Those who remember the old Stranglers hit 'What ever happened to all the Heros?' may recall that the line "whatever happened to Irvine Patnick" was strangely absent.

No doubt apologists for the 1970's punk rock group will claim that the song was released in 1977 and that it was another 20 years before dear old Sir Irvine lost his seat in the 1997 general election. So be it.

Never-the-less the question still remains unanswered; what did happen to lovely old Sir Irvine after 1997. He didn't stand in 2001 nor is he standing this year. Has he retired from politics?

didnt the patnicks own a string of junk shops in sheffield in the 80s ? maybe hes in the house of lords

I think Irvine Patnick used to own a pawn shop in Hillsborough long before he became an MP.

Long since retired - used to be Tory MP in Hallam before Liberal Democrats got him out.

Lets start a 'Bring back Sir irvine' campaign. It isn't too late for him to stand in this election in Hallam.

Here is the chorus of his campaign song set to the tune of The Red Flag:

Sir Irvinre comes,
the people cheer,
we'll keep the blue flag ,
flying here.

:clap:

Well apparently Sir Irvine is chairman of Watt solutions and if you follow the link:

http://www.watt-solutions.co.uk/

there is an email address in case anyone wants to contact him.

Originally posted by panda79
didnt the patnicks own a string of junk shops in sheffield in the 80s ? maybe hes in the house of lords

Oh for many many years before that....called Patnicks Junkarama :D

Patnicks shop is featured in the local picture book 'A Hillsborough Camera'; you can get it at WH Smiths and I believe also the Sheffield Star offices.

i used to know irvine patnick when i was a small girl in the late 60s my mum used to clean the offices for himself and his brother,it was on shales moor next to a pub i forget the name of.

Originally posted by slimsid2000

Never-the-less the question still remains unanswered; what did happen to lovely old Sir Irvine after 1997. He didn't stand in 2001 nor is he standing this year. Has he retired from politics?

I work with his nephew, I could ask him if you like.

Originally posted by deelightful3
i used to know irvine patnick when i was a small girl in the late 60s my mum used to clean the offices for himself and his brother,it was on shales moor next to a pub i forget the name of. the pub was th mosely,irvine and his brother phillip had a buildng company at shalesmoor,my father worked for them both for a lot of yrs,when irvine went into politics,phillip had a junk shop on abbeydale rd,the junkerama at pagehall belonged to another brother i believe.

didnt irvine die,apologies if im wrong.

Originally posted by deelightful3
didnt irvine die,apologies if im wrong.

Not according to this web page (http://www.homebusiness.org.uk/home-business-patron.htm) !

Originally posted by cgksheff
Not according to this web page (http://www.homebusiness.org.uk/home-business-patron.htm) !

Funny that his entreprenureal (sic ?) prowess makes no mention of his junk shop connection. :D

Originally posted by Mo
Funny that his entreprenureal (sic ?) prowess makes no mention of his junk shop connection. :D

You post that as though being in the secondhand business is somehow shameful?

However, I don't think Irvine ever actually worked in the business. His father was the orginal, Philip opened Junkerama. Irvine worked for Eversure Textiles in the seventies when he was still a SC Councillor, before he scaled the dizzy heights to Parliament :D... and I know this, how?

I used to work there too.

ps I don't think "sic" is shorthand for "is my spelling correct" :D

Ruby I can see that you weren't kidding when you stated your interests as 'arguing the toss' ;)

Originally posted by Mo
Ruby I can see that you weren't kidding when you stated your interests as 'arguing the toss' ;)

I'm so flattered that you took the time to check me out ... :cool:

Edward the youngest brother is the owner and has run Patnick's Junkerama for many years since his father Aaron retired .Phillip , a true gent and wit ,helps out .Sir Irvine is still alive and well but retired from active politics .
abi.

Originally posted by deelightful3
didnt irvine die,apologies if im wrong.

Not unless he has an imposter! I saw him at a charity dinner function only last month! So, alive and well it seems.

I spoke to him on the telephone a few days ago and he was very much alive and well.:thumbsup:

i think patnicks used to have a buliding on derbyshire lane at meersbrook.my dad worked for him for a while

Originally posted by sneaks
i think patnicks used to have a buliding on derbyshire lane at meersbrook.my dad worked for him for a while i bet your father new my father as he workked for irvine and phillip in the late 60s 70s.

it was his brother who ran the second hand stall, still does, at monday open air market next to castle market.

i never liked irvine patnick when he was an mp, but wrote to him since and he seems okay!:)

My great-uncle ran a household hardware store almost opposite old man Patmic's place - it's now a Pizza shop. He remembers young Irvine.

he was abducted by aliens.... fox mulder is on the case

one of the patnicks had a stall in the old rag,n tag i used to work for him saturdays in the mid sixties 2/6 half day 5 bob all day[QUOTE]its still raining in georgia

It was one of the patnicks who used to own all the back to back houses on little london road

The Patnicks made a lot of money from house clearances as well of the junk shops where most of the stock went. Can you imagine what some of the finds could have been like they got in these clearances years ago? Obviously with the best intent in the first place when purchased :rolleyes:

Alive and well and enjoying his semi retirement whilst sharing his vast knowledge and experience gained from years as a government whip with those who can benefit from his wisdom.

Out of sight doesn't mean he's on the scrap heap :)

It was one of the patnicks who used to own all the back to back houses on little london roadHi jauntyone , I Remember Patnicks having a second hand shop in little london rd the backs of those shops were in asline rd i worked on those properties during the war , we started at the top house on that block and mr patnick came to us playing merry hell! because we had not started on his shop first, i told him where to go , and he phoned my bosssaying i had been cheekyto him,he did not own the property then but may have done later , Cheers Arthur.

I think some of the same family run The Local Trading company shop on London Road - they sell all sorts of upholstery stuff - foam, cushions, fabric etc. I went in there the other week - very strange little place, but really helpful!

didnt the patnicks own a string of junk shops in sheffield in the 80s ? maybe hes in the house of lords

he had a large 2nd hand shop in page hall.
juliediane

Thanks for the info arthur, I was born in 1948 and lived in those houses until the mid 60's.

Little london road ws a tipical working class area but everyone sure looked after one another, such fond memories of that area. "My ROOTS"

anyone remember who his personal assistant/secretary was when he was mp back in the late 80's?

I well remember Patnick's double-fronted junk shop on Langsett Road, and old Aaron at the counter - also the Page Hall shop. The first Patnick to settle in Sheffield came from Eastern Europe (he voted with his feet during the pogroms) and was apparently a glazier. This might have been Aaron, or his dad. Going from house to house doing glazing jobs he got to know of secondhand items for sale, and that's how they got into the junk business. But it wasn't all secondhand stuff - I remember in the early 1970s there was a big sign in the window of the Langsett Road shop that read "net curtains - we have enough for all the windows in Sheffield" (might have had something to do with young Irvine being in the textile trade). The "family seat" was a big house in Wadsley. Aaron died many years ago but Irvine (Cyril Irvine Patnick, O.B.E.) is indeed still going strong at 77 - he lives on Abbeydale Road South.

Has the story of the Patnick Family ever been put into print.

I would think it would make an excellent book.

The family seems to be dogged with half truths and inacuracies, some even on this posting.

The family has added colour, hard work and some distinction to the city of Sheffield.

I knew Aaron and he was a true 'mensch'.

Happy Days!

