...I guess "humanitarian action" strictly doesn't cover dogs, but still....

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/06/11/marine.puppy/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

Disgusting isn't it :( There was the actual video posted somewhere (either here or another forum, can't remember) and it was horrific. I simply can't understand how people can do it :(

I really shouldn't read stuff like this. First it upsets me, then I get really really angry. Words just fail me.

I feel sick now, not even going to bother saying anything!

Frankly, I wouldn't bat an eyelid doing exactly the same to the marine responsible.

Sick.

Frankly, I wouldn't bat an eyelid doing exactly the same to the marine responsible.

Sick.

Hear, hear.

Frankly, I wouldn't bat an eyelid doing exactly the same to the marine responsible.

Sick.

Its the least they deserve.
Sick gits!!!

:gag::gag::gag: :rant::rant::rant:

The whole world is mad. Quite mad.

Things like this make me FURIOUS!!!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR :rant::rant::rant:

Its not nice, but how many people are being killed in Iraq, people don't deplore their deaths.

Its not nice, but how many people are being killed in Iraq, people don't deplore their deaths.

Totaly different..
This is a grown 'man' throwing an defencless animal off a cliff to a certain death.......
For fun!!!!

Its not nice, but how many people are being killed in Iraq, people don't deplore their deaths.


They have also killed British soldiers in the so called friendly fire incidents. I reckon they are not very bright people in the american forces

A bit of perspective would be nice here. Marines kill people all the time. Anybody who values the life of a puppy over a human seriously needs a head check.

Why is it totally different Daddy? Is it because Iraqis are dark skinned? Would you be offended if they were killing white people?

Nice video by the way, I see war is entertainment to you. Wanna see some puppies?

:gag::gag::gag: :rant::rant::rant:

The whole world is mad. Quite mad.

It is indeed. Kill many thousand civilians and people call you a hero, kill puppies and you're sick. God help vets.

Its not nice, but how many people are being killed in Iraq, people don't deplore their deaths.
That's an odd thing to say, who exactly doesn't deplore their deaths?? I thought every right thinking person did.

Wow, what big macho-men they are! Still, defeating defenceless puppies is probably their biggest victory to date, especially after being humiliated in Vietnam.

The puppy was already dead when they lobbed it off the cliff.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=621_1204615429 <--- Dont look doggy lovers.

Its not nice, but how many people are being killed in Iraq, people don't deplore their deaths.

What does the deaths of people in Iraq have to do with needlessly tossing a puppy over a cliff? the two things are totally unconnected I would have thought.

What does the deaths of people in Iraq have to do with needlessly tossing a puppy over a cliff? the two things are totally unconnected I would have thought.

Did you feel sick when the allied forces invaded Iraq and started bombing Iraqi civilians?

The puppy was already dead when they lobbed it off the cliff.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=621_1204615429 <--- Dont look doggy lovers.

Oh yes? how many dead puppies yelp then? have you actually read the report?

Oh yes? how many dead puppies yelp then? have you actually read the report?

Never heard of editing then eh?

Did you feel sick when the allied forces invaded Iraq and started bombing Iraqi civilians?

The threads not about that is it? I still fail to see the connection and how the one thing makes the other ok.

The threads not about that is it? I still fail to see the connection and how the one thing makes the other ok.

The thread is a pointless non-story compared to the lives of people. I'll ask again. Did you feel sick when the allied forces invaded Iraq and started bombing Iraqi civilians? This thread is nothing but sentimental rubbish.

If you can't tell the difference between the lives of puppies to that of the civilians of a whole country then you seriously do have mental problems. You shouldn't be posting on a forum, you should be in a padded cell. Remove that woman's keyboard.

Never heard of editing then eh?

Well I'm not sure why you consider that the article is edited unless you explain because I'm not going to look at your link, I really don't need it to be honest with you.

Well I'm not sure why you consider that the article is edited unless you explain because I'm not going to look at your link, I really don't need it to be honest with you.

Crebbedy cruise.

The thread is a pointless non-story compared to the lives of people. I'll ask again. Did you feel sick when the allied forces invaded Iraq and started bombing Iraqi civilians? This thread is nothing but sentimental rubbish.

I don't wish to talk about the bombing of Iraq, if I did I would have answered a thread on that wouldn't I? I suggest to you that if you do wish to talk about that you start your own thread instead of pointlessly arguing on someone else's, about something totally unrelated.
Oh you added to your "post" yes of course I can tell the difference between the lives of puppies and people, what was it that I said that made you think otherwise? I think that you are putting words into my mouth that were never there don't you?
And suggesting that I should be put in a padded cell and silenced just because I won't play your game and answer unrelated questions is plainly rediculous really!

Crebbedy cruise.

What does that mean?

A bit of perspective would be nice here. Marines kill people all the time. Anybody who values the life of a puppy over a human seriously needs a head check.

Why is it totally different Daddy? Is it because Iraqis are dark skinned? Would you be offended if they were killing white people?

Nice video by the way, I see war is entertainment to you. Wanna see some puppies?

I explained why it was different.
Try learning to read bofore you show yourself up like that.
Oh, and dont give me that white face brown face crap you moron.
Unless of course you can tell me the colour of my face from your pc monitor???
Doubt it..

The thread is a pointless non-story compared to the lives of people. I'll ask again. Did you feel sick when the allied forces invaded Iraq and started bombing Iraqi civilians? This thread is nothing but sentimental rubbish.

If you can't tell the difference between the lives of puppies to that of the civilians of a whole country then you seriously do have mental problems. You shouldn't be posting on a forum, you should be in a padded cell. Remove that woman's keyboard.

