When i was a kid (and its not that long ago!!) the post man arrived at 7am prompt and the milk man at 6am .5am in summer!! i know its cheaper to buy milk nowadays in the supermarkets...but whats happened to the post?? i see a different post man every day wandering aimlessly up and down my road.one last week even said check ya letter box ive put wrong post in....in persuit of him was my next door neighbour cos hed got my post the postman had delivered there!! and i had also got someone elses post 3 doors away and 1 from a different street entirely!!!! we used to have the same postman for years...and years.......were lucky if we see the same one twice ever now! the post man has just delivered here and its 11.30am!! this time years ago woulda been the second delivery of the day! whats happened??? :confused:

we dont usually get our post till about 1pm! and one day not so long ago it came through the letter box at 7pm!!!!!

Have you notice the number of postman who no longer wear a uniform?

uniform? im struggling to see a post man at all let alone one in uniform! lol

Originally posted by serapis
Have you notice the number of postman who no longer wear a uniform?

ours wears t-shirt and shorts and trainers all year round! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by x_LoUiSe_x
ours wears t-shirt and shorts and trainers all year round! :rolleyes:
ours does that- bet he is freezing!!



A postie is a top job actually- good hours and great pay!!!

My milkman often does not come until about 10:30 am and I am always up before he comes (except when he delivers at midnight the day before!)

You still have a milkman/woman!

I thought they disappeared years ago! We dont have em here! :(

postman came bang on 1pm! brought the proofs for my wedding invitations though :D

Generally speaking the milk you will get from the milkman will be different from that you get from the supermarket in one main respect. Most supermarket milk is homogenized. Many people may not even notice when the milk started to be sold as homogonised. There is little real evidence that homogonized milk is dangerous but, then again, there is also no good reason for processing it in this way either. But there is certainly enough anecdotal evidence about this process to make it worth avoiding. The best way to avoid it is to get a milkman.

In case you don't understand what this process is, then it is simply a way of stopping the cream being at the top of the milk as it seperates. Presumably millions of people have been ringing up their milk suppliers asking them to get rid of the unsightly cream! This is done by forcing the milk under pressure through tiny holes. The net result is that the fat molecules are much smaller. Heart disease was virtually unknown in the US despite them drinking a lot of milk until they introduced homoginization in the 30's and 40's when it suddenly became the main cause of death. The countries that drink the most homoginized milk have the highest rate of heart disease. I fail to see any reason why they process milk in this way, so even a hint of a problem with the process should be enough of a reason to avoid it like the plague.

Originally posted by KenH
This is done by forcing the milk under pressure through tiny holes. The net result is that the fat molecules are much smaller.

That doesn't sound very chemically possible to me... the fat particles might be smaller but I don't think the fat molecules will be.

I live in netheredge, and my post lady is always quite good, between 9and 10ish normally.

However when she has time off, which i believe she did today, the mail normally comes at about 11ish, yes i can understand that it takes someone who isnt familiar with the route that little bit longer.

So why did it not arrive until 1.30pm today! I have never had post that late in my life, i couldnt believe it.

When i was at secondary school about eight years ago, i used to get the mail before i left for school at 8.15! Always pleased me because then i got to take any exciting mail that i got into school that day.

(this was not very exciting really, if i remember the most regular thing was the spice girls fan club magazine that i subscribed to!)

From the Royal Mail website (http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/jump3?catId=400144&mediaId=15400358).

We recently changed our delivery service to a once a day delivery. Although this means your mail may arrive slightly later than it used to, it should arrive at around the same time each day.

Just a few weeks ago I happened to see our postman (don't know if he's the regular one or not) leave his mail bag on the pavement whilst he delivered to five different houses. He then went back to collect his bag, crossed the road, and repeated this process again - but did SEVEN houses this time - before wandering off up the road. The bag must have been out of his sight for three or four minutes at a time.:(

Originally posted by cgksheff
From the Royal Mail website (http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/jump3?catId=400144&mediaId=15400358).

We recently changed our delivery service to a once a day delivery. Although this means your mail may arrive slightly later than it used to, it should arrive at around the same time each day.

Yes I remember when it was twice a day delivery, but with E mails and Fax machines there's not much use for that now.

In Connecticut we have very hot summers and bitter cold winters, a group of Post Office employees had a bet as to how long one of them could work the route staying in shorts through the winter months, the winner got a case of beer.

Good to see you back, Poppins!:)

Hope all is OK.

Watch out, New Mods about!:D

Originally posted by cgksheff
Good to see you back, Poppins!:)

Hope all is OK.

Watch out, New Mods about!:D

Thanks Sheff
Not worried about the new mods, it's Lestat I'm scared of, he's only aloud me 10 post before i can go back to being my normal self again.

Originally posted by metalman
That doesn't sound very chemically possible to me... the fat particles might be smaller but I don't think the fat molecules will be.

Sorry, mistyped that bit. I meant globules. This is an area worth looking at because we all say "supermarket milk is cheaper" but actually we aren't getting the same thing. I always think that processing food is a bad thing but it is especially bad when I can't see what it actually achieves as in this case. There is some evidence that this stuff is bad for you and it is pointless process yet most supermarkets sell nothing else.

Originally posted by KenH

The net result is that the fat molecules are much smaller. Heart disease was virtually unknown in the US despite them drinking a lot of milk until they introduced homoginization in the 30's and 40's when it suddenly became the main cause of death. The countries that drink the most homoginized milk have the highest rate of heart disease. I fail to see any reason why they process milk in this way, so even a hint of a problem with the process should be enough of a reason to avoid it like the plague...


