The current Lib Dem MP, Richard Allen, is retiring at this election, so who is going to replace him?

So far it seems that the candidates are (in alphabetical order)...

Nick Clegg - Lib Dem
Robert Cole - Green
Mahroof Hussain - Labour
Nigel James - UKIP
Spencer Pitfield - Conservative
Ian Senior - BNP

I have also had a leaflet through from the 'Christian Alliance' (?) who seem to be a far right religious version of the Tories, but don't appear on the candidate list.

I have a feeling that the Lib Dem's will get back in, but there seem to be so many right wing groups with side issues that the Conservative vote could well get very fragmented through minor issues.

I've also had leaflets from the Christian People's Alliance. The candidate is called Sidney Cordle. Should fragment the Conservative vote by about 2 votes. ;)

That's them! From memory didn't he stand for the Conservatives last time around?

Originally posted by Tony
That's them! From memory didn't he stand for the Conservatives last time around?

Yes, he was a Conservative candidate for the council election in 2004. Nothing like party loyalty.

Originally posted by t020
Yes, he was a Conservative candidate for the council election in 2004. And for quite a few years before that if I remember correctly

Originally posted by algy
And for quite a few years before that if I remember correctly

Most probably. He must have 'found God'. :D

Originally posted by t020
Most probably. He must have 'found God'. :D

Nah god came to him, in the form of a leaflet through his letterbox :D

just a small change of subject - me and my partner both registered for postal votes, yet I have had a ballot card through the post to vote at a polling station - that's fine, I don't mind voting that way. But my partner hasn't had a card - does that mean he can't vote? also, neither of us have had any more info about postal votes - when do we recieve the voting forms for that if at all?

Hey wont it be good for the people of Hallam to have the opportunity to vote for the BNP,Im sure Ian would be a good MP.
The BNP coming to every part of Sheffield soon.:thumbsup:

Originally posted by royjames

The BNP coming to every part of Sheffield soon.:thumbsup:

except Sheffield Brightside ;)

It’s very interesting (well maybe not that interesting) to look at the presence of the one issue protest parties in the general election. Last general election it was only UKIP but now already the BNP will be adding to the list of one issue protest parties in this constituency. Be interesting to see if more are added. I heard someone talking about Garry Bushels the English Democrats standing in Hallam.

It’s interesting that despite the Revolutionary Communist Party standing in 92 no ultra left parties contested the Lib Dems Hallam seat in 2001 whilst in Central, Labour were up against not only the Socialist Alliance but the Socialist Labour Party and the Workers Revolutionary Party.

Originally posted by royjames
Hey wont it be good for the people of Hallam to have the opportunity to vote for the BNP,Im sure Ian would be a good MP.


So have you given up on the fantasy that you were going to be able to make an exciting and exclusive announcement about this on Monday.

Incidentally it’s great the BNp website lets potential voters find out some in-depth information about your candidates, exciting info such as eeeer their name and where they are standing. If the rest of your campaign is as **** poor as the web site I think UAF can just sit back and let you mess things up for yourselves.

Mod. Note

Keep this on the Hallam Election, please. I don't want to find myself pruning another pro- and anti- BNP debate.

If it does go that way, the thread won't necessarily be closed - I'll just prune the arguments out and ban the posters.

Joe

Originally posted by HarrietStar
But my partner hasn't had a card - does that mean he can't vote?

You don't need a polling card to vote - just state your name and address. Yeah, wonderful security - in Hong Kong they ask to see my ID card.
also, neither of us have had any more info about postal votes - when do we recieve the voting forms for that if at all?
Postal ballots will be mailed in the days up to 27th April. Deadline for postal applications is 26th April. Phone 273-4093 to check if you have a postal vote. Download an application form at www.sheffield.gov.uk/your-city-council/elections/voting-by-post-or-proxy

Originally posted by Tony
That's them! From memory didn't he stand for the Conservatives last time around?

Sid Cordle was a Conservative councillor on Sheffield Council in the mid eighties, and then he disappeared. Don't know where though!