I did. You could see how this was going to end. If the West must invade other coutries then they should at least make sure they have the wits about them to install a stable government. They failed in Afghanistan, got bored and moved on to Iraq. Disgusting.

And I also find the idea of supposed professional soldiers throwing an animal off a cliff for fun disgusting. Time and time again you hear stories about pyschos who used to torture defenceless animals before progressing to murder - what does this say about the so-called saviours of the world, the good 'ol US of A? I find any killing pointless, be it an animal or a human. Except Robert Mugabe - I've got a lot of time for seeing him being thrown off a cliff, preferably on fire.

I don't wish to talk about the bombing of Iraq, if I did I would have answered a thread on that wouldn't I? I suggest to you that if you do wish to talk about that you start your own thread instead of pointlessly arguing on someone else's, about something totally unrelated.

If you're unwilling to acknowledge the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians yet say the world is mad and start ranting about a dead puppy. You are right, the world is mad, there's too many people like you. Stop being over hysterical about a puppy and get with the real world. Either that or put that keyboard down, you shouldn't be broadcasting your moronic opinions on an Internet site.

Had you bothered to look at the site that Venables links to you would have noticed there are other morons out there who have the Marine's personal details, why don't you research that and E-mail him if you're that bothered? I imagine though you will just post the odd crap comment about how the world is mad for the death of a puppy yet not acknowledge a war.

The puppy was already dead when they lobbed it off the cliff.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=621_1204615429 <--- Dont look doggy lovers.


Oh yes? how many dead puppies yelp then? have you actually read the report?

Looking at the video above, I'm undecided wether those yelps are the pup or another soldier.... could be either.

It also *appears* in the vid that the soldiers are out in the desert somewhere, given it is a young pup I'd like to think there is a good chance that the pup was already dead when they found it and the soldiers thought a vid would be amusing (if a little distasteful) as a prank.

I wouldn't be suprised though, given they are trained to kill people, that killing a dog wouldn't be a problem for them.

I explained why it was different.
Try learning to read bofore you show yourself up like that.
Oh, and dont give me that white face brown face crap you moron.
Unless of course you can tell me the colour of my face from your pc monitor???
Doubt it..

White, I've seen your Wheelie bin video. ;)

Form an opinion of your own before you call people morons. Your reply was so weak I missed it, what are your thoughts on killing defenceless humans then?

If you're unwilling to acknowledge the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians yet say the world is mad and start ranting about a dead puppy. ...
I don't think anyone here is even hinting at the notion that war and killing of other people is acceptable or otherwise.

Nor do I think anyone here has suggested that killing a puppy (*if* indeed they did) is worse than killing a person.

People were commenting on the news story that someone (ignore the fact they are soldiers for a moment) found it amusing to kill (or pretend to kill) an animal by throwing the animal. Wether that person is in a war scenario or some drunken kid ina run down block of flats is irrelevant.

White, I've seen your Wheelie bin video. ;)

Form an opinion of your own before you call people morons. Your reply was so weak I missed it, what are your thoughts on killing defenceless humans then?

look closer...
And find a thread that asks that question instead of hijacking an existing thread that asks a different one..
This is about a barbaric act by a sub human scummer.
Unless of cousre you think its ok what he did..
Oh, and my reply was so weak you missed it????
Where did that quote come from then..??

This is about a barbaric act by a sub human scummer.
Unless of cousre you think its ok what he did..

Pup were dead, pipe down. I chuck my dead goldfish down the loo.

Well I'm not sure why you consider that the article is edited unless you explain because I'm not going to look at your link, I really don't need it to be honest with you.

Have to be honest MB, the dog looked well dead in the link venables provided. Still a pretty sick thing to do mind you.

Pup were dead, pipe down. I chuck my dead goldfish down the loo.

Thats not the point..
Dead or not its a cruel thing to do..
The Americans are supposed to be there for the 'war on terror' and yet they sometimes behave no better than animals..
No wonder suicide bombings are still all the rage in that part of the globe.

If you're unwilling to acknowledge the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians yet say the world is mad and start ranting about a dead puppy. You are right, the world is mad, there's too many people like you. Stop being over hysterical about a puppy and get with the real world. Either that or put that keyboard down, you shouldn't be broadcasting your moronic opinions on an Internet site.

Had you bothered to look at the site that Venables links to you would have noticed there are other morons out there who have the Marine's personal details, why don't you research that and E-mail him if you're that bothered? I imagine though you will just post the odd crap comment about how the world is mad for the death of a puppy yet not acknowledge a war.
I think that it's a pity that you can't put your opinions across in a reasonable sensible way, the person "ranting" is you.
Isn't it a pity that you feel the need to push your point across by being offensive and insulting to other people? my "moronic opinions" are my own and just as valid as yours.
But you don't even know what my opinions are though do you?(in fact you don't know me at all but still feel the need to call me a moron) apart from the fact that I hate cruelty and I believe that if the puppy was alive it was inhumane to throw it off a cliff.

Thats not the point..
Dead or not its a cruel thing to do..
Not sure it can be considered cruel if the pup was dead.

Distasteful certainly, but given the horrors soldiers on active duty see everyday, 'playing' with a dead animal is insignificant.

Not sure it can be considered cruel if the pup was dead.

Distasteful certainly, but given the horrors soldiers on active duty see everyday, 'playing' with a dead animal is insignificant.

Then i think we should agree to disagree because i think its utterly disgusting and there is NO excuse.
:)

The pup was dead, and possibly even a toy. Even if it were alive, then I don't think it's all that bad.

A bit of perspective would be nice here. Marines kill people all the time. Anybody who values the life of a puppy over a human seriously needs a head check.

Why is it totally different Daddy? Is it because Iraqis are dark skinned? Would you be offended if they were killing white people?

