Radical Islamists broke into a news conference held by moderate Muslims on Tuesday, denounced Prime Minister Tony Blair as Satan and urged Muslims to boycott next month's election.

Around 20 protesters, many wearing scarves to hide their faces, ripped a locked door off its hinges at one of London's main mosques and burst into the event organised by the country's main Islamic lobby group the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB).

They pushed their way to the front of the room, stood on chairs and shouted slogans against the MCB, Blair, Jews, Christians, apostates and the entire political system.

"Tony Blair can go to hell! Tony Blair can go to hell!," they chanted as television cameras turned on them. "There is no God but Allah!"

They also called on Muslims to abandon the election next month. Discuss.

thats pretty shocking and the election is 3 weeks away just makes you wonder what will happen next

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4460565.stm

Originally posted by t020
denounced Prime Minister Tony Blair as Satan

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't think Muslims believed in Satan? Thought that was a Christian invention??? :confused:

So whats new? The islamic faith will always have those who are extreem,they are the hiden enemy.
What we need to find out it just how much support they actually have in the muslim community.

Originally posted by royjames
What we need to find out it just how much support they actually have in the muslim community.

Very little, judging from the few Muslims I know.

The moderate muslims have condemned the actions of these extremists and rightly so. It is these very actions that generate mistrust of the muslim community and generate animosity. Many people feel the muslim community is a hornets nest just waiting to be disturbed. I think to some extent even the government are worried about upsetting the muslim community, worried about the volatile nature of this culture. Most muslims will no doubt distance themselves from this sort of behaviour. If radical islamists dont want to vote then fine, they shouldnt be allowed to anyway.

just a bunch of extreme idiots. there is very little support in the muslim community for them 9as far as I know)

Muslim answer to Justice for Fathers. You are always going to get this kind of thing where people use force to make themselves known. It would be better without it, but thats life.

It seems like this crowd need to be dealt with now, if this is their second attack on the MCB. Their confidence will grow and will attract young muslims who yearn for a bit of action, like any other young man.

If extremists hate it so much here, why not leave & find a nice comfortable place that they do like? :loopy:

Yeah, like Pakistan or afghanistan or somewhere equally as inviting. Some of our immigrant brothers forget why they came here in the first place. It may be time to remind them.

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
If extremists hate it so much here, why not leave & find a nice comfortable place that they do like? :loopy:

Why would anyone leave a country thats going to belong to them in the near future ?

Oh dear. Perhaps someone should tell them how much they are loathed, abhorred and utterly despised. Perhaps we should lock them up and inject them with chemicals until they think they are fried eggs, as was done in the former Soviet Union. Mind you, they were right about Tony Blair.

Spot on as usual Poppins.

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
If extremists hate it so much here, why not leave & find a nice comfortable place that they do like? :loopy:

Fathers for Justice too?

Everyone has a right to protest...

Originally posted by poppins
Why would anyone leave a country thats going to belong to them in the near future ?

Please, poppins, feel free to back up this impressively sweeping statement with facts.

I shan't hold my breath. :loopy:

The Jehovah's Witnesses also refuse to vote, also on religious grounds.

Having read the link, these few protestors appear to be a tiny bunch of hot-heads, who were quickly and rightly condemned by their elders (and also by the Muslim Conservative candidate).

Not much different from throwing eggs at the Deputy Prime Minister by another silly protestor. Has John Prescott been back to Wales during this election campaign yet?

Originally posted by Greenback
Fathers for Justice too?

Everyone has a right to protest...
I dont remember any of the fathers for justice belonging to the al-Muhajiroun group. A radical Islamic group believed to have worked with Al-Qaeda
When was the last time you heard fathers for justice backing Ossama Bin Laden.

Originally posted by Greenback
Fathers for Justice too?

Everyone has a right to protest...

F.F.J just want to see their kids.

Religious exteremists want to change the whole world to suit their personal twisted mediaeval ideas that are based on a guide book written centuries ago & interpreted in any one of a million ways.

Everyone does have a right to protest.

I don't like bullfighting but I'm not gonna move to Barcelona & spend the rest of my life screaming about it.
:loopy:


:thumbsup: Keep it real :D

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
I don't like bullfighting but I'm not gonna move to Barcelona & spend the rest of my life screaming about it.
:loopy:


:thumbsup: Keep it real :D

Perhaps you would protest though if you were Spanish by birth, but of British extraction Don? Think about it!

Originally posted by Kristian
Perhaps you would protest though if you were Spanish by birth, but of British extraction Don? Think about it!
Send these extremist back to the countries their bloodlines originate from and let them protest from there.