Originally posted by MrHelicopter
Sid Cordle was a Conservative councillor on Sheffield Council in the mid eighties, and then he disappeared. Don't know where though!

Trying to get back in again by the sound of it.

I think the liberals will probably hold onto Hallam as the right wing vote will be quite split now.
If the torys do manage to win back this seat then it will be a miracle.

Originally posted by MrHelicopter
Sid Cordle was a Conservative councillor on Sheffield Council in the mid eighties, and then he disappeared. Don't know where though!

He never went away, he's been hanging around has 'hissing Sid' :D

Originally posted by royjames
I think the liberals will probably hold onto Hallam as the right wing vote will be quite split now.



Don't you think that the voters of Hallam have enough savvy to realise that and so to unite behind the Conservative candidate?

Originally posted by Mo
Don't you think that the voters of Hallam have enough savvy to realise that and so to unite behind the Conservative candidate?

That is another posibility Mo ,we will have to see wont we?
Incidently I cant remember the year when the seat changed hands?anyone know when it was?

Originally posted by royjames
That is another posibility Mo ,we will have to see wont we?
Incidently I cant remember the year when the seat changed hands?anyone know when it was?

It was Tory since it was created right up until 1997 when it swung dramatically to Lib Dems.

I think local issues could play an important role in this election, as a resident in the Broomhill area I'm very concerned about the University's residence strategy. If you don't know about it basically they want to cram another 2000 students onto the site where sorby, earnshaw and halifax halls currently sit knocking down the old halls and building a series of awful new buildings that just don't fit in with the area at all. The decimation to the local environment will also be awful with lots of trees and open spaces lost. The noise from the extra student traffic will lead to a worsening in relations between residents and students.

Despite all of this the Lib Dem councillors in the area haven't done anything about it at all as far as I can see. Indeed Nick Clegg hasn't been active in opposing it at all. We seem to have seen alot less of the Lib Dems in Hallam this election- hardly any posters about or anyone leafleting. I get the impression maybe they think they'll win no matter what because of Richard Allan's big majority its about 11000 isn't it?

In contrast I got a leaflet through my door on friday from Spencer Pitfield, the Conservative guy who is actively opposing the scheme- demanding the university withdraw the planning application. I normally vote Lib Dem but I'm so frustrated with the Lib Dems failure to act on this one that I'm going to vote for Rob Cole the Green candidate this time I think or maybe even for Spencer Pitfield to stop this stupid student village idea!

Have you seen less of the Lib dems this time?

Originally posted by Daffodils05

Despite all of this the Lib Dem councillors in the area haven't done anything about it at all as far as I can see. Indeed Nick Clegg hasn't been active in opposing it at all. We seem to have seen alot less of the Lib Dems in Hallam this election- hardly any posters about or anyone leafleting. I get the impression maybe they think they'll win no matter what because of Richard Allan's big majority its about 11000 isn't it?

In contrast I got a leaflet through my door on friday from Spencer Pitfield, the Conservative guy who is actively opposing the scheme- demanding the university withdraw the planning application. I normally vote Lib Dem but I'm so frustrated with the Lib Dems failure to act on this one that I'm going to vote for Rob Cole the Green candidate this time I think or maybe even for Spencer Pitfield to stop this stupid student village idea!

Have you seen less of the Lib dems this time?

But planning is a local issue and you will be voting for an MP. He will have a voice on the matter but no direct influence on any decision being made. At the end of the day it will be the ruling Labour Party on Sheffield City Council who decides.

Originally posted by Mo
But planning is a local issue and you will be voting for an MP. He will have a voice on the matter but no direct influence on any decision being made. At the end of the day it will be the ruling Labour Party on Sheffield City Council who decides.

MPs are so respected that although they have no direct say if they were campigning for the university to drop it with BANG and REACT then the uni wouldn't have a choice really. I think Rob Cole and Spencer Pitfield are the only too saying anything about it so I'll vote for them I think. Lib dem Cllr. Janice Sidebottom wrote a letter in the telegraph on friday suggesting a whole campus should be built on the site!? that'd mean even more damage to the environment! Just seems to me the Lib dems are out of touch on this one. My neighbours feel the same from what I gather

I feel the election at Hallam will be the most interesting of the Sheffield areas,I think the proposal to build these extra accomodation could indeed cause a traffic increase which will be detrimental to the local residents.
With such a major decision as this in the pipeline I find it astonishing the local MP Richard Allen has not taken a more pro actice stance on this .
Rest assured the local BNP candidate will be looking at this closely,after all community politics are so important to democracy.