Nice video by the way, I see war is entertainment to you. Wanna see some puppies?

It didn’t take long for the racism card to come out this time did it.

The fact is the marine killed the puppy for fun, where as innocent civilians are not being killed for run. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure that out, but I suppose those who throw the racism card around are none too bright neither.

The pup was dead, and possibly even a toy. Even if it were alive, then I don't think it's all that bad.

Do dead pups yelp? :suspect:

Do dead pups yelp? :suspect:

Of course they dont. :loopy:

Sorry, I don't read braile.

I thought better of showing my contempt for you last comment.

Have to be honest MB, the dog looked well dead in the link venables provided. Still a pretty sick thing to do mind you.

I hope that the poor thing was dead already, I don't want to look at the video myself I don't like cruelty and I don't like cruel people, and I don't want that picture in my head.
The fact that it amused them to throw it off a cliff (alive or dead) is not really something that I can understand.... but then I am but a wee moron and obviously I understand very little! :rolleyes:

I don't want to look at the video myself I

I'm sorry, but you are unqualified to comment on the video then.

I'm sorry, but you are unqualified to comment on the video then.

Don't think that I did actually, I commented on what others told me about it, is that ok with you?.

I'm sorry, but you are unqualified to comment on the video then.

But overly qualified in getting hysterical at the mention of dead puppies in order to make themselves appear more human. I'll bet her and the Daddy are meat eaters too.

Don't think that I did actually, I commented on what others told me about it, is that ok with you?.

Yes you did! Whats wrong with you? :loopy::loopy::loopy:

But overly qualified in getting hysterical at the mention of dead puppies in order to make themselves appear more human. I'll bet her and the Daddy are meat eaters too.

I can assure you that I am very far from hysteria.
Ooh changing the subject again eh? if you can't get em one way try another :hihi:
What troll school did you go too? your not doing bad really....;)

But overly qualified in getting hysterical at the mention of dead puppies in order to make themselves appear more human. I'll bet her and the Daddy are meat eaters too.

But only "humane" meats. Wouldn't eat anything cute cos thats just mean.

Yes you did! Whats wrong with you? :loopy::loopy::loopy:

Whats wrong with you did your finger stick on the "loopy" smiley? I commented on what others told me about the video.

It didn’t take long for the racism card to come out this time did it.

The fact is the marine killed the puppy for fun, where as innocent civilians are not being killed for run. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure that out, but I suppose those who throw the racism card around are none too bright neither.

Hold on there, I didn't call him racist, I asked him why it was different to the death of Iraqis. That was my statement, not an accusation, The Daddy failed to answer, if people give out bits of crap info and don't answer questions what is a person lead to believe. For the record I don't think or know if the Daddy is racist, I do think his reason for getting upset at a pup over a human life needs to be explored though. Whether you like it or not skin colour does have a massive impact on how much attention people give to a tragedy.

I can assure you that I am very far from hysteria.
Ooh changing the subject again eh? if you can't get em one way try another :hihi:
What troll school did you go too? your not doing bad really....;)

Thanks. Typical I've lost an argument behaviour, label them as a troll. You shouldn't be on this forum, your moronic posts are lowering the tone. :D

Whats wrong with you did your finger stick on the "loopy" smiley? I commented on what others told me about the video.

If you don't watch the clip, then you don't know what happened fully. In an emotive topic like this, I feel you should be armed with all the facts and knowledge of the subject if you are going to comment.

Thanks. Typical I've lost an argument behaviour, label them as a troll. You shouldn't be on this forum, your moronic posts are lowering the tone. :D

I don't feel that I have lost anything what so ever, nor do I feel that I am lowering the tone.
I am just wondering who you were in a previous incarnation on here hmmm interesting. :D

Hold on there fullapis, I didn't call him racist, I asked him why it was different to the death of Iraqis. That was my statement, not an accusation, The Daddy failed to answer, if people give out bits of crap info and don't answer questions what is a person lead to believe. For the record I don't think or know if the Daddy is racist, I do think his reason for getting upset at a pup over a human life needs to be explored though. Whether you like it or not skin colour does have a massive impact on how much attention people give to a tragedy.

You wrote: "Why is it totally different Daddy? Is it because Iraqis are dark skinned?"

You are implying The_Daddy would judge differently on the colour of someone’s skin.

There you go again with the insults tut tut.
Where did anyone AT ALL apart from you draw the comparison between an animal life and a human one?

No-one did, that's why I'm having a go. If you can't distinguish the difference between a human and animal life then something is wrong with you. Do you eat roast baby sandwiches? You should learn the difference between animal and human life.

Fulapis claimed I bought out the race card, I disagree, I bought out a question asking for you and the Daddy to distinguish the difference between humans and animals, it was you and the Daddy that got hysterical over the puppy and you fail to acknowledge the deaths of thousands.

You wrote: "Why is it totally different Daddy? Is it because Iraqis are dark skinned?"

You are implying The_Daddy would judge differently on the colour of someone’s skin.

What other reason would he value the life of a puppy over that of a human being?

What other reason would he value the life of a puppy over that of a human being?

What human being? I made no connection, you compared a puppy with someone with brown skin.

I don't feel that I have lost anything what so ever, nor do I feel that I am lowering the tone.
I am just wondering who you were in a previous incarnation on here hmmm interesting. :D

No-one, I have lurked for a long time. You do know people can read things on the Internet don't you. Just because you've taken a whooping doesn't mean I've been here before. You're getting all excited again, you'll soon be hysterical.

What human being? I made no connection, you compared a puppy with someone with brown skin.

Follow the thread then, the Daddy claimed:

Totaly different..
This is a grown 'man' throwing an defencless animal off a cliff to a certain death.......
For fun!!!!

