is it just me or does sheffield seem to lack any residential sites for travellers?. many towns and cities such as leeds and doncaster provide facilities for the travelling community but sheffield doesnt seem to do much to help.

the redundant land on the manor where the houses are being demolished would be ideal for such a development. also some of the green belt land in ecclesall could be developed for use by travellers.

in my years in this city i dont think i have ever seen travellers camped in sheffield. this is unusual because many cities often have travellers passing through. maybe they dont like sheffield.

Go to the Sportsman pub in Lodgemoor. Sit outside in the beer garden and you will soon be getting at a minimum, verbal abuse from a bunch of the worst kids you can imagine.
:o

thanks for the tip but i dont frequent lodgemoor. is the statement related to travellers? i mean you could sit outside any pub in this city and either get abused verbally or physically or shot or murdered or raped or mugged by anyone not just travellers.

Originally posted by wayne2440
thanks for the tip but i dont frequent lodgemoor. is the statement related to travellers? i mean you could sit outside any pub in this city and either get abused verbally or physically or shot or murdered or raped or mugged by anyone not just travellers.

There is a travellers' site at Lodge Moor and the reason you don't hear about it is because it's not newsworthy. I think neeeek was trying, not successfully, to tell you that that's where the site is .

Originally posted by wayne2440
...the redundant land on the manor where the houses are being demolished would be ideal for such a development. also some of the green belt land in ecclesall could be developed for use by travellers.

Are you being serious? I couldn't think of any worse move for the city than to have a site for travellers up on the manor sky line. Or anywhere for that matter!

Originally posted by Deavon
Are you being serious? I couldn't think of any worse move for the city than to have a site for travellers up on the manor sky line. Or anywhere for that matter!
Seconded. I'd rather Sheffield not have a site for travellers thanks!

i kind of guessed that. but just because the pub is next to a traveller site it doesnt mean its the traveller kids who cause the trouble.

as for not being newsworthy if the governments proposals are enforced then it will become newsworthy. just think you could end up with a traveller site on your doorstep.

i think its disgraceful that councils fail to provide travellers sites. Just because they live a different lifestyle, doesn't mean they don't deserve a home, or a chance to live how they would like to, or a chance to live alongside and part of general society.

The prejudice towards travellers is tolerated in this country, where as if you tried to stop asians or disabled people or women moving to an area of sheffield you'd face court over discrimination.

I agree that travellers often camp illegally on farmers' land etc and this is unacceptable, but we rarely leave them an alternative option by refusing to provide sites for them.

In Haringey (where i'm from originally) travellers took over a site next to a children's school, park and playground about 20 years ago and there was initially a lot of conflict and trouble with local residents. However, the council made efforts to make the site permanenet and sanitary whilst holding meetings with locals and the travellers and a consenus was achieved.

Despite the relative calm after the trouble when they initially moved to the area, for some reason last year, Haringey Council paid the travellers over £200,000 to leave (this is a council that is millions in debt and has the worst rate of successfully collecting council tax in the country) therefore throwing thousands of pounds away on an issue that had been resolved.

Originally posted by wayne2440
i kind of guessed that. but just because the pub is next to a traveller site it doesnt mean its the traveller kids who cause the trouble.

as for not being newsworthy if the governments proposals are enforced then it will become newsworthy. just think you could end up with a traveller site on your doorstep.

I meant that it was not newsworthy in that we have a travellers' site and it doesn't seem to cause problems therefore it's not in the news. So, having a travellers' site on our doorstep already why would the govenment's proposals make it become more newsworthy?

Sorry about my half post! Yes, there is a site up there that is some times occupied, yes they were traveller children and no I don't have anything against travellers, or any other type of person in general. A few friends any myself went up for a quiet drink and the abuse we got from these awful kids was beyond belief. For NO reason at all they came along and started being really abusive, aged bewteen 5 and 12 at a guess, about 7 of them. the verbal abuse was bad enough but then they started grabbing drinks, hitting people with branches from trees, trying to steal peoples glasses after calling then four eyes! Followed with comments along the lines of your a f*** bender, you tried to f***** rape me, my dads gunna f*** kill you. etc etc etc.. This was from 9 and 10 year olds. Not doing much for the cause of travellers really.

thank you for speaking so much sense harrietstar. i agree that there is too much persecution towards people who choose a different way of life.

not all travellers are thieves or thugs. i know of a traveller family who are honest kind trustworthy and who bring their kids up to show people respect. there is good and bad in all walks of life. some traveller families do give the others a bad name.

recently my mum had a group of travellers in her village who were doing tarmac work such as driveways. they were only there for a few days and after they had done their work (which they got by knocking on doors and offering to do work without VAT) they moved on and didnt leave behind any litter or debris.

live and let live. thats what i say.