Ok, the smaller molecules typo aside, there are a few holes in the line of argument.

First of all is the clear flaw in correlational data. Homogenised milk is introduced and heart disease becomes a problem. The story my old science teacher used to tell was that of ice cream sales and death by drowning. Both are proportional to one another (i.e. as the sales of ice cream rise, so do the number of deaths) but one definitely does not cause the other.

Looking at this from a cultural perspective, as countries introduce homogenised milk, they probably also introduce other such westernisms like fast food, less exercise and so on which are probably more likely to be the culprits.

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... I always think that processing food is a bad thing but it is especially bad when I can't see what it actually achieves as in this case. There is some evidence that this stuff is bad for you and it is pointless process yet most supermarkets sell nothing else. [/QUOTE

I agree that supermarkets have a lot to answer for, but the science behind the process isn't necessarily to blame.

What you're arguing is that is that large fat globules are not able to permeate and go directly into the blood (like small molecules such as alcohol) but homoginised ones can, hence build up round your heart which causes heart disease. But when you drink non-homogenisedl milk there are a mixture of small to large so by that rationale you'd expect people who drink a lot of milk to suffer heart disease regardless, and there is definitely no evidence to show this. On the contrary, those who consume dairy product with large lipids such as butter and cream in large quantities are generally found to be those who have diseased hearts.

In short, whilst the messing with good, organic food in the name of profit maximising is surely a bad thing, homogenisation, as a process, does not necessarily cause milk to be dangerous.

BLIMEY! there are some clever folk on here. i only asked mainly to see why the postie is getting later????:D

Originally posted by nitelife40
BLIMEY! there are some clever folk on here. i only asked mainly to see why the postie is getting later????:D

Homogenised milk slowing him down by the looks of it!:(

Originally posted by nitelife40
BLIMEY! there are some clever folk on here. i only asked mainly to see why the postie is getting later????:D #

Sadly, I can't take the credit for this... It looked like bad science and so I asked my friend who's a microbiologist... Most of what I posted there is cut and stuck from our MSN conversation.

*Looks meek*

Brothers a Milkie, Although he doesn't deliver to the supermarkets he does deliver to the mini markest (Spar type shops) and its the same stuff he delivers.


As for the posties, at work we have started to collect our post from the sorting office as the postie doesn't deliver until about 12 noon.

Originally posted by ADC_28
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I agree that supermarkets have a lot to answer for, but the science behind the process isn't necessarily to blame.


well my local supermarket sells plenty of skimmed milk. So I cant see how you can balme them since there is a clear choice and they arent putting adverts everywhere saying drink full cream milk.

Originally posted by nightrider
well my local supermarket sells plenty of skimmed milk. So I cant see how you can balme them since there is a clear choice and they arent putting adverts everywhere saying drink full cream milk.

I'm not sure I follow what you're trying to say.

All milk is homogenised, as far as I know. Can someone confirm that?

In terms of what supermarkets have to answer for I was more referring more to the supermarkets' policy of cutting down on quality consistently over a number of years and then selling you products of the original higher quality as 'finest' or whatever and subsequently charging you a premium.

Originally posted by ADC_28
I'm not sure I follow what you're trying to say.

All milk is homogenised, as far as I know. Can someone confirm that?



Skimmed milk doesn't need to be. Semi-skimmed and full fat milk is usually homogenised. The process was introduced to leave the fat solids evenly suspended in the milk, rather than allowing them to rise to the top.

Perhaps you're thinking of pastuerised ? All milk has to be either pasteurised or sterilised.

It's a funny old world; when I worked in a dairy many years ago, skiimmed milk, which is what's left after the creamery had finished with it, we had to pay pig farmers to take it away. Now supermarkets sell it for a fat profit....fat free milk :rolleyes:

Technically speaking all supermarket milk has been skimmed these days.
The phrase that they use is "standardised" and they reduce "whole" milk (blue top) to 3.5% from the 4% it had (on average) when it left the cow!

I am a postie. And basically the reason for late post is not just single daily delivery. But due to staff cuts and the ever increasing volumes of mail. If your not happy with the service you receive then please complain, it will force royal mail to make some changes. So complain complain!!!!!!!

Originally posted by scottf
ours does that- bet he is freezing!!



A postie is a top job actually- good hours and great pay!!!

It was a good job up until March last year when they brought the single daily delivery in - it turned into a crap job overnight and so I walked out :)

Originally posted by cgksheff
Technically speaking all supermarket milk has been skimmed these days.
The phrase that they use is "standardised" and they reduce "whole" milk (blue top) to 3.5% from the 4% it had (on average) when it left the cow!

So the robbing balustrades are pinching 12.5% of the cream from milk labelled as 'whole milk' and selling us that as single cream ?

Nothing surprises me about supermarkets anymore. :mad:

to be honest it is the same here some days it has gone 4 or 5 pm before we have post on a few occasions i have known it come a 7 pm. there excuses are that there are less post people and they have bigger rounds and also one daily delivery instead of 2. this is ok but if you are waiting for something important it is no good at 5 pm.

this is zenmasters partner posting

Its no good complaining on the forumn- the royal mail are cutting staff, making rounds bigger and bullying people into working overtime.

- how would you like it if in your job you had to ask permission just in order to leave on time - every single day?

Zen leaves work at half five in the morning and ius not getting home until half four? (and one time diddnt finish until half six)


Bullying managers, constant cuts and with "free-market-competion" comming in december the post service is only going to get worse


I just hope that zen can find a new job soon.

nothing will change unless people complain in writing and complain often.