When the Chemist mentioned Iraq.

No-one, I have lurked for a long time. You do know people can read things on the Internet don't you. Just because you've taken a whooping doesn't mean I've been here before. You're getting all excited again, you'll soon be hysterical.

Insult slinging the retort of the belligerent looser.

No-one did, that's why I'm having a go. If you can't distinguish the difference between a human and animal life then something is wrong with you. Do you eat roast baby sandwiches? You should learn the difference between animal and human life.

Fulapis claimed I bought out the race card, I disagree, I bought out a question asking for you and the Daddy to distinguish the difference between humans and animals, it was you and the Daddy that got hysterical over the puppy and you fail to acknowledge the deaths of thousands.

But the DADDY never mentioned race - you did. You were aiming to make some lame accusation on what you thought the motives for his post were and brought in race which was never implied.

Thanks. Typical I've lost an argument behaviour, label them as a troll. You shouldn't be on this forum, your moronic posts are lowering the tone.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, gets thrown over a cliff like a duck....

No-one, I have lurked for a long time. You do know people can read things on the Internet don't you. Just because you've taken a whooping doesn't mean I've been here before. You're getting all excited again, you'll soon be hysterical.
What does lurking have to do with anything?
I've given as good as I got I think, your not going to turn me into a victim here...try harder :hihi:

Follow the thread then, the Daddy claimed:

When the Chemist mentioned Iraq.

I pulled you up on your attempt to throw the racism card into the discussion. It’s nothing to do with what others have said. Your chances of making a dignified retreat are vanishing very quickly the longer keep you keep your hands over you ears and shout “la la la la la, cant hear you”.

Hold on there fullapis, I didn't call him racist, I asked him why it was different to the death of Iraqis. That was my statement, not an accusation, The Daddy failed to answer, if people give out bits of crap info and don't answer questions what is a person lead to believe. For the record I don't think or know if the Daddy is racist, I do think his reason for getting upset at a pup over a human life needs to be explored though. Whether you like it or not skin colour does have a massive impact on how much attention people give to a tragedy.

My bold
Very pleased to hear it.

My bold again..
Not with the majorirty, only the racist minority.
Now stop trying to turn this thread into a debate on racism.

But the DADDY never mentioned race - you did. You were aiming to make some lame accusation on what you thought the motives for his post were and brought in race which was never implied.



If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, gets thrown over a cliff like a duck....

I asked why it was different, race was my assumption yes but I didn't call anybody it as was the claim. I do believe it's down to race, you don't think it's down to the way the Iraqis treat the Kurds do you that Daddy and others find the death of a puppy more horrific than the death of people? Or maybe they got a batch of dodgy dates or something.

I pulled you up on your attempt to throw the racism card into the discussion. It’s nothing to do with what others have said. Your chances of making a dignified retreat are vanishing very quickly the longer keep you keep your hands over you ears and shout “la la la la la, cant hear you”.

You jumped on something where you thought you would take the moral high ground. You didn't pull up my use of race as my use of race was a question based on my opinion. Why would a person stick their fingers in their ears and shout LA LA LA? It's text, it is read by the eyes not the ears.

I asked why it was different, race was my assumption yes but I didn't call anybody it as was the claim. I do believe it's down to race, you don't think it's down to the way the Iraqis treat the Kurds do you that Daddy and others find the death of a puppy more horrific than the death of people? Or maybe they got a batch of dodgy dates or something.

The thing is where did anyone say that? no one said it.
This is totally a pointless non argument on your part really don't you think? no one said it!

This thread proves how dumb a select few are. The death of a puppy has resulted in 74 posts. You people really should go out and get some air. I'm off to sign on, I shall see you all later. Don't worry I will be back. :D

The thing is where did anyone say that? no one said it.
This is totally a pointless non argument on your part really don't you think? no one said it!

Read the first page again. The writing is there.

I asked why it was different, race was my assumption yes but I didn't call anybody it as was the claim. I do believe it's down to race, you don't think it's down to the way the Iraqis treat the Kurds do you that Daddy and others find the death of a puppy more horrific than the death of people? Or maybe they got a batch of dodgy dates or something.

You know i cant quite put my finger on it but i know you from here under a different name...
Ah well, itll come to me.
So hows that hole coming, finnished digging it yet?

You know i cant quite put my finger on it but i know you from here under a differnt name...
Ah well, itll come to me.
So hows that hole coming, finnished digging it yet?

You would never figure it out, you're too dumb.

You know i cant quite put my finger on it but i know you from here under a different name...
Ah well, itll come to me.
So hows that hole coming, finnished digging it yet?

Does it begin with B or a P? :hihi: he will be back but who knows as what!

I asked why it was different, race was my assumption yes but I didn't call anybody it as was the claim. I do believe it's down to race, you don't think it's down to the way the Iraqis treat the Kurds do you that Daddy and others find the death of a puppy more horrific than the death of people? Or maybe they got a batch of dodgy dates or something.


I'm sorry but that post just a nonsence.

No one has said that the death of this dog is more horrific than the deaths of people in Iraq.

Just repeating a lie wont make it the truth you know.

You would never figure it out, you're too dumb.

And youve got a big nose..
Well if its schoolyard insults then lets get on with it...
Or maybe you can behave like a grown up for a change..

Does it begin with B or a P? :hihi: he will be back but who knows as what!

You know i think it just may:hihi:

This thread proves how dumb a select few are. The death of a puppy has resulted in 74 posts. You people really should go out and get some air. I'm off to sign on, I shall see you all later. Don't worry I will be back. :D

Nice try, troll.

I think you will find at least half of the posts are directed at you and your feeble attempts to make this a racial issue but you don’t have the sense to see where you went wrong.