Originally posted by Kristian
Perhaps you would protest though if you were Spanish by birth, but of British extraction Don? Think about it!
Maybe if I was Spanish I'd love it.

So around 20 protestors - protested just prior to a general election? . . . :o :confused: :o BUT . . . Thats never happened before!! and these 20 protestors qualify in speaking on behalf of every muslim in Britain????:o

I think what you'll find is - a group of young hotheads got together, maybe had a spliff or two and decided to get themselves on TV. Why the uproar? :rolleyes: :loopy:

Poppins, sorry but your talkin' utter tripe again and Nimrod you'll find Al Quaeda dont just reside in Pakistan & Afghanistan.
If you read the news daily, you'd know that the Pakistan military is doing it's upmost to quash these radicals and is fighting together with American intelligence to rid it's country of these people.
Alot of Pakistani soldiers have given their lives fighting the extreme groups that keep trying to infiltrate Pakistans borders. Therefore I'd just like you to get your facts right before blurting out all sorts of verbal s**t.:thumbsup:

Pakistan military doing its utmost...lmao. Sorry but thats a nothing more than a token gesture thats too little too late. Anyone who thinks the Pakistani government are doing this because they feel compelled to fight terrorism is living with their heads in the clouds, or some other remote place. They are fighting terrorism because they have to. Gen Pervez Musharraf has long-standing links with several Islamic fundamentalist groups and he has been warned by the west to buck his ideas up so he is simply buckling under pressure to curb cross border terrorism.
If your willing to call this group of people nothing more than hotheads doped up looking for some TV coverage then you ought to work for the pakistani security forces.

20 radical Islamists storm a meeting?

According to the tabloids there must be thousands of them in the country ready to bring mass destruction on us all at the drop of a hat.

Not just the U K Poppins , but the good old U S of A as well.

Just an observation. I do see that no one was arrested for the protest or the assault that took place.(or nothing has been reported as such!)

For their only to be 20 protesters present at the meeting doesn't imply that there are not a lot more that have the same extreme views.
After 9/11 there was no real condemnation of the act by the MBC and celebrations by extremists about 9/11 were allowed to take place in London each year by exstremist muslim groups.

Certain clerics have on numerouse occasions encouraged their followers at the mosques to commit acts against the Kafir.

For anyone to make the assumption that all is well in the muslim community and that there are only a handfull of radicals around are being a little naive, as no one actually knows how many there are and as to how well they are organised in the UK.
I am sure time will tell in the very near future.

Mod. Note

Please keep this on subject, folks.

If you wish to discuss the effectiveness of the Pakistani military, Fathers for Justice or whether there is a hot bed of radicalism in every Mosque in the UK, please start a new thread for the subject.

Cheers

Joe

Fathers for Justice and Al Qaeda.

But only one bullet.

Now, that's a tough choice.

Originally posted by Delboy3
Just an observation. I do see that no one was arrested for the protest or the assault that took place.(or nothing has been reported as such!)

For their only to be 20 protesters present at the meeting doesn't imply that there are not a lot more that have the same extreme views.

It doesn't imply anything either way - all that can be said with any certainty is that 20 protestors stormed the meeting.

Originally posted by Delboy3
After 9/11 there was no real condemnation of the act by the MBC

Not true at all:

http://www.mcb.org.uk/130901.html

Having watched one of the protesters strike the council leader one would have thought they would have been charged with assault?
I dont seem to find anything that confirms this,maybe they are to be let off with a slapped wrist.

Originally posted by royjames
Having watched one of the protesters strike the council leader one would have thought they would have been charged with assault?
I dont seem to find anything that confirms this,maybe they are to be let off with a slapped wrist.

They would probably claim it was racist to charge them with anything! We wouldn't want to offend them, would we? ;)

They may be exempt from prosecution with being a 'protected species'!

I doubt the Police would dare arrest them, as they would take the Police to the European courts and claim thousands each off the Police for 'infringment of civil liberties' or even worse get in touch with Trevor Philips of the CRE who would scream 'RACISTS' at the Police and have them all sacked on the spot.

Can you provide evidence for;

1) The number of police officers who've been sacked by Trevor Phillips.

2) The number of Muslims who've been succesful in claiming thousands by taking their case to European Courts for cases of wrongful arrest.

I have a feeling that I won't see any.................

I was concerned about the way it was reported. I was told on '5 live' about the protest but not what they were protesting about. It could have been the price of fish as far as I knew.

I just wonder if this was more evidence of the media (even the BBC after Hutton) being in collusion with the powers that be or am I just paranoid when it comes to what I am (not) told?

didya know there is a new pope now??????

Originally posted by Greenback
It doesn't imply anything either way - all that can be said with any certainty is that 20 protestors stormed the meeting.



Not true at all:

http://www.mcb.org.uk/130901.html

It would be nice to be able to believe everything that is put out by different organisations either condemnation or otherwise.....Reading between the lines, their statement was nothing more than words to keep the peace.

If you read up about..Iqbal Sacranie: secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain you will see a different side.

Back to topic.

would anyone be able to say what would the media story be if it were 20 English patriots protesting and assaulting others at a Mosque?
Double standards at work????

Originally posted by Delboy3
It would be nice to be able to believe everything that is put out by different organisations either condemnation or otherwise.....Reading between the lines, their statement was nothing more than words to keep the peace.

"Reading between the lines"??? I think you mean "projecting preconceptions upon a statement that thoroughly contradicts a previous argument". Still, nice shifting of the goalposts.

Originally posted by Delboy3
If you read up about..Iqbal Sacranie: secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain you will see a different side.

I've done a little reading, but can't really find much that damns him - what are you referring to?

Originally posted by Longcol
Can you provide evidence for;

1) The number of police officers who've been sacked by Trevor Phillips.

2) The number of Muslims who've been succesful in claiming thousands by taking their case to European Courts for cases of wrongful arrest.

I have a feeling that I won't see any.................

Trevor Philips is above any law and the top brass in the Police quake in their boots when he speaks.
As for evidence- look on google, i have not the time to find it but there will be loads as they are now a protected species with special laws brought out to benefit them.

Originally posted by Greenback
"Reading between the lines"??? I think you mean "projecting preconceptions upon a statement that thoroughly contradicts a previous argument". Still, nice shifting of the goalposts.



I've done a little reading, but can't really find much that damns him - what are you referring to?

Some interesting material....AS I said...Reading between the lines is a must these days as the truth for any statements are hard to come by.......I am not shifting goal posts.....
.http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/38

Quote from 1 article...The MCB press release issued after 9/11 was short and to the point. The prefunctory condemnations were issued which never mentioned the world Islam or made any repudiation of the deeds on behalf of the Muslim community.. Instead the MCB says "Who ever is responsible for these dreadful wanton attacks we condemn them utterly " "We hope that those responsible will be brought to justice for these unconscionable deeds"

Note that in the first paragraph of the press release the MCB acts as if they dont know who the hijackers were,yet in the second paragraph they say that as Muslims they "Feel a huge sense of fear " and that "Terror makes victims of us all"

The Muslim Council of Britain shows that their only concern is with their own safety and well being after September 11 attacks

eguin

You haven't time to find the evidence, or doesn't the evidence exist. Can you find me a reliable link via google.......or is it just the usual assertion rather than being based on fact.

I said that as well[haven't time]
feel free to think what you want, i am not a solicitor or CPS so i don't need to find evidence.
....and find your own link- i'm not your slave!

We should find out what these "radicals" do for a living and what contribution they make to OUR society. Need I say more?

As I understand it, the group who broke up the election meetings are opposed to Muslims participating or even voting in elections, on the grounds that God is the supreme legislator and mere mortals have no right to make laws, because all the laws needed are contained in the Koran.

Originally posted by LordChaverly
As I understand it, the group who broke up the election meetings are opposed to Muslims participating or even voting in elections, on the grounds that God is the supreme legislator and mere mortals have no right to make laws, because all the laws needed are contained in the Koran.

In which case what are they doing here when they could go and live in a nice muslim dictatorship where they don't hold elections?

Originally posted by AJ sheffield
Pakistan military doing its utmost...lmao. Sorry but thats a nothing more than a token gesture thats too little too late.

Pakistani commandos arrested a man described as a top member of the al-Qaeda terrorist network, a man whom President Bush on Wednesday called "a major facilitator and a chief planner" for Osama bin Laden.

The arrest came after a shootout in a raid Monday outside the town of Mardan, 30 miles north of Peshawar in the northwestern border region of Pakistan.

His arrest culminates an investigation lasting more than six months. The United States provided "active support" to Pakistan that helped lead to al-Libbi's capture, Hadley said.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-05-04-pakistan-arrest_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA


The war on terrorism is still being fought. The Pakistan army IS still doing it's utmost to combat terrorism.

Hi Lestat
I am sorry if my post came across as flippant. My main dig was at Gen Pervez Musharraf who has ties to extremist groups and not the Pakistani military. I accept the fact that these men are risking, and sometimes losing their lives in the fight against terrorism. I also accept the fact that the Bush administration call anyone who stands against their frightening imperialistic foriegn policies a terrorist. Most of the time we are brainwashed by the media into believing all these groups are terrorists when in fact they are actually freedom fighters standing against America and their quest for total world domination. Its sad when anyone loses their life fighting for freedom.