils having to (god forbid) get up half an hour earlier to get to school on time. 2 miles is about 30 mins walk for the average 14 year old, which gives them plenty of exercise as well! I used to walk 45mins to school every day: up at 7, leave at 745 and then home by 4pm. Hardly a long day is it? Transport issues could easily be solved with a school bus system in place for the farthest pupils, and anyone living in hillsborough can walk it pretty easily. Remember: no-one forces you to drive your children to school but you.

Im sorry, Wisewood isnt an improving school - its one of the best in Sheffield - so im sorry to say that parents of children at Wisewood are thinking about their childrens education (closing one of the best schools in Sheffield to merge with another will not continue this success - it will take years if it happens to gain the success that Wisewood has at the 'new school')!!

And if you had been following the merger thread from the very beginning then you would see that its not just about the traffic or the kids having to walk further and get up earlier - and I dont know why people are banging on about children needing the exercise - not all children are unfit!!!

many parents of the schools have never actually read the original merger document but have only acted on the usual shock tabloid tactics used by some of the wisewood parents.



The fact is a brand new school on the myers site will accomodate all pupils within the local area, and provide state-of-the-art educational facilities for the pupils: New workshops, classrooms and IT infrastructure.

The only arguements Ive seen from the wisewood parents involve traffic numbers and pupils having to (god forbid) get up half an hour earlier to get to school on time. 2 miles is about 30 mins walk for the average 14 year old, which gives them plenty of exercise as well! easily. Remember: no-one forces you to drive your children to school but you.

What points you made SHOCK TACTICS by who and what parents?

Perhaps you not herd anything about postcode gangs in the areas at all??

Wisewood is NOW one of the best schools in sheffield a CATEGORY 1 school according to Lea!! i would say thats good for childrens education dont you think?

Myers is a big school and has playing fields on site BUT heres the problem why has is it failed school??? Why has the Head of the school Mr wilkinson lost his job , It was said he would see the job thru untill it was a merger school?

If both schools are in such bad repair WHO LET THEM get this way???? and why??

A few facts Myers had a upper school at one bit- Mr blunkit seemed to have got rid of this i recall a post saying.

Also loxley college had plenty of room to be made bigger and better but seem to want to move away !!!

WHY does MYERS school need wisewood pupils so badly and come to think of it its teachers???? can it not survive by itself!!!!!

If education was sooooo bad in both areas why was this not brought up along time ago (years ago)???

Why spend millions on a new gym for wisewood and ITS PUPILS for it not to be used in years to come !!!

Lets go back before any merger was said shall we - DID any parents state that we need a merger at all for education sake in the area??
did we all seem very happy with the way our children was getting education ? the point is we was very happy .. its only labour party thats turned two communities against each other :mad:

SOCS stated they wanted a BRAND NEW school for myers with its 14-19 bit and a wisewood refurb - are we really bad people for saying that like alot on here keep saying we are????

In my opinion its the primary schools that NEED new builds and refurbs and fast!! ive been around some of the primary schools in the local areas and they are shocking!!! WHO has let them get this bad??? why are our children having to put up with primary schools like this . to be very onest i would love the bsf money to be spent on Wisewood, marcliffe, malin bridge, hillsborough, loxley etc primary schools before ANY Merger BUT thats my opinion not socs

Unfortunately, it does work like that.

You cannot seriously be telling me that you were making a promise to spend an additional £25m without having done the analysis and made a plan as to how it could be delivered?

It could only come from either
1) a £25m additional income from capital receipts from selling assets - and, this at a time when all councils were reducing their assumptions about receipts because of the economic outlook, or
2) not doing things which were already in the capital programme, as well as using all the uncommitted resources in Yrs 2 & 3 of the programme.
I am seriously telling you that. That's the way it works - the Full Council sets the budget, and nothing is final until it does.

This is the straight, honest truth. Yes, the money would have to come from somewhere, and no, I'm not trying to soft-soap you and pretend there would be no cost. But if you're asking for a list of things that would definitely have had to come out of the capital budget, I'm trying to tell you that list simply does not exist.

I'm not saying that there isn't a cost to keeping your promises. It would have cost us £25m. We would have had to find that money as part of the budget process. But we considered that £25m to be a worthwhile investment in childrens' education, even if the Government didn't agree.

If you don't agree that was a good use of Council money, then you can thank the Labour Government for saving us that particular problem. But I can tell you I'd much rather have the headache of finding that £25m and knowing that parents in my ward could continue to rely on a popular, successful, local school.

Umeeksk:
You didn't just promise to fight for a two-school solution.

You posted:
“The motion was proposed by Lib Dem Steve Ayris….. supported by all 39 Lib Dem councillors…….. If you read the motion as a whole, it's unambiguous - the merger process is to be stopped and both schools will be kept open.”
I thought we were talking about what we promised at the last election? I posted that eighteen months ago.

If that motion (in June 2007) had been the end of the matter then we might well have succeeded in stopping the merger. As it was, the Labour administration decided to have a re-vote two months later and overturned the decision.

Let me be quite clear about this.

We have consistently fought for a two school solution against the previous Labour Council, the Labour Government, secondary headteachers and assorted bureaucrats of all shapes and sizes.

We fought for two schools because we believed it was better for local children, and because local people told us that was what they wanted.

We have done so over a period eighteen months including four votes of the full Council, and continued to do so right up until the moment the Government told us no.

That's all a matter of public record and no amount of rewriting history by the Labour opposition will alter that!

Let me be quite clear about this.

We have consistently fought for a two school solution against the previous Labour Council, the Labour Government, secondary headteachers and assorted bureaucrats of all shapes and sizes.

We fought for two schools because we believed it was better for local children, and because local people told us that was what they wanted.We have done so over a period eighteen months including four votes of the full Council, and continued to do so right up until the moment the Government told us no.

That's all a matter of public record and no amount of rewriting history by the Labour opposition will alter that!

Yes and well done for it i must add:thumbsup:
Its very clear i think that after seeing what a great school wisewood is for education and its pupils and what myers could also be if given the chance What lib dems wanted !!!
They wanted to save both schools !!! as SOCS do !! if only some out there would listen and not go along with labours party line :rolleyes:
i may also add Lib Dems fought 18 months ago and since then WISEWOOD is a category 1 school - perhaps they knew wisewoods potential along time ago.

I urge LiB dem sheffield council to keep fighting for what they said as SOCS are .
in my opinion we voted lib dems in council to make things better for sheffield and its locals -not to back down when labour speak -FIGHT FOR US !!!!

Question?
What was on the myers site before it was a school ?
i only ask as someone said it was factories . im sure it was just green land before (please settle this little friendly argument that i had after a beer or 2 lol)

Yes and well done for it i must add:thumbsup:
Its very clear i think that after seeing what a great school wisewood is for education and its pupils and what myers could also be if given the chance What lib dems wanted !!!
They wanted to save both schools !!! as SOCS do !! if only some out there would listen and not go along with labours party line :rolleyes:
i may also add Lib Dems fought 18 months ago and since then WISEWOOD is a category 1 school - perhaps they knew wisewoods potential along time ago.

I urge Lib Dem sheffield council to keep fighting for what they said as SOCS are .
in my opinion we voted lib dems in council to make things better for sheffield and its locals -not to back down when labour speak -FIGHT FOR US !!!!