Laughable to be honest. I’m sure after the mods check the IP you are on, they will know who you used to be and issue another ban if it’s needed.

Its....

DAMN! No wonder I liked him! :D

Frankly, I wouldn't bat an eyelid doing exactly the same to the marine responsible.Sick.

Can I help you give them a push?

Aww shucks, you think I'm Bartfarst don't you? He must get fed up of accusations of double identities. Not Bartfarst I'm afraid. This is my first account, really. ;)

I'm sorry but that post just a nonsence.

No one has said that the death of this dog is more horrific than the deaths of people in Iraq.

Just repeating a lie wont make it the truth you know.

No not nonsense. No-one has pointed out the difference between the death of a puppy and a human (which might I add was claimed on page 1). They have said it's different to the deaths of people in Iraq. One poster hasn't even watched the video and still claims it to be horrific. This is what happens when you make morons believe their opinions are valid.

Nice try, troll.

I think you will find at least half of the posts are directed at you and your feeble attempts to make this a racial issue but you don’t have the sense to see where you went wrong.

Laughable to be honest. I’m sure after the mods check the IP you are on, they will know who you used to be and issue another ban if it’s needed.

I'm sure they will if I have duplicate accounts, unfortunately I don't. It is laughable, you claim I'm trolling yet you're arguing back. I don't know who's the silliest, me for winding you up and allowing myself to come across as a troll or you for arguing with a troll. I'm sure you will be back with a reply too. :D

Aww shucks, you think I'm Bartfarst don't you? He must get fed up of accusations of double identities. Not Bartfarst I'm afraid. This is my first account, really. ;)

Nah, Bartfarst was far better at this than you :)

No not nonsense. No-one has pointed out the difference between the death of a puppy and a human (which might I add was claimed on page 1). They have said it's different to the deaths of people in Iraq. One poster hasn't even watched the video and still claims it to be horrific. This is what happens when you make morons believe their opinions are valid.

No one needs to point out the difference between the death of a puppy and the death of a human because no one has said that because the one thing is sick and twisted that the other doesnt count. You're the only one who seems to think that showing sympathy for an animal equates to indifference to the suffering of people.

What the DADDY was saying (and I'm sure he'll forgive me for answering for him) was that the two example you are trying so poorly to link are totally different subjects.

If you're unwilling to acknowledge the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians yet say the world is mad and start ranting about a dead puppy. You are right, the world is mad, there's too many people like you. Stop being over hysterical about a puppy and get with the real world. Either that or put that keyboard down, you shouldn't be broadcasting your moronic opinions on an Internet site.

Had you bothered to look at the site that Venables links to you would have noticed there are other morons out there who have the Marine's personal details, why don't you research that and E-mail him if you're that bothered? I imagine though you will just post the odd crap comment about how the world is mad for the death of a puppy yet not acknowledge a war.

I like how pedant takes what he wants from each post, twists it and makes it have nothing to do with the original posting.

Can people not be disturbed by the innapropriate actions of a trained profesional soldier killing an innocent animal AND be upset and disgusted by the atrocities of war or can myour mind not stretch that far?

The pup was dead, and possibly even a toy. Even if it were alive, then I don't think it's all that bad.

mholey - your posts are those of a young mind or a naive mind. ooooh look at me, I say shocking things to get noticed. Well done. we have all noticed you.

I'm sure they will if I have duplicate accounts, unfortunately I don't. It is laughable, you claim I'm trolling yet you're arguing back. I don't know who's the silliest, me for winding you up and allowing myself to come across as a troll or you for arguing with a troll. I'm sure you will be back with a reply too. :D

Troll comment was aimed at the emboldened text in your previous message ... /yawn

It didn’t take long for the racism card to come out this time did it.

The fact is the marine killed the puppy for fun, where as innocent civilians are not being killed for run. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure that out, but I suppose those who throw the racism card around are none too bright neither.

I think we have disagreed before Serapis but I am with you 100% here. Well said

Nah, Bartfarst was far better at this than you :)



No one needs to point out the difference between the death of a puppy and the death of a human because no one has said that because the one thing is sick and twisted that the other doesnt count. You're the only one who seems to think that showing sympathy for an animal equates to indifference to the suffering of people.

What the DADDY was saying (and I'm sure he'll forgive me for answering for him) was that the two example you are trying so poorly to link are totally different subjects.

I'm sure he was better at this than me but you still keep replying. I'm sure the Daddy won't mind you speaking for him, he does a pretty poor job for himself.

Troll comment was aimed at the emboldened text in your previous message ... /yawn

Still replying.

But overly qualified in getting hysterical at the mention of dead puppies in order to make themselves appear more human. I'll bet her and the Daddy are meat eaters too.

so if you eat meat, you must enjoy abusing animals. Great argument there, I'll wager you are part of a great debating society.

I like how pedant takes what he wants from each post, twists it and makes it have nothing to do with the original posting.


Thanks. :)

so if you eat meat, you must enjoy abusing animals. Great argument there, I'll wager you are part of a great debating society.

I am. I joined yesterday. If you eat meat you have animals killed in your name every day. Why not start a thread about that?

No not nonsense. No-one has pointed out the difference between the death of a puppy and a human (which might I add was claimed on page 1). They have said it's different to the deaths of people in Iraq. One poster hasn't even watched the video and still claims it to be horrific. This is what happens when you make morons believe their opinions are valid.

If you mean me I never claimed it horrific at all I merely said I wouldn't watch it, so what? get over yourself for Gods sake!

No-one did, that's why I'm having a go. If you can't distinguish the difference between a human and animal life then something is wrong with you. Do you eat roast baby sandwiches? You should learn the difference between animal and human life.