Hallam constituency results......

1992 Con HOLD. Maj. 6,741. Turnout 70.8%

24,693 45.5% Conservative
17,952 33.1% Lib-Dem
10,952 20.1% Labour
473 0.9% Green
101 0.2% Natural Law Party
99 0.2% Revolutionary Communist Party

Note that the Conservative held the seat with less than 50% of the vote. Now compare with what happened five years later .....

1997 Lib-Dem WIN. Maj. 8,271 Turnout 72.4%

23,345 51.3% Lib-Dem
15,074 33.1% Conservative
6,147 13.5% Labour
788 1.7% Referendum Party
125 0.3% Sheffield Independent Party

The Lib-Dems take the seat on a slightly increased turnout, but with over 50% of the vote. They gain approx 5,000 extra votes, which almost equates to the drop in the Labour vote. The percentage votes for the Conservative is 33.1% - exactly that cast for the Lib-Dem in 1992. The Conservative vote has simply collapsed, with about 9,500 fewer votes in 1997 than in 1992. Five years later, some very interesting things happen......

2001 Lib-Dem HOLD Maj. 9,347 Turnout 63.4%

21,203 55.4% Lib-Dem
11,856 31.9% Conservative
4,758 12.4% Labour
429 1.1% UKIP

The turnout is down 9%. The Labour vote is down by over 1,000 votes, but the Conservative vote is down by over 3,000 votes. The Lib-Dem vote is down by about 2,000 - but they hold the seat with an increased share of the vote (55.4%), and an increased majority.

So, to put that in perspective......
Sheffield Hallam constituency is No. 221 on the target seats for Labour. Not looking likely. However, it is No. 211 on the target seats for the Conservatives to win. Equally, this is hardly looking likely.

However, some local issues may play a part in a Tory revival (see earlier posts about planned student accommodation in Broomhill), and the Conservatives won a council seat in Dore & Totley ward last June (and narrowly missed winning a third seat). Fringe parties may take votes away from the major parties. However, the Greens, who are more likely to take votes off the Lib-Dems & Labour, have not contested the seat since 1992. UKIP, who are more likely to take votes off the Conservatives, polled under 500 votes in 2001.

Prediction: Lib-Dem HOLD. Conservative 2nd. place. Labour 3rd. Place. The rest - well they can fight it out between themselves for who comes next onwards right down to last place - but they all look likely to lose their deposits.

sums up how frustrating democracy in this country is! Its probably why there aren't any Lib Dems campaigning in Hallam this time they can take it for granted they'll win with such a big majority. I won't be taken for granted though still think I'll vote for Spencer Pitfield or Rob Cole,

Originally posted by redrobbo


1997 Lib-Dem WIN. Maj. 8,271 Turnout 72.4%

23,345 51.3% Lib-Dem
15,074 33.1% Conservative
6,147 13.5% Labour
788 1.7% Referendum Party
125 0.3% Sheffield Independent Party

The Lib-Dems take the seat on a slightly increased turnout, but with over 50% of the vote. They gain approx 5,000 extra votes, which almost equates to the drop in the Labour vote. The percentage votes for the Conservative is 33.1% - exactly that cast for the Lib-Dem in 1992. The Conservative vote has simply collapsed, with about 9,500 fewer votes in 1997 than in 1992.

I seem to recall a Lib-Dem campaign to Labour voters along the lines of 'Labour will never win round here so vote Lib Dem to get rid of the tories'!

Not really seen any parties campaigning round here - all I've noticed is the Liberal democrates traditional pre-election appearance in the press slagging the railways off with various vague unproven claims and no proposals on what they would do about it if elected.

I thought Stannington was going to be in Hallam now, but it seems that we are still in Hillsborough. Why is this?