Oh dear oh dear - Joe - as you are now regularly posting on here - please confirm to Masons that I am NOT a member of the Labour party, but one of ours!! - I am NOT in anyway going along with ANY Labour party line in my thinking and my work to make this new school happen - god forbid! What I will do is fight tooth and nail to make sure that all our kids have the best facilities, the best curriculum and the best staff in any school this side of the city! Labour and even my party when briefly in power last time failed consistently to invest in schools this side of the city, believing that voter power in Sheffield 10 and beyond was what counted - Not any more!! Joe (Taylor) and Andy (Sangar) and Paul (Scriven) and now their Senior Officer in Sonia Sharpe and even party Leader Nick Clegg (whose constituency the school will be in) have made it pretty clear - no other alternative right now SO>>>>> SO>>>>>> Let's make it happen in the best interests of our kids. 2009 will need us to look forward in delivering the new school, NOT look backwards in opposing it!!! Happy New Year to all.

[QUOTE=masonsarmsfc;4475619]Question?
What was on the myers site before it was a school ?
i only ask as someone said it was factories . im sure it was just green land before (please settle this little friendly argument that i had after a beer or 2 lol)


It was farmland.
There were no factories where Myers Grove school stands?

[QUOTE=masonsarmsfc;4475619]Question?
What was on the myers site before it was a school ?
i only ask as someone said it was factories . im sure it was just green land before (please settle this little friendly argument that i had after a beer or 2 lol)


It was farmland.
There were no factories where Myers Grove school stands?

Thanks bazjea - so i think i was more close than my friend was:hihi: greenland ,farm land same thing :hihi:

Let's make it happen in the best interests of our kids. 2009 will need us to look forward in delivering the new school, NOT look backwards in opposing it!!! [/B] Happy New Year to all.

Really sorry harry but parents are not backing down and will fight to the very end on this one -hope thats very very clear!!!!!
And in the best interests of our kids parents feel they are getting a good education NOW why change something thats working ??

as said both schools keep open- wisewood a refurb , Myers a new school with its 11-19 bit on site i see no problem there and both communities get something
Rather than a communitie school closing !!

Im sure you think you know best and im very sure we can make our own minds up on posts on this thread
Happy new year look forward to more communitie meetings and a HELL of alot more protests this year -i cant wait :thumbsup::thumbsup:
(oh and a big thanks to our lib dem councillors who are still giving us advice look forward to see you at the next socs meeting)

So now we know the new school if goes ahead can only be built on the same footprint of the existing school.
How many mobiles will be needed?? im sure it was stated in consultations that they would not need mobiles because it was going to be built at the side of myers!!

So do all parents now know this? , i thought this was a big concern for those that are for the merger school?

Does not seem to mention it on the newschool2011 website -

sorry Masons your post is confusing.

From what I understand the school will be built alongside the existing ( and the size cannot be larger than the existing footprint) and to accommodate the reduced size of the school during the build period the roll for children entering myers from 09 onwards will be reduced to approx 180 pupils, which would mean less accommodation needed whilst the build takes place. I have not heard or read any mention of mobiles.

They weren't mentioned at the consultation even held by area panel at the end of last year.

sorry Masons your post is confusing.

From what I understand the school will be built alongside the existing ( and the size cannot be larger than the existing footprint) and to accommodate the reduced size of the school during the build period the roll for children entering myers from 09 onwards will be reduced to approx 180 pupils, which would mean less accommodation needed whilst the build takes place. I have not heard or read any mention of mobiles.

They weren't mentioned at the consultation even held by area panel at the end of last year.

Plans have changed since the last meeting fox.

The school can now only be built on the current footprint as it is in the greenbelt.

So mobiles will be used for the pupils that would be using the school while it is to be built.

Oh dear oh dear - Joe - as you are now regularly posting on here - please confirm to Masons that I am NOT a member of the Labour party, but one of ours!! - new school, NOT look backwards in opposing it!!! [/B] Happy New Year to all.

Joe im sure you can confirm what harry says ?

and sorry harry but we are still opposing it and will keep doing so :)
As will communitie groups and parents who are still against it .

Just like to say thanks as well to the many many Emails socs have been getting
and the good work we are doing:thumbsup:
And thanks to the feeder school parents and some of there pupils for raising there traffic worries that will be forward on to the right persons.
Also thanks to the Local Lib dem councillors who are working hard with its communitie about this

Please keep them coming and more info of meetings ,protests etc etc will be coming soon
Thanks again!!!

[QUOTE=barmyowls;4532749]Joe im sure you can confirm what harry says ?QUOTE]

Hope this helps those who use my "on line ID" to suggest I am a Labour party member and not a Lib Dem! I have PM'd Joe and asked, like Barmy, from the knowledge that he has of me, to confirm the truth of my membership, whilst of course, maintaining my ID on here - just thought it would be good to get that one out of the way and get back to the actual debate about why so many people and parents are working hard to deliver a brand new school for our kids on the Wood Lane site, and like those opposing, will do anything and everything to ensure it happens on time and to the best standard of facilities with the bst possible curriculum

Joe im sure you can confirm what harry says

Hope this helps those who use my "on line ID" to suggest I am a Labour party member and not a Lib Dem! I have PM'd Joe and asked, like Barmy, from the knowledge that he has of me, to confirm the truth of my membership, whilst of course, maintaining my ID on here - just thought it would be good to get that one out of the way and get back to the actual debate about why so many people and parents are working hard to deliver a brand new school for our kids on the Wood Lane site, and like those opposing, will do anything and everything to ensure it happens on time and to the best standard of facilities with the bst possible curriculum
Have just checked my PMs!

I can indeed confirm that - Harryarwen is a Liberal Democrat, is not a member of the Labour party and is definitely not Harry Harpham. :D

Have just checked my PMs!

I can indeed confirm that - Harryarwen is a Liberal Democrat, is not a member of the Labour party and is definitely not Harry Harpham. :D

Joe - many thanks! At last we can focus on the issues here!! Thanks for your confirmation and the confirmation previously from our party that we are actively now working to delvier the new school option and NOT seeking any more the 2 school option that we sought to deliver at election time> I know we were sold down the river by Labour over the funding, but we now have chosen to do all we can to make this new school the best given the circumstances. I look forward Joe to continuing to work with you, Steve A, Diane L and Paul S to deliver the new school on the Wood Lane site. Thanks again. Harryarwen :)

but we now have chosen to do all we can to make this new school the best given the circumstances. I look forward Joe to continuing to work with you, Steve A, Diane L and Paul S to deliver the new school on the Wood Lane site. Thanks again. Harryarwen :)


Harry - i know your only option is the school and really for Myers to carry on it needs the merger .

But you dont really seem that interested in the Traffic issue, Saftey issues, and as you said as a Parent yourself you would have thought you would have .

Theres Many issues still to be passed on this merger and its not looking as clear as you think!!!

Joe and Steve both know why they got voted in at the local elections and Steve A, Was at the last SOCS meeting last week as he has been to nearly every socs meeting. Wonder why lib dems are attending meetings when they are going ahead with the school ???

One thing someone (parent) has pointed out to me this week in a news paper
A council has got rid of all school governors at a failing school -stating it just not good enuff. So this parent said to me as myers has Failed more than once That there governors should go - Very good point i thought . and just a thought Alot of the myers governors are on the proposing group and Governing body that run the school - If the new school goes ahead would parents want Governors that have helped make myers FAIL!!!

Quote"One thing someone (parent) has pointed out to me this week in a news paper
A council has got rid of all school governors at a failing school -stating it just not good enuff. So this parent said to me as myers has Failed more than once That there governors should go - Very good point i thought . and just a thought Alot of the myers governors are on the proposing group and Governing body that run the school - If the new school goes ahead would parents want Governors that have helped make myers FAIL!!!"

According to the this years local GCSE results. Myers Grove School had an increase
of 7% of A-C grades over last year, and is the only failing school in this area to have
come out of this category. It is no longer a failing school.

Quote"One thing someone (parent) has pointed out to me this week in a news paper
A council has got rid of all school governors at a failing school -stating it just not good enuff. So this parent said to me as myers has Failed more than once That there governors should go - Very good point i thought . and just a thought Alot of the myers governors are on the proposing group and Governing body that run the school - If the new school goes ahead would parents want Governors that have helped make myers FAIL!!!"

According to the this years local GCSE results. Myers Grove School had an increase
of 7% of A-C grades over last year, and is the only failing school in this area to have
come out of this category. It is no longer a failing school.

So myers is not near the bottom of the table now then?
Over the last few years - The myers governors have to take some of the blame for myers failings -
Im sure many would agree If the new school goes ahead Then the school should have the best governors to run it NOT ones that have failed badley for myers !!

So myers is not near the bottom of the table now then?
Over the last few years - The myers governors have to take some of the blame for myers failings -
Im sure many would agree If the new school goes ahead Then the school should have the best governors to run it NOT ones that have failed badley for myers !!

I have to say that I find this quite an ill thought out arguement, particularly when linked to the original Proposing group. Anyway, it is easily nullified! As far as I understand, a temporary Governing body for the new school was appointed towards the end of 2008. It is now that Governing body that will appoint the Head, decide on issues re curriculm and in fact, ALL matters in moving forward with the new school.

I suggest Barmy that you take a look at the composition of that Governing body! Of course, there are 1 or 2 parent Governors from Myers on the body, as equally there are from Wisewood School (3 reps from Wisewood!) There are also parent Governor reps from every Feeder school to the new school - the feeder schools from both Myers and Wisewood catchments. Coupled with LEA appointed Governor, with Cllr. Diane Leek (Lib Dem) as well, plus other Community Governors, there is no arguement to make here, only mischief that doesn't hold up, I'm afraid!!

The new/interim Governing body has full support of all LEA departments - Governor Support, Planning and HR are reported to have been invovled in all recent meetings. I suggest anyone who wants to know contacts Governor suport for relevant details!

It is really good to see our Lib Dem party having input onto the Governing Body of the newly to be merged school as this surely must allay Barmy's fears!
I would encourage all to keep up with developments as even those in opposition don't seem to have the clear and obvious facts about who is leading this process now!!

I would encourage all to keep up with developments as even those in opposition don't seem to have the clear and obvious facts about who is leading this process now!!


Not alot know very much about Whos leading the process NOW !
No letters have been sent wisewoods way!!! :loopy:

so whos on the governing body now ? a full list would be good im sure HARRY you would be welcome putting it on here or even to just PM me the list!

Perhaps if communities were more informed this would help dont you think?
How about letting the local communitie groups know in the areas? As these dont know as well
All seems very hush hush WHATS going on at the moment

STILL after all the hard work lets hope the Planning gets passed for it all - (not looking good i hear so far from a good friend on planning)

Not alot know very much about Whos leading the process NOW !
No letters have been sent wisewoods way!!! :loopy:

so whos on the governing body now ? a full list would be good im sure HARRY you would be welcome putting it on here or even to just PM me the list!

Perhaps if communities were more informed this would help dont you think?
How about letting the local communitie groups know in the areas? As these dont know as well
All seems very hush hush WHATS going on at the moment

STILL after all the hard work lets hope the Planning gets passed for it all - (not looking good i hear so far from a good friend on planning)

Hi Masons, - not sure I need to PM you this information. I emailed Governors Support Team this morning for a list and as it's in the public domain, was sent a list pretty quickly. Whilst I don't want to disclose names (I'm not sure I have that permission) I can tell you the structure from analysing the list. There are 19 Governors and 4 Associate Governors.

Of this 19, 11 are Parent Governors - 2 from Wisewood Secondary, and 2 from Myers Grove. Malin Bridge Primary has 1, Wisewood Primary has 1, Shooters Grove Primary has 2, Rivelin Primary has 1 and Marlcliffe Primary has 2.

There is 1 LA Govoernor - a Lib Dem Cllr., and a further 2 Community Governors - 1 from Sheffield Hallam University and 1 representing Autism Plus. That leaves 2 staff Governor places - 1 each for Wisewood and Myers. Wisewood hold the teacher post and Myers the Support staff post. These are reversed with the 4 Associate Governors (non-voting) where Myers have a teaching rep and Wisewood a Support staff rep. The further Associate Governors include the acting Exec Head who cannot be a Governor in her own right as she is not appointed at the new school, and 1 member of the Proposing group - a parent of a pre-school child.

That leaves a further 3 community Governors who are made up of further reps from Wisewood Secondary and Myers Governing bodies.

Hope that anmswers the structure - as I say, contact Governor Support team for more info.

After reading, I am sure you will agree that there is no preponderance from any 1 secondary or primary school, but a well balanced Governing body, including a City Councillor (Lib Dem) well placed to take the new school further. :hihi: :D

Hi Masons, - not sure I need to PM you this information. I emailed Governors Support Team this morning for a list and as it's in the public domain, was sent a list pretty quickly. Whilst I don't want to disclose names (I'm not sure I have that permission) I can tell you the structure from analysing the list. There are 19 Governors and 4 Associate Governors.



Sorry you say "Its in Public Domain" can you put the link on here Then ?
Theres no point in emailing "AS ITS public domain" ;)
Perhaps even better if the proposing group put the names etc on there website so its on public domain there as well.

"The governors are considering having different start times for different ages in the school to lessen transport problems"

Now i find this really odd from the proposing group /shadow governors
Dont they know that some parents go to work and i think would like there child to be in school at the normal time as alot of parents job fits round the school times also parents have other siblings to consider as well!!:mad:

But it does admit AGAIN what a big big problem the traffic issues are for malin bridge and SO FAR theres no answer to the added Gridlock, air pollution , and child saftey
Theres a long way to go on this one .
Im sure its all well and good Planning a big school merger a new name for the school etc etc-But the basics of planning traffic etc should be sorted first and it seems the basics are not planned:rolleyes:

Hi Masons, - not sure I need to PM you this information. I emailed Governors Support Team this morning for a list and as it's in the public domain, was sent a list pretty quickly. Whilst I don't want to disclose names (I'm not sure I have that permission) I can tell you the structure from analysing the list. There are 19 Governors and 4 Associate Governors.

:hihi: :D

Harry if it public domain -theres no problem putting it on here or putting a link to it - ;)
Look forward to you putting it on here

The meeting with Mr david Blunkett - that he asks for about the school i understand a grand total of 5 went , 1 was him and anouther a labour party member:hihi:
(all them leaflets that went out only 5 turn up ) shocking not sure if its something to do with the communities not trusting labour ;)

The meeting with Mr david Blunkett - that he asks for about the school i understand a grand total of 5 went , 1 was him and anouther a labour party member:hihi:
(all them leaflets that went out only 5 turn up ) shocking not sure if its something to do with the communities not trusting labour ;)

I would say that it was because the vast majority of the local community
are not bothered one way or another about the building of the new school.
I take it you could not bother to attend?

I would say that it was because the vast majority of the local community
are not bothered one way or another about the building of the new school.
I take it you could not bother to attend?

SOCS had a representative at the meeting - no need to bombard Mr Blunkett with all the members of SOCS!!

wisewood is a perfectly good school, whereas myers isnt, i am taking part in helping choose designs and colours the amount off classrooms and so on for the school. the pupils have a big say in what they'd like the school to look like, and they have seen a video on some other new schools that have just been built. the reason they are buildin this new school is because there isnt enough pupils in wisewood and myers and putting the schools together there should be a right amount of pupils..

Molly

The council did get there figures wrong and there will be too many pupils in the area - who has explained everything about the merger to you??

SOCS had a representative at the meeting - no need to bombard Mr Blunkett with all the members of SOCS!!

Was it a closed meeting, or open to all members of the public?

Sorry you say "Its in Public Domain" can you put the link on here Then ?
Theres no point in emailing "AS ITS public domain" ;)
Perhaps even better if the proposing group put the names etc on there website so its on public domain there as well.

By "public domain" I mean that anyone at either school or in the community can ask for details; anyone can ask Govenors section and be provided with details etc etc. It's not my job to publish names - you need to go and get them but certainly won't be refused - I wasn't! I am not aware of a www. link to these lists and couldn't find them on the LEA site but am happy to ask Governors section again if that would help?

By "public domain" I mean that anyone at either school or in the community can ask for details; anyone can ask Govenors section and be provided with details etc etc. It's not my job to publish names - you need to go and get them but certainly won't be refused - I wasn't! I am not aware of a www. link to these lists and couldn't find them on the LEA site but am happy to ask Governors section again if that would help?

Harry this is interesting as you say its in public domain - but now its not:rolleyes:

Ive asked Lib dems for the list , they asked me to email ask the proposing group/governors etc -they rufuse to give this list ?? i.e names etc WHY?

ive also looked on the newschool2011 website - not on there as well again WHY?

so any link at all to this list would be great for all communities im sure HARRY you can help all on this one and help with the list you got ??

Was it a closed meeting, or open to all members of the public?

Blunkett invited all to contact him on his leaflet that he sent around all wisewood , hillsborough eastates and beyond

I would say that it was because the vast majority of the local community
are not bothered one way or another about the building of the new school.
I take it you could not bother to attend?

I dont trust the labour councilors or there MPs as far as i could throw one;)
after communities not being listen too in the sham consultations, and Labour blackmailing sheffield with Funding for schools etc

NO i did not go :)

Harry this is interesting as you say its in public domain - but now its not:rolleyes:

Ive asked Lib dems for the list , they asked me to email ask the proposing group/governors etc -they rufuse to give this list ?? i.e names etc WHY?

ive also looked on the newschool2011 website - not on there as well again WHY?

so any link at all to this list would be great for all communities im sure HARRY you can help all on this one and help with the list you got ??

Not quite sure what it is you are not understinding from my posts? I make it pretty clear that if you are wanting details of Govs of new school and existung 2 schools you can get them fromn LEA Govs section. I've explained they are not on LEA council site??? Bizarre request when I've made it quite clear :loopy:

Not quite sure what it is you are not understinding from my posts? I make it pretty clear that if you are wanting details of Govs of new school and existung 2 schools you can get them fromn LEA Govs section. I've explained they are not on LEA council site??? Bizarre request when I've made it quite clear :loopy:

More Bizarre you said its in public domain and you dont want to put it on here to help all on this thread:loopy:
If you have the full list i see no-reason why you cant put it on here ?

I dont trust the labour councilors or there MPs as far as i could throw one;)
after communities not being listen too in the sham consultations, and Labour blackmailing sheffield with Funding for schools etc

NO i did not go :)

In that case I assume you are resigned to the fact that the merger will take
place. Because if it was me who held such strong views as yourself, I would have taken the chance to have a face to face discussion with a representative from the party who hold the purse strings. If only to let my views be known.

As it was a public meeting, the poor attendance points to my original
view that the vast majority of local people are not bothered one way or the
other about the merger.

Hi Masons, - not sure I need to PM you this information. I emailed Governors Support Team this morning for a list and as it's in the public domain, was sent a list pretty quickly. Whilst I don't want to disclose names (I'm not sure I have that permission) I can tell you the structure from analysing the list. There are 19 Governors and 4 Associate Governors.




You emailed Governors support team (you say) for the info and ill repeat If its in public domain you can put there names out in the open to help all :loopy:
I really cant see a problem if you got this list of names then you would have thought you be helping those that perhaps may want to contact them about the school:rolleyes::rolleyes:

or ask info of them ?? im sure you could help all , so everyone does not have to email just to get the names of the said List!!! Just put the list on if you say you got it at all:rolleyes:

In that case I assume you are resigned to the fact that the merger will take
place. Because if it was me who held such strong views as yourself, I would have taken the chance to have a face to face discussion with a representative from the party who hold the purse strings. If only to let my views be known.

As it was a public meeting, the poor attendance points to my original
view that the vast majority of local people are not bothered one way or the
other about the merger.

As you know Lib dems taken seats off labour in hillsborough areas , Labour admit it was because of the merger issue , Blunket admits this as well !!

A member of SOCS was there as someone has stated .

You emailed Governors support team (you say) for the info and ill repeat If its in public domain you can put there names out in the open to help all :loopy:

And as I repeat I've given you the opprounity to access the info you are after. perhaps you just need to go and do it for yourself. Now please stop wasting my time - I will not reply on this particular one again givn that you seem unable to go and get it yourself :loopy::rant:

You emailed Governors support team (you say) for the info and ill repeat If its in public domain you can put there names out in the open to help all :loopy:
I really cant see a problem if you got this list of names then you would have thought you be helping those that perhaps may want to contact them about the school:rolleyes::rolleyes:

or ask info of them ?? im sure you could help all , so everyone does not have to email just to get the names of the said List!!! Just put the list on if you say you got it at all:rolleyes:

Try the link below. This may lead to what you are looking for

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/education/schoolgovernors

Try the link below. This may lead to what you are looking for

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/education/schoolgovernors

Thanks bazjea :thumbsup:
Still cant find the list of names tho but very helpfull

And as I repeat I've given you the opprounity to access the info you are after. perhaps you just need to go and do it for yourself. Now please stop wasting my time - I will not reply on this particular one again givn that you seem unable to go and get it yourself :loopy::rant:

As i repeat i thought you would like to help ALL!!!!! by putting the full list you have on here - a very very simple copy and paste it on here is not that hard for you is it??? If its in PUBLIC DOMAIN you can put it on here :rolleyes:

It would be helpfull to those whp want the school and those that dont
I really cant see a problem that you seem to be making here at all!!

I cant find the list - im sure if i could i would help all and put it on here so ALL COULD SEE IT . You say you have this list ,im now not sure you have it or even can get hold of it !! seems very odd that you dont want to be helpfull to all - but then again looking at sum of your posts ...:loopy:

AGAIN all if i ever get hold of the names of this list ill share it with all im kind like that :)
(YOU WOULD REALLY HAVE THOUGHT THE FULL LIST WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE NEWSCHOOL WEBSITE)

Thanks bazjea :thumbsup:
Still cant find the list of names tho but very helpfull

Found the following below by Pressing on, "Contact the Governor Support Team"

Email address and phone number.

General enquiries: ed-governorsupport@sheffield.gov.ukGo


General Enquiries and Training Course Bookings: (0114) 2506887

Found the following below by Pressing on, "Contact the Governor Support Team"

Email address and phone number.

General enquiries: ed-governorsupport@sheffield.gov.ukGo


General Enquiries and Training Course Bookings: (0114) 2506887

Bazjea :thumbsup:
Thanks again for this :)
Ill email them - and unlike HARRY!!!! Ill put the full list on here to help all parents
Once again thanks Bazjea!!!

Found the following below by Pressing on, "Contact the Governor Support Team"

Email address and phone number.

General enquiries: ed-governorsupport@sheffield.gov.ukGo


General Enquiries and Training Course Bookings: (0114) 2506887

Many thanks Bazjea - same info though that Barmy has been suggested to use previously by me! Can't understand why Barmy is so intent on naming names - I certianly won't do that without people's permission - all I have done is advise where the info is avaiable in the opublic domain by askinjg appropriately! Might just get him off my back on this one though and back to the debate that really matters. Thanks again for intervention with this particular bit of the thread. :):hihi:

Many thanks Bazjea - same info though that Barmy has been suggested to use previously by me! Can't understand why Barmy is so intent on naming names - I certianly won't do that without people's permission - all I have done is advise where the info is avaiable in the opublic domain by askinjg appropriately! Might just get him off my back on this one though and back to the debate that really matters. Thanks again for intervention with this particular bit of the thread. :):hihi:

Think barmy asked for the link HARRYARWEN - you did not provide a link and as you emailed them for the list it not hard to put the link on , barmy is trying to help all its odd you dont want to help all.

ive been sent some of the names and there email addys but i wont put there email addys on here.