Fulapis claimed I bought out the race card, I disagree, I bought out a question asking for you and the Daddy to distinguish the difference between humans and animals, it was you and the Daddy that got hysterical over the puppy and you fail to acknowledge the deaths of thousands.

WOW Pedant is so full of nonsense its amazing. His arguments are just for the sake of it and smack of an anti social loner spouting rubbish to be noticed.

Your arguments (I will be polite here) are naive at best and generally laughable. The scary thing is I fear you may be an adult!

WOW Pedant is so full of nonsense its amazing. His arguments are just for the sake of it and smack of an anti social loner spouting rubbish to be noticed.

Your arguments (I will be polite here) are naive at best and generally laughable. The scary thing is I fear you may be an adult!

Yet you keep replying.

so if you eat meat, you must enjoy abusing animals. Great argument there, I'll wager you are part of a great debating society.

Hmmm. Much as I don't necessarily agree with Pedant's tactics on this thread, the meat-eating debate is an interesting one.

I never put in my objections when cases of animal cruelty come up on the Forum because, as a meat eater, I would feel like a total hypocrite.

I know very well that the animals I'm eating have lived horrible lives under intensive farming regimes and that they've been killed unnecessarily for my benefit. By accepting that fact I'm condoning cruelty to animals - hence I can't really get too worked up about puppies being killed. Yes, it's horrible. So is meat eating. I can't do one and whinge about the other.

Having said that, I certainly wouldn't make public assumptions about anyone else's habits and practices, or even expect other people to agree with me.

I'm sorry but that post just a nonsence.

No one has said that the death of this dog is more horrific than the deaths of people in Iraq.

Just repeating a lie wont make it the truth you know.

actually studies have shown that people who are poor liars don't usually elaborate when challenged, they just repeat the same thing. Well done Pedant for making your BS easy to spot.

Yet you keep replying.

I am trying to get my comment numbers up and your posts are nice easy targets.

Seriously, your posts are just for fishing right? as in you are trying to wind people in. I can't believe anyone who functions in the real world can write such things as you do.

It is a believable and scary character you have created, visit the link below.

What does the deaths of people in Iraq have to do with needlessly tossing a puppy over a cliff? the two things are totally unconnected I would have thought.

I believe the incident happened in Iraq, what troubled me was, the anger expressed for the throwing of a puppy (it appears to be alive) off a cliff, whereas no such emotions are expressed on threads about people getting killed in large numbers (or if they are, not much).
I don't agree with either, but Im suprised how worked up people can be about a puppy being killed by a soldier, whom is quite likely to also be killing people (and show as little regard).

Hmmm. Much as I don't necessarily agree with Pedant's tactics on this thread, the meat-eating debate is an interesting one.

I never put in my objections when cases of animal cruelty come up on the Forum because, as a meat eater, I would feel like a total hypocrite.

I know very well that the animals I'm eating have lived horrible lives under intensive farming regimes and that they've been killed unnecessarily for my benefit. By accepting that fact I'm condoning cruelty to animals - hence I can't really get too worked up about puppies being killed. Yes, it's horrible. So is meat eating. I can't do one and whinge about the other.

Having said that, I certainly wouldn't make public assumptions about anyone else's habits and practices, or even expect other people to agree with me.

a good point I have discussed before. This is why I make sure the meat I do eat is from ethical rearing and (if the advertising is correct) killed humanely and while they are alive they are looked after well.

This said the prices of these are higher.

Sorry straying from original OP here

Its not nice, but how many people are being killed in Iraq, people don't deplore their deaths.

Totaly different..
This is a grown 'man' throwing an defencless animal off a cliff to a certain death.......
For fun!!!!

My point will always stand. Why is it totally different? Answer that and you can accuse me of anything.

Yes I have been ridiculously harsh on this thread but why be subtle for morons who assume the death of an animal is somehow different to that of a human. Soldiers kill people everyday yet you've all got your backs up about a puppy. Now who's full of BS?

Yes I have been ridiculously harsh on this thread but why be subtle for morons who assume the death of an animal is somehow different to that of a human. Soldiers kill people everyday yet you've all got your backs up about a puppy. Now who's full of BS?

Only you I fear!

I am trying to get my comment numbers up and your posts are nice easy targets.

Seriously, your posts are just for fishing right? as in you are trying to wind people in. I can't believe anyone who functions in the real world can write such things as you do.

It is a believable and scary character you have created, visit the link below.

If you're religious trust god made me and forgive my sins. Yes my posts are for fishing, this thread has proved how people get hysterical about things they don't truly think through.

Which would you prefer we kill, your dog or your child? That's what this is about.

Hmmm. Much as I don't necessarily agree with Pedant's tactics on this thread, the meat-eating debate is an interesting one.

I never put in my objections when cases of animal cruelty come up on the Forum because, as a meat eater, I would feel like a total hypocrite.

I know very well that the animals I'm eating have lived horrible lives under intensive farming regimes and that they've been killed unnecessarily for my benefit. By accepting that fact I'm condoning cruelty to animals - hence I can't really get too worked up about puppies being killed. Yes, it's horrible. So is meat eating. I can't do one and whinge about the other.

Having said that, I certainly wouldn't make public assumptions about anyone else's habits and practices, or even expect other people to agree with me.

I know where your coming from, and to a certain extent I agree with you.

However, I do think there is a quantifiable difference between someone killing and maiming animals for their own sadistic pleasure and someone killing an animal for an end product, such as meat or perhaps to protect their livestock etc.

If you're religious trust god made me and forgive my sins. Yes my posts are for fishing, this thread has proved how people get hysterical about things they don't truly think through.

Which would you prefer we kill, your dog or your child? That's what this is about.

hehehehee thats funny, that is just what this thread is about. That and which would you rather kill: David Beckham or Christiano Ronaldo.

