View Full Version : Brian Laws: In or Out


Pegasus
23-06-2008, 07:33
I read this on another forum; it appears that Kevin Pressman is raising some issues relating to Brian Laws's ability to manage a large budget and also sign players when the takeover happens:

My view is that Brian should be given a chance however, Kevin raises some important questions:

http://www.rivals.net/news/pgarticle.aspx?artid=13594_3725200&id=72

Quote: "A new board will mean a new change and a new start. And they might think that they'll need a new management team to lead Wednesday into Premiership. Is it worth keeping Brian on? Would you trust him with a decent transfer budget?"

StannD
23-06-2008, 08:49
Out.

Nice bloke but out of his depth.

al_partridge
23-06-2008, 10:16
Worth pointing out that this isn't actually "the" Kevin Pressman sticking his oar in, just a poster on that board with that username! I'm not really Alan Partridge either.

I'd say Laws Out. Ditto what StannD said, nice bloke but out of his depth here. I wouldn't trust him to spend a lot of money wisely - he had some decent cash by SWFC standards last year with which he could have signed a few half decent players to bolster the squad but decided to spend the whole lot and a massive slice of the wage budget on the proven crock Francis Jeffers.

Pegasus
23-06-2008, 10:32
Worth pointing out that this isn't actually "the" Kevin Pressman sticking his oar in, just a poster on that board with that username! I'm not really Alan Partridge either.

I'd say Laws Out. Ditto what StannD said, nice bloke but out of his depth here. I wouldn't trust him to spend a lot of money wisely - he had some decent cash by SWFC standards last year with which he could have signed a few half decent players to bolster the squad but decided to spend the whole lot and a massive slice of the wage budget on the proven crock Francis Jeffers.


I read it as Kevin Pressman posting as Sam Thompson but its the other way around...anyway he has some valid points.

How's Radio Norwich?

al_partridge
23-06-2008, 10:34
Lovely stuff. Not my words, the words of Shaking Stevens.

Bull Dog
23-06-2008, 15:39
Sorry but if the takeover happens then Laws out
Has done bloody well with what he has had player wise but i wouldnt trust him with a big budget,i just dont think he has the experience or proper contacts to get the kind of players we need

igm1
23-06-2008, 15:49
Sorry but if the takeover happens then Laws out
Has done bloody well with what he has had player wise but i wouldnt trust him with a big budget,i just dont think he has the experience or proper contacts to get the kind of players we need

I agree with you, but I'd still give him to January at least to see what if could do with some money if the takeover goes through.

I think he deserves at least that much after keeping us up.

NERVY-OWL
23-06-2008, 16:39
the decent thing would be to give him a chance, keeping us up with what we had, was pretty good. however, i dont think i would trust him with a big budget, after signing jeffers it doesn't give me much confidence

bladesman 91
24-06-2008, 20:34
Out If My Source Is To Be Believed

mogbad
24-06-2008, 21:08
the decent thing would be to give him a chance, keeping us up with what we had, was pretty good. however, i dont think i would trust him with a big budget, after signing jeffers it doesn't give me much confidence

Totally agree, but if there is any truth in todays rumour that he's about to sign Geoff Horsfield from the pigs then he should be frog marched out of Hillsborough with immediate effect.

CorkerSWFC
24-06-2008, 22:12
Get Nigel Pearson at Hillsborough, if we eventually get took over.

Pegasus
25-06-2008, 09:48
I would go for big Nigel.

However, I think that Brian should be given a chance as he did a remarkable job with what he had financially:

Adam Bolder joined late January early February from QPR good player scored twice at the lane.

Ben Sahar joined from Chelsea struggled but shows occasional signs of brilliance.

Bartosz Slusarski joined from West Bromwich Albion disappointing.

Franck Songo'o loan from Portsmouth good signing made an instant impect.

Akpo Sodje joined from Port Vale supprisingly I think Brians best signing with a high work rate and loads of commitment.

Enoch Showunmi joined from Bristol City in January started 6 times and as a substitute made 4 appearances .

mickdalewood
25-06-2008, 10:50
I would like to give him a go but, as some poeple have said you have to question some of his signings, Clarke, Nowork, JJ, Ejasies (if thats spelt right) Enoch Showunmi, have been quite poor to average. So what would he do with alot of cash!

Michael_W
25-06-2008, 10:54
Personally I think Laws has to be given a chance, he has struggled with injuries, lack of funds(selling players) and the calamity around him that is the board at Wednesday. Assuming a takeover goes through he will not necessarily get a big budget but more a competative one, to give us a chance in the Championship scramble.
BTW Nigel Pearson was appointed manager of Leicester City last week !

brooksy
25-06-2008, 20:18
Out.

Nice bloke but out of his depth.Where is he out of his depth.Your ****ing joking at moment .:suspect::suspect:

Pegasus
26-06-2008, 13:59
I wouldn't say Brian is out of his depth if you compare stats:

Brian Laws Games 74, Won 29, Lost 29, Drawn16, Success 39.19%


Ron Atkinson Games 118, W49, L34, D35, S41.52%

Trevor Francis Games 214, W88, L58, D68, S41.12%

David Pleat Games 102, W32, L40, D30, S31.37%

Ron Atkinson (2nd time) Games 27, W9, L11, D7, S33.33%

Danny Wilson Games 80, W23, L40, D17, S28.75%

Paul Jewell Games 38, W12, L21, D5, S31.57%

Peter Shreeves Games 31, W11, L11, D9, S35.48%

Terry Yorath Games 56, W16, L25, D15, S28.57%

Chris Turner Games 96, W29, L36, D31, S30.20%

Paul Sturrock Games 104, W35, L40, D29, S33.65%


You have to go right back to the days of Big Ron and Trevor Francis to get a better success rate.

Heyesey
26-06-2008, 14:41
Would he be out of his depth if a new consortium came in with some serious money to spend?


Well, he's never had a chance to spend serious money, so he has no experience of it. That doesn't prove he'd fail, though. Every manager in the world who's ever managed a big club with lots of money, has, at some point, been appointed to a big club with lots of money while having no experience of managing one.

I certainly don't see any sense in disposing of one manager unproven at the top level (Laws) to replace him with another unproven at ANY level, like Shearer. At least Laws has proved he's a competent manager in the lower divisions, which surely means there's some chance of him also being a competent manager in higher ones?

igm1
26-06-2008, 18:21
I would go for big Nigel.

However, I think that Brian should be given a chance as he did a remarkable job with what he had financially:

Adam Bolder joined late January early February from QPR good player scored twice at the lane. Were you watching Bolder? He never really showed anything- would always get booked and then be none existant for the rest of the game

Ben Sahar joined from Chelsea struggled but shows occasional signs of brilliance.Agreed

Bartosz Slusarski joined from West Bromwich Albion disappointing.At first yes, but towards the end of the season he started to show a bit of what he could do. I wouldn't be disappointed if signed next season

Franck Songo'o loan from Portsmouth good signing made an instant impect.Only saw him at home games, from what I've heard at away games he didn't even try- except for the Derby game. Only really played when he wanted to.

Akpo Sodje joined from Port Vale supprisingly I think Brians best signing with a high work rate and loads of commitment.Without a doubt!

Enoch Showunmi joined from Bristol City in January started 6 times and as a substitute made 4 appearances if he ever pulls on a Wednesday shirt again I might actually cry .

My opinions above.

Pegasus
27-06-2008, 07:38
My opinions above.


I think that the bigest problem with signing players on loan is that they are never fully commited unless the club they are on loan to are genuinely interested in signing them.

These players in the first instance don't want to get injured because no one will sign them and it will reduce their possibility of getting back in their parent club's side. An injury would be a massive blow to a loan player whos future is uncertain. Clauses in their loan contract may also include penalties for being sent off etc.

It seems that a large proportion of the first team squad are made up of loan players, if I was one of them I would be thinking; ayup I could work my b*****ks off getting this club into the playoffs or promotion and at the end of the day what would be in it for me? (back to my old club and on loan at another club)

So I believe that the majority of players on loan will never show or be 100% commited as their future is uncertain this leads to the inconsistency so evident in many of the players signed on loan by Brian last season.

A settled squad of players is so very important and has a massive impact on results.

Earwiggo
29-06-2008, 13:22
I would like to give him a go but, as some poeple have said you have to question some of his signings, Clarke, Nowork, JJ, Ejasies (if thats spelt right) Enoch Showunmi, have been quite poor to average. So what would he do with alot of cash!

I've quoted Mick for no particular reason, other than it gives a few names to work round. Brian has had to go to libraries to get some players. He's popped in to Netto for one or two more. In Netto, he found a £4m player at £700k and took a chance. IF Jeffers can get (and keep himself) fit, then we KNOW what this kid CAN do. Like all Wednesday fans, I really hope Franny does get fit and DOES perform like we've seen him play on the telly before. I have to admit though, that on this point, I'm not at all confident. I don't think that the injuries sustained by some of Brian's other signings have helped the cause at all. We've also not seen enough of a large proportion of them to make any informed judgement. JJ showed moments (maybe seconds) of being potentially, a 'great' player.
I reckon Esajas has great potential as well, but again, we've not seen that much of him.
I'm no psychiatrist, I don't know what make some players play 'when they want to' (George Best was one of these, so was Tony Currie).
Ronaldo at Man U only 'plays when he wants'.
The great Sir Alex Ferguson signed goalkeepers galore to try to replace Peter Smichel and to this day, even he hasn't managed it. All managers make poor signings.
I think overall, given his shopping money, and the outlets available, that Brian has done a sound job, and I would give him at least 2 years with some proper money to work with. Like a previous poster said, rather an experienced, albeit lower league experienced, manager than a totally untried manager. Equally, would any new manager we brought in be competent at spending 'big money'?
I say keep Brian 'til at least 2011. Give the man a chance with the dosh (IF WE GET ANY !!!!!!! )

alex3659
30-10-2009, 10:06
I read this on another forum; it appears that Kevin Pressman is raising some issues relating to Brian Laws's ability to manage a large budget and also sign players when the takeover happens:

My view is that Brian should be given a chance however, Kevin raises some important questions:

http://www.rivals.net/news/pgarticle.aspx?artid=13594_3725200&id=72

Quote: "A new board will mean a new change and a new start. And they might think that they'll need a new management team to lead Wednesday into Premiership. Is it worth keeping Brian on? Would you trust him with a decent transfer budget?"


Well he's still there, Stayed the course which can't be said of some of the others.

rob_stu
30-10-2009, 10:28
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=520650

the majority on here think in! I don't see any point in sacking him, we won't be any better off!! In fact if anything I think it would be a step back.
Wednesday need stability and have been to quick to get rid of managers in the past. Yes were going through a bit of a bad patch and haven't had a very good run of results and a couple of other incidents haven't helped (wood, jeffers, etc) but getting rid of Brian Laws would be a big mistake!

alex3659
30-10-2009, 10:32
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=520650

the majority on here think in! I don't see any point in sacking him, we won't be any better off!! In fact if anything I think it would be a step back.
Wednesday need stability and have been to quick to get rid of managers in the past. Yes were going through a bit of a bad patch and haven't had a very good run of results and a couple of other incidents haven't helped (wood, jeffers, etc) but getting rid of Brian Laws would be a big mistake!

Even as a Blade I agree with you, laws is an assett to your club.

sheff71
31-10-2009, 11:54
They could do better though - former owls legend Nigel Pearson currently has Leicester in 2nd place, so it can be done... would any owls see Pearson as the successor to Laws if/when he leaves/is sacked at S6?

hurstyowl
31-10-2009, 12:15
They could do better though - former owls legend Nigel Pearson currently has Leicester in 2nd place, so it can be done... would any owls see Pearson as the successor to Laws if/when he leaves/is sacked at S6?

i would have him, thing is, hes at leicester where he has a very good side that has been used to winning as they dominated league 1, plus they have money to spend so would he come to us, i doubt it tbh.

rob_stu
31-10-2009, 12:18
we've gone down that route with former players before and it always backfires. I honestly dont think it would matter who have as manager as they would only have the same resourses to work with.
we'd aso have the issue of having to pay laws compensation and then pay leicester compo for pearson for example

CorkerSWFC
31-10-2009, 12:27
After seeing Leicester twice this week on the box, i can guarentee they will be there or there about's for sure.
They have got a serious chance of automatic so no way would Pearson leave them.
Fryatt and Waghorn look a top partnership, Howard can't get a game, hint hint Brian lol.

rob_stu
31-10-2009, 12:41
After seeing Leicester twice this week on the box, i can guarentee they will be there or there about's for sure.
They have got a serious chance of automatic so no way would Pearson leave them.
Fryatt and Waghorn look a top partnership, Howard can't get a game, hint hint Brian lol.

we couldn't afford john pearson!!

CorkerSWFC
31-10-2009, 12:58
we couldn't afford john pearson!!

Hahaha he makes me laugh told John Pearson , he goes barmy when Wednesday even go remotely close to scoring :hihi:

Grandad.Malky
31-10-2009, 17:49
As long as you are safe I think it’s a case of “if it isn’t broken don’t fix it.”