If its in public domain as you have STATED then you can put the names on , just like you have yourself with Councillors etc

This thread is starting to become a "YAWN THREAD harry:hihi:"

im sure alot can see wots going on with the group member as stated ;)

We'd appreciate not to have to close another thread due to misrepresentations or personal spats. Thank you

We'd appreciate not to have to close another thread due to misrepresentations or personal spats. Thank you

A list of names was put on - PUBLIC DOMAIN , can i ask why these are removed?

As stated by harryarwin these are in public domain and harry has been asked a number of times for a link to these public domain names - as yet he cant provide one!!
If this is the case Then MODS should be asking he provides a link !! or removes his post to a list he says he has!!!!!

In the mean time the names i was sent will be on other public forums/ , websites
(Its harrys right to report posts that seems he has done)

A list of names was put on - PUBLIC DOMAIN , can i ask why these are removed?

As stated by harryarwin these are in public domain and harry has been asked a number of times for a link to these public domain names - as yet he cant provide one!!
If this is the case Then MODS should be asking he provides a link !! or removes his post to a list he says he has!!!!!

In the mean time the names i was sent will be on other public forums/ , websites
(Its harrys right to report posts that seems he has done)

The information we have recieved is that this publicised list is incorrect and this was duly reported and recognised.I would also like to point out that the persons mentioned were not responsible for highlighting the irregularites.

The information we have recieved is that this publicised list is incorrect and this was duly reported and recognised.I would also like to point out that the persons mentioned were not responsible for highlighting the irregularites.

Thanks Willman for clarifying and intervening on this one. As previously said - the list can be accessed by emailing Govs support team at Bannerdale. That's why I was so confident it was wrong. Many thanks for your clarification. Really now my end on this partic bit of the thread!

A list of names was put on - PUBLIC DOMAIN , can i ask why these are removed?

As stated by harryarwin these are in public domain and harry has been asked a number of times for a link to these public domain names - as yet he cant provide one!!
If this is the case Then MODS should be asking he provides a link !! or removes his post to a list he says he has!!!!!

In the mean time the names i was sent will be on other public forums/ , websites
(Its harrys right to report posts that seems he has done)

Are you going to tell us which forum that the names will be on?

Are you going to tell us which forum that the names will be on?

If you need These names as well Follow Harry advice;):hihi:
Not sure i can put links to other forums or websites on here

If you need These names as well Follow Harry advice;):hihi:
Not sure i can put links to other forums or websites on here

You have a link to another website on all your postings,
and that has not been removed.

Bradfield thread -http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=461018

just thought i would add this for all to see anouther problem this merger IF still goes ahead WILL cause

You have a link to another website on all your postings,
and that has not been removed.

So i have :) ,

Just thought i would ask hows the Traffic problems that the merger will cause coming along ?
Any solutions yet ?

Just thought i would ask hows the Traffic problems that the merger will cause coming along ?
Any solutions yet ?

:hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi: :o sorry was that a serious question?

:hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi: :o sorry was that a serious question?

lol yes it was - seems to me theres still no answer to the traffic problems yet

Seems to me like everything has gone quiet with regards to the new school!!!

Seems to me like everything has gone quiet with regards to the new school!!!

er dont think so. They are starting the build after xmas this year.

er dont think so. They are starting the build after xmas this year.

Oh right - is this for definite then?? Im sure there is a process called planning to get through yet - but if you know different!!

At some point this school with be finished and ready with brand new digital campus! Then our kids can have a good foundation for their education.

Instead of group of moaning people making poor excuses why they want to keep to tired falling apart buildings open

At some point this school with be finished and ready with brand new digital campus! Then our kids can have a good foundation for their education.

Instead of group of moaning people making poor excuses why they want to keep to tired falling apart buildings open

haha I think you will find the group of 'moaning people' wanted refurbishments to the wisewood and myers grove schools!!

I would just like to point out that there was a visit by some of the Y8 children from Wisewood Secondary to the CLC centre on Wood Lane (at the side of Myers Grove). My child was one of these children and has stated that some of the Myers Grove kids were less than happy to see Wisewood children up there!!

er dont think so. They are starting the build after xmas this year.

Can we have a link to the information about the building starting

At some point this school with be finished and ready with brand new digital campus! Then our kids can have a good foundation for their education.

Instead of group of moaning people making poor excuses why they want to keep to tired falling apart buildings open

Falling apart Buildings you say are they that bad ????

Wow wonder who is to blame for letting them get that bad ?
Perhaps Pupils should now not go to wisewood or myers as the buildings are that bad you say ;)

Going back to my question about traffic problems looks like no-one can answer still after all this time ??

Anouther point seems there is anouther campaign Starting To make bradfield school bigger - nothing to do with SOCS i may add- But why do they want to make bradfield school bigger -""" when theres a great merger school "" lol
Perhaps parents want there children in a better school that they know works and does well

I would just like to point out that there was a visit by some of the Y8 children from Wisewood Secondary to the CLC centre on Wood Lane (at the side of Myers Grove). My child was one of these children and has stated that some of the Myers Grove kids were less than happy to see Wisewood children up there!!


I am sorry if your daughter did feel that but I asume that she has picked up how much you hate Myers and how vitriolic you have been in the campaign against the merger so is hardly going to report back to you that she had a positive day is she?

I am sorry if your daughter did feel that but I asume that she has picked up how much you hate Myers and how vitriolic you have been in the campaign against the merger so is hardly going to report back to you that she had a positive day is she?

I never said it was my daughter!!

I hope that you are not saying that my child has made this up??

There were quite a few children that have said that the Myers children were quite unwelcoming (coming up to the windows of the CLC centre sticking the rods up and saying some horrible things - you can use your imagination) and I was present when my child reported this to their form tutor at wisewood secondary as has others!!

Just for your information, I have never said anywhere that I hate Myers, just that my children would never go there!!

I am sorry if your daughter did feel that but I asume that she has picked up how much you hate Myers and how vitriolic you have been in the campaign against the merger so is hardly going to report back to you that she had a positive day is she?


I'm afraid it's a well known fact that Myers pupils hate Wisewood & Bradfield pupils. I remember my neighbours children (twins) going to Myers for the day in the CLL and being chased all the way down Stannington Rd, absolutely petrified. They didn't dare venture off the premises for lunch as they were too scared. They and their friends were threatened through the windows. It has been that way ever since I remember. :(

I'm afraid it's a well known fact that Myers pupils hate Wisewood & Bradfield pupils. I remember my neighbours children (twins) going to Myers for the day in the CLL and being chased all the way down Stannington Rd, absolutely petrified. They didn't dare venture off the premises for lunch as they were too scared. They and their friends were threatened through the windows. It has been that way ever since I remember. :(

Still is that way but i dont think it is as bad , but these area post code gangs are more of a problem now with teens in all areas .

still no mention of how they are going to tackle the traffic problem it all seem about the new school building :rolleyes: design ,how great its going to look blah blah blah,

Think you can work on the design of the school till the cows come home.:hihi:

I have emailed the councillors in the areas to ask what is being done about traffic etc but as yet no reply:rolleyes:

Im thinking now that this new school if goes ahead is just going to be built and they will sort the traffic problems out after those that use the roads around the area complain alot
Lets hope the campaign thats going on about making Bradfield bigger gets some where :thumbsup:

See the thread below - just goes to show that the figures were wrong after all - Wisewood is still oversubscribed!!!!

