Labour i recall promised to listen to the communitys and what they was saying as well .

End of the day . Wisewood is one of the top schools in sheffield it seems and Labour still want to shut it:loopy:


But Lib Dems are in control now arent they:loopy:

Labour i recall promised to listen to the communitys and what they was saying as well .

End of the day . Wisewood is one of the top schools in sheffield it seems and Labour still want to shut it:loopy:

I thought Lib Dems were in control now:loopy:

I thought Lib Dems were in control now:loopy:

Lib Dems couldnt make promises again after the last time as they werent sure if they could keep Wisewood open.

The Lib Dems are in control but it is central government that are pulling all the strings with the merger.

Loopylulu

I've been working away quite a lot this year, so I haven't been keeping up-to-date on all the events.

However, I do remember:
UMEEKSK a.k.a. Joe Taylor (who now describes himself as the 'Liberal Democrat Councillor for Hillsborough') posting:
“The motion was proposed by Lib Dem Steve Ayris, who was elected in May on the back of a campaign to save Wisewood School. It was supported by all 39 Lib Dem councillors, the two Greens and the Independent. If you read the motion as a whole, it's unambiguous - the merger process is to be stopped and both schools will be kept open.”

This reads like a fairly strong promise to me!

Whats has happened to the Judicial Review you promised?

Loopylulu

I've been working away quite a lot this year, so I haven't been keeping up-to-date on all the events.

However, I do remember:
UMEEKSK a.k.a. Joe Taylor (who now describes himself as the 'Liberal Democrat Councillor for Hillsborough') posting:
“The motion was proposed by Lib Dem Steve Ayris, who was elected in May on the back of a campaign to save Wisewood School. It was supported by all 39 Lib Dem councillors, the two Greens and the Independent. If you read the motion as a whole, it's unambiguous - the merger process is to be stopped and both schools will be kept open.”

This reads like a fairly strong promise to me!

Whats has happened to the Judicial Review you promised?

The lib dems never promised anything.

The Judicial Review proceedings are in the hands of the solicitor.

So:
".............it's unambiguous - the merger process is to be stopped and both schools will be kept open." isn't a commitment?

You're having a laugh!

Just as you must be about the JR proceedings. There is not a cat in hell's chance of any judge entertaining JR proceedings now given the length of time that this has been going on. If your solicitor says there is, he's just screwing you for more fees.

Loopylulu

I've been working away quite a lot this year, so I haven't been keeping up-to-date on all the events.

However, I do remember:
UMEEKSK a.k.a. Joe Taylor (who now describes himself as the 'Liberal Democrat Councillor for Hillsborough') posting:
“The motion was proposed by Lib Dem Steve Ayris, who was elected in May on the back of a campaign to save Wisewood School. It was supported by all 39 Lib Dem councillors, the two Greens and the Independent. If you read the motion as a whole, it's unambiguous - the merger process is to be stopped and both schools will be kept open.”

This reads like a fairly strong promise to me!

Whats has happened to the Judicial Review you promised?

well spotted Localman - of course it's a promise - and a failed one at that! Lib Dems won the seats locally, it is allged by others on this Forum, on the back of keeping Wisewood open Now they can't deleiver on that promise and if you see my post are fully commited to seeing the new school on the Wood Lane site.

The lib dems never promised anything.



Wow, so now a party making a resolution and its members approving it unanimously is not a promise? What a strange world we live in where agreed unanimous resolutions are not the stated policy or promise of a party. If not, what status do they have? :huh:

The merger is of public concern, so surely any thing that is going on should be in the public domain. I contacted the Tory local office back in july, about their stance or policy on the merger. Have not received a reply. So would assume they do not have any input or policy.

Just thought i would add this

Conservatives blasted over new private school plan
29/09/2008

As many as 5,000 free private schools could be created under a £6billion Tory transformation of Britain's classrooms.

The scheme would see headteachers given the freedom to set their own curriculum and opt out of GCSEs and A-levels.

Parents, charities and private firms would take over the running of the schools.

But the idea, set to be unveiled by David Cameron this week, was yesterday damned. Labour said it would strip cash from existing education budgets, create thousands of unfilled places and waste BILLIONS.

Schools minister Jim Knight warned: "It's a recipe for chaos and mean hundreds of new school buildings would be cancelled." Shadow education secretary Michael Gove said: "We want as much choice for parents as possible."

Like i say things happen behind closed doors;)

All i can say , Lib dems may be saying at the moment they are backing the merger in public . you never know whats going on behind closed doors

Just thought i would add this

Conservatives blasted over new private school plan
29/09/2008

As many as 5,000 free private schools could be created under a £6billion Tory transformation of Britain's classrooms.

The scheme would see headteachers given the freedom to set their own curriculum and opt out of GCSEs and A-levels.

Parents, charities and private firms would take over the running of the schools.

But the idea, set to be unveiled by David Cameron this week, was yesterday damned. Labour said it would strip cash from existing education budgets, create thousands of unfilled places and waste BILLIONS.

Schools minister Jim Knight warned: "It's a recipe for chaos and mean hundreds of new school buildings would be cancelled." Shadow education secretary Michael Gove said: "We want as much choice for parents as possible."

Like i say things happen behind closed doors;)

All i can say , Lib dems may be saying at the moment they are backing the merger in public . you never know whats going on behind closed doors

They were not talking about the Wisewood/Myersgrove merger though were they? I thought we had to keep on topic.

They were not talking about the Wisewood/Myersgrove merger though were they? I thought we had to keep on topic.

It is on topic, 'and mean hundreds of new school buildings would be cancelled'

Isnt the Wisewood/Myers new school going to be a new school building???

It is on topic, 'and mean hundreds of new school buildings would be cancelled'

Isnt the Wisewood/Myers new school going to be a new school building???

So would that be a good thing as far as you are concerned.

So would that be a good thing as far as you are concerned.

Yeah in my opinion it would be the best thing for the Wisewood/Myers merger.

Yeah in my opinion it would be the best thing for the Wisewood/Myers merger.

In view of the fact it will probably be 2010 before there will be an election.The new school will probably be nearly finished by then.
Plus you have to assume that the Tories get elected for the plan to come
into operation.

In view of the fact it will probably be 2010 before there will be an election.The new school will probably be nearly finished by then.
Plus you have to assume that the Tories get elected for the plan to come
into operation.

I think it was said that there is some sort of delay with the 'new school' (should it go ahead) - a years delay I think (I could be wrong though).

Ive had a email , not to say anything else on this forum about whats been said behind closed doors etc and rightly so . i think i may have said too much in open . Doh!!

The merger is of public concern, so surely any thing that is going on should be in the public domain. I contacted the Tory local office back in july, about their stance or policy on the merger. Have not received a reply. So would assume they do not have any input or policy.

The proposing group are a public group , and you would have thought with members of them on here they would keep all informed!

Perhaps about why members have left and are not seeing the new school thru etc

ive contacted the proposing group a number of times to no reply .

Interesting article on the Sheffield Star site :-

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/185m-complete-rebuild-of-every.4544609.jp

Hello Rosy,

If the Labour Party is committed to retaining the Wisewood site for community use, why is it zoned for housing in the draft of the new Sheffield Development Framework, written under Labour?

We are committed to finding community uses for the site as evidenced by Cllr Sangar's statement in Full Council saying that the gym would be retained for the community.

What uses specifically? It's not possible to say at this stage. But the last thing we want is for the site to be turned into a massive housing estate.

That's the position of this administration and to claim otherwise is just cynical politicking.

I've looked into this and received this reply from a Planning Officer in Forward and Area Planning

So far, we only have a Preferred Options version (summer 2007) of the Proposals Map, which shows the school site as designated as 'Housing Area' - this is how most school sites in the city have been designated in the UDP as well as in the emerging SDF. 'Housing Area' designation means that if a school site becomes redundant then the preferred afteruse is housing, with a long list of other uses which are also acceptable in residential areas eg doctor's surgery/small shop/place of worship/etc.

A Draft SDF Proposals Map (along with a Draft 'City Policies & Sites' document) will be taken to Cabinet and then published for public consultation in summer 2009. Everybody will have the opportunity to make representations on the designation of the Wisewood site at that time. We will then produce a Submission version by around late 2009.


The operative phrase here is "acceptable uses". The Wisewood site was not earmarked for a housing development under Labour. This was and still is a "preferred use", but it is certainly not "zoned" for a massive housing estate! The proposal at Full Council by Janet Bragg, which the Lib Dems deleted at the same meeting, would allow for an "acceptable use" i.e. the school being earmarked for the community. The point needs to be made to the local councillors asap.

The Proposing Group for the new school at Wood Lane would like to inform members of the public that answers to many of the frequently asked questions (FAQs) relating to the new school, raised on this forum and elsewhere, can be found on the new school’s website as given below in the signature.

Anyone who has any further enquiries relating to the new school can forward these to the Proposing Group via the email address on the website. The FAQ list will be periodically updated to reflect issues that have been raised on a regular basis.

The Proposing Group welcomes the involvement of anyone who would like to contribute to the planning of the new school and would like to thank all those who have shown an interest. If anyone would like to join either the full group or one of the working groups, please contact the Proposing Group at the aforementioned email address for further information.

Bring it on I say cant wait for the new school the very very important people who benefit from this deserve a new modern school who am I talking about the kids of course I think some people forget them in their protests

The Proposing Group for the new school at Wood Lane would like to inform members of the public that answers to many of the frequently asked questions (FAQs) relating to the new school, raised on this forum and elsewhere, can be found on the new school’s website as given below in the signature.

Anyone who has any further enquiries relating to the new school can forward these to the Proposing Group via the email address on the website. The FAQ list will be periodically updated to reflect issues that have been raised on a regular basis.

The Proposing Group welcomes the involvement of anyone who would like to contribute to the planning of the new school and would like to thank all those who have shown an interest. If anyone would like to join either the full group or one of the working groups, please contact the Proposing Group at the aforementioned email address for further information.


Hi proposing group
A number of questions have been asked using your email by the public and not answerd , so i would like to inform members This also!!!!

Bring it on I say cant wait for the new school the very very important people who benefit from this deserve a new modern school who am I talking about the kids of course I think some people forget them in their protests

We dont forget about the kids at all!!!!

Ill point out again WISEWOOD is now a CATEGORY 1 SCHOOL. -the highest achievable within the city - so the kids are getting the best education there

I also remember at a consultation meeting a question "Why not merg wisewood and bradfield schools?" well the answer was bradfield was a good school:loopy:

SOCS have been fighting for both schools to stay open, Refurb for wisewood and a brand new school for myers all along - SOME people forget this as well

The upshot now is The proposing group and its members want WISEWOOD to shut - not good for the teachers -staff-pupils who worked hard to get category 1 status to be told "sorry you done really well and you all made wisewood one of the best schools - tell you what we will do we are going to shut your school:loopy: andsome of the teachers will lose there jobs :loopy:

CRAZY DONT YOU THINK!!!