I know where your coming from, and to a certain extent I agree with you.

However, I do think there is a quantifiable difference between someone killing and maiming animals for their own sadistic pleasure and someone killing an animal for an end product, such as meat or perhaps to protect their livestock etc.

My bold - agreed.

Just not quantifiable enough, for me, to warrant joining the 'string-em-up' brigade.

My point will always stand. Why is it totally different? Answer that and you can accuse me of anything.

Yes I have been ridiculously harsh on this thread but why be subtle for morons who assume the death of an animal is somehow different to that of a human. Soldiers kill people everyday yet you've all got your backs up about a puppy. Now who's full of BS?
Erm, read my bold you goon.


Totaly different..
This is a grown 'man' throwing an defencless animal off a cliff to a certain death.......
For fun!!!!



The bold is the part which makes it stand out from every day cruelty.
The did it for fun..
Hows the fishing going?
Caught anything with your little tiddler?

My point will always stand. Why is it totally different? Answer that and you can accuse me of anything.

Yes I have been ridiculously harsh on this thread but why be subtle for morons who assume the death of an animal is somehow different to that of a human. Soldiers kill people everyday yet you've all got your backs up about a puppy. Now who's full of BS?

the great Mahatma Ghandi said this:-
The good man is the friend of all living things.
and this

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.

and this

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?

Did you read the full CNN report on this incident. The Marine Corps is sending this young man back home to a probable dishonorable discharge, an end to his career, and hard time finding a job wirh that DD on his record. What would you have them do? Put him up against the wall and shoot him? Send him into Leavenworth for 40 years. Someone commented that we must have a low breed military. My son is a member of that military, and like most everyone else is certainly not low breed. But you people are so holier than thou, while youths in England stab people to death for no reason.

If anyone amongst the sanctimonious had read the BBC UK News online last week there was report of a cat literally smashed to pieces with planks by a group of young thugs somewhere in Englland'

Soon as Amercian military are mentioned the hands all start flying in the air.

OOOOOH! How awful!! All Marines are so low life etc etc blah! blah!
Some of you are so prejudiced and no mistake.
Bah! Humbug! to you !

Not defending the puppy incident. Whatever the punishment is he earned it

If anyone amongst the sanctimonious had read the BBC UK News online last week there was report of a cat literally smashed to pieces with planks by a group of young thugs somewhere in Englland'

Soon as Amercian military are mentioned the hands all start flying in the air.

OOOOOH! How awful!! All Marines are so low life etc etc blah! blah!
Some of you are so prejudiced and no mistake.
Bah! Humbug! to you

Hang on, hang on.

We had a thread about the cats too, didn't we?

I don't think this needs to become another US/UK debate, does it? A lot of the posting on this thread is intemperate - I wouldn't take it personally.

Did you read the full CNN report on this incident. The Marine Corps is sending this young man back home to a probable dishonorable discharge, an end to his career, and hard time finding a job wirh that DD on his record. What would you have them do? Put him up against the wall and shoot him? Send him into Leavenworth for 40 years. Someone commented that we must have a low breed military. My son is a member of that military, and like most everyone else is certainly not low breed. But you people are so holier than thou, while youths in England stab people to death for no reason.

Dont be another one to try an make this personal.
Most dont judge all your militart buy the actions of this idiot.
So wind your neck in and get off your soapbox.
But i agree with your comment about people over here stabbing each other for no reason.
Its very worrying to think what it will be like when my kids grow up..

Please keep on topic - this is not a thread about Iraq it is about a specific news story. If you want to debate any other topic then it needs to be done on the relevant thread.

Dont be another one to try an make this personal.
Most dont judge all your militart buy the actions of this idiot.
So wind your neck in and get off your soapbox.
But i agree with your comment about people over here stabbing each other for no reason.
Its very worrying to think what it will be like when my kids grow up..Sorry to get personal. Having a beloved son facing imminent danger will do that to you.

Sorry to get personal. Having a beloved son facing imminent danger will do that to you.

Im sorry to hear that and totaly understand your worried.
Just dont listen to whatthe goons say and youll be fine:D
Hope your son gets back safe and well:thumbsup:

Hang on, hang on.

We had a thread about the cats too, didn't we?

I don't think this needs to become another US/UK debate, does it? A lot of the posting on this thread is intemperate - I wouldn't take it personally.

Sorry. Must have missed that thread about the cat killers. No intention for yet another US/UK debate and not taking it personally by any means. Just wanted to let the one or two members who post crude, knee jerk reaction comments about anything American that wanton and senseless cruelty is not confined to any one people or any one culture. Worse yet they reduce a whole group of people down to the level of one sadisitc idiot.

Did you read the full CNN report on this incident. The Marine Corps is sending this young man back home to a probable dishonorable discharge, an end to his career, and hard time finding a job wirh that DD on his record. What would you have them do? Put him up against the wall and shoot him? Send him into Leavenworth for 40 years. Someone commented that we must have a low breed military. My son is a member of that military, and like most everyone else is certainly not low breed. But you people are so holier than thou, while youths in England stab people to death for no reason.

While I wish we could avoid war, I certainly admire and respect anyone willing to put up their lives for the rest of us, from firemen to soldiers.

I certainly don't think we have a "low breed" of soldier, quite the opposite. We have more standards in place than ever to make sure things like this don't go unchecked.

Is the point really that this is a soldier being such a freakish monster? Is the point that it is pretty sick for anyone to do this.

Lets not make this a soldier bashing thread. those guys do a great job.

Full respect to your son and his colleagues, I hope he returns safely to his family.

all the best

Lets not make this a soldier bashing thread. those guys do a great job.