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=4780253#post4780253

I have one in WW and youngest will be starting at Myers in Sept. I'm trying hard to work with both schools to get the best for the children now.

They both walk btw and have road sense

I have one in WW and youngest will be starting at Myers in Sept. I'm trying hard to work with both schools to get the best for the children now.

They both walk btw and have road sense

Can you explain what you are trying to say with your post fox please?

I used to live in the S6 area ( with my children ), and I would like to know, If I was someone in govenment, what would you like ask me about this merger, the reasons for & against ??????

Has the new school been build yet? are the old people still fighting too. taking little jonny do the gates???

Can you explain what you are trying to say with your post fox please?

Just that there is the option of walking to school, if the majority of children were encouraged to walk the traffic issue wouldn't be such an issue. My two do it already.

Just because your children walk to school doesnt mean that it will encourage more kids to walk if their parents want to take them in the car.

I work at a school that has been thru this process in the last 6 years

The parents and kids didn't want it, the whole community was against it

Now it is the fastest imporved school in its county with the best results in the local area

The building and facilities are fantastic - the kids can't remember who came from what school in the first place

Staff morale is now good and 90 something % of parents now support the school compared to circa 40% 6 years ago [according to Keele survey]

I'm afraid it's a well known fact that Myers pupils hate Wisewood & Bradfield pupils. I remember my neighbours children (twins) going to Myers for the day in the CLL and being chased all the way down Stannington Rd, absolutely petrified. They didn't dare venture off the premises for lunch as they were too scared. They and their friends were threatened through the windows. It has been that way ever since I remember. :(


I'm afraid this works both ways. Wisewood hates Myers just as much and they make no secret of it either. It's a long serving tradition between the schools to cause trouble for the other. This has been the case since before I left Wisewood which was in 96. Both schools are guilty of abuse, bullying, violence and so towards the other. I am sure that both schools are aware of this and will work to resolve a long standing situation. Good luck to them, they are going to need it :hihi:.

Has the new school been build yet? are the old people still fighting too. taking little jonny do the gates???


To the gates??? No, we want to see them to their seats in the classroom! :hihi:

Still is that way but i dont think it is as bad , but these area post code gangs are more of a problem now with teens in all areas .

still no mention of how they are going to tackle the traffic problem it all seem about the new school building :rolleyes: design ,how great its going to look blah blah blah,

I know the roads around the one way system are pretty dangerous for kids but how many accidents have there been there in the last year involving children getting run over? It isn't exactly an accident hot spot. If the already myers children can manage to stay in one piece getting to school, why can't the Wisewood kids?

I was all for keeping both schools open but it isn't going to happen is it. The new school will hopefully provide all the equipment and resources to help all kids in the area to achieve their best and that is what counts. It isn't the building that matters, it's the staff and the resources available.

I would just like to point out that there was a visit by some of the Y8 children from Wisewood Secondary to the CLC centre on Wood Lane (at the side of Myers Grove). My child was one of these children and has stated that some of the Myers Grove kids were less than happy to see Wisewood children up there!!

Just as the children at Wisewood are less than happy to see Myers kids near their school ;). It isn't one sided.

Just as the children at Wisewood are less than happy to see Myers kids near their school ;). It isn't one sided.

I never said it was one sided - but the Wisewood kids are the ones being made to go to Myers - the Myers kids dont have to come to Wisewood - The Wisewood kids are the ones copping all the flack!!!

I never said it was one sided - but the Wisewood kids are the ones being made to go to Myers - the Myers kids dont have to come to Wisewood - The Wisewood kids are the ones copping all the flack!!!


Which is why i said the school needs to find a way to solve the problem. Wisewood kids do however go upto Myers uninvited too, they are both as bad as each other which is why i also meant it when i said good luck, they are going to need it!

I'm afraid this works both ways. Wisewood hates Myers just as much and they make no secret of it either. It's a long serving tradition between the schools to cause trouble for the other. This has been the case since before I left Wisewood which was in 96. Both schools are guilty of abuse, bullying, violence and so towards the other. I am sure that both schools are aware of this and will work to resolve a long standing situation. Good luck to them, they are going to need it :hihi:.

Absolutely!! I went to Bradfield and the kids there hated Wisewood & Myers. I remember playing netball against Myers girls; who were looked upon as the 'hardest'; and feeling scared stiff in case we got into a fight! :hihi:

I know the roads around the one way system are pretty dangerous for kids but how many accidents have there been there in the last year involving children getting run over? It isn't exactly an accident hot spot. If the already myers children can manage to stay in one piece getting to school, why can't the Wisewood kids?

It isn't the building that matters, it's the staff and the resources available.

The whole point of the merger was for falling rolls - in the area Wisewood looks like being full again (must be a good school) bradfield is full but theres no problem getting in myers !!!

Myers pupils may manage to get to the school Tho there has been some near missers with cars BUT double the amount of children in the area the danger is there!! -

"You say it isnt"t the building that MATTERS its the staff" YES i agree that why wisewood is doing well - BUT heres the problem IF the merger goes ahead ALOT of teachers and staff Will lose jobs!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps if more of a option was given BRADFIELD school or Myers merger school to parents that may be better

One other thing - Wisewood COMMUNITY SPORTS COLLEGE to give the school its proper name , please NOTE its a COMMUNITY SCHOOL for wisewood community as well , as far as i know myers is not in the same community UNLESS they are going to merge them as well !!!!!!!!!:hihi::hihi:

Ive been sent the following - but i think we know this anyway;)

"our schools currently have about 1800 places. They are both fully subscribed for this year's intake. There is no sign of a dip in numbers. The new school will only have 1200 places. Where will the remaining 600 students go? 24 temporary classrooms?"

Ive been sent the following - but i think we know this anyway;)

"our schools currently have about 1800 places. They are both fully subscribed for this year's intake. There is no sign of a dip in numbers. The new school will only have 1200 places. Where will the remaining 600 students go? 24 temporary classrooms?"

You need to take this up with the City Council.

Ive been sent the following - but i think we know this anyway;)

"our schools currently have about 1800 places. They are both fully subscribed for this year's intake. There is no sign of a dip in numbers. The new school will only have 1200 places. Where will the remaining 600 students go? 24 temporary classrooms?"

sent by who? The council? Councillor, LEA?

Last year Myers Grove had 730 pupils and Wisewood 790 pupils, total 1520.

I doubt if an additional 280 pupils joined the schools since then!

Last year Myers Grove had 730 pupils and Wisewood 790 pupils, total 1520.

I doubt if an additional 280 pupils joined the schools since then!

With that amount of pupils in Wisewood and Myers last year it proves that the council got their figures wrong and that there is not a fall in pupil numbers and that the new school will be too small.

Something which has been said all along that no-one would believe - seems to be true though now doesnt it??

The general idea is that pupils out of catchment area wont get a place in the new school

The general idea is that pupils out of catchment area wont get a place in the new school

Looking at things at the moment, kids in the catchment area wont get a place!!

Public Consultations re -
Traffic Isues for new school on Wood Lane.

Road shows at- Myers Grove School
Weds 1st April 3pm to 8pm

Thursday 2nd April 3pm to 8pm at the Business and
Enterprise Centre, Wisewood School

Saturday 4th April 1pm to 5pm at
St Polycarps Church

Contact The Sheffield BSF Team on 0114 2734688 for further information

The new school will be called Forge Valley Comprehensive School.
oops I meant Community School

I was betting on Loxley Valley, so not far wrong..

I was betting on Loxley Valley, so not far wrong..

Ive said that today - it would have been better being called Loxley Valley as there is no such place as forge valley!!!

Ive said that today - it would have been better being called Loxley Valley as there is no such place as forge valley!!!