Shouldn't this be with this thread?
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14909&perpage=15&pagenumber=6

Originally posted by wayne2440
is it just me or does sheffield seem to lack any residential sites for travellers?. many towns and cities such as leeds and doncaster provide facilities for the travelling community but sheffield doesnt seem to do much to help...
Short answer, it's just you.
Sheffield City Council web-site
Traveller Services


We provide three Traveller Sites at Huntsman's Gardens near Darnall, Long Acre View at Halfway and Redmires Lane.

There is a three person team dealing with Traveller issues and support consisting of the Traveller Services Officer and two Site Wardens.

Redmires Lane and Long Acre View
These sites are usually full but vacancies do occur from time to time.
Telephone Redmires (0114) 230 1760
Long Acre View (0114) 251 0338

Huntsman's Gardens
There are usually places available on this site.
Telephone (0114) 243 3318

Visitors to Sheffield
We do allow visitors on the sites. A residence fee may be payable for vans.

Unauthorised Encampments
We deal with each case on its merits but would ask that visitors use official sites. Any toleration of unauthorised encampments will be in accordance with our policy.

Other Services
Sheffield supports a Health Visitor for Travellers, an Education team and there is a Traveller Support Group. For details of how to contact these services please click Other Services on the left.

To contact our Traveller Services
The Traveller Services Officer is Mick Smith who can be contacted on (0114) 203 7416.

Link:
http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/index.asp?pgid=2358

a couple of days ago i went passed the manor houses which are currently being demolished. i just thought it might be a good idea to utilise this redundant land and thought perhaps a traveller site might be ideal. surely this would be a better option than to build new housing which within a year or two will look just as horrible and run down as what stands there at present.

Come on wayne2440 come clean whats with the pro traveller speech.

I don't think Neeeeeeek was refuring to the static camp up the road from the Sportsman.
As I have said before you don't hear anything from them.
Although doing 60 mile an hour on redmires rd (in the 40 zone)
grates a bit.
Yeah I know their's a load of spoilt boy racers doing it as well, they stink too.

Neeeeeeek is probabaly had the bad experiences with the travellers who pitch on the actual Sportsman field from time to time.

Very unpleasent lot, not doing a lot for your cause wayne2440.

Sorry.

Originally posted by wayne2440
i just thought it might be a good idea to utilise this redundant land and thought perhaps a traveller site might be ideal. surely this would be a better option than to build new housing which within a year or two will look just as horrible and run down as what stands there at present.

What as horrible as makeshift town/camp with no sewage system ect......

Whats the problem with building some new modern houses and letting the travellers know when they are up for sale/rent?

Even give them first refusal, could'nt be fairer than that.

Just a quick question, but according to the council,
Sheffield City Council web-site
...Redmires Lane and Long Acre View
These sites are usually full but vacancies do occur from time to time...
...Huntsman's Gardens
There are usually places available on this site...

Link:
http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/index.asp?pgid=2358
If these people are "Travellers", why aren't spaces cropping up all the time on all three sites, as they move from place to place.

Can't be travelling very much then. :suspect:

Ive hung around with a lot of travellers in my time, a lot of my old mates were travellers, i hung around on a traveller site near doncaster (sprotborough i think) for a time, yeah there used to be a gypsy site at darnell if i remember right, near take two i think??

There is a hell of a lot of stigma attached to the travelling fraternity aswell as with the homeless (2 groups of people ive always hung around with, stuck up for) call me a weirdo :) a lot of it is down to trouble, crime, abuse, mess etc..........which happens in all ways of life, just those groups are smaller so it seems to happen more often, by more.like crime and drugs in the black community i suppose, but if race relations was still in the same league as with the travellers / homeless now itd be like still living back in the 70s with the sus and stop and search laws etc, blacks being beaten in police cells, riots on the streets

anyway ill shut up rabbiting :P

I don't have a problem with travellers, its up to them how they choose to live. However, the ones at lodge moor have caused lots of problems. Theyve attacked an old man outside costcutters, been abusive to the public a number of times, and followed my ex's little brother threatening to kill him. Ive also seen 13 years old kids driving vans around the area with their parents in the passenger seat! They've been up there for years and know that the police and authorities cant really move them, and therefore seem to think that they can get away with anything.

Maybe if there were controlled sites that were managed by the council any troublemakers could be evicted, therfore stopping many of the negative feelings towards travellers and improving relations with the community.

I think the problem with them is that they just don't seem to have any responsbility towards anything but expect everything to be provided for them. There's people on the site at Lodge Moor who've been there 4 years. Do they actually pay any tax at all, local or otherwise? They get free nursery care for their children (and more of it than the rest of us do) but they're driving around in big cars. They frequently take their children out of school for days so they're not getting a good education and they behave appallingly (and yes, I do have experience of both them and other children). One of them was christened in our church a while back and as soon as their part of the service was over, they all got up and walked out, completely disrupting things for everyone else. It just seemed to me a perfect example of how they take what they want where they want and don't care about how it affects anyone else.

I think the kids do it cos the parents let them get away with it, and they know the police are sick of dealing with them, and its a sensitive issue as far as the councils concered. As far as I know they live on private land near a farm, and pay the farmer something for the use of his land. I think this makes it virtually impossible to move them becuase theyre on private land. Thats why some managed sites would be a good thing. A group in Leeds have moved onto a primary school playing field! I think thats unacceptable, but giving them somewhere to go where the land is managed and owned by someone with the power to sort out any problems would be a good idea.

For god's sake - political correctness has turned the world upside-down, I'm sure the pro-travellers would be all for travellers sites as long as it's not on their doorsteps. Unfortunatley stereo typing is pretty accurate sometimes and would be foolish to disregard. I'm sure there are a few honest travellers out there who still adhere to their traditions and expect to work (like the rest of us) in recompense for the things they need in life, but these people are a minority. Face it, don't leave anything not bolted down when you know the pikies are about. PC people find something worthy of your diatribes.

I'm not trying to be politically correct, I'm just stating both sides of the story! Sorry if you don't like my opinion, but I don't just think in black and white cos thats just being ignorant!

Wasn't specifically accusing you NicolaE, more the poster-person, in fact I thought your comments were very balanced and informed. Was thinking what a rediculous topic to promote but actually I replied didn't I so it must have been a relevent issue to bring up after all.

im very unpc, i think people go to far with the political correctness stuff, i just happen to come from a similer sort of background in sheffield and hung around that "scene" a bit.
As for all this well they should work blah blah blah

Im 36, white, working class, responsible, mature, friendly, live in a house, 2 kids, live with the missus (not married) but been together 19 years. ive never had a real job, until 5 months ago i got a part time job and this is my second week in my first EVER full time job, some of its partly my fault, some of it is not my fault as to why i couldnt get a job since leaving school in 1985. Still cant get a computer job, even tho ive got a full page of a cv full of computer training and qualifications (yes ive not been THAT lazy :P) so its not just the travellers, its not just the homeless, its not just the blacks, irish, whites, women, disabled.

Just look at the the current media infatuation with what has become known as the chavs.....unemployment, abuse, crime, drugs, mess, violence still the same, but most are white, english, working class, live in houses

Ok, fair enough, sorry 4 gettin annoyed, I just hate all this political correctness crap! everyones entitled to their opinions, but people who refuse to think about the other side of the story really annoy me!!! Not aiming that at anyone here though!!!

NicolaE, no worries. Yup we're all entitled to our opinions but when it's said we should work for what we get some people feel threatened so the best form of defence is attack. I'm pretty fed up too, as a white, able bodied, childless, educated, working, straight (soz Kris), english-as-a-first-language person it's me who feels disadvantaged these days.

Originally posted by wayne2440
is it just me or does sheffield seem to lack any residential sites for travellers?. many towns and cities such as leeds and doncaster provide facilities for the travelling community but sheffield doesnt seem to do much to help.

the redundant land on the manor where the houses are being demolished would be ideal for such a development. also some of the green belt land in ecclesall could be developed for use by travellers.

in my years in this city i dont think i have ever seen travellers camped in sheffield. this is unusual because many cities often have travellers passing through. maybe they dont like sheffield.

Well if they're anything like the Worksop Gypsies....

:rant: http://www.rotherhamtoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=85&ArticleID=1001311 :rant:

Originally posted by NicolaE
Maybe if there were controlled sites that were managed by the council...
There are 3 controlled sites managed by the council in Sheffield (read my earlier posts), and the site at Lodge Moor is one of them.

The travellers/gypsies seem to favour Doncaster so leave well enough alone. Whatever excuses the pc mob make for them they are still a social problem. Would you like them camping next to your house???? I doubt it.

Originally posted by Billie
NicolaE, no worries. Yup we're all entitled to our opinions but when it's said we should work for what we get some people feel threatened so the best form of defence is attack. I'm pretty fed up too, as a white, able bodied, childless, educated, working, straight (soz Kris), english-as-a-first-language person it's me who feels disadvantaged these days.

Awww...diddummss....

*starts up the violin music in the background*

Why exactly do you feel disadvantaged? Are all those gypsies and single mothers and lesbians and black people taking your jobs?

I would imagine what Billie , quite rightly , is bothered about is the number of people in this country who take money from the rest of the population , without contributing a sausage and , quite often , on top of that , moan and groan about how wicked the majoriyy are .
Unless there's been a vast conspiracy , by millions of people in this country , over many years , it seems obvious that a fair proportion of travellers indulge in a lot of very bad or anti-social behaviour. People say , " But I once knew some travellers and they were model citizens ". In that case , I bet they've been left alone . Time and time again , ordinary people come up with these horror stories about travellers . I simply don't believe they're making them up.
Other groups behave badly too. Yes , of course ---but that doesn't mean that peple ought to have to put up with travellers behaving badly too !
There's really no such thing as government money. Basically , local and national expenditure is YOUR money. Every time you look at your tax bill or buy something that's taxed , let's hope you feel happy that you're working until about the end of May , each year to pay taxes to keep a large number of idlers , dead-heads and scum in funds .
That's what people like Billie and a lot of us are worried about ; not about losing jobs . The people I'm on about wouldn't know what a job looked like.

Yeah, but those people come in all colours, shapes, sizes, sexualities and religions. There is plenty of straight white men who dont pay any tax, and sit around on the dole selling drugs. I know, because I know some of them! So how can billie say that he is disadvantaged for being "a white, able bodied, childless, educated, working, straight (soz Kris), english-as-a-first-language person"?

Look, the first post said,
Originally posted by wayne2440
is it just me or does sheffield seem to lack any residential sites for travellers?...

...in my years in this city i dont think i have ever seen travellers camped in sheffield. this is unusual because many cities often have travellers passing through. maybe they dont like sheffield.
We've now established that there are indeed three official sites run by the council, at,

Originally posted by foo_fighter
Redmires Lane and Long Acre View
These sites are usually full but vacancies do occur from time to time.
Telephone Redmires (0114) 230 1760
Long Acre View (0114) 251 0338

Huntsman's Gardens
There are usually places available on this site.
Telephone (0114) 243 3318
isn't that the end of this thread?

All the rest is distinctly off topic.

I think what he means is that if he is working , then he's paying taxes for ALL groups.
People who have no children pay taxes and that money is paid to people who have children , whether those people have ever contributed a penny or not towards the country. So , in some cases , people like Billie are paying not only for those who have never worked and have no intentions of doing so , but also for their kids too.
When Billie talks about , "English as a first language " and "white " , I think he is getting at two things.First a lot of indigenous people in this country feel that they are being almost outlawed in various ways. The indigenous population can come under fire from any quarter----but be very careful what you say about ANY minorities !
Secondly , it's a fact of life that people who have language problems put more strain on hospitals , schools , the police and social services than would otherwise be the case. Yet , when this has been pointed out , by the people who are paying for it , they are accused of being racists or bigots or intolerant. They are simply wanting a check kept on why we are one of the highest tax-paying countries in the world , whilst our public life is grotty.
Yes , you're right , there are some indigenous scum and idlers too but I'm sure Billie et al would condemn them as well . We've always had enough of our own villains , over the years and so that almost didn't need saying.

Mod. Note

Gotta agree with foo_fighter.

Question answered, thread locked!

Joe