Damn right they do. I can think of a lot more people we should be putting on the front line to get shot at. Perhaps we should bring conscription back, stop the professional dedicated soldiers getting shot.

Sorry. Must have missed that thread about the cat killers. No intention for yet another US/UK debate and not taking it personally by any means. Just wanted to let the one or two members who post crude, knee jerk reaction comments about anything American that wanton and senseless cruelty is not confined to any one people or any one culture. Worse yet they reduce a whole group of people down to the level of one sadisitc idiot.

Harleyman, don’t worry about it, The US has its inbred idiots and so does the UK. Nothing new. Those with an ounce of sense look further than news headlines.

An interesting thread in the sense that such outrage, deservedly so, has been expressed at such cruelty towards this animal, but a story claiming that the US military had accidently killed 11 Pakistan soldiers had been totally overlooked. Is the act of killing a puppy more outrageous in society than 11 soldiers being accidently blown up?

An interesting thread in the sense that such outrage, deservedly so, has been expressed at such cruelty towards this animal, but a story claiming that the US military had accidently killed 11 Pakistan soldiers had been totally overlooked. Is the act of killing a puppy more outrageous in society than 11 soldiers being accidently blown up?

the difference is accidently killed and puposely killed. Both are terrible things. Because one wasn't mentioned doesn't mean that no one cares, it means people die in and around warzones and while this is a terrible thing, it is not as shocking as a soldier acting like a trainee serial killer.

Lets not make this seem like a posting from tree huggers who care nothing about human life, this is simply saying isn't this sick. Not its wrong to kill animals but ok to kill humans. Why do you people keep twisting it to read something it doesn't?

At least make the arguments relative to the OP

An interesting thread in the sense that such outrage, deservedly so, has been expressed at such cruelty towards this animal, but a story claiming that the US military had accidently killed 11 Pakistan soldiers had been totally overlooked. Is the act of killing a puppy more outrageous in society than 11 soldiers being accidently blown up?

Agree 100%. This is only a puppy.

Agree 100%. This is only a puppy.

Do you have a pet warden? Can I come over and kill it?

the difference is accidently killed and puposely killed. Both are terrible things. Because one wasn't mentioned doesn't mean that no one cares, it means people die in and around warzones and while this is a terrible thing, it is not as shocking as a soldier acting like a trainee serial killer.

Lets not make this seem like a posting from tree huggers who care nothing about human life, this is simply saying isn't this sick. Not its wrong to kill animals but ok to kill humans. Why do you people keep twisting it to read something it doesn't?

At least make the arguments relative to the OP

Absolutely.

This video was presented in such a way to garner an extreme emotional response from the viewer - and as can be seen by the majority of the posts on this thread it certainly did its job.

What the motives were behind this video, we may never know, though I suspect that it may well have been made/released to highlight the perceived hypocrisy of the western public - i.e. 'Isn’t it terrible that this little puppy died yet hundreds, nay thousands of civilians die everyday in far worse circumstances and no one objects'

But I believe that if that were the motivation behind the video, then it is hopelessly crass and naive.

Of course people will react to an incident like this - its human nature and most right minded people would consider the killing of an animal for nothing more than sadistic pleasure horrifying. But to imply from that the same people who are outraged by this video will care little for the plight of humans killed in conflict is utterly fallacious.

To put it another way, if the 'victim' in the video was an Iraqi prisoner, the outrage would have been a thousand times more vociferous.

People react to horrors they see - unfortunate for those who die 'off camera' sure, but sadly, this is human nature.

Absolutely.

This video was presented in such a way to garner an extreme emotional response from the viewer - and as can be seen by the majority of the posts on this thread it certainly did its job.

What the motives were behind this video, we may never know, though I suspect that it may well have been made/released to highlight the perceived hypocrisy of the western public - i.e. 'Isn’t it terrible that this little puppy died yet hundreds, nay thousands of civilians die everyday in far worse circumstances and no one objects'

But I believe that if that were the motivation behind the video, then it is hopelessly crass and naive.

Of course people will react to an incident like this - its human nature and most right minded people would consider the killing of an animal for nothing more than sadistic pleasure horrifying. But to imply from that the same people who are outraged by this video will care little for the plight of humans killed in conflict is utterly fallacious.

To put it another way, if the 'victim' in the video was an Iraqi prisoner, the outrage would have been a thousand times more vociferous.

People react to horrors they see - unfortunate for those who die 'off camera' sure, but sadly, this is human nature.


Wonderfully written. I agree whole heartedly.

An interesting thread in the sense that such outrage, deservedly so, has been expressed at such cruelty towards this animal, but a story claiming that the US military had accidently killed 11 Pakistan soldiers had been totally overlooked. Is the act of killing a puppy more outrageous in society than 11 soldiers being accidently blown up?

You're not seeing the point. The soldier did what he did, deliberately, while the Pakistan soldiers where accidently killed. If the US had deliberately killed those soldiers for fun, them Im sure SF would be creaking under the number of posts condemning it!

Agree 100%. This is only a puppy.

I don't agree that it was "only" a puppy.

It was still a living, feeling, creature, and as such deserved to be treated kindly, and not cruelly.

Mod note:

Following discussion, it has been agreed that this thread should be moved back to 'Sheffield Pet owners'

That makes no sense, its about something that happened in another country to animal that was probably not a 'pet' and as such should be in general discussions, it is nothing to do with sheffield at all.

That makes no sense, its about something that happened in another country to animal that was probably not a 'pet' and as such should be in general discussions, it is nothing to do with sheffield at all.

The thread was actually posted here in the first place and had a different title, but it was moved into general chat, that is why the first few comments were more about the puppy than anything else!
If your not happy you can contact the helpdesk and ask for it to be moved yet again :rolleyes: