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aechurch 13-06-2008, 05:37 PM Hi,
Does anyone know how i go about finding a Male boxer to breed with my Female Tan boxer,
Any info welcome
Thanks
pinklady 13-06-2008, 05:55 PM try the evening star or the ad mag under the pet section, they often advertise dogs for stud there, also you could contact the kennel club and ask their advice,
kenthack 13-06-2008, 07:07 PM ask in pet section
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=78
magsie 14-06-2008, 07:31 PM at the dog pound!
Strix 14-06-2008, 07:35 PM have you bred before?
are you prepared for the possibility of losing your own dog during the birth?
are there any covenants on your dog preventing you from breeding without permission from the breeder of your dog?
DiamondGirl 14-06-2008, 11:31 PM I would stay well clear of people that advertise their dogs for breeding in local papers! People who breed properly would never do this. I would contact the kennel club and ask the people where you got your dog from if they can offer advice.
Rainrescue 15-06-2008, 12:49 AM If you are thinking of breeding your bitch - you should already be going to different dog shows and finding suitable males for your female.
Obviously - temprament and physical ability should be paramount in your search for a suitable sire for your puppies.
Boxers have many mental problem which end up with the puppies dumped in about 1 yrs time. Well bred puppies - dont get dumped
so research well - ensure your bitch is physically and mentally suitable to be passing on her qualitites - and get looking yourself -
that way you are earning the money that your puppies will ultimately bring you - that is assuming you don't loose your bitch in pregnancy and birth, or cost a fortune with the delivery
rather u than me
dogs4life 15-06-2008, 01:38 AM If you are thinking of breeding your bitch - you should already be going to different dog shows and finding suitable males for your female.
Obviously - temprament and physical ability should be paramount in your search for a suitable sire for your puppies.
Boxers have many mental problem which end up with the puppies dumped in about 1 yrs time. Well bred puppies - dont get dumped
so research well - ensure your bitch is physically and mentally suitable to be passing on her qualitites - and get looking yourself -
that way you are earning the money that your puppies will ultimately bring you - that is assuming you don't loose your bitch in pregnancy and birth, or cost a fortune with the delivery
rather u than me
agree entirely with the above post - be a responsible loving owner - treat your dog with love and respect and give her the best thing possible - an appointment at the vet to have her speyed.
Lotti 15-06-2008, 08:45 AM Firstly, as mentioned above - get in touch with your bitch's breeder. Ensure that they have not put any endorsements on her (some say you cannot breed and KC register the pups without them lifting the endorsement).
Then ask the breeder what lines would suit your bitch - if they're happy for you to breed from her, they should be very happy to give info as to which male - after all, their name will be in the 5 gen pedigree of the pups and they want to keep their reputation!
Get yourself to some dog shows to see different dogs, ensure you meet the males your interested in to check you like their personalities.
You'll need a waiting list of homes if you don't have one already and a good way of getting people interested in your bitch is to show her so that people see her and may enquire as to whether you breed from her.
You can also get a webpage up and linked to the KC website where you can state that a mating is planned between your dog and whichever stud you decide on - that way people can contact you if interested.
Your bitch will need health tests if she hasn't already been tested. I don't know all the tests required for boxers although I'm pretty certain hip scoring is one of them - you can ask your breeder what is required and how to go about getting them done.
Only once the health tests come back fine should you consider actually doing the mating.
Ensure your bitch is wormed and defleaed upto date and of course vaccinated. Remember that some bitches won't like it and you'll either end up losing the stud fee if she disagrees about the mating OR you'll have to hold her against her will while the stud does his bit.
She may not take the first time, in which case some stud dog owners allow you to try again free of charge.
You should have your bitch on a higher energy food (many brands have food specifically for pregnant/nursing bitches) to ensure she can get enough nutrients to her pups and herself whilst pregnant and feeding.
Speak to your vet about worming and flea treatment during the pregnancy as some aren't suitable for pregnant bitches but she will need to be done - it's very important to ensure babies are healthy.
Things to be aware of is that losing a bitch during whelp can and does happen, losing pups is even more common. And it's distressing for not only you but also for the mother.
Also be prepared to take back any pups that the owners can no longer keep - this is even more of an issue with dogs like boxers with high energy levels because new owners aren't prepared for it at all and you can end up with puppies coming back and you'll have to then find another home for them.
You should have this in a contract to ensure owners who can't keep the pups don't just dump them but actually bring them back to you.
Also - it's important to socialise them from an early age, a lot of the home life socialising will be done purely by them living in the house (hearing the tv, the hoover etc etc) but you should try and get plenty of visitors in to see them and get them used to things like people in hats, with beards, with umbrellas etc etc.
You will also need to be on hand to provide advice to the new owners for the entirety of the pup's life.
Depending on how many pups she throws, and ensuring you do everything correctly - there's not actually much profit to be made after you've paid out for everything but anything you do make from the pups will have to be declared aswell - it's still taxable.
Good luck - it really isn't an easy job breeding and raising puppies especially when you have 10 of the 8week old little blighters running around the house defecating, destroying and getting under your feet!
vikki 15-06-2008, 09:21 AM champ dogs is a site where thee are lots of breeders for many breeds http://www.champdogs.co.uk/ please rember to be responsible there are too many dogs in pounds.
magsie 15-06-2008, 08:55 PM 8000 healthy dogs, mostly pedigrees, were put down year before last and the numbers are rising. Dog lovers should be rehoming dogs which would otherwise be put to sleep, not encouraging people to breed even more. Look at rainrescue website and if that doesn't persuade you, nothing will. Or is the cash too tempting?
katkin 16-06-2008, 10:26 AM I'd seriously reconsider- if you're having to ask where and how to find a stud in the first place- there are plenty of serious breeders out there who are doing it to improve the breed already - leave it to the people who know what they're doing
the peggsta 16-06-2008, 08:04 PM I don't mean to be rude but aechurch asked a specific question and imo has had strips torn off her/him. I am a boxer owner and a few years ago was advised by a vet to let her have a litter before having her spayed. It was only because I couldn't find a suitable stud that she never had a litter. They said the reason was to stop her being broody.
This thread reminds me of the numpties that say women should be "spayed" when they have had x amount of children. WTF does it have to do with anyone else whether someone elses dogs had a litter or not. I mean you don't know the OP from adam and they could be the most responsible owner in the world ie finding appropriate homes for their pups.
I know that most of you have seen a lot of unwanted animals but that still doesn't mean that you should put a person off breeding their bitch if thats what they want to do.
It seems to me from reading some of the threads in this section that there are one set of rules for some and another set for others!
All "reputable" breeders had to start somewhere so how does anyone know that the OP wont become one of them in the future?
Lotti 16-06-2008, 08:07 PM I can't believe that vets are still recommending this! I'm so glad you didn't manage to find a stud - that advice is a load of rubbish and no reputable vet would recommend it nowadays!
Spaying alone stops them being 'broody' and having a litter carries lots of potential risks for the bitch - not to mention that breeding just for the sake of it adds to the numbers in rescue and doesn't take health tests into account.
For the record - I haven't torn strips off. I figure if they're going to do it anyway - help them do it right! It's worth knowing that it's going to cost a fortune, take a lot of energy (if mother doesn't take to feeding you have to feed throughout the night for a start!) and could kill your bitch.
Moonbird 16-06-2008, 09:34 PM I don't mean to be rude but aechurch asked a specific question and imo has had strips torn off her/him.
And several people also bothered to give the OP a reasonable reply, and some in depth.
I am a boxer owner and a few years ago was advised by a vet to let her have a litter before having her spayed. It was only because I couldn't find a suitable stud that she never had a litter. They said the reason was to stop her being broody.
As already pointed out by Lotti, letting a bitch have a litter is a very outdated way of thinking and totally unnecessary to her welfare, indeed it may well prove very detrimental.
I have actually seen 2 bitches (very sick indeed) at the vets with puppies on seperate occasions a few months ago, the latter owner ran out in floods of tears with the puppies and no bitch, I could have wept myself... I wish no ill on the owners because the obvious heartbreak told me that they would never do it again.
Is it worth it to potentially lose a well loved pet just because you like the idea of puppies? (and/or making a bit of spending money).
There are not many dogs out there that are truly outstanding enough to warrant the mating, there are already plenty of mediocre pedigrees and all to many with the associated health problems of bad/un-thought out matings.
The only dogs that feel broody are unspayed bitches, the same dogs that have to put up with PMT, seasons and phantom pregnancies.
you don't know the OP from adam and they could be the most responsible owner in the world ie finding appropriate homes for their pups.
All "reputable" breeders had to start somewhere so how does anyone know that the OP wont become one of them in the future?
Of course you are right that no one knows if the OP may become a reputable breeder, but (and I mean no offence to them at all) the chances of the dog being that good are not very high, mainly because if she was that good the breeder would have said so and suggested letting her have a litter, told her how to go about it and the OP wouldn't need to be asking for advice here.
It seems to me from reading some of the threads in this section that there are one set of rules for some and another set for others!
I don't think that is at all true, there are some people such as yourself who think that breeding a dog or cat is ok, and they tend to post on some threads, then you will find others that are consistant in thinking that its not a good idea... each are entitled to their opinion surely? and as its a forum they are also entitled to voice it... unless they feel the need to swear or use masked swearing to push their point across (which is against forum rules) of course! :rolleyes:
Jess22 16-06-2008, 10:27 PM It seems to me from reading some of the threads in this section that there are one set of rules for some and another set for others!
All "reputable" breeders had to start somewhere so how does anyone know that the OP wont become one of them in the future?