Got some drivel from the Greens through the post at the weekend.

It's green alright: it's gone straight in the recycle paper bin, which is where any such garbage from Labour and the Lib Dems will go should it trespass through my letter-box.

Originally posted by Ousetunes

It's green alright: it's gone straight in the recycle paper bin, .


No need to vote for them, they've got to you already.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
I thought Stannington was going to be in Hallam now, but it seems that we are still in Hillsborough. Why is this?

Simple.

They didn't want the likes of you and Rich lowering the tone of the place.

:D

Originally posted by Ousetunes
Got some drivel from the Greens through the post at the weekend.

It's green alright: it's gone straight in the recycle paper bin, which is where any such garbage from Labour and the Lib Dems will go should it trespass through my letter-box.

That's very open-minded of you.

Personally I read everything that they post through the door, then I make my mind-up, I find blinkers and pre-conceptions only reduce your view of the world.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
I thought Stannington was going to be in Hallam now, but it seems that we are still in Hillsborough. Why is this?

'Cos the election has happened *before* the boundary review has reported. The review is likely to finally report next Spring, with the new boundaries in place for the next General Election, presuming no General Election before Autumn 2006.

Almost everybody who commented on the proposals said that Stannington shouldn't be in Hallam. See www.mdfs.net/User/JGH/Docs/Politics/ParlReview for notes on the review and the local enquiry.

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JGH

Originally posted by Abdul
Simple.

They didn't want the likes of you and Rich lowering the tone of the place.

:D

I suppose you'll be voting for wee Georgie Galloway and his Respect Saddam party.:hihi:

Originally posted by slimsid2000
I suppose you'll be voting for wee Georgie Galloway and his Respect Saddam party.:hihi:

Dear, dear slimsid

You continue to mistake George Galloway for Donald Rumsfeld (http://www.allhatnocattle.net/Rumsfeld-hussein.jpg).

As for me, in the absence of a Republican candidate, I think I'll vote BNP to satisfy my irrational bloodlust :hihi:

Originally posted by jgharston
'Cos the election has happened *before* the boundary review has reported. The review is likely to finally report next Spring, with the new boundaries in place for the next General Election, presuming no General Election before Autumn 2006.

Almost everybody who commented on the proposals said that Stannington shouldn't be in Hallam. See www.mdfs.net/User/JGH/Docs/Politics/ParlReview for notes on the review and the local enquiry.

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JGH

Is it the same for Normanton Springs which was taken out of the old Handsworth ward (now Woodhouse Ward) and moved into Richmond. In local elections the area is in Richmond ie Heeley Constiuency but in the General Election it is still in Attercliffe? So it has a set of councillors from one constituency and an MP from another :loopy:

Mod:

If you have questions about another constituency, please create another thread. This one is about Hallam only.

I've had plenty of stuff from the Lib dems & Greens, but nothing from Labour or the Conservatives. The Christian People's Alliance stuff was rather scary though! I don't think they will be on my shortlist!

Hey dont worry you will soon be getting the real patriotic partys leaflett the BNP through your letterbox.

Originally posted by royjames
Hey dont worry you will soon be getting the real patriotic partys leaflett the BNP through your letterbox.

and if you don't listen, you might get liquid poo through your letterbox!!

Originally posted by redrobbo
Hallam constituency results......

1992 Con HOLD. Maj. 6,741. Turnout 70.8%

24,693 45.5% Conservative
17,952 33.1% Lib-Dem
10,952 20.1% Labour
473 0.9% Green
101 0.2% Natural Law Party
99 0.2% Revolutionary Communist Party



Whoah - someone else voted Revolutionary Communist in 92!
Respect comrades!

I somehow don't think that Halam is a natural constituency for the Revolutionary Communist Party.:hihi:

Originally posted by slimsid2000
I somehow don't think that Halam is a natural constituency for the Revolutionary Communist Party.:hihi:

99.8% of voters agree with you.

Originally posted by Mo
Is it the same for Normanton Springs which was taken out of the old Handsworth ward
See thread on boundary review (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&postid=376679#post376679).