As far as I know the story of the Patnicks has never been put into print; I agree it would make an excellent book. I did read something in "The Star" about the family's past when the Wadsley house was sold, maybe 25 years ago - this is how I learned about the original Patnick (Aaron, or one generation back?) being a glazier, and how this led to dealing in secondhand goods. The 1925 Kelly's Directory lists general dealers Aaron Patnick at 301/303 Langsett Road and Harry Patnick at 479 Staniforth Road, also hardware dealer Israel Patnick at 286 Shalesmoor. The 1973 Kelly's (almost the last) still shows Aaron's business but the others had gone. There are also Bernard, Irvine, Israel, Kenneth and Philip. The Patnicks certainly contributed a lot of hard work, colour and enterprise to Sheffield, as did many Jewish refugees from Eastern Europe. I only met Aaron on odd occasions but he struck me as being a very open-minded person, easy to communicate with, as well as an astute businessman. Indeed a true "mensch".

Edward Patnick made a wonderful speech at my father-in-law's funeral and also performed some Jewish ritual which was interesting to say the least.

(My late father-in-law wasn't even Jewish but that's another kettle of fish.)

I agree that a book on the history of the Patnick family would make fascinating reading!

Just for the record I’ve been looking for the Patnicks on www.findmypast.com. The deaths index shows that Israel Patnick, born 3 July 1899, died in the first quarter of 1978, while Aaron Patnick, born 21 October 1897, died in the last quarter of 1979. In the birth indexes I easily found Israel (born in Sheffield) but Aaron is not to be found - so perhaps Aaron was born just before the family emigrated, and Israel soon after their arrival in Sheffield. But for some reason they are not to be found in the 1901 census return, anywhere in England & Wales (maybe they had gone back to Poland for a while?) If Aaron’s date of birth is correct, then there must have been two branches of the Patnick family in Sheffield in 1897, as Esther Minnie Patnick's birth was registered in Sheffield in the third quarter of 1897 - a matter of four months, at the most, before Aaron was born in October. No doubt a living member of the family could fill in the details - how about writing that book, Irvine?!

Irvine was on Look North last Thursday (11 Jan), speaking but also shown mowing his garden lawn. He, and some of his family, have been educated at High Storrs School.

My wife contacted Edward Patnick over the weekend to draw his attention to this thread.

Hopefully he will mention it to Irvine and we might get some interesting stories soon!

Hope so!

Irvine was on Look North last Thursday (11 Jan), speaking but also shown mowing his garden lawn. He, and some of his family, have been educated at High Storrs School.

He lives in the old looking house across from Abbeydale Industrial Hamlet at the side of the woods.

is it true that he was responsible for the headlines 'the truth' that appeared in the sun newspaper back in 1989 following the hillsborough disaster.

y'know about the fans robbing and urinating on the dead and beating up cops.

i hear mackenzie has name patnick as his source for these headlines now.

i hope he does read this thread and put the 'story' straight so to speak.

I can't agree more that Philip is a wit and a gentleman. Known him for a long, long time and he always makes me laugh. He is now an expert on Koi carp and gardening and I have spent many a happy afternoon roaming Sheffield and Derbyshire with him on the lookout for new fish and plants plus the odd beverage. Both he and Edward have recently retired from the antiques/junk game and I know the other stallholders down at Setts MArket will miss them very much.

I also taught his brother Irvine when he enrolled on one of my ICT classes and I can say that Irvine is not only a gentleman too but a very interesting chap all round.

Irvine was on Look North last Thursday (11 Jan), speaking but also shown mowing his garden lawn. He, and some of his family, have been educated at High Storrs School.

Yes I saw this too. Perhaps we should start a bring back Sir Irvine campagne.:D

He lives in the old looking house across from Abbeydale Industrial Hamlet at the side of the woods.

Ah that would explain a lot. If it is the house I am thinking of it always has lots of 'Vote Conservative' posters on it around May (local elections) every year. It is noticable when you go past on the bus as most other houses around there seem to be Lib Dem. (Oh how times have changed).

A bring back campaign?? The Patnicks have never gone away! And long may they all continue.

... The deaths index shows that Israel Patnick, born 3 July 1899, died in the first quarter of 1978, while Aaron Patnick, born 21 October 1897, died in the last quarter of 1979. In the birth indexes I easily found Israel (born in Sheffield) but Aaron is not to be found - so perhaps Aaron was born just before the family emigrated, and Israel soon after their arrival in Sheffield. But for some reason they are not to be found in the 1901 census return......

The Patnicks and Lapatnicks (are they related?) of Sheffield have cropped up again on a recent thread. The reason why Aaron cannot be found in the online index to the 1901 census is that the family name was misread as Patrick - see post #2 on this thread: http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462430

What a shame Sir Irvine was never made leader of the Conservative party during his time as an MP. He is the best leader they never had. Things would have been very different had he been leader instead of John Major.

http://toryclubsyorkshire.co.uk/images/100_0032.jpg

are irvine and phillip still around,havnt heard anything about them for years.

I well remember Patnick's double-fronted junk shop on Langsett Road, and old Aaron at the counter.

In the 50s and into the 60s he used to stock a lot of army surplus equipment, all sorts of stuff, you could see many a khaki haversack around the district that was bought there.

are irvine and phillip still around,havnt heard anything about them for years.Former M.P. Irvine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irvine_Patnick) is still going strong at 80 and lives with his wife Lynda and daughter Suzanne at Beauchief. As far I know Philip, five years younger, still lives in his bungalow not far away.

Sir Irvine comes
the people cheer
we'll keep the blue flag
flying here.

i used to know irvine patnick when i was a small girl in the late 60s my mum used to clean the offices for himself and his brother,it was on shales moor next to a pub i forget the name of.


it was a estate agency, they arranged my first ever mortgage with the chesire building society in 1966, i cant remember his first name but he used to commentate on the the hospital radio when the owls and the blades were playing at home.

No more heroes any more, no more heroes any more - what ever happened to Sir Irvine?

Edward the youngest brother is the owner and has run Patnick's Junkerama for many years since his father Aaron retired .Phillip , a true gent and wit ,helps out .Sir Irvine is still alive and well but retired from active politics .
abi.

Isn't he quite a high ranking Freemason?

Approx late 50's the Patnicks I knew had an office on a narrow street behind the Cathedral, I thought there were two brothers and one was called Philip, it was my understanding they were estate agents and also represented the Cheshire Building Society, in-fact I believe you could make mortgages payments there also. I happened to be at the office one day when a bailiff of some description came to repossess a car one of them owned, it might have belonged to the other guy not Philip. It was a bit embarrassing to be there at that particular moment, anyway they rustled up some money and payed the collector and he left. I thought, not good to be there at that time if you were there as a potential customer.

You post that as though being in the secondhand business is somehow shameful?

However, I don't think Irvine ever actually worked in the business. His father was the orginal, Philip opened Junkerama. Irvine worked for Eversure Textiles in the seventies when he was still a SC Councillor, before he scaled the dizzy heights to Parliament :D... and I know this, how?

I used to work there too.

ps I don't think "sic" is shorthand for "is my spelling correct" :D

hiya i remember irvine patnick along with his brother helping on their fathers stall in the old rag and tag market in the 1940s, there was a chap called collie or colly who had a book stall, and a mr khan who had a material stall there also.

Sir Irvine,

They don't make them like that any more. A son of Sheffield from humble but hard working origins. A dapper gent and a character with his broad striped shirts.

Totally approachable and down to earth. There are some anecdotes about him and from him in the best book ever written about Sheffield politics- The Tomb of the Unknown Alderman by a Labour chap called John Cornwall.

hi all.. my first time on this forum, so i hope you don't mind.

was watching the world cup final, so i have got one eye on here and one on the other plus ears.

at the time in 1989, how did the sheffield folk react to mr patnicks comments and the sheffield star? and how did you react after it was realised the info given out to the press was based on information received from elsewhere?

There's a lot of people who wouldn't mind having a chat with Irvine Patnick about his infamous contribution to the despicable pack of lies article in 'the sun' following the Hillsborough disaster. Utter filth.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irvine_Patnick
guardian.co.uk/media/2004/jul/07/pressandpublishing.football1

There's a lot of people who wouldn't mind having a chat with Irvine Patnick about his infamous contribution to the despicable pack of lies article in 'the sun' following the Hillsborough disaster. Utter filth.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irvine_Patnick
guardian.co.uk/media/2004/jul/07/pressandpublishing.football1

I have never read the sun from that day on will not have it in the house.

What did he say/?

There's a lot of people who wouldn't mind having a chat with Irvine Patnick about his infamous contribution to the despicable pack of lies article in 'the sun' following the Hillsborough disaster. Utter filth.
Oh please, please don't bring that terrible disaster up again ... it always ends in tears and the mods closing whatever thread it's mentioned on. People have always had their own opinions.

Oh please, please don't bring that terrible disaster up again ... it always ends in tears and the mods closing whatever thread it's mentioned on. People have always had their own opinions.

They are entitled to them.

They are entitled to them.Not on Sheffield Forum, we aren't. It appears you're only allowed to sing from one hymn sheet about this particular incident.

Not on Sheffield Forum, we aren't. It appears you're only allowed to sing from one hymn sheet about this particular incident.

Sorry i don,t know any thing about this mods situation'

A forum is about trying to be truthfull [ as you remember it anyway].

And not getting personal with anyone int it!

I have never read the sun from that day on will not have it in the house.

What did he say/?

Well it's pretty much all in those links. Old Irvine Patnick and a high-ranked police officer were the sources behind the article.

Picture here: 4.bp.blogspot.com/_Qm2i8mXTjhs/S7XOTrSmqrI/AAAAAAAAChw/ILbuSmCxSzU/s1600/Hillsborough_disaster_Sun.jpg

The whole disaster was caught on cctv but the police said the camera was broken. This proved to be untrue in a subsequent enquiry but when asked to produce the tape the police then said it had been 'stolen'.

The whole disaster was caught on cctv but the police said the camera was broken. This proved to be untrue in a subsequent enquiry but when asked to produce the tape the police then said it had been 'stolen'.

The 'theft' of the tape was a crime that was never investigated, funnily enough.

The 'theft' of the tape was a crime that was never investigated, funnily enough.

Aye mate, strange that!

Wiki: Patnick was one of the sources for The Sun newspaper's notorious coverage of the Hillsborough disaster. Sun editor Kelvin Mackenzie later said of his coverage "It was a fundamental mistake. The mistake was I believed what an MP said."[2]

Patnick is on the Right-wing of the Conservative Party. He was against sanctions on apartheid South Africa, voted to reintroduce the death penalty, strongly supported Section 28 and, in a similar vein, opposed reducing the age of consent for homosexuals.

Sounds like a lovely chap...

Aye mate, strange that!

Wiki: Patnick was one of the sources for The Sun newspaper's notorious coverage of the Hillsborough disaster. Sun editor Kelvin Mackenzie later said of his coverage "It was a fundamental mistake. The mistake was I believed what an MP said."[2]

Patnick is on the Right-wing of the Conservative Party. He was against sanctions on apartheid South Africa, voted to reintroduce the death penalty, strongly supported Section 28 and, in a similar vein, opposed reducing the age of consent for homosexuals.

Sounds like a lovely chap...

Sounds like the same old ruling classes and funny hand shake mob.

Sadly, politicians like Patnick, however corruptable, are rarely called to account.

Perhaps Mr Patnick might grace us with his presence and explain why he chipped in with such hideous lies? Was he by any chance in the police chief's pocket?

Perhaps Mr Patnick might grace us with his presence and explain why he chipped in with such hideous lies? Was he by any chance in the police chief's pocket?

I have known Sir Irvine Patnick OBE for some years and can categorically say he was mis-quoted.
what was reported was unfair, inaccurate and wrong but once it is in the paper, what can you do?
you only have to look at how the newspapers destroy peoples reputation on a daily basis.
yes there are plenty of angry people till this day but it was nothing to do with Irvine in the slightest.
for all you rational people out there he is well and as sharp as ever considering he is past 80. I had lunch with him last week

Oh for many many years before that....called Patnicks Junkarama :D

Patnicks used to be on Langsett road in the 50's

phil goes in the museum / orchard or what ever its called now , mainly t-times and saturday afternoons

I have known Sir Irvine Patnick OBE for some years and can categorically say he was mis-quoted.
what was reported was unfair, inaccurate and wrong but once it is in the paper, what can you do?
you only have to look at how the newspapers destroy peoples reputation on a daily basis.
yes there are plenty of angry people till this day but it was nothing to do with Irvine in the slightest.
for all you rational people out there he is well and as sharp as ever considering he is past 80. I had lunch with him last week

When you next see him please inform him that I still take a very dim view of his late father's sales tactics, in respect of him miss describing the virtues of the pram wheels that he sold me. They turned out to be the wrong size entirely, and prohibited me breaking the world land speed trolly championship.

:hihi:

When you next see him please inform him that I still take a very dim view of his late father's sales tactics, in respect of him miss describing the virtues of the pram wheels that he sold me. They turned out to be the wrong size entirely, and prohibited me breaking the world land speed trolly championship.

:hihi:

I certainly will mention it and do my best to get you a refund!

I certainly will mention it and do my best to get you a refund!

To my best knowledge I think that the cost was between one shilling and sixpence and two shillings. Working on my inflation tables Irvine now owes me the sum of £5,000,000, however these new Tesco specs may require some running in. ;)

I have known Sir Irvine Patnick OBE for some years and can categorically say he was mis-quoted.
what was reported was unfair, inaccurate and wrong but once it is in the paper, what can you do?
you only have to look at how the newspapers destroy peoples reputation on a daily basis.
yes there are plenty of angry people till this day but it was nothing to do with Irvine in the slightest.
for all you rational people out there he is well and as sharp as ever considering he is past 80. I had lunch with him last week

If what you say is true here's an opportunity for irvine patnick's name to be cleared- sign the petition and find out exactly what he did say:

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/19350

Petition to force the Sun newspaper to release its Hillsborough "The Truth" sources and documents

Responsible department: Department for Culture, Media and Sport

Full disclosure by the Sun Newspaper to the Hillsborough independant panel of all it's records, including sources and documents relating to the 'The Truth' story published on 19/04/1989

Sir Irvine comes
the people cheer
we'll keep the blue flag
flying here.

That Patnicks here.the pigs all grunt
Best hide your bacon from that greedy.....(Tory)

i think patnicks used to have a buliding on derbyshire lane at meersbrook.my dad worked for him for a while

HI sneaks, Your user name urged me to recall a time around 1956/9 when an estate agent named wilson and burley whom i did repair work for offered me a house at Allnic rd, which had been refused a mortgage due to subsidence, l took the keys and went to look,l went back to Campo Lane and agreed a price with Mr Burley and gave him a deposit in good faith this was Friday night, on the next Wed; i went to have a further look and there was an old man lighting the fire when asked who he was said he worked for Ervine Patnick, when l looked into this he had contacted the owner after Burley told him it was sold and offered a bit more and the owner accepted it was a typical example of the sharp practice that breed of man is renowned for, Arfer Mo

HI sneaks, Your user name urged me to recall a time around 1956/9 when an estate agent named wilson and burley whom i did repair work for offered me a house at Allnic rd, which had been refused a mortgage due to subsidence, l took the keys and went to look,l went back to Campo Lane and agreed a price with Mr Burley and gave him a deposit in good faith this was Friday night, on the next Wed; i went to have a further look and there was an old man lighting the fire when asked who he was said he worked for Ervine Patnick, when l looked into this he had contacted the owner after Burley told him it was sold and offered a bit more and the owner accepted it was a typical example of the sharp practice that breed of man is renowned for, Arfer Mo
Hi Arfer , In the mid sixties one very bad winter me and a bricklayer called Ray Hartley along with our Hod carrier Graham Slinn [Slinny] were out of work and desperate.
We heard on the grapevine that a builder called Patnick needed a gang to finish the top lift and topping out on a pair of semi detached houses.
We had a look at the job and told him ninety Quid thinking keep the price down and get the job, he offered us twenty five take it or leave it, We left it,
Never forgot that just one of those memories of how they used to screw you down when they thought you were desperate.
Don,t know if the builder was related or even the same bloke but have never forgot his arrogance.

lets start a 'bring back sir irvine' campaign. It isn't too late for him to stand in this election in hallam.

Here is the chorus of his campaign song set to the tune of the red flag:

Sir irvinre comes,
the people cheer,
we'll keep the blue flag ,
flying here.

:clap:might be struggling here i think he"s dead

might be struggling here i think he"s deadNo, he ain't..:)

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=34536.0

might be struggling here i think he"s dead

Clegg's turned hallam from blue to yellow,
Even though he's not a nice fellow.
Cling to power by anyway you can,
Do you like this type of man.
Lib Dems colour, yellow, well know
Maybe it's due to their back bone.
We know he is a lovely follow _____.

Chap on RAWK wrote this letter to old Patnick in 2004 - no reply as yet...

Dear Sir

As you may well be aware, the Sun newspaper yesterday issued what it considered to be a full apology for the allegations it carried relating to the Hillsborough disaster on its front page 15 years ago. I am sure that you will need no reminding that their headline 'THE TRUTH' was in part based on quotes attributed to yourself in the aftermath of the event. In particular, in the initial article the Sun claimed the following "Sheffield MP Irvine Patnick revealed that in one shameful episode a gang of Liverpool fans noticed that the blouse of a girl trampled to death had risen above her breasts". Subsequently the then editor of the Sun, Mr Kelvin McKenzie, identified you as one of the prime sources for the story.

At the time of the Hillsborough disaster I was a constituent of yours. I was studying for my Final exams at the University of Sheffield in April 1989. Consequently, I did not this attend the match, although I had stood on that terrace watching my team on a previous occasion. I was and remain a fervent fan of the club. Instead, I sat watching in horror as the events unfolded on the television. I lived on Barber Road at this time, and the sound of sirens rushing between the football ground and the Royal Hallamshire hospital remains a powerful memory.

A great deal of pain and hurt was unleashed that day, which still reverberates many years on. Your comments were directly prejudicial to the perception and tone of the subsequent police, media and judicial investigations. I am particularly interested to know how you came to the conclusions reached in your comments to the Sun that day. Where you in the ground? Where you quoting other unnamed sources when you spoke to the media? What was your motivation in making these comments? Do you still stand by the comments that you made that day?

In searching for contact details for you on the internet, I discovered hateful and unpleasant comments made about yourself on message boards affiliated to far right groups. I found them to be utterly abhorrent and offensive; indeed I was really shocked to discover that this sort of prejudice, hatred and misinformation was allowed to flourish unchecked on the internet. I will happily pass on the details to yourself so that you can take any action that you deem necessary. Equally however, I hope that you can understand that a whole generation of football fans, and the citizens of the City of Liverpool and beyond found your comments that day utterly abhorrent and offensive. Perhaps, fifteen years on, you might like to reconsider your remarks about Liverpool fans, and consider the action you could take to rectify what I and many others consider to be a grave error of judgement.

Yours Sincerely

Michael A****

What is RAWK. please

What is RAWK. pleaseThe Red And White Kop (http://www.redandwhitekop.com/).