Because if their bitch is a pedigree worthy of producing an outstanding example of the breed (which in my opinion is the only reason to breed) then they would know enough about boxers not to have to ask advice on an open forum about where to find a stud dog. They would be in the circuit and know where already.
Sorry if I sound arsey, but it is general knowledge that if you want a pedigree boxer or staffy or GSD or some other breeds, you can just as easily pick them up from a pound/rescue than you can from getting a pup. Although again this may just be my opinion of what a pedigree is!
pinklady 16-06-2008, 10:57 PM Because if their bitch is a pedigree worthy of producing an outstanding example of the breed (which in my opinion is the only reason to breed) then they would know enough about boxers not to have to ask advice on an open forum about where to find a stud dog. They would be in the circuit and know where already.
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not always. When i got my cavvy about 7 years ago i was very tempted to breed her, she has an excellent pedigree and lovely nature, but i was a novice where breeding was concerned so i asked my vet. He gave her a complete physical and i got the 'all clear' to breed with a very slight concern that her petite stature could cause problems. Finding good loving homes wouldnt have been a problem as family members were pleading with me to breed her .......... however after more research via the internet i discovered that some bitches temperaments can alter permanently ........ which along with the slight health risk with her being small was just too much for me to risk and i had her spayed instead. If she had been a little bigger and not as timid i think i would have bred her once .. however it wasnt meant to be, but if i had i wouldnt have known where to find a stud but that wouldnt have meant i was irresponsible.
Strix 16-06-2008, 11:19 PM I don't mean to be rude but aechurch asked a specific question and imo has had strips torn off her/him.
perhaps you could just cast an eye over this:
Hi,
Does anyone know how i go about finding a Male boxer to breed with my Female Tan boxer,
Any info welcome
Thanks
now - nobody here has 'torn a strip off' aechurch, they've merely given some of the 'any information' asked for in the OP, as people who post on general forums for info on dog breeding aren't usually very close to those who have great experience in the field (else they'd ask them instead) and often aren't aware how complex or risky breeding can be
way too many people who have a bitch they love to bits believe she'd make a fantastic mother - just because she's cute - or love the idea of having half a dozen mini versions of their own dog lolloping about the place
ask anybody who's had to hand rear a litter due to either the bitch rejecting them, her milk drying up, or (worst of all) the mother dying during birth, whether having some pups is something to be taken lightly and you'll get a VERY long answer!
Now I haven't even started on the heart strings job of how anybody would feel if they saw an old webpage advertising one of 'their' pups available or rehoming at a dog pound - with the risk of destruction if not placed in a new home quickly (any good breeder can spot their own dog a mile off btw - and I can usually spot the relatives of my dog from spending so much time studying the lines at his breeder's kennels). Unless somebody is able to ensure a pup goes to a good home and is prepared to follow up every pup at various stages in it's life, taking a full grown dog back and rehoming it if necessary, in my opinion, they shouldn't consider producing rescue centre merchandise
I bought my own dog from a reputable breeder who has been known to aggressively pursue dogs she's produced and have been sold via small ads in contravention to their sales contract to return them if they can't stay in their first home. I wouldn't have bought from anywhere else! (except that I'd now be prepared to take a difficult rehoming case from the breed rescue :) )
bobbins 17-06-2008, 05:02 PM I have a male boxer at stud if interested?
Strix 17-06-2008, 05:14 PM 'at stud' or just ready for reproducing? do you have a stud book number?
bobbins 17-06-2008, 05:27 PM I have a male boxer stud dog if you are interested, handsome, red & white, heart score 0, sired 10 puppies, excellent temperament.
Hi,
Does anyone know how i go about finding a Male boxer to breed with my Female Tan boxer,
Any info welcome
Thanks
pinklady 17-06-2008, 05:30 PM might be better pm'ing the OP bobbins
Moonbird 17-06-2008, 05:35 PM might be better pm'ing the OP bobbins
Couldn't agree more!
I think I would be more than a little put off when the OP doesn't even know so much as the correct term for the colour of their dog.
Strix 17-06-2008, 05:36 PM hang on, you posted twice bobbins, and haven't answered the question
if you don't have a stud book number it isn't a stud dog you have - just some random animal who could incidentally be too close a relative to the OP's bitch for mating - and boxers already have enough health problems without random breeding going on :mad:
bobbins 17-06-2008, 05:40 PM He is a proven stud dog, registered with kennel club. I dont think you need his number unless you want to use him for breeding. Also he is my pet and lives in the house with me and is well looked after. Thanks for your comments.
Strix 17-06-2008, 05:41 PM nooooo - I didn't ask if he'd sired pups before - I asked if he had earned his stud book number, which I assume you don't have, as you seem to have no idea what I'm asking you :huh:
Moonbird 17-06-2008, 05:51 PM I think it might be time to close this now, the OP has all the advice that they can possibly need plus an offer, any further communication can be done via pm.
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