I'm a third person thinking the same!!! Did they have many forges in the Loxley Valley (I guess there was Wisewood Forge)?

I'm a third person thinking the same!!! Did they have many forges in the Loxley Valley (I guess there was Wisewood Forge)?

Ive no idea - havent even heard of Wisewood Forge!!!

Can they call something : Forge Valley community school when there is not a community called Forge Valley??

Just searched loxley and forge and there was a wisewood forge and of course the dentist at malin bridge is called forge farm but still there is no forge valley community!!

There is the Mousehole Forge at Malin Bridge/Rivelin and there was the Wisewood Forge before it was demolished to make way for the Loxley Park Development.

I thought there was a Forge Valley out near Baslow?

I thought there was a Forge Valley out near Baslow?

Maybe they are going to ship them in from there to attend the 'New School' lol

Maybe it's being called 'Forge Valley' as the Council have 'forged' ahead with the plan regardless of those opposed? :huh:

I think its because of Mousehole forge - popular shortcut for students at the moment avoiding the roads. Plus its not area based, so no postcode links.

I think its because of Mousehole forge - popular shortcut for students at the moment avoiding the roads. Plus its not area based, so no postcode links.

Loxley Valley would have been better though - thats a neutral name and it exists in the area!!

I'm a third person thinking the same!!! Did they have many forges in the Loxley Valley (I guess there was Wisewood Forge)?

There were at least 7 or 8 water driven wheels in the Loxley valley,between
Malin Bridge and the Dam Flask Reservoir, working as forges or rolling mills
There are still some remains to be seen, and some of the Mill Ponds still
exist.
Regarding the name of the new school. As there is already a Loxley
School. Maybe they chose Forge Valley rather than Loxley Valley, to
avoid confusion, with some duplication in the name

There were at least 7 or 8 water driven wheels in the Loxley valley,between
Malin Bridge and the Dam Flask Reservoir, working as forges or rolling mills
There are still some remains to be seen, and some of the Mill Ponds still
exist.
Regarding the name of the new school. As there is already a Loxley
School. Maybe they chose Forge Valley rather than Loxley Valley, to
avoid confusion, with some duplication in the name

No real issue here is there? The Star don't even print a press release detailing the name! I guess the use of the word "forge" not only represents the forges that were in the Rivelin valley and beyond but also the "forging" together of 2 schools? Roll on these new facilities in 2011

No real issue here is there? The Star don't even print a press release detailing the name! I guess the use of the word "forge" not only represents the forges that were in the Rivelin valley and beyond but also the "forging" together of 2 schools? Roll on these new facilities in 2011

better late than never. http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Merger-school-name-39a-major.5120127.jp

better late than never. http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Merger-school-name-39a-major.5120127.jp

I dont know any kids at Wisewood primary who have been looking at ideas for the bridge idea or looking into travel plans!!

Anybody have any ideas which kids they are referring too?

I dont know any kids at Wisewood primary who have been looking at ideas for the bridge idea or looking into travel plans!!

Anybody have any ideas which kids they are referring too?

Yawn - press release notes it all - numerous focus groups of kids and others. A bit late this response methinks........:) I know for a fact that my two were involved in such a group at Wisewood so that definately inclus this years Year 9's and Year 11's. These focus groups have been going on for ages - and why wouldn't they????

I dont know any kids at Wisewood primary who have been looking at ideas for the bridge idea or looking into travel plans!!

Anybody have any ideas which kids they are referring too?

In recapping - I note that Loopy is actually referring to PRIMARY age kids and I have replied on behalf of SECONDARY aged kids - Sorry Loopy _ I really dod miss your point here! Happy to defer this one back as can't speak from knowledge by not having any primary aged kids anymore. :|

I dont know any kids at Wisewood primary who have been looking at ideas for the bridge idea or looking into travel plans!!

Anybody have any ideas which kids they are referring too?

"Y4 and Y5 pupils have their say Assemblies for pupils currently in Y4 and Y5 have been held in Marlcliffe, Walkley and Wisewood Primary schools where information about the new school and its development have been given to the children.

They were invited to suggest a name for the new school and discuss the merits of a uniform or not. Pupils could also put forward a wish for the new school and were asked to suggest ways for it to be environmentally friendly. The assemblies have generated considerable interest and excitement. These will also be taking place in Malin Bridge, Shooters Grove and Rivelin Primary schools over the next few weeks.

For the partner primaries of Wisewood a travel survey and a map of a potential new bridge which could be built across the River Loxley, have been sent home for parents to consider."



source: http://www.newschool2011.co.uk

Is wisewood Full again ??? dont tell me the falling rolls are not really falling still:hihi::hihi:

Wonder if lib dems will have a look into these NOT so falling rolls :loopy:

and the traffic issue still goes on and on ;)

Been told that SOCS have had ALL court costs money back!! and now will use this to keep fighting the merger - dont know the ins and outs as yet tho!!

"Y4 and Y5 pupils have their say Assemblies for pupils currently in Y4 and Y5 have been held in Marlcliffe, Walkley and Wisewood Primary schools where information about the new school and its development have been given to the children.

They were invited to suggest a name for the new school and discuss the merits of a uniform or not. Pupils could also put forward a wish for the new school and were asked to suggest ways for it to be environmentally friendly. The assemblies have generated considerable interest and excitement. These will also be taking place in Malin Bridge, Shooters Grove and Rivelin Primary schools over the next few weeks.

For the partner primaries of Wisewood a travel survey and a map of a potential new bridge which could be built across the River Loxley, have been sent home for parents to consider."



source: http://www.newschool2011.co.uk

The bridge idea - wheres the money coming from for that- and will sheffield tax payers have to pay it back ??
any lib dems or labour councillors answer please

The bridge idea - wheres the money coming from for that- and will sheffield tax payers have to pay it back ??
any lib dems or labour councillors answer please

I don't think it works like that.

SCC will find the money if the decision is made for the footbridge to go ahead.

It will be directed from other budgets or schemes will be put back or postponed.

The bridge idea - wheres the money coming from for that- and will sheffield tax payers have to pay it back ??
any lib dems or labour councillors answer please

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Isn't this in response to concerns about kids crossing the roads? I would have thought parents would welcome it. As Granny said it will come out of the central budget no doubt and perhaps you may get a more swift answer if you emailed your councillors directly?

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Isn't this in response to concerns about kids crossing the roads? I would have thought parents would welcome it. As Granny said it will come out of the central budget no doubt and perhaps you may get a more swift answer if you emailed your councillors directly?

Are you saying no roads have to be crossed to get to the bridge ? and for your info alot of parents are against it and residents that live around the area also are against the bridge idea

As for putting the question on here - i know councillors do come on here and thought they might want to share the answer with us all!!

Been told that SOCS have had ALL court costs money back!! and now will use this to keep fighting the merger - dont know the ins and outs as yet tho!!

I can confirm that SOCS legal costs have been paid back by the council.

Just a thought - with the bridge idea , now i know theres plenty of wildlife around the area would the bridge affect the wildlife ? not sure all the greengroups/wildlife groups would like the idea!

Just a thought - with the bridge idea , now i know theres plenty of wildlife around the area would the bridge affect the wildlife ? not sure all the greengroups/wildlife groups would like the idea!

I would not have thought so, there are plenty of bridges crossing the river
already. Wild life seems to have increased since the closing of the factories
which caused pollution.
The building of any large scale housing would cause many more problems than
a pedestrian bridge.

Wisewood again has had a good offstead report i hear - good news for the school

I would not have thought so, there are plenty of bridges crossing the river
already. Wild life seems to have increased since the closing of the factories
which caused pollution.
The building of any large scale housing would cause many more problems than
a pedestrian bridge.