Bring it on I say cant wait for the new school the very very important people who benefit from this deserve a new modern school who am I talking about the kids of course I think some people forget them in their protests

I think you are forgetting that the protesters were protesting for a NEW SCHOOL at Myers Grove and a REFURB at Wisewood - Then neither sets of children would be missing out would they - as has been said before its not the building that makes the school its the staff and teachers!!!!

http://www.thestar.co.uk/letters/Why-must-my-school-close.4550128.jp#3298162


Above is a letter in sheffield star - from a child at wisewood

Its nice that more and more children are not happy with the merger and are wanting to save there school in my opinion

I really do think that we have now got to a point here about what is credible in this debate. Let's point out some facts:

a. Please read the letter in tonights Star newspaper from a pupil currently attending Wisewood. Then - please read this thread on the Forum and compare the language? Perhaps readers can then make their own minds up on this one! Please, lets not use our kids to make essentially political and adult decisions

b. <removed>

c. I remain totally opposed to the use of children, to allude in public to comments that they claim have been made by teaching staff or managers of teaching staff at either school - These are serious claims that could affect professional credibility and potentially livelihoods, so I really do hope that there is substantial evidence to back these claims up!

d. There has been a lot in these postings in the last few weeks about the mainstream political parties and their positions with regard to the merger - people both slating and supporting the Lib Dems, Labour, The Greens in the past, and more recently the Tories. However, given the presence in the last local elections, why no position statement from the BNP? After all, they do stand in the local council elections - what is their policy? Please could someone tell us? I suspect that someone could, but won't!!

e. I note that the newly merged school website can be accessed at www.newschool2011.co.uk.

f. What has never been mentioned by those arguing against is that MYERS GROVE IS CLOSING ALSO! The implication all along has been that Wisewood is shutting and merging with Myers. WRONG - BOTH Wisewood AND Myers are closing- it just happens that the newly merged school will be developed on the part of the Wood Lane site currently occupied in part by Myers Grove School - don't see many objections though on this thread from those in the Myers catchment even though their school is closing! - OK, might well be on their site, but according to the arguements that have been posted, shouldn't it be a real stick in their craw/throat to have to merge with a highly successful school? Not a bit of it!! Those of us who see the vision see the clear need for a school in this area of Sheffield, serving all the communities, that retains the huge success of Wisewood, whilst bringing new success from the Myers catchment into the fold AND MOST IMPORTANTLY delivering a spanking new 6th form for our kids, without having to go either to the other side of the city OR attending the local college which is not a 6th form attached to a school!

g. Finally, if what I understand is right, the new temporary Governing Body of the newly merged school has been established with the approval of the current administration - the Lib Dems! - Looks like all steam ahead then doesn't it? What now then the questions about the Proposing group? seems to me that responsibility has moved on without those posting understanding fully the due process - perhaps these sort of questions need to be addressed to the current local council administration and not those charged and empowered to deliver the solution for this area of the city - and please be aware - I still speak as a person who has kids at Wisewood and NOT on behalf of any other group - this just seems so much to make sense to me and those who really want to see the closure of Myers and Wisewood be effective on a new site with a new school, with a new start!

Happy days!

Bring it on I say cant wait for the new school the very very important people who benefit from this deserve a new modern school who am I talking about the kids of course I think some people forget them in their protests

I have to contest this point harriet.
I was/am one of the protesters and I do not think for a second that I forgot about the children ! Why do you think we objected? For our own gain? Obviously not, we parents fought for our children and what we believed / believe to be the best solution for them and the future for our community and the Myers community.
As I have come to expect , merger supporters appear to be insular and single minded dismissing any other opinion as selfish. Two schools could have been rebuilt/refurbished and successful.
Before the Lib Dems are completely slated (I have never been a LD supporter previously) , I strongly believe that they tried to do the right thing but were stopped at Central Government level as we all know by now and subsequently blackmailed, therefore they have no option but to support the merger forced upon them and the Wisewood community.
The Proposing group now seem to be taking the moral high ground but you can rest assured that the majority of the Wisewood community( without forgetting the children) still oppose this merger.
Please do not accuse "protestors" of forgetting about the children!

Article in Sheffield Star today - interesting BSF £25m shortfall for schools in Sheffield

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Schools-rebuild-25m-shortfall-.4553131.jp

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Thankyou for stepping in:)

Thankyou for stepping in:)

Absolutely - I've also reported on some threatening previous posts to me, so hopefully these will be addressed as well and we can get back to the debate on the real advantages for a new school on the Wood Lane site

I can see both sides on the merger issue

Myers is a failing school according to the star etc and needs to keep open and the best way forward for myers is a merger school with wisewood.(according to labour government ALL failing schools would close)

Wisewood - is now one of the top schools and is now a CATEGORY 1 school .one of the HIGHEST in sheffield . the best way forward is to keep doing well and stay open

its been said before That there could still be a 11-19 center on myers site if needed
and If the plan of houses went thru at the side of myers then it could attract more pupils That its been failing to do for a few years

Labour admit why they lost seats in the local elections in the local areas as now does David Blunkit (labour mp) because communities DID NOT want the merger

SOCS have always said theres no falling rolls, as Lib dems said this as well and stated this to Jim knight in london .Mr knight agreed with all the problems of traffic , no falling rolls etc etc and as reported in the star BLACKMAILED SHEFFIELD!

its also now come to light that IF the merger went thru and labour was still in power in council .Then the wisewood site could/would be used for houses

Anouther group now is fighting (if the merger goes Thru)to keep the wisewood site for community use - im sure SOCS would back this idea again if the merger went thru
The proposing group will not make a clear comment on this!!

But in the mean time SOCS are still fighting the merger and theres still the legal side
Jim knight -did state that a meeting would have to be made if SOCS and communitys are still fighting this merger ive been told

a quote i recall from MR HARPHAM in consultation meetings if the merger went thru as always things take time and there would be a few problems in the first few years of the new school!!
SO who would be missing out in the first few years - THE PUPILS!!!

LETS face facts LEA has changed status of wisewood to a category 1 school
So its working well for pupils at wisewood and its teachers BUT labour and proposing group want to throw this away!

Its sad to see Education having a price on its head and the price is to save money and close wisewood - just to have one school

Letter in star

IT is hardly surprising given the current economic climate that Government departments now seem to be reneging on promises made in much looser fiscal times (Schools rebuild £25m shortfall, Oct 3).
For Harry Harpham to try and gain political advantage by claiming that it is all the Liberal Democrats' fault that there will be a shortfall in funding for the city's Building Schools for the Future plans smacks of desperation.

However, if it is true that the Government has seen fit to withhold money from our council because the Lib Dems tried to save a school (following the wishes of the electorate in Wisewood) then I view the Education Secretary and his department as petty and vindictive people.

At the next election I will also question whether I should give my vote to Labour if they feel the need to act in this way.

Absolutely - I've also reported on some threatening previous posts to me, so hopefully these will be addressed as well and we can get back to the debate on the real advantages for a new school on the Wood Lane site

What about the dis-advantages of the new school?

Ive found this-

SHEFFIELD SCHOOLS ARE ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE
More and more Sheffield schools are opening their doors to the community and serving the wider needs of children, young people and their families, through the Extended Schools programme.

This week (Monday 29 September) 24 schools joined the ranks of officially accredited Extended Schools, at a special celebration event.

Extended schools offer access to services to help families with:
Parenting support
Study support – offering creative extra activities to children to enhance their learning
Childcare
Swift and easy referral to other agencies when a child or family needs particular help
Community use, opening up school facilities to meet community needs and offering access to adult learning

School provide these activities in different ways, depending on local needs and demand, and don’t necessarily need to deliver all the elements on site or to deliver it themselves.

“If we are to make sure children and young people are able to take advantage of all the brilliant learning opportunities out there, we must offer them and their families the support they need in other areas of their lives too,” says Cllr Andrew Sangar, Sheffield City Council’s Cabinet Member for Children’s Services & Lifelong Learning.

“Schools are places that families know and trust, and often pick up on issues before other professionals do, so they are the natural base for a lot of the support services that a family will need. I’m very proud that so many of our schools are taking their responsibilities in this area seriously, and doing their best to meet the wide range of needs of local families.”


No-one seems to want to tackle the issues with the Dis-advantages of this merger Is this because they have not got a answer to them ?
So try to build up how great this new sham school COULD be?

Letter in star At the next election I will also question whether I should give my vote to Labour if they feel the need to act in this way.

Agreement with you Masons - and am absolutely sure that I would not give my vote to Labour in any way, shape or form regardless of whatever - don't need to think about it at all! :)

What about the dis-advantages of the new school?“If we are to make sure children and young people are able to take advantage of all the brilliant learning opportunities out there, we must offer them and their families the support they need in other areas of their lives too,” says Cllr Andrew Sangar, Sheffield City Council’s Cabinet Member for Children’s Services & Lifelong Learning.


I don't see, as you know Masons, any disadvantages to the new school, BUT am very pleased to see that you quote the City Council's Cabinet member for Children's Services and Lifelong Learning which happens to be the very same Cabinet Member who very recently pledged his and his Councils whole hearted and UNRESERVED support for a new school at Wood Lane. Really good to see that the new school really will offer what is dexcribed in the quoted section above, and in particular, in delivering a 6th form to a school in this area of the City - the one thing we have missed out on and been sold short on for years!

I don't see, as you know Masons, any disadvantages to the new school, BUT am very pleased to see that you quote the City Council's Cabinet member for Children's Services and Lifelong Learning which happens to be the very same Cabinet Member who very recently pledged his and his Councils whole hearted and UNRESERVED support for a new school at Wood Lane. Really good to see that the new school really will offer what is dexcribed in the quoted section above, and in particular, in delivering a 6th form to a school in this area of the City - the one thing we have missed out on and been sold short on for years!

Ill quote this line
“Schools are places that families know and trust, and often pick up on issues before other professionals do"

Wisewood is a school that Families trust , Its hard to understand Why you dont see any Disadvantages for the new school When it seems Alot of others do

Traffic, School not big enuff for pupils in the catchment area, Teachers and staff to lose there jobs

The list goes on and on .........

As for the cabinet member Who has pledged his support i find this funny -how many times have cabinet members said one thing and done anouther .... let wait and see;):hihi:

Had a few emails about Proposing group i.e They are not getting back to People or not answering questions etc

All i can advise is get in touch with the council or local councillor as Proposing group are said to be a Public group

Hope this helps in some way

Had a few emails about Proposing group i.e They are not getting back to People or not answering questions etc

All i can advise is get in touch with the council or local councillor as Proposing group are said to be a Public group

Perhaps there is alternative advice though? My understanbding is that the Proposing Group is established for the pure purpose of establishing and seeing through the establishment of the newly merger school on the Wood Lane site!

Methinks then that those who are choosing to VOLUNTEER their precious time might well just, might just, have made the decision not to engage anymore with those who have little psoitive to say about the merger OR wate their time in answering the constant barage of spurious questions thrown at them.

If I was a volunteer in this position, I would be spending my time in working with those who share the common goal and cause, who are many ( despite attempts to deny this publicly and in the press) and not to waste my energy in such debates, taking my valuable time away from what the group are tasked with. I guess the ultimate remit of this group is to deliver the school, NOT constantly debate with those who oppose in this way?

Besides, has this not moved on now according to my intelligence? I understand that there are now bodies who do have that public accountability that you seem to be seeking (beyond the remit of the "proposing group"?) Perhaps your attentions are best directed at them? 1 is clearly the elected city council administration. The new schools website makes clear who the other body is!! Methinks its time to get up to date in this debate as it moves on apace!! :):hihi:

Perhaps there is alternative advice though? My understanbding is that the Proposing Group is established for the pure purpose of establishing and seeing through the establishment of the newly merger school on the Wood Lane site!

Methinks then that those who are choosing to VOLUNTEER their precious time might well just, might just, have made the decision not to engage anymore with those who have little psoitive to say about the merger OR wate their time in answering the constant barage of spurious questions thrown at them.

If I was a volunteer in this position, I would be spending my time in working with those who share the common goal and cause, who are many ( despite attempts to deny this publicly and in the press) and not to waste my energy in such debates, taking my valuable time away from what the group are tasked with. I guess the ultimate remit of this group is to deliver the school, NOT constantly debate with those who oppose in this way?

Besides, has this not moved on now according to my intelligence? I understand that there are now bodies who do have that public accountability that you seem to be seeking (beyond the remit of the "proposing group"?) Perhaps your attentions are best directed at them? 1 is clearly the elected city council administration. The new schools website makes clear who the other body is!! Methinks its time to get up to date in this debate as it moves on apace!! :):hihi:

Sorry i thought i was just helping and pointing folks in the right place!!!
The proposing group i recall said to email them , but theres no reply from them on any questions :loopy:

Im sure now members of the proposing that have been promoted to these bodies may answer some of these questions!

Just like to point out also that members of socs are also VOLUNTEERS and have no problem answering questions on there website in fact they also have a common goal to stop the merger ,

Things are moving fast for socs and im sure soon you may all read about it in the press;)

Theres been alot of meetings and its all been very good. also like to thank those parents from feeder schools who are doing great work :thumbsup:

SOCS, any news on the Legal Challenge?

Sorry i thought i was just helping and pointing folks in the right place!!!
The proposing group i recall said to email them , but theres no reply from them on any questions :loopy:

Im sure now members of the proposing that have been promoted to these bodies may answer some of these questions!

Just like to point out also that members of socs are also VOLUNTEERS and have no problem answering questions on there website in fact they also have a common goal to stop the merger ,

Things are moving fast for socs and im sure soon you may all read about it in the press;)



If SOCS is so much more open with the public than the proposing group, why not just tell us all on the forum what these "moving fast" things are? No need to wait to read it in the press if SOCS are open. :thumbsup:

I don't have any connection with the proposing group so I can't say how open or secretive they are, but SOCS do seem very secretive. We keep seeing things on the forum like SOCS members claiming that the Tories may have said things to them about what may or may not happen if they win the next election, but the SOCS members won't say what these Tories have actually said. Why not just state what has been said? Otherwise SOCS seem at least as secretive as they are claiming the proposing group to be.

SOCS, any news on the Legal Challenge?

The legal side of things socs members have been asked by solicitor not to put on forum (i do wish i could) for legal reasons

SOCS will be hopefully setting up a forum for all issues related to the merger - more information with regards to this will be posted at a later date.

When the next news letter (proposal group) comes out or school letter ill put a link on to whos who now i.e promotions , public body group etc etc...

as we dont see the proposing group doing this on SF!

Pupil Admissions halved.

I'm surprised to see that no one has chosen to post this snippet from the Sheffield Telegraph last weekend on this thread - it is clearly positive all round and does help to address some on-going concerns. The statement under the "news in brief" section reads:

"The number of pupils admitted to Myers Grove secondary is to be halved as the Stannington school prepares for its merger with Wisewood. From September 2009 admission numbers will be cut from 210 to 120 - a proposal that was ratified this week by the Office of the Schools Adjudicator. John Simpson concluded the reduced number was reasonable to meet the needs of the pupils at the school during the two years leading up to the closure. New buildings are currently being designed for the merged foundation school which will be built on the Myers site at Stannington and is due to open in 2011."

This has to be good news, doesn't it? :)

Tories' city school vow




SHEFFIELD will be the first area in line for a Tory "schools revolution" because of a "shocking" post code lottery in GCSE results, the party has pledged.
Research by the Conservatives has exposed huge inequalities in educational achievement between different areas of the same city or town.

In the poorest performing area of Sheffield, Firth Park, 14 per cent of pupils achieved five GCSEs at grade A to C, including English and Maths, last year.

Yet in the top performing area of the city, Ranmoor, 87 per cent of teenagers are reached the standard.

The two areas are only five miles apart.

Conservatives have announced that - should they win the next election - those struggling neighbourhoods would be the first to see new "Swedish style" schools opened to drive up standards

Under the plans, companies, charities or groups of parents would be allowed to establish a taxpayer-funded school and would be handed greater freedom over the curriculum.

A new 'pupil premium' would provide an incentive for voluntary groups and businesses to locate new schools in those areas currently with the lowest GCSE achievements.

The Tory research focuses on different groups of up to five council wards around the city to highlight the gulf in educational achievement.

It also exposed poor results in the Measborough Dike and Kendray area of Barnsley, where only 13.1 per cent of pupils achieved five 'good' GCSEs.

In comparison, 64.1 per cent of children in Hoylandswaine and Cawthorne reached the GCSE target.

Michael Gove, the Conservative schools spokesman, said: "The scale of inequality is truly shocking."

He added: "It is a scandal that there are pockets of the country where just a tiny minority of children achieve the basic level of qualifications aged 16.

"These figures show yet again that children born in deprived areas get nothing like the opportunities of those born elsewhere. It is vital that we reverse this block on aspiration.

"That is why our first priority in schools will be to tackle the gap in performance between rich and poor."

But Jim Knight, the schools minister, attacked the Tories' plan to fund their scheme by slashing £4.5bn from the programme to rebuild every secondary school in the country.

He said: "Michael Gove should get over his infatuation with the Swedish model, or finally come clean on the true cost of his Swedish schools experiment and explain how the Tories would pay for it."

Under the Conservative blueprint more than 3,000 new 'free' schools would be set up, with only around 200 pupils, rather than the 1,000 in the average secondary school.

just thought i would add this;)

Conservatives have announced that - should they win the next election - those struggling neighbourhoods would be the first to see new "Swedish style" schools opened to drive up standards

Barmy - would be very interested to know what is meant in this article by "Swedish style" schools. A web search gives a whole plethora of suggestions - some of which seem educationally sound but others which just seem outright inapplicable to this country, let alone Sheffield. Do you have a research reference you can link to? Cheers.

Pupil Admissions halved.

I'm surprised to see that no one has chosen to post this snippet from the Sheffield Telegraph last weekend on this thread - it is clearly positive all round and does help to address some on-going concerns. The statement under the "news in brief" section reads:

"The number of pupils admitted to Myers Grove secondary is to be halved as the Stannington school prepares for its merger with Wisewood. From September 2009 admission numbers will be cut from 210 to 120 - a proposal that was ratified this week by the Office of the Schools Adjudicator. John Simpson concluded the reduced number was reasonable to meet the needs of the pupils at the school during the two years leading up to the closure. New buildings are currently being designed for the merged foundation school which will be built on the Myers site at Stannington and is due to open in 2011."

This has to be good news, doesn't it? :)


But won't this make the school in the short term a tiny school - how will they manage to offer a full curriculum as surely with less pupils, some of the teaching staff will be made redundant. Where on earth are the 100 or so pupils that would have got a place there going to go??? This directly affects my sons future so I am wanting to know whats going on here?

Pupil Admissions halved... This has to be good news, doesn't it?
How on on earth can that be considered as 'good news'?? Where do the other half go for their education?? :confused:

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How on on earth can that be considered as 'good news'?? Where do the other half go for their education?? :confused:

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Apologies - not explained that very well have I. As I see it, this reduction in numbers means that there will sufficient places for all kids in the catchment area now. Wisewood community has concerns re numbers and the new school, yet Myers has a huge out of catchment population from well away from its traditional catchment area. What will result therefore is a school ideally suited to meert the needs and numbers from its ACTUAL catchment, not the other areas that get imposed on the school thereby affecting performance. I may well be wrong on this but I think that the reduction is a huge commitment to the paretns of all those feeder schools who will eventually feed in to the newly merged school as it enables places to be secured LOCALLY in both the Myers and Wisewood catchment areas. Sorry for the confusion in my posting previoulsy

Apologies - not explained that very well have I. As I see it, this reduction in numbers means that there will sufficient places for all kids in the catchment area now. Wisewood community has concerns re numbers and the new school, yet Myers has a huge out of catchment population from well away from its traditional catchment area. What will result therefore is a school ideally suited to meert the needs and numbers from its ACTUAL catchment, not the other areas that get imposed on the school thereby affecting performance. I may well be wrong on this but I think that the reduction is a huge commitment to the paretns of all those feeder schools who will eventually feed in to the newly merged school as it enables places to be secured LOCALLY in both the Myers and Wisewood catchment areas. Sorry for the confusion in my posting previoulsy


No still is not positive IMHO. How are they planning on doing this - by closing feeder schools, reducing the teaching staff, offering less subjects - or are the kids meant to travel between Wisewood and Myers in the meantime? There will still be the kids - they don't just disappear do they ... where do they go in the meantime (or are they talking about not accepting people from out of catchment). Please enlighten me :)

I think that Myers Grove was struggling to fill its places.

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Had a flyer today about BSF and a planning brief workshop.

Chaired by the area panel the workshop will discuss the draft planning brief for the site of the proposed new school on Wood Lane and this is a public event.

A draft of the brief will soon be available online, but the meeting is in Wisewood Methodist Church on 6th November at 6pm.

for further information contact the BSF team at edubsf@sheffield.gov.uk and the planning team are at planningdep@sheffield.gov.uk

No still is not positive IMHO. How are they planning on doing this - by closing feeder schools, reducing the teaching staff, offering less subjects - or are the kids meant to travel between Wisewood and Myers in the meantime? There will still be the kids - they don't just disappear do they ... where do they go in the meantime (or are they talking about not accepting people from out of catchment). Please enlighten me :)

Its just a way to make people believe that there are falling roles - cut the places at the school and then there will only be 120 per year!!!

I do wonder what will happen to all the kids that cant get a place their.

With the continued 'silence' on the "Legal Challenge" in the face of each administrative development towards a merger, surely it must make the chances of a rebuttal very small?

Back to teachers and staff Losing there jobs i see some are saying ?

Socs have stated this a number of times - if the merger goes ahead in 2011 in the build up childrens education will suffer its that simple

And as Labour harry harpham said i recall they will be a few problems in the first few years -again i take that as childrens education will suffer

Wisewood is a category 1 school - can it be said that the new school WILL get this status in its first year - NO!!!!!

so if your child gets a place in the school that will not be big enuff for its catchment area
more than likely your childs education will suffer

With the continued 'silence' on the "Legal Challenge" in the face of each administrative development towards a merger, surely it must make the chances of a rebuttal very small?

Cant really answer for reasons said before , (do wish i could tho)

Cant really answer for reasons said before , (do wish i could tho)

I'm not arguing, but as each level of the merger process takes effect, it must make the chances of reversal very unlikely?

I'm not arguing, but as each level of the merger process takes effect, it must make the chances of reversal very unlikely?

Yep i understand your not arguing , i really cant say what the chances are

but im told not to put about legal stuff on the forum im sorry to say but i think you can understand why m8

but im told not to put about legal stuff on the forum im sorry to say but i think you can understand why m8

Are we allowed to bet on this Forum?

I'm not a betting man, but here's £100 which says there is no further action on a Judicial Review...........or, if SOCS try to pursue just to get my £100...there is no chance of a JR being successful.

Any takers?

Are we allowed to bet on this Forum?

I'm not a betting man, but here's £100 which says there is no further action on a Judicial Review...........or, if SOCS try to pursue just to get my £100...there is no chance of a JR being successful.

Any takers?

Perhaps the Legal case is not about a Judicial Review anymore ;)

Had a flyer today about BSF and a planning brief workshop.

Chaired by the area panel the workshop will discuss the draft planning brief for the site of the proposed new school on Wood Lane and this is a public event.

A draft of the brief will soon be available online, but the meeting is in Wisewood Methodist Church on 6th November at 6pm.

for further information contact the BSF team at edubsf@sheffield.gov.uk and the planning team are at planningdep@sheffield.gov.uk

Im sure alot will be there maybe alot of communitiy groups as well;)

I think that Myers Grove was struggling to fill its places.

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Myers is said to be a failing school so perhaps could not attract numbers , We all know why wisewood and bradfield are full

It seems we are all being forced to go to This new merger school but if it fails for a few years who picks up the bits - our childrens education will suffer in my opinion

Thought i would add this link to a interesting thread- PFI

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=415293

There seems to be a few topics about the merger on the forum , im sure it would be better for all to keep on one thread!!

I had to miss the area Panel meeting tonight and as yet not had a update - if you can could anyone put one on this thread??
thanks

There seems to be a few topics about the merger on the forum , im sure it would be better for all to keep on one thread!!

I had to miss the area Panel meeting tonight and as yet not had a update - if you can could anyone put one on this thread??
thanks

Good meeting. A lot was thrashed out in a fairly short period of time. Still a lot of hurdles to overcome.
Watch this space.
Unfortunately there seemed to be an air of resignation amongst some of the SOCS group that were there, that things were gathering pace towards the combined school on the Myers site.
However traffic does seem to be a major sticking point and, from working in a school myself, I have a problem with a proposed footbridge going over the river from just below Loxley Park village to Myers Grove Lane.
Having lived in the area all my life, went to MG school and have relatives who went to WW, I know only too well the problems that can be caused by trying to bring together 2 seperate communities that have very little in common. Basically I think that having about 500 kids from the WW area all going to and coming from school on this one route gives Stannington kids the chance cause problems for these WW kids by either ambushing them (this is a secluded area on both sides of the river), vandalising the bridge in some way (look at the Pinegrove and Loxley College sites) or just basically being a nuisance.
It seems to me that there has been such a concern about relieving the extra traffic at Malin Bridge (rightly so) that little thought has gone into other issues regarding child safety on the journey to and from school.

Has the sizing of the new school taken into consideration the raised age limit for children leaving education. This years intake into secondary school will not be able to leave education until they are 17. In the north of Sheffield the options would seem to be either Hillsborough College or the new school as this is said to include post 16 education. Do they have the places available and can they offer the breadth of education required.

I think it is a crazy idea to have a footbridge. Will there be teachers there to ensure the safety of pupils who use this bridge? No of course there wont be!!

Yet another stupid idea!!!

I wonder who thought 'to ease the congestion in malin bridge - we should make a bridge through the isolated woods and let the kids walk through there':loopy::loopy:

I also wonder what the residents of Loxley Park think of this idea - or have they not been consulted? I wouldnt be happy at all if I had just bought one of those flats to find out that hundreds of children would be walking past my flat daily. Bear in mind that the residents of Loxley Park are elderly (its like a retirement village) - why should they have children walking past all the time?

Surely there will also be conservation issues with this idea as well?

Has the sizing of the new school taken into consideration the raised age limit for children leaving education. This years intake into secondary school will not be able to leave education until they are 17. In the north of Sheffield the options would seem to be either Hillsborough College or the new school as this is said to include post 16 education. Do they have the places available and can they offer the breadth of education required.

Good point.
It's one of the questions that I was meaning to ask but forgot.
As I understand it a lot of the post 16 education will be taken up by the existing colleges in the area. However I think that the option of having a post 16 centre on the WW site is still on the table, especially when one council officer was very adamant that the new school will cover just a little bit more than the existing footprint of the building and would be no more than 3 storeys high with some being 2 storeys.
Personally, I get the feeling that some students who presently go to WW (mainly from the Marlcliffe school area) will end up going to Bradfield to relieve pressure on the size of the new MG school as the site has obvious strict limitations on what can be allowed in such an environmentally sensitive area.

I get the feeling that some students who presently go to WW (mainly from the Marlcliffe school area) will end up going to Bradfield to relieve pressure on the size of the new MG school as the site has obvious strict limitations on what can be allowed in such an environmentally sensitive area.
Bradfield School is in the green belt as well, and isn't it also supposed to get rebuilt soon?

Bradfield School is in the green belt as well, and isn't it also supposed to get rebuilt soon?

I think so. I also think that you will see some small expansion for the new build, if not in footprint area then probably an extra floor being added to a single storey part of the school with probably clever landscaping to reduce the impact of both schools on there respective sites.
One of the main points I brought up regarding the MG site was to use the topography of the site to incorporate underground car parking which would mean much less hard standing surrounding the building, enabling the new build to take up a slightly larger footprint while at the same time increasing the amount of green space. This would also provide safe and secure parking for teaching staff and get rid of the 'supermarket effect' of local residents having to look at a sea of parked vehicles all day long.

I think it is a crazy idea to have a footbridge. Will there be teachers there to ensure the safety of pupils who use this bridge? No of course there wont be!!

Yet another stupid idea!!!

I wonder who thought 'to ease the congestion in malin bridge - we should make a bridge through the isolated woods and let the kids walk through there':loopy::loopy:

I also wonder what the residents of Loxley Park think of this idea - or have they not been consulted? I wouldnt be happy at all if I had just bought one of those flats to find out that hundreds of children would be walking past my flat daily. Bear in mind that the residents of Loxley Park are elderly (its like a retirement village) - why should they have children walking past all the time?

Surely there will also be conservation issues with this idea as well?

I think the bridge is due to be located a hundred yards or so nearer to Malin Bridge from Loxley Park but you're quite right in saying that some kids may use the footpath around Wisewood mill pond to access the bridge. This will obviously be a major issue to overcome.
You're also right to say that there will be conservation issues as there is a lot of woodland in this location.

As was mentioned by somebody there, Myers pupils have been crossing the Rivelin for years without incident, in addition to a very busy road. I don't think the bridge is the answer, but give children the credit to be sensible and have a survival instinct.

How many of us spent our summers by these rivers with no supervision and just other kids for company?

As was mentioned by somebody there, Myers pupils have been crossing the Rivelin for years without incident, in addition to a very busy road. I don't think the bridge is the answer, but give children the credit to be sensible and have a survival instinct.

How many of us spent our summers by these rivers with no supervision and just other kids for company?

Not sure we had a problem with Postcode gangs and knife crime Years ago in the area foxy!!

I do give credit to children alot was on the march to save wisewood school.

Its been said a number of times Malin bridge is a accident waiting to happen and there has been alot of near missers with pupils - just ask the local shops
As socs members have done:thumbsup:

Also as far as i know There will be a Communities meeting coming Very soon , this will involve The local communitie groups in the area and SOCS and members of hillsborough Forum and the rest of the communitie

And as the proposing group have always stated There meetings are for Members that want the school

I find it fair That this meeting will be for the communities That dont want the merger and are against GRIDLOCK in malin bridge Area (There is alot Against the gridlock i must add)

As yet a date and time i will let you know and it will be on SOCS website !!


Also Just had a look theres been 16,953 Views !! Wow
And this is the PART 3 THREAD !! MUST be a big topic

Also as far as i know There will be a Communities meeting coming Very soon , this will involve The local communitie groups in the area and SOCS and members of hillsborough Forum and the rest of the communitie

And as the proposing group have always stated There meetings are for Members that want the school

I find it fair That this meeting will be for the communities That dont want the merger and are against GRIDLOCK in malin bridge Area (There is alot Against the gridlock i must add)

As yet a date and time i will let you know and it will be on SOCS website !!


Also Just had a look theres been 16,953 Views !! Wow
And this is the PART 3 THREAD !! MUST be a big topic

Yup, its a huge topic, and trying to alienate those who are not sure by such unproven threats about their kids safety and numbers at the school etc etc just does not help at all. Perhaps the Sheffield Public would be better reassured by the words of the key professional that the current Lib Dem regime chose to appoint to replace Jonathan Crossley Holland - the previous Direcotr of Education that some will apportion balme to for promulgating the merger originally. The Lib Dems appointed Sonia Sharpe as Executive Director of Childrens Services and Sonia Sharpe is quoted as saying:

"The new school WILL open in new buildings in September 2011 and WE WILL be doing all we can to support the group of PARENTS and the recently formed GOVERNING BODY to make this a success".
Sonia goes on to say:

"It is important that EVERYONE comes together to make a successful school for local children and local people NOW THAT THE UNCERTAINTY IS OVER".
Please, let's stop the scare tactics and propoganda about post code gangs, assaults on bridges, and let's start working towards a solution emcompassing the new school on the Wood Lane site, with equity of access to all both educationally and geographically without any threats of assault etc. This is mere tactics to get us to fear sending our kids to a school that will be modern, successful, academically and pastorally excellent. NOTE - the Governing body has already been approved by the LIB DEM CITY COUNCIL.

I agree with other posters on this thread - let's get on with it, and for those still oppposed, please - use your collective energies now to influence the development of the best possible school with the best possible resources for our kids in this part of the City - Stop prejudicing investment to the new school with your opposition which, according to the Executive Dierctor, is pointless, as THE UNCERTAINTY IS OVER !!

Yup, its a huge topic, and trying to alienate those who are not sure by such unproven threats about their kids safety and numbers at the school etc etc just does not help at all. Perhaps the Sheffield Public would be better reassured by the words of the key professional that the current Lib Dem regime chose to appoint to replace Jonathan Crossley Holland - the previous Direcotr of Education that some will apportion balme to for promulgating the merger originally. The Lib Dems appointed Sonia Sharpe as Executive Director of Childrens Services and Sonia Sharpe is quoted as saying:

"The new school WILL open in new buildings in September 2011 and WE WILL be doing all we can to support the group of PARENTS and the recently formed GOVERNING BODY to make this a success".
Sonia goes on to say:

"It is important that EVERYONE comes together to make a successful school for local children and local people NOW THAT THE UNCERTAINTY IS OVER".
Please, let's stop the scare tactics and propoganda about post code gangs, assaults on bridges, and let's start working towards a solution emcompassing the new school on the Wood Lane site, with equity of access to all both educationally and geographically without any threats of assault etc. This is mere tactics to get us to fear sending our kids to a school that will be modern, successful, academically and pastorally excellent. NOTE - the Governing body has already been approved by the LIB DEM CITY COUNCIL.

I agree with other posters on this thread - let's get on with it, and for those still oppposed, please - use your collective energies now to influence the development of the best possible school with the best possible resources for our kids in this part of the City - Stop prejudicing investment to the new school with your opposition which, according to the Executive Dierctor, is pointless, as THE UNCERTAINTY IS OVER !!


People against the merger and traffic issues are not just going to say 'ok we will now back the new school because others say we should'!!

There are still quite a lot of people who are against the merger and will give it all they have got to try to stop it - you may not agree with this but dont try to make people accept something which they are dead set against!!!

People against the merger and traffic issues are not just going to say 'ok we will now back the new school because others say we should'!!

There are still quite a lot of people who are against the merger and will give it all they have got to try to stop it - you may not agree with this but dont try to make people accept something which they are dead set against!!!

I would go much further than that loopylulu and say that even after the new school is built then there should be a continuing campaign to reintroduce secondary education into the WW/Hillsborough area which would help to reintroduce a strong sense of community that will undoubtedly disappear when a secondary school and all that it provides for a community is closed.

I have just read the planning brief for the 'new school' and I had to laugh.

It mentions about providing things for the community - different groups and learning I imagine - these are targeted at adults and elderly.

Can you really see elderly people from WPV or Marcliffe and Wisewood areas travelling all the way to Wood Lane to access these - I dont think so either!!!

As was mentioned by somebody there, Myers pupils have been crossing the Rivelin for years without incident, in addition to a very busy road. I don't think the bridge is the answer, but give children the credit to be sensible and have a survival instinct.

How many of us spent our summers by these rivers with no supervision and just other kids for company?

When I was at Myers (and there's no reason why it should be any different now) all my mates from Walkley/Walkley Bank went to and from school via Mousehole Forge which exits on Stannington Road at the Anvil thereby avoiding Malin Bridge altogether.
The point I'm making is that by trying to solve one problem, what you don't do is come up with a solution that substantially increases the chance of another problem being created.

ITS BEEN SAID BEFORE

when you have around 7 to 9 busses picking pupils up from myers and from wisewood and going all the way to bradfield school this it self seems very silly - but then what is being FORCED on us is That pupils from wisewood, i.e loxley, wadsley, Wpv , middlewood and other areas will have to go to the new school and converge in the malin bridge area

One solution was lets let pupils go to the new school on bikes !! lets say that around 200 pupils do this are you saying all of them will have road sence !! dont think so

The bridge idea - Costing tax payers money and not solving the Traffic problem is it

Remember AIR POLLUTION is above average NOW !! add around 250 cars and we do have a gridlock and air pollution problem !

Communities are still fighting this merger and will keep fighting !!

I would go much further than that loopylulu and say that even after the new school is built then there should be a continuing campaign to reintroduce secondary education into the WW/Hillsborough area which would help to reintroduce a strong sense of community that will undoubtedly disappear when a secondary school and all that it provides for a community is closed.

Heres anouther problem - i had a letter home the other day from my child stating that wisewood is starting ADULT learning etc at wisewood school COMMUNITY SCHOOL !!

im sure also a campaign will be starting if the new school is built, as you say to reintroduce education into WW.

I have just read the planning brief for the 'new school' and I had to laugh.

It mentions about providing things for the community - different groups and learning I imagine - these are targeted at adults and elderly.

Can you really see elderly people from WPV or Marcliffe and Wisewood areas travelling all the way to Wood Lane to access these - I dont think so either!!!

Why not. I have attended adult education classes at Wisewood, Myersgrove, and Bradfield in the past. There have been people from large areas of Sheffield there.Attending subjects such as Photography,Wine making, Motor Mechanics,Spanish, Gardening etc.

Yup, its a huge topic, and trying to alienate those who are not sure by such unproven threats about their kids safety and numbers at the school etc etc just does not help at all. Perhaps the Sheffield Public would be better reassured by the words of the key professional that the current Lib Dem regime chose to appoint to replace Jonathan Crossley Holland - the previous Direcotr of Education that some will apportion balme to for promulgating the merger originally. The Lib Dems appointed Sonia Sharpe as Executive Director of Childrens Services and Sonia Sharpe is quoted as saying:

"The new school will open in new buildings in September 2011 and we will be doing all we can to support the group of parents and the recently formed governing body to make this a success".
Sonia goes on to say:

"It is important that everyone comes together to make a successful school for local children and local people now that the uncertainty is over".
Please, let's stop the scare tactics and propoganda about post code gangs, assaults on bridges, and let's start working towards a solution emcompassing the new school on the Wood Lane site, with equity of access to all both educationally and geographically without any threats of assault etc. This is mere tactics to get us to fear sending our kids to a school that will be modern, successful, academically and pastorally excellent. NOTE - the Governing body has already been approved by the Lib Dem council.

I agree with other posters on this thread - let's get on with it, and for those still oppposed, please - use your collective energies now to influence the development of the best possible school with the best possible resources for our kids in this part of the City - Stop prejudicing investment to the new school with your opposition which, according to the Executive Dierctor, is pointless, as the uncertainty is over!!

I've just made a few adjustments to your post so that it reads more accurately the statement given by Sonia Sharpe.
As for the rest of your post this really is the biggest load of arrogant nonsense that I've read on here for a long time!
Whoever you are (and I would imagine your a Labour councillor or probably ex Labour councillor) you obviously haven't learnt the lessons of why you're out of power!
It's not for you, or any other politician to tell people what they should think and if people wish to continue to campaign against and rubbish the new school then they have every right to do so and for as long as they wish whether that be 1 year, 10 years, 50 years, 100 years. In fact for eternity.
As for supposed scaremongering over a proposed bridge in an isolated area of the Loxley Valley then I'm sure residents in WW and surrounding area can make their own decisions on that based on common sense (something that you seem to be sadly lacking) and an understanding of the social issues and underlying culture of the kids in their particular area.
Of course there is a problem now for the council (irrespective of which party is in power) that the safety issues of such a bridge in this location built specifically for kids to access the new school could leave the council open to prosecution if something serious were to happen to a child, then their possible defence of 'this couldn't have been forseen' would hold no credence in a court of law when this scenario was raised, discussed and forcast years before the school was built on this very forum and, I'm pretty certain, at future meetings.
So as far as I'm concened the fight WILL continue INDEFINATELY until secondary education is re-established in the WW/Hillsborough area!

I've just made a few adjustments to your post so that it reads more accurately the statement given by Sonia Sharpe.
As for the rest of your post this really is the biggest load of arrogant nonsense that I've read on here for a long time!
Whoever you are (and I would imagine your a Labour councillor or probably ex Labour councillor) you obviously haven't learnt the lessons of why you're out of power!
It's not for you, or any other politician to tell people what they should think and if people wish to continue to campaign against and rubbish the new school then they have every right to do so and for as long as they wish whether that be 1 year, 10 years, 50 years, 100 years. In fact for eternity.
As for supposed scaremongering over a proposed bridge in an isolated area of the Loxley Valley then I'm sure residents in WW and surrounding area can make their own decisions on that based on common sense (something that you seem to be sadly lacking) and an understanding of the social issues and underlying culture of the kids in their particular area.
Of course there is a problem now for the council (irrespective of which party is in power) that the safety issues of such a bridge in this location built specifically for kids to access the new school could leave the council open to prosecution if something serious were to happen to a child, then their possible defence of 'this couldn't have been forseen' would hold no credence in a court of law when this scenario was raised, discussed and forcast years before the school was built on this very forum and, I'm pretty certain, at future meetings.
So as far as I'm concened the fight WILL continue INDEFINATELY until secondary education is re-established in the WW/Hillsborough area!

Yawn Yawn - how many more times on here - please go back and read the thread properly. even your colleagues in opposition have ID'd me! I'm a fully paid up member of the Lib Dems actually and ex Hillsborough Constituency chair! I am also very good at quoting accurately and precisely (but probably not good at spelling!) Council officials! Sorry it doesn't tick your boxes, but as you can see from Lib Dem employed Senior members of the Cabinet - Even my party in power agrees that this is now the only solution and way forward. Enough from me now in terms of defending the merger - the forum has clelary become not a forum for open debate but one where only opposition can have credence - I prefer to put my voluntary efforts ito the 1 solution that is logical and practicable for all our kids here in S6! Ps. Previous posting reported to moderators.

Lib Dem employed Senior members of the Cabinet - Even my party in power agrees that this is now the only solution and way forward.



Im sure Lib dems came up with two other options to stop the merger and it was reported that "Sheffield would be blackmailed by labour" i.e it went on to say that if the merger did not go ahead the rest of schools FUNDING in sheffield MIGHT BE stopped (or something like that)

so its a case of Lib dems being FORCED in to this merger .im sure someone or myself can find the link .

Its been a case all along that wisewood is being forced into this

As for the planning in the malin bridge area there are big big problems on this and no-one has a answer to it even after ALL this time !!!:loopy:

sorry to say the fight goes on from my point of view and alot of others .and what i hear the communitys are all coming together and local groups to help stop the merger/traffic gridlock:thumbsup:

[QUOTE=Harryarwen;4281295]Perhaps the Sheffield Public would be better reassured by the words of the key professional that the current Lib Dem regime chose to appoint to replace Jonathan Crossley Holland - the previous Direcotr of Education that some will apportion balme to for promulgating the merger originally. The Lib Dems appointed Sonia Sharpe as Executive Director of Childrens Services and Sonia Sharpe is quoted as saying:

"The new school WILL open in new buildings in September 2011".[/B]

Hiya Harryarwen, I didnt know your ID had been outed. Must read the thread as I dont know who you are...

Interesting quote you made. However, I like the bit highlighted that says WILL be open Sept 2011. Politics, feelings, views all aside. I would place a bet with anyone that this project will overun its delivery date and will come in over budget (by quite a bit aswell).

Im sure Lib dems came up with two other options to stop the merger and it was reported that "Sheffield would be blackmailed by labour" i.e it went on to say that if the merger did not go ahead the rest of schools FUNDING in sheffield MIGHT BE stopped (or something like that)

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This argument is now being used up & down the country, in an attempt by the government to force local councils & authorities into towing the line.
It is pathetic & is leading everywhere to the demise of community schools.
From somebody who is also fighting for the continuation of such a school (not in Sheff), keep up your struggle to keep your community schools open.
'Oh, we will listen to all views (but won't take any into account)' consultation- sounds familiar to me.

This argument is now being used up & down the country, in an attempt by the government to force local councils & authorities into towing the line.
It is pathetic & is leading everywhere to the demise of community schools.
From somebody who is also fighting for the continuation of such a school (not in Sheff), keep up your struggle to keep your community schools open.
'Oh, we will listen to all views (but won't take any into account)' consultation- sounds familiar to me.

Thanks MATTYM -

i think Labour think communitys are stupid and that we will just sit back and take things!

The consultation was a big sham and the whole school merger is a big sham

keep up your struggle as well and if i can put you in contact with anyone or you need help with your fight just PM

:thumbsup:

Thanks MATTYM -

i think Labour think communitys are stupid and that we will just sit back and take things!

The consultation was a big sham and the whole school merger is a big sham

keep up your struggle as well and if i can put you in contact with anyone or you need help with your fight just PM

:thumbsup:

Many thanks mason :thumbsup: Just waiting at the moment to see what can be done !!!

Many thanks mason :thumbsup: Just waiting at the moment to see what can be done !!!

sounds to me like labours plan with schools is all about saving money in the long run and not about Education . seem to be shutting schools left right and all over the place just to merge them . :rolleyes:

No disrespect Masons, and as a parent of a child who will go through the transition as he will enter Myers in September (and I have one in WW) I was impressed with the plans and have high hopes for the school.

This is no longer party political. The planning brief was hosted by area panel, I entered into debate with both labour and lib dem cllrs who were not in any way objecting to the merger.

They were looking for planning solutions. Ergo, the libs/labour debate has run its course. They are all in agreement.

thats it fight. brand new school! few million quid on brand enw digital teaching campuse.

Or send your kids to a choice of two dumps, good plan People!!..

go on use the little jonny traffic as the excuse,, sweet

thats it fight. brand new school! few million quid on brand enw digital teaching campuse.

Or send your kids to a choice of two dumps, good plan People!!..

go on use the little jonny traffic as the excuse,, sweet

Wisewood Catgory 1 school -now one of the best in sheffield according to LEA .

theres no excuse with the traffic just ask everybody council,council officers,mps, proposing group ,parents - socs perhaps you are the only one that does not see the traffic problem :rolleyes:

Wisewood Catgory 1 school -now one of the best in sheffield according to LEA .

theres no excuse with the traffic just ask everybody council,council officers,mps, proposing group ,parents - socs perhaps you are the only one that does not see the traffic problem :rolleyes:

as was mentioned at the planning brief, more cars went through when the college was in operation. Nobody objected then.

No disrespect Masons, and as a parent of a child who will go through the transition as he will enter Myers in September (and I have one in WW) I was impressed with the plans and have high hopes for the school.

This is no longer party political. The planning brief was hosted by area panel, I entered into debate with both labour and lib dem cllrs who were not in any way objecting to the merger.

They were looking for planning solutions. Ergo, the libs/labour debate has run its course. They are all in agreement.

Sorry you mean Lib dems did not have to options to save wisewood and myers and it was not labours-jim knight that stopped this idea by as stated "blackmailing sheffield schools" !!!!!

Perhaps you should get in contact with other schools groups across england and see the same SHAMS of consultations etc with shutting schools

The Lib dems was FORCED into agreement by the way They stated that themselves!!!!

as was mentioned at the planning brief, more cars went through when the college was in operation. Nobody objected then.

And why did the college move? what was the problems ? was ONE of them traffic,
SOCS did ask this question to them and it was one of the reasons

also why dont you ask why the housing Planning was turned down at the old loxley college site or why if it went thru would there be no-merger?

Im sure theres more a need for good housing in sheffield is there not??

Irrespective, they are supporting the new build, contributing to the design and progress. Plus You didn't answer the Loxley College traffic issue.

I'm not doing party politics at all, I'm thinking whats better, a good progressive school or months or certain uncertainty which will end up with a new but delayed state of the art school.

edit: sorry, you did reply, Nothing to do with Hills College and Longley 6th form at all?

Irrespective, they are supporting the new build, contributing to the design and progress. Plus You didn't answer the Loxley College traffic issue.

I'm not doing party politics at all, I'm thinking whats better, a good progressive school or months or certain uncertainty which will end up with a new but delayed state of the art school.

edit: sorry, you did reply, Nothing to do with Hills College and Longley 6th form at all?

Sorry i stated it was one of the reasons if you look at the post again .

Wisewood is a good progressive school now ! and so could myers be

Wisewood Catgory 1 school -now one of the best in sheffield according to LEA .

theres no excuse with the traffic just ask everybody council,council officers,mps, proposing group ,parents - socs perhaps you are the only one that does not see the traffic problem :rolleyes:

"Wisewood Catgory 1 school -now one of the best in sheffield according to LEA .".

erm it was a dump, in the 90s, its had nothng spent on it,, it needs knocking down,,


traffic isn't an issue,, I was a little jonny that walked to Loxley college campuse!!! took me 20mins from here, highy doubt it would take any teenager longer now , walking or on a stylish BMX.

then , school busses or first mainline will sort the rest.

but here comes the car excuse:rant::rant::rant::rant::loopy::loopy:

"Wisewood Catgory 1 school -now one of the best in sheffield according to LEA .".

erm it was a dump, in the 90s, its had nothng spent on it,, it needs knocking down,,


traffic isn't an issue,, I was a little jonny that walked to Loxley college campuse!!! took me 20mins from here, highy doubt fukk it would takeny teenager longer now , walking or on a stylish BMX.

then , school busses or first mainline will sort the rest.

but here comes the car excuse:rant::rant::rant::rant::loopy::loopy:

Well why dont you stand for council or MP you seem to know everything despite what others seem to know!!
Perhaps you can have ago at the proposing group idea of a public footbridge that will cost loads of tax payers money !!!

I think the bridge is due to be located a hundred yards or so nearer to Malin Bridge from Loxley Park

No the bridge is planned to be built on land owned by Signature the company that owns Loxley Park. I was of the opinion that Signature would be against this as no doubt their residents would be far from happy having hundreds of children marching past their windows twice a day.

I was at a meeting recently where Signature were presenting their plans to add a Dementure Home to the Loxley Park site and seemed quite amenable to having the bridge; funny that.

as was mentioned at the planning brief, more cars went through when the college was in operation. Nobody objected then.

Not quite accurate there foxy.
There is very little 'school run' traffic to and from a college. Students tend to make their own way there and because classes tend to start and finish at different times (some starts are as late as 10am) so the traffic tends to be different than the normal 'school run' traffic. On top of that students tend to come from a wider area so will access the college via different routes.

And why did the college move? what was the problems ? was ONE of them traffic,
SOCS did ask this question to them and it was one of the reasons


I can assure you that traffic congestion at Malin Bridge was NOT one of the reasons for closing Loxley down. The main reason was to locate the college in a better geographically strategic position for post 16 education in the north of the city, provide modern up to date facilities and to raise at least a part of the funding through selling off it's very expensive land at Loxley for housing and buying the cheapest industrial plot they could find, hence Livesey Street with it's limited access.

No the bridge is planned to be built on land owned by Signature the company that owns Loxley Park. I was of the opinion that Signature would be against this as no doubt their residents would be far from happy having hundreds of children marching past their windows twice a day.

I was at a meeting recently where Signature were presenting their plans to add a Dementure Home to the Loxley Park site and seemed quite amenable to having the bridge; funny that.

OMG, let me get this straight. Signature were against the idea of a bridge being built on their land but now they are planning extra buildings (IN THE GREEN BELT ISNT IT) they are ameniable to a bridge on their land.

Nothing like "I'll rub my back.....". Ive looked on the council website and cannot see any planning applications for this new dementure home so I guess this hasnt been put in yet but wouldnt it be looked on more favourable if they agreed to build a bridge that the council are wanting. Bound to get planning permission now.

Never mind the poor old folkes in the lovely retirement village, wonder if they want kids through their little tranquil setting twice a day. Never mind the ones with dementia when that gets built, strnagers traipsing past twice a day making them more confused.

OMG, let me get this straight. Signature were against the idea of a bridge being built on their land but now they are planning extra buildings (IN THE GREEN BELT ISNT IT) they are ameniable to a bridge on their land.

Nothing like "I'll rub my back.....". Ive looked on the council website and cannot see any planning applications for this new dementure home so I guess this hasnt been put in yet but wouldnt it be looked on more favourable if they agreed to build a bridge that the council are wanting. Bound to get planning permission now.

Never mind the poor old folkes in the lovely retirement village, wonder if they want kids through their little tranquil setting twice a day. Never mind the ones with dementia when that gets built, strnagers traipsing past twice a day making them more confused.

Hmmm......sounds like a recipe for a harmonious future!:loopy:

OMG, let me get this straight. Signature were against the idea of a bridge being built on their land but now they are planning extra buildings (IN THE GREEN BELT ISNT IT) they are ameniable to a bridge on their land.

Nothing like "I'll rub my back.....". Ive looked on the council website and cannot see any planning applications for this new dementure home so I guess this hasnt been put in yet but wouldnt it be looked on more favourable if they agreed to build a bridge that the council are wanting. Bound to get planning permission now.

Never mind the poor old folkes in the lovely retirement village, wonder if they want kids through their little tranquil setting twice a day. Never mind the ones with dementia when that gets built, strnagers traipsing past twice a day making them more confused.

Ive a feeling as this gets nearer to planning a hell of alot people will be against the planning dont you ;)
And the ones who are to blame WILL get alot of stick for it .remember theres more than one to blame here

Sorry you mean Lib dems did not have to options to save wisewood and myers and it was not labours-jim knight that stopped this idea by as stated "blackmailing sheffield schools" !!!!!

Perhaps you should get in contact with other schools groups across england and see the same SHAMS of consultations etc with shutting schools

The Lib dems was FORCED into agreement by the way They stated that themselves!!!!


Masonsarmsfc is totally correct on this. Educational consultation= pure eye wash!!!
As long as a council/authority is 'seen' to be carrying out consultation, then that is sadly enough, even though the decision has been made long before consultation has been carried out.
Is consultation really going to play a vital role if millions of pounds sees it's way into the coffers of a local authority & several 'key players' have a chance to boost their CV ? I don't believe it is.
Note- "Consultation" in quotation marks in the following article
http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/boltonnews/3786810._Time_to_stop_this_academy_madness_/
Again, the following article suggests a lack of fair access to a balanced debate
http://www.antiacademies.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1318&Itemid=1

There must be many more instances throughout the country, in between Bolton & Sheff & further afield. A merger is different from conversion to academy, but the end result is the death of a community school. I couldn't care less if people wish to complain about the fact that the new school has blue chairs when they want green. The fact is that if they have a dislike then it should be aired.somebody needs to make a stand against this political hoodwinking and in a fair, democratic way.

Masonsarmsfc is totally correct on this. Educational consultation= pure eye wash!!!
As long as a council/authority is 'seen' to be carrying out consultation, then that is sadly enough, even though the decision has been made long before consultation has been carried out.
Is consultation really going to play a vital role if millions of pounds sees it's way into the coffers of a local authority & several 'key players' have a chance to boost their CV ? I don't believe it is.
Note- "Consultation" in quotation marks in the following article
http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/boltonnews/3786810._Time_to_stop_this_academy_madness_/
Again, the following article suggests a lack of fair access to a balanced debate
http://www.antiacademies.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1318&Itemid=1

There must be many more instances throughout the country, in between Bolton & Sheff & further afield. A merger is different from conversion to academy, but the end result is the death of a community school. I couldn't care less if people wish to complain about the fact that the new school has blue chairs when they want green. The fact is that if they have a dislike then it should be aired.somebody needs to make a stand against this political hoodwinking and in a fair, democratic way.

Thanks for the above :thumbsup:

great points made

What do people think about the new plans for the school on the Stannington site?

Threads merged

"Wisewood Catgory 1 school -now one of the best in sheffield according to LEA .".

erm it was a dump, in the 90s, its had nothng spent on it,, it needs knocking down,,


traffic isn't an issue,, I was a little jonny that walked to Loxley college campuse!!! took me 20mins from here, highy doubt it would take any teenager longer now , walking or on a stylish BMX.

then , school busses or first mainline will sort the rest.

but here comes the car excuse:rant::rant::rant::rant::loopy::loopy:

Fantastic point and well made Spooerferman - just a shame that on this thread as momentum is clearly developing in suopport of the newly merged school at Wood Lane that those one or tow who are there in constant opposition seek to allegedly ask you to take on some sort of pokluitical role or whatever - they clearly have no confidence on their arguemetn as replies always are of a, albeit alledgedly, semi insluting naure. Its become like - you can't say what you feel on this thread without being insluted, told you are in a minority etc etc. That's why such a momentum is beginning to grow on this thread - of course, it doesn't need to grow out there as it's already there with loads and loads of parents already in support who just refuse to let those who would bully us and our kids out of new school with new facilities and new curriculum. Stick at it, Spooerferman and others are are posting in support - we will achieve out goal!

Fantastic point and well made Spooerferman - just a shame that on this thread as momentum is clearly developing in suopport of the newly merged school at Wood Lane that those one or tow who are there in constant opposition seek to allegedly ask you to take on some sort of pokluitical role or whatever - they clearly have no confidence on their arguemetn as replies always are of a, albeit alledgedly, semi insluting naure. Its become like - you can't say what you feel on this thread without being insluted, told you are in a minority etc etc. That's why such a momentum is beginning to grow on this thread - of course, it doesn't need to grow out there as it's already there with loads and loads of parents already in support who just refuse to let those who would bully us and our kids out of new school with new facilities and new curriculum. Stick at it, Spooerferman and others are are posting in support - we will achieve out goal!

Loads and Loads have you got anything to back that up at all

I mean bear in mind the 3 polls in the sheffield star about the merger and Labour party Stating The reason why Labours lost seats in the wards affected was because of the merger also David Blunkitt himself - stating the same i recall!!

And i thought i would add theres to be a communitie Meeting very soon - the local communitie groups are putting this together by the way!!!

Just a few facts for you to ponder -SECONDARY TRAVEL-

Did you know in 2007, 60 yoing people between 11-19 were Killed or SERIOUSLY injured in sheffield alone !! thats around two whole classes at schools!!!

It goes on to say pollution is LINKED to breathing difficulties in children!!

(NOTE given air pollution is above average in malin bridge)

Then theres the 4 or 5 attemps to get a child into a car around the area - school letters have gone out about this .
as far as i know this person or persons have not yet been caught!!

Add to this The traffic impact report not very good on the big increase in traffic if the school goes ahead

So going on the above i think Parents might seem to be right about traffic etc for this new school and seem to think there IS a danger there!

Also its come to light that ANY road crossings etc would have to be found from the council - thats tax payers money to you and me - Worth paying you might say and i agree !!
But what happens if the schools that have been waiting for crossings for a long time in sheffield now have to wait even longer cause of the New school needs these .

Its been stated theres only so much council funding for crossings etc in sheffield per year!!

That's why such a momentum is beginning to grow on this thread - of course, it doesn't need to grow out there as it's already there with loads and loads of parents already in support who just refuse to let those who would bully us and our kids out of new school with new facilities and new curriculum. Stick at it, Spooerferman and others are are posting in support - we will achieve out goal!


I dont know of anybody who is trying to bully anybody out of a new school.

It was stated all along that Myers could have a new shiny school whether it merged with Wisewood or not - SOCS always stated that they wanted a new school for Myers and a refurbishment for Wisewood right from the very beginning!!

Can you back up your claims that there are 'loads and loads of parents already in support' or is this just your opinion?

What do people think about the new plans for the school on the Stannington site?


Think thats been answerd

Can we see a copy of the most recent proposal/ plans online (the ones that were discussed last week - I couldn't make the meeting)?

I just read in the star that they are now on the hunt for a new headteacher for the new build.

I just read in the star that they are now on the hunt for a new headteacher for the new build.

Excellent article and very positive news indeed. Here is the link:

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Search-on-to-fill-top.4699560.jp

Can we see a copy of the most recent proposal/ plans online (the ones that were discussed last week - I couldn't make the meeting)?

It can be downloaded here http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/planning-and-city-development/urban-design--conservation/urban-design/schools

scroll to the bottom of the page.

I think that we all have an idea who the head of the 'new school' will be!!!

Dont know if any of you are aware of the mobile buildings which will be in use during the build of the 'new school'!! That is in fact if it goes ahead.

It has been stated that the 'new school' will have to be built on the footprint of the existing school - therefore children will have to be taught in mobile buildings until the school is complete!!

Nice to see that there is some acknowledgement of the traffic issues from the proposing group!!! Wonder if they can do anything about it though?? No - I doubt it - for things to change at Malin Bridge it would need quite a large amount of money and its not available!!!

Crossings would need to be put in place, parking will be a major issue and there has been mention of double yellow lines in certain places!!!

Just a few facts for you to ponder -SECONDARY TRAVEL-

Did you know in 2007, 60 yoing people between 11-19 were Killed or SERIOUSLY injured in sheffield alone !! thats around two whole classes at schools!!!

Can you please provide a link (or a reference) to this claim.

Thanks masonsarmsfc

red

Can you please provide a link (or a reference) to this claim.

Thanks masonsarmsfc

red

I have also read what Masons has quoted.

It was from a 'secondary school travel' leaflet from Wisewood Secondary School.

If you contact them they might have a copy you can have - im presuming though that it has been sent to all secondary schools in the city.

I think that we all have an idea who the head of the 'new school' will be!!!

Do we? Please enlighten me! This article clearly states that the recruitment will be a national recruitment. Unless you really do know something I don't then how can you know? Are you suggesting that the process will not be fair and equitable for all? My understanding in these matters is that the LEA has to have representation from various parts to ensure this is a fair and equitable process with certianly adminisitrative and HR representation. Would really like to hear you opions as to why it might not be a fair process therefore? :huh:

Excellent article and very positive news indeed. Here is the link:

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Search-on-to-fill-top.4699560.jp

Just read thru the article - was Alison Piper , Steve Bell, Diane Mckinley all the main ones on the Proposing group ? i think it states in the article that Alison Piper is now chair of governors- was she the chair of the proposing group as well ?

You state its positive news Well -
"The new head will have two years to appoint staff" i find this Quote in the article not very positive - it comes across as Socs always stated Teachers and staff will lose there Jobs

Would a teacher or staff want to wait and see if they may have a job in a few years time??? or would they want to move to make sure they have a job
At anouther school? im sure they have a morgage etc and need to be secure just like we all do in our jobs etc so its not sounding that positive to me.

and will it be a case of more and more surpply teachers and staff building upto the school IF goes ahead

Would really like to hear you opions as to why it might not be a fair process therefore? :huh:

In my opinion the sham merger has not been fair all the way thru it .

Can you please provide a link (or a reference) to this claim.

Thanks masonsarmsfc

red

Nice to see you back on the thread redrobbo- not sure but i think there is a link on the council website or school website ill have a look. my child did get it from the school as well

Im i now right in saying that the new school can only be built upon the site where myers school now stands , i.e i thought we was all told that the new school would be just in front of the myers school , something to do with greenbelt??
If so Then pupils will go into Mobiles for a while- i thought the proposing group and others was against this????

Also Im told the proposing group seem to have a problem with the Old loxley college Building !!!! Along the lines of the new school would look abit silly with the old college building at the side of it and its abit of a risk to saftey etc

As far as i know with this Loxley college this building will NOT be knocked down because something to do with if they did then the land could not be built on again- being green belt land or something like that ???;)

Also as we all know the Bsf is for schools - But how much will the planning of the roads eg traffic, crossings, yellow lines to stop parking in the area be ?
how much are the sheffield council paying for this and Will all BSF schools get the same money for crossings etc? I did ask the council and there does seem abit of a problem here - Will the government help towards this?
LEGAL NEWS!!
as you know i cant say to much - but there was a massive delay from labour council in getting documents + Papers that Socs Legal team have asked for a NUMBER OF TIMES!!

then When Lib dems came to power (council same legal team ) There was again a big delay in getting the same paper work - for some very very odd reason
So the socs legal team is having to look thru ALL paper work - and as a result the legal FIGHT Is still on going!! cant say much more on that. but thought i would keep you in the loop with what i can say

Do we? Please enlighten me! This article clearly states that the recruitment will be a national recruitment. Unless you really do know something I don't then how can you know? Are you suggesting that the process will not be fair and equitable for all? My understanding in these matters is that the LEA has to have representation from various parts to ensure this is a fair and equitable process with certianly adminisitrative and HR representation. Would really like to hear you opions as to why it might not be a fair process therefore? :huh:

In my opinion the recruiting process for a new head will just be an exercise, like the consultation!!!

Headteachers from across the country can be interviewed but in my opinion they will be told that they are not suitable for the job - and I have my suspicions who will get the job.

If im wrong then fair enough - but until there is another head in place I will continue to think the way I do!!

And Harry, you know we cant name people on here so dont ask!! It doesnt take a lot of working out anyway.

In my opinion the recruiting process for a new head will just be an exercise, like the consultation!!!

Headteachers from across the country can be interviewed but in my opinion they will be told that they are not suitable for the job - and I have my suspicions who will get the job.

If im wrong then fair enough - but until there is another head in place I will continue to think the way I do!!

And Harry, you know we cant name people on here so dont ask!! It doesnt take a lot of working out anyway.

Are you going to be on the interview panel Loopy? Is that why you know who will get the job? No, I don't wnat you to name names but you seem to know so much it would be good to hear from you that the process you seem to be involved with in this recruitment is equitable and fair, as I said on my last posting.

Are you going to be on the interview panel Loopy? Is that why you know who will get the job? No, I don't wnat you to name names but you seem to know so much it would be good to hear from you that the process you seem to be involved with in this recruitment is equitable and fair, as I said on my last posting.

What are you mumbling on about Harry?

Of course im not on the interview panel - just stating my opinion.

None of the processes involved with the 'new school' have been fair so why should the recruiting process??

And also, I havent said who will get the job, only who I think will get the job.

What are you mumbling on about Harry?

Of course im not on the interview panel - just stating my opinion.

None of the processes involved with the 'new school' have been fair so why should the recruiting process??

And also, I havent said who will get the job, only who I think will get the job.

Mumbling, Moi? Only point I was making was that you seemed to be so informed Loopy that I assumed you must either have inside knowledge or actually be on the decision making panel. I assume therefore that what you are actually saying is conjecture on your part? :confused:

Mumbling, Moi? Only point I was making was that you seemed to be so informed Loopy that I assumed you must either have inside knowledge or actually be on the decision making panel. I assume therefore that what you are actually saying is conjecture on your part? :confused:

Loopys post as ive read it expressed a opinion !!

But back on my Points that i made on my posts no-one seems to be able to answer them !!

I think that we all have an idea who the head of the 'new school' will be!!!

According to above post
"we all have an idea who head of the new school will be"

Well I certainly don't, and I am sure many more who have followed this
saga don't either.

According to above post
"we all have an idea who head of the new school will be"

Well I certainly don't, and I am sure many more who have followed this
saga don't either.

Just wonderd if you get the sheffield star , as at some stage it stated that D.MCKINLEY was Favourite to get the new heads job in the stars opinion i took it .( by all means search for the link. think it was a few months ago tho )
And many parents do have the same opinion that ive talked to and also been to meetings with on communitie issues in the area

Still waiting for anyone to answer my other posts i.e Questions at all ?

Loopys post as ive read it expressed a opinion !!

But back on my Points that i made on my posts no-one seems to be able to answer them !!

It may well, but it seems to have such inside knowledge that one has to ask? - unless of course, it is really conjecture, as I said? I honestly don't know what posters can expect? As far as I can see, an open process is described in the press that will happen nationally, and already the conspiracy theorists seem to suggest that the outcome is pre-determined? They clearly have no security or confidence in the LEA and its officers to appoint the best candidate for the job - and that's before it's even advertised - althougn pleae correct me if I'm worng - has it been advertised? I suspect not though to date?

Will the LEA get the choice - is it not the governing body in this instance?

Just wonderd if you get the sheffield star , as at some stage it stated that D.MCKINLEY was Favourite to get the new heads job in the stars opinion i took it .( by all means search for the link. think it was a few months ago tho )
And many parents do have the same opinion that ive talked to and also been to meetings with on communitie issues in the area

Still waiting for anyone to answer my other posts i.e Questions at all ?

Just hope you are not suggesting that the LEA, who presumably will advise any Governing body on the proces sand be a part of the recruitment, are biased in any way either? Can see huge isses with any suggestions that an outcome is pre-determined? Perhaps best to lay off for now this strap line on the thread and leave to due process which I am sure from what I know will be absolutely beyond reproach - and needs to be!!

It may well, but it seems to have such inside knowledge that one has to ask? - unless of course, it is really conjecture, as I said? I honestly don't know what posters can expect? As far as I can see, an open process is described in the press that will happen nationally, and already the conspiracy theorists seem to suggest that the outcome is pre-determined? They clearly have no security or confidence in the LEA and its officers to appoint the best candidate for the job - and that's before it's even advertised - althougn pleae correct me if I'm worng - has it been advertised? I suspect not though to date?

Have to wait and see on this one !!

Perhaps you could maybe answer some of my questions as it does come across;);) That you have alot more knowledge on this merger from reading your posts

Just wonderd if you get the sheffield star , as at some stage it stated that D.MCKINLEY was Favourite to get the new heads job in the stars opinion i took it .( by all means search for the link. think it was a few months ago tho )
And many parents do have the same opinion that ive talked to and also been to meetings with on communitie issues in the area

Still waiting for anyone to answer my other posts i.e Questions at all ?

Yes I do read the Sheffield Star, but that dosen't mean that we all know as quoted on my posting above.
Also I thought we could not mention names, or is that alright if it is quoted as the Stars opinion?

Will the LEA get the choice - is it not the governing body in this instance?

As far as I am aware from my understanding of process, at a Heads appointment, at least 1 rep from the LEA has to be on any panel. The body making the appointment then recommends the preferred candidate to the LEA who has to ratify any appontment and job offer. The outcome is therefore clelary in the hands of the LEA and politicians and NOT a Governing body, whatever might be inferred to the contrary on this thread. Thanks for the opprotun ity to clarify what I think is the process though, from my experience. :thumbsup:

As far as I am aware from my understanding of process, at a Heads appointment, at least 1 rep from the LEA has to be on any panel. The body making the appointment then recommends the preferred candidate to the LEA who has to ratify any appontment and job offer. The outcome is therefore clelary in the hands of the LEA and politicians and NOT a Governing body, whatever might be inferred to the contrary on this thread. Thanks for the opprotun ity to clarify what I think is the process though, from my experience. :thumbsup:

From my understanding this is not going to be an LEA school though is it - its going to be community run by members of the governing body isn't it (I could be wrong here as I don't know all the ins and outs) - would that mean that the LEA do not get the final say?

Have to wait and see on this one !!

Perhaps you could maybe answer some of my questions as it does come across;);) That you have alot more knowledge on this merger from reading your posts

I do have a real vested interest in this merger as a parent of kids in the catchment area. I also am fully aware that despite the challenges and requests for proof etc etc that the on line petition (ok, not looked at it for a week or so, so might be wrong!) stil only has 90 ish signatures. Not a huge mandate to me for opposition! OK, the arguement will remain about the councils' position and I would agree with you Barmy, and Masons and Loopy that 1 reason that Lib Dems took power in this area was around this local issue - BUT as a card carrying member of Lib Dems there are very clear alternative reasons why we are now in power in this city - Labour is dead in this area - but the merger isn't. It will go ahead and I am determined through whatever influence I have as a member of a political party that the most suitable candidate that applies for this post is appointed - of course - as a party member, I might not even be involvspeed but if I am ------ that's where I stand!

According to above post
"we all have an idea who head of the new school will be"

Well I certainly don't, and I am sure many more who have followed this
saga don't either.

If you quote what I said properly it would say 'I think we all have an idea who head of the new school will be'

Its a thought - no fact in it whatsoever - but there are quite a few that think the way I do!!

Also I thought we could not mention names, or is that alright if it is quoted as the Stars opinion?

Its ok if it has already been stated elsewhere!!

If you quote what I said properly it would say 'I think we all have an idea who head of the new school will be'

Its a thought - no fact in it whatsoever - but there are quite a few that think the way I do!!

But just can't add to the debate can it loopy as we can't name names - a bit pointless therefore don't you think unless you are seriously challenging the point I am making about equity and fairness that I am suggesting will and needs to be beyond reproach? If you have real concerns about the process then I suggest that you get your legal team engaged right now! \From what I know of how it will work there is a clear process ro follow that has to be squeaky clean and clear and that will be bounced back presumably by those deciding if the decision making is questioned as it is Council's, LEA's and individuals integrity that you will be challengin, dependent on outcome of course! Hope this can now run its natural course!!

But just can't add to the debate can it loopy as we can't name names - a bit pointless therefore don't you think unless you are seriously challenging the point I am making about equity and fairness that I am suggesting will and needs to be beyond reproach? If you have real concerns about the process then I suggest that you get your legal team engaged right now! \From what I know of how it will work there is a clear process ro follow that has to be squeaky clean and clear and that will be bounced back presumably by those deciding if the decision making is questioned as it is Council's, LEA's and individuals integrity that you will be challengin, dependent on outcome of course! Hope this can now run its natural course!!

The name has been mentioned already - D McKinlay.

Its not a bit pointless at all - I dont see it that way!!

I do have doubts about the process and if the above named person does end up the head of the new school then surely that would bring doubts to others about the process of recruiting a new head!