So alot of children crossing the bridge would not put wildlife off at all?

So alot of children crossing the bridge would not put wildlife off at all?

No, not much.

So is the bridge deffo going ahead ? or is it just still a idea as yet ?

Wisewood again has had a good offstead report i hear - good news for the school

The result was OUTSTANDING in all areas I believe.
Shakes head in disbelief at what is to be done to this school.

OK - so here's the actal process to save any wrong conjecture!

a. The OFSTED report was received by Senior Leadership Team and Chair of Governors on Thursday (7th May) at around 5pm

b. The HMI inspecting announced the process that woulds be followed at that time.

c. The OFSTED report will be sent to Wisewood Secondary school within 5 working days - ie by Friday 15th May for any comment from those involved in the inspection.

d. Following consderation of any comments made, the full report and GRADING given by OFSTED will be made public on the OFSTED site within a further 15 working days.

Watch this space - clearly some of us on this thread have more awareness than others BUT PLEASE - it is WRONG to speculate UNTIL the RECOMMENDATION is FINALISED!!!!

Please, please, please respect this!!!!! - whatever motivation for coment!!!!!!!!!!!

Many thanjks!

Harryarwen

OK - so here's the actal process to save any wrong conjecture!

a. The OFSTED report was received by Senior Leadership Team and Chair of Governors on Thursday (7th May) at around 5pm

b. The HMI inspecting announced the process that woulds be followed at that time.

c. The OFSTED report will be sent to Wisewood Secondary school within 5 working days - ie by Friday 15th May for any comment from those involved in the inspection.

d. Following consderation of any comments made, the full report and GRADING given by OFSTED will be made public on the OFSTED site within a further 15 working days.

Watch this space - clearly some of us on this thread have more awareness than others BUT PLEASE - it is WRONG to speculate UNTIL the RECOMMENDATION is FINALISED!!!!

Please, please, please respect this!!!!! - whatever motivation for coment!!!!!!!!!!!

Many thanjks!

Harryarwen


Oh Harry - you know what things like this are like - people will always know the result before it is actually made public!!!

The kids from Wisewood Secondary have a non-uniform day on Monday because the ofsted report is so good!!!

Oh Harry - you know what things like this are like - people will always know the result before it is actually made public!!!

The kids from Wisewood Secondary have a non-uniform day on Monday because the ofsted report is so good!!!

Hi Loopy. Couldn't agree more. However, the HMI/Ofsted Inspector made it clear that the result could not be made public - ie noted and informde in the press. The result can be made public within the community of the school, and hence the non-uniform day for all as a reward. It would be just great to be able to type here the actual result but not allowed to so has to be conjecture to the wider public until Ofsted publish and then we can go to The Star! :) :thumbsup:

The result was OUTSTANDING in all areas I believe.
Shakes head in disbelief at what is to be done to this school.

Agreed :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Here is SOCS latest press release -

Council Admits Lack of School Places in Continued Debate over Future of Myers Grove and Wisewood Schools


The SOCS Campaign Appeals for a Review of the Closures



Council Officers have admitted that Government insistance on removing all surplus places during the current school rebuilding programme will result in insufficient school capacity in Sheffield by 2016 (see enclosed Briefing Note). However it seems very likely that the proposed New School which is to replace Wisewood and Myers Grove Schools will have insufficient capacity from its opening date in 2011. Current numbers of 11-16 students in both schools exceeed 1500 yet the new school due to open in 2011 will only have capacity for 1200 11-16 students. From 2015 the situation will get progressively worse as students numbers are projected to rise. We fear that the New School will need to have portacabins which will become a permanent feature of the school as has happened many times in the past when demand exceeded capacity. It also undermines the original case for closing the two schools on grounds of insufficient student numbers.



On top of this there is the effects of the Credit Crunch pushing fee paying students out of private education into state schools. A significant number of students from the Myers Grove and Wisewood area currently travel to Bradfield and King Edwards Schools. Their places at these schools will increasingly be taken by ex-private school students. This will further expand the numbers trying to get into the new school.



The Save Our Community Schools campaign has written to Sonia Sharp, Director of Education in Sheffield and met with Councillor Andrew Sangar to appeal for a review of the decision to close the schools. The campaign believes that a good solution would be to retain the two schools and have them closely federated under the new Governors. The £30M rebuilding money would need to shared between the two sites. Many of the proposals for the new school, such as the 6th form, could still be implemented.



The issue of gridlock at Malin Bridge remains another major concern with the prospect of the entire Wisewood School-run travelling through the junction to get to the new school. Council officers are proposing traffic calming measures and new traffic lights at Malin Bridge to increase the safety of students on foot. This will have the effect of further restricting the junction. Malin Bridge is already at capacity and is a major commuter route for residents in Stannington, Hillsborough and the Loxley Valley. The SOCS campaign are hoping the Planning Board will overturn the Planning Application on these grounds when it is submitted. However, a review of the decision to close the schools is still needed.



SOCS Chair Toby Mallinson said;



"It is time for the Council to take its head out of the sand on this issue and admit that major mistakes were made in the planning of this project. It is time for them to meet constructively with the local communities and discuss practical solutions instead of imposing problems on us."

Been told something may be on the radio and in the star about merger and the above!
Not sure when tho:thumbsup:

SOCS chair - was on Radio Sheffield this morning stating about the merger .
Well done TOBY !!

Council Officers have admitted that Government insistance on removing all surplus places during the current school rebuilding programme will result in insufficient school capacity in Sheffield by 2016 (see enclosed Briefing Note).

Any chance you could put the council briefing note on here. I cant find it on the council website.

Any chance you could put the council briefing note on here. I cant find it on the council website.

I have it as a scanned copy - dont know how to get it on here!!

I'll be glad when they finaly finish this new school:thumbsup:

I'll be glad when they finaly finish this new school:thumbsup:

Well if you only have a onesided View and dont care that much about other parents and there kids you would be glad;)

The facts that now Myers may have to made bigger and Bradfield school also all seems odd to me if theres falling rolls ???

but the problem i find still is the facts that we all know about traffic/ school numbers have still not been sorted even now!

Harry Harpham (labour) Stated to us a long while ago IF lib dems won power and they only would because of the merger
then Lib Dems and Local Councillors Steve Ayris And Joe taylor Would never fight Tooth and Nail to stop the merger!!
Only thing he got right i think:thumbsup:

Wisewood OFSTED REPORT!!

Grade 1 - OUTSTANDING

Number on roll (school total) 788 pupils

So again wisewood does well but theres those out there that want to close the school:loopy:

as for falling rolls that was the point of the merger no real falling rolls is there!!
I blamed Sheffield Labour council when they was in power For closing Wisewood and Not listening to what locals of the community Wanted
Now that Goes to Sheffield LIB DEM COUNCIL !!!

Congratulations Wisewood for an exellent OFSTED.

Now, perhaps we could look at incorporating the practices and policies of the school into the new school. Constantly reminding those few people who continue to read this thread that SOCS feel let down by both Labour and the Lib Dems doesn't really achieve anything.

I'm sure we could move this discussion forward as to what good can be taken from both schools into the new one?

Congratulations Wisewood for an exellent OFSTED.

Now, perhaps we could look at incorporating the practices and policies of the school into the new school. Constantly reminding those few people who continue to read this thread that SOCS feel let down by both Labour and the Lib Dems doesn't really achieve anything.

I'm sure we could move this discussion forward as to what good can be taken from both schools into the new one?

Sorry - my point again theres no falling rolls !!!
Or we could move the Discussion forward to the Traffic problems again that theres still no answer to !

Or perhaps to some teachers of wisewood who have made the school what it is only to lose there jobs because of the merger!
i could go on and on but im sure you would like to brush over the cracks :roll: