A friend of mine has been studying for years and last year obtained a degree in mathematics. Since then he has applied for numerous posts in schools, colleges, night schools, day centres in and around Sheffield without success, why?

He has never taught before but is qualified, willing to work, wants to work but has been told that first he has to obtain a teaching qualification. To do this, he has to sit in a class whilst the qualified teacher is working.

Then at night has to take all the homework with him and mark it sometimes untill the early hours, then get up next morning to catch an early bus to the school exhausted. In addition to this he has been physically assaulted by pupils, but has been warned not to retaliate.

At fifty five years of age, it is a strain and feels that everything is being put against him to discourage his ambition. For all this he was offered the grand total of £6000 per annum.

I was under the impression that
Teachers were needed desperately, but he was told by the Education authority that there was no vacancies in Sheffield. We are being told different things by different people, how can we make sense of it all? :( :( :(

you do need to be qualified to teach tho hal.

imagine if all that workload was thrust upon someone on their first day...

teaching qualifications help you adjust to the conditions of teaching

I am aware that one should ignore those who try to change your ambitions, but I am even more sure that ANYONE getting into teaching becomes very aware of the mistake they made.

The problem with manpower shortages in the teaching profession is one of retention, not of recruitment.

The pay structure appears to overload the teacher with additional responsibilities, in order to gain management points. Many keen YOUNG newly qualified teachers burn out quickly.

I have direct experience of how the teaching profession can turn people with the best intentions and dreams into persons quite the opposite.

Teachers 'burnt out', give us a break, just another set of whingers, so the job is not all it's cracked up to be, well that's life !

Originally posted by "Michael_W"

Teachers 'burnt out', give us a break, just another set of whingers

Elaborate? :)

Chris wrote :
Elaborate?
Like many professionals, the teachers complain at every opportunity, the basis of which is the 'overworked and underpaid' scenario, well isn't that the problem with every job ?
And I must add there are many more high pressure environments to work in which pay less money and have less holidays !

you can tell he knows nothing about the teaching profession, my mum is a teacher and has been for many years, her daily routine basically is:
get up at 6:00 to do marking, leave the house at 8:00, teach until 3:30, then stay to sort out the class room, prepare for next days lessons, get home around 6-6:30, have something to eat before marking until around 11, having 2-3 hours sleep before marking again sleeping before gettin up at 6.
and as for the holiday's comment, they dont just sit around you know, they have to plan lesson timetable's cos of all this new crap the government insists they have to do so much of per day, sort out next years classes/pupils etc.
she rarely gets any time to herself and is usually marking.
this may be slightly different in secondary schools as they pupils can be left to get on with their work unlike primary school children who need attention every 2 mins giving the teacher time to mark at least some of the work and also not having to plan lessons for all kinds of subjects could help as u will be marking the same pieces of work but for different years/classes.
but ur comment is very unfair towards teachers who do a hell of a job, work very long hours and take a lot of abuse for relatively low pay

Iceheart, I understand your loyalty to your mother and her profession, however I was generalising, and teachers do whinge !
Do you think they are really underpaid ? because if you do you have not yet experienced the real world where underpaid is the norm !!!!
Long hours, getting up early, a hell of a lot of hard working lower paid people have to do that just to make ends meet !

My partner is a teacher, just like Iceheart's mum and she works similar sorts of hours.

They do get paid a half decent wage - only compared to people who work in places like macdonalds. She has been hit by a pupil once, and sworn at and spat on at various times. No wage is worth that hassle, no matter how good.

She is also saddled with a £10,000+ debt she accumulated putting herself through university and teacher training college, a large amount of which plus interest is taken from her salary every month for the next several years.

So, before you start judging, take time out to research why teachers 'whinge' as you claim.

My wife works as a classroom assistant, and I don't have to do much research. I am sick of hearing sob stories from well paid people about how hard their job is etc....and don't compare them to McDonalds employees, teachers are professionals earning professional salaries !
Millions of normal hard working people have debts and lower paid jobs and do not whinge !

A classroom assistant is a lot different from being a teacher.

I do know that, and I also know how much some of these teachers are paid and what they have to put up with. The point is they whinge about being underpaid etc !
Sorry I don't agree, they will not get any sympathy from me just like our fire fighter friends. Lots of people whinge about their jobs it seems to have become a national pastime, but if they are really that bad why don't they leave. I think reality bites when they think about the alternatives in the vast majority of cases !

I do agree with you about the firefighters and getting a different job.

My partner's original intentions were to be a biochemist but could not get a job due to lack of experience. She went into teaching as a stop gap until she could qualify for a biochemist job.

Well alchresearch, I wish your partner good luck in pursuit of that ambition as I would anyone who works hard to achieve their ambition. I am sure not all teachers whinge about their lot but my philosophy is that negativity is a big demoraliser and you have to know what bad is to appreciate good.

class room assitants dont have to go home with piles and piles of marking or plan lessons etc. this is the main time consumer of a teachers job.
knocking fire fighters now are we? lets just have a go at everyone shall we, who next? nurses? doctors perhaps all because they arent well paid for doin important jobs that this country couldn't run properly without.
they do these jobs not because they are well paid but because they want to help people. they could easily quit, but who would take their place? the NHS is overstretched as it is without people leaving, teachers arent exactly in plentiful supply these days either.

I only knock those who complain Iceheart, I know classroom assistants don't get the responsibility or the workload of a teacher, likewise they don't get the pay. The point I was making is that I am not totally ignorant to the teaching profession as had been suggested !
With regards to the firefighters I gave my opinions in another topic on this forum and quite a few held similar views.
Should we be so politically correct that we cannot criticise our public service employees ?????
I don't think so !!
As far as I know these people are trained and paid as professionals, all/some earn above/well above average salaries, get sick pay, good pensions, early retirement etc.. the majority of working people do not, but who complains the most ?
Furthermore they all have the same complaints - overstretched, heavy workloads, changes to working practice, underpaid etc !!!
Well that has been the case in almost every workplace for a long time !
Pay rises these days, if you are lucky enough to get them (and many don't), tend to come with strings attached (especially if you want increases above the going rate of inflation), employers want their productivity increases and workplace efficiency.
Our public service employees have accepted such offers (packages) over the years, taken the money and then complained about the strings !
Come on let's be honest is teaching really the bad job some of them would have us believe ?

What is your job, Michael-W?
Do you find you or your partner have experienced work conditions so demanding that you find it impossible to switch off?
Does your carreer make your character, temperament and psyche change for the worse, to make one consider medical advice? (not a great route to go down).
Does the constant raising of the "old chestnut" of teachers getting lots of holidays tend to annoy anyone who actually KNOWS what a teacher does in those holidays?
I believe ANYONE who feels underpaid isn't moaning because they like to moan. Surely there is a reason that any worker raises objections to their situation?
Ask yourself why certain careers are (and will continue to) suffer manpower shortages. Yet incentives go to recruitment, NOT retention in these professions. The NHS, for example, could be descibed as a business plan that was made (with the best intentions) in a time left behind at least 20 years ago.
Do you believe that people are fundamentally GREEDY, therefore, or are people generally wanting for a better quality of life?
You seem to believe that money can be an aid in easing stress. I agree, it helps tremendously, but you also seem to show some ignorance with regard to a variety of workplace conditions.
This is why I ask what your occupation is, as it seems you may consider yourself to be underpaid and working under less than satisfactory conditions, but are NOT moaning.

Maybe you're some sort of superhero. Where's my shark repellant spray, Robin? :wink:

Oh, I see you're a Skilled machinist. Don't tell me everyone just LOVES their work where you are! I'll bet the long winter nights just fly by, owing to the potential you have for being able to leave your work behind at the gate. Rather than carry the mental stress home, of someone dropping a screwdriver down the back of some where inaccessible, for example.

I'll bet you don't wake up in the morning, fearing a specific point in the forthcoming day, even though you tried your best to not think about it before you went to bed. Somehow your subconscious managed to drag up the fear, just in time to plant it at the front of your day.
Day in, Day out.
Clock in, clock off.
Night night.

tymr you sound a bit annoyed by my post, do you know anything about my job, the pay, the conditions or the work I do, furthermore what do you do for a living or don't you work (off due to stress maybe) ?
Care to explain your experiences, your experience of various workplace conditions perhaps....I assume you have some based on your comments ?

Stress is something some of us deal with better than others, tell me tymr, what would you rather have in the teaching profession, job shortages and losses or teacher shortages and opportunities, those who leave teaching do so by choice not necessity ?
I think having plenty of work is less stressfull than no work (unemployment) and the difficulties that brings - maybe you have never had to face that prospect !
Hours - Like many people in the manufacturing industry I have worked long hours, shiftwork, double shifts, weekends, holidays etc...ever heard the saying "hard work never killed anybody" ?

Go and tell redundant manufacturing workers how stressfull it is being an overworked teacher, I'm sure they will have the utmost sympathy.

BTW tymr You have to know what Bad is to appreciate Good !
And keep off the Prozac !

I worked in engineering, as a lathe turner and then CNC programmer in Sheffield and Chesterfield for many years and was made redundant no less than give times.

But, rather than just plod on I decided to retrain and change careers and I haven't looked back and wouldn't go back to the long hours, shifts and dirty work for anything.

I've served at the chalk face for a long time. I think I'm paid what I'm worth and I don't enjoy moaning. Happy? Well to a point. With a new initiative coming out every few months, its difficult to get one's bearings. I just want to be left alone, to do the job I know I can do.

My career is hugely rewarding and exciting. Occassionally, I can change a person's life. I have fun because I provide one of THE most personal services one can imagine to between 10 to 40 people per day.

The profession I am part of has one of the highest suicide rates amongst those recorded, and I have certainly seen the dark side since starting my ongoing professional development 17 years ago.

However, I was commenting on the state of the teacher's conditions and mental state, not mine. I asked your career to gather information about how much responsibility you have in your workplace. This, I believe, could contribute to the degree of mental stress a person is subjected to, rather than their payscale position.

Anyway, like alresearch says, one can always stop and retrain. The trouble is , it takes someone who cares to convince the person (many times) that they are in a position of mental stress, and that perhaps they ought to reconsider the career they have taken several years to reach.

I was a teacher for - 8 weeks! Teaching practice was OK but my 1st post was hell on a stick (I was on TP at Parkwood - used to be Herries - and it was a walk in the park by comparison!). I'm studying for an MSc in computing now...

I can't imagine lasting even that long had I not been trained.

Well done for being brave enough to make that change , and best wishes with your MSc... you have made a wise decision in choosing a career path with far more options.
The freedom that will give you is precious.

I am aware that one should ignore those who try to change your ambitions, but I am even more sure that ANYONE getting into teaching becomes very aware of the mistake they made.

The problem with manpower shortages in the teaching profession is one of retention, not of recruitment.

The pay structure appears to overload the teacher with additional responsibilities, in order to gain management points. Many keen YOUNG newly qualified teachers burn out quickly.

I have direct experience of how the teaching profession can turn people with the best intentions and dreams into persons quite the opposite.

What a load of rubbish. Teachers working overseas have larger classes and far less facilities than here in the UK ; and I never heard one complaining.

Teachers here are payed too much and have far too many holidays.

I've served at the chalk face for a long time. I think I'm paid what I'm worth and I don't enjoy moaning. Happy? Well to a point. With a new initiative coming out every few months, its difficult to get one's bearings. I just want to be left alone, to do the job I know I can do.

I like that phrase! Though from what I saw yesterday it's not a chalk face any more...
The problem with any public sector job is that it's under the control of a government which has to be seen to be doing something, and does that by changing targets, creating new initiatives and moving the goalposts every few months, regardless of whether something works or not! It's frustrating for the staff and doesn't do a great deal for morale.

As for the holidays issue - I know that teachers have to work in school holidays, but how many other professions get 13 weeks of paid 'holiday', when you don't have to go in and face the kids, or can work from home, and choose when you want to do the work that needs to be done in those weeks off. Just a thought...

I like that phrase! Though from what I saw yesterday it's not a chalk face any more...
The problem with any public sector job is that it's under the control of a government which has to be seen to be doing something, and does that by changing targets, creating new initiatives and moving the goalposts every few months, regardless of whether something works or not! It's frustrating for the staff and doesn't do a great deal for morale.

As for the holidays issue - I know that teachers have to work in school holidays, but how many other professions get 13 weeks of paid 'holiday', when you don't have to go in and face the kids, or can work from home, and choose when you want to do the work that needs to be done in those weeks off. Just a thought...

Teachers moan too much. They are overpaid and have good holidays. Get on with what we are paying you for and stop moaning.

Oh, I see you're a Skilled machinist. Don't tell me everyone just LOVES their work where you are! I'll bet the long winter nights just fly by, owing to the potential you have for being able to leave your work behind at the gate. Rather than carry the mental stress home, of someone dropping a screwdriver down the back of some where inaccessible, for example.

I'll bet you don't wake up in the morning, fearing a specific point in the forthcoming day, even though you tried your best to not think about it before you went to bed. Somehow your subconscious managed to drag up the fear, just in time to plant it at the front of your day.
Day in, Day out.
Clock in, clock off.
Night night.

If teaching is such hell and being a machinist such a breeze, why aren't teaching quitting and taking up Machining instead?
There are 4 teachers in my immediate family, I can't say that any of them seem to work all hours. It's certainly harder for the first few years, but once they've got a routine and lesson plans prepared from previous years, it all gets a lot easier (as far as I can see).
And 13 weeks annual leave isn't bad either.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to teach or I would be doing, but it's not a work house or cotton mill.

If teaching is such hell and being a machinist such a breeze, why aren't teaching quitting and taking up Machining instead?
There are 4 teachers in my immediate family, I can't say that any of them seem to work all hours. It's certainly harder for the first few years, but once they've got a routine and lesson plans prepared from previous years, it all gets a lot easier (as far as I can see).
And 13 weeks annual leave isn't bad either.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to teach or I would be doing, but it's not a work house or cotton mill.

WELL SAID SIR

Some interesting stuff on here - obviously from those who know teaching and some who obviously don't. I would have thought it difficult to assimilate teaching with many other professions - perhaps some years ago but not now. Off the top I would reckon staff in casualty on Friday and Saturday nights come close, firefighters at big protracted jobs, police in dangerous and difficult positions etc. When teachers are given 'death threats' from ne'er do wells who don't want to be in school, disrupting others' who do, it can get a bit hairy. The changing targets, kids who threaten violence and sometimes use it - the parents who have kids they can't control and blame teachers for literally everything, the changes in perceptions on life unless teachers are very lucky or have thick skins! I'm not surprised some can't or don't want to hack it and move on after literally £'000's have been spent training them. All a bit sad really - a potentially brilliant vocation, highly satisfying, worthwhile job marred by a small minority of unruly kids and successive Governments which all change for change sake to justify their position / ego?

A friend of mine has been studying for years and last year obtained a degree in mathematics. Since then he has applied for numerous posts in schools, colleges, night schools, day centres in and around Sheffield without success, why?

He has never taught before but is qualified, willing to work, wants to work but has been told that first he has to obtain a teaching qualification. To do this, he has to sit in a class whilst the qualified teacher is working.

Then at night has to take all the homework with him and mark it sometimes untill the early hours, then get up next morning to catch an early bus to the school exhausted. In addition to this he has been physically assaulted by pupils, but has been warned not to retaliate.

At fifty five years of age, it is a strain and feels that everything is being put against him to discourage his ambition. For all this he was offered the grand total of £6000 per annum.

I was under the impression that
Teachers were needed desperately, but he was told by the Education authority that there was no vacancies in Sheffield. We are being told different things by different people, how can we make sense of it all? :( :( :(

As always this thread has turned into the usual yawn of teachers sitting on their backsides for 13 weeks, walking into school at ten to nine and leaving at 3.30 whilst they've sat at their desks all day with well behaved children. I'm bored of commenting on all that so going back to the OP.

I don't understand what problem your friend has with training? I did a four year course and then a returners course as i didn't teach for a long time. Surely he can't just expect to walk into a classroom. My returners course i felt was woefully inadequate and the next year was a baptism of fire!
Your friend probably has in all honesty, made a huge mistake if he's not liking the marking as target setting, tracking, policy writing, coordinating a subject, making displays, attending out of school meetings, seeing parents, running after school clubs, further professional development and planning the lessons takes up a lot more time.Training year and NQT year are difficult as you've also got a professional portfolio to keep up to tip top condition but they just get replaced with other responsibilies.
I'd not advise anyone to join the profession unless they were completely into it, it's not an easy ride or a stop gap for anyone.

And the pay isn't that great. It takes 6 years to start earning a decent wage and the amount of things you pay out of your own pocket, no chance for any overtime...

Some interesting stuff on here - obviously from those who know teaching and some who obviously don't. I would have thought it difficult to assimilate teaching with many other professions - perhaps some years ago but not now. Off the top I would reckon staff in casualty on Friday and Saturday nights come close, firefighters at big protracted jobs, police in dangerous and difficult positions etc. When teachers are given 'death threats' from ne'er do wells who don't want to be in school, disrupting others' who do, it can get a bit hairy. The changing targets, kids who threaten violence and sometimes use it - the parents who have kids they can't control and blame teachers for literally everything, the changes in perceptions on life unless teachers are very lucky or have thick skins! I'm not surprised some can't or don't want to hack it and move on after literally £'000's have been spent training them. All a bit sad really - a potentially brilliant vocation, highly satisfying, worthwhile job marred by a small minority of unruly kids and successive Governments which all change for change sake to justify their position / ego?

Stop winging and get on with it. Teachers get good wages and plenty of holidays - too many - when we the public are paying for them.

I have seen teachers overseas with 80 in a class. They seldom received paid holidays and do private teaching to cover this loss of pay. I dare say they are just as qualifide as teachers here , maybe better qualifide.

there a lad a work with a degree in english and he is working in our callcentre, just doing staff rotas and the like. what a waste of an education

My husband works in an industry that is one of the lowest paid, has drunk people being rude and obnoxious at times, goes off to work at 9am returns at 2am the following morning 5 or 6 times a week, but he knew what it would be like and it was the career path that he chose.

I realise that teaching is demanding in all aspects often dealing with unruly children and sometimes the parents, but nearly all jobs have there negative points and nearly all are demanding. If anyone knows of a job that isn't please let me know!

If people are so unhappy with their work situation no matter the job there is always the option of a career change (although possibly a little difficult in the present climate)

there a lad a work with a degree in english and he is working in our callcentre, just doing staff rotas and the like. what a waste of an education

At least he receives a decent wage. You will find that ' all callcentre ' staff in India are degree educated and some supervisers MA so your colleague is not that bad off.

Teachers moan too much. They are overpaid and have good holidays. Get on with what we are paying you for and stop moaning.

Here we go again slag teachers off time, overpaid and underworked, as for your claim about classes of 80 abroad I cannot say whether that is true or not but maybe the children are better behaved. As for the hours worked I think you will find most teachers are in work for about 7.30 and leave after 4, then they take work home to mark and leave it on the table for the marking fairy to come and do while they sit and watch tv. We will see what happens with the EU if its 48 hour rule comes into force and teachers decide not to do after school classes and weekend sports events.

My wife works as a classroom assistant, and I don't have to do much research. I am sick of hearing sob stories from well paid people about how hard their job is etc....and don't compare them to McDonalds employees, teachers are professionals earning professional salaries !
Millions of normal hard working people have debts and lower paid jobs and do not whinge !

You really, really, have no comprehension. :rolleyes:

I am aware that one should ignore those who try to change your ambitions, but I am even more sure that ANYONE getting into teaching becomes very aware of the mistake they made.

The problem with manpower shortages in the teaching profession is one of retention, not of recruitment.



surely that depends on the subject? I am fairly certain there is a huge recruitment problem for physics teachers who actually have degrees in physics. And I thought maths had the same issues, so I would think if the OP does a PGCE he would get a teaching job easily.

You really, really, have no comprehension. :rolleyes:

Ha Ha this thread is almost 6 years old, nice of you to give your us your opinion, is perplexed your state of mind ?

What a load of rubbish. Teachers working overseas have larger classes and far less facilities than here in the UK ; and I never heard one complaining.

Teachers here are payed too much and have far too many holidays.

You've dug up a thread from 2003 just to say that?

PS If you'd listened to your teachers you may have discovered that the word is fewer not less, it's paid not payed and you don't need a semi-colon before the word and.

Here we go again slag teachers off time, overpaid and underworked, as for your claim about classes of 80 abroad I cannot say whether that is true or not but maybe the children are better behaved. As for the hours worked I think you will find most teachers are in work for about 7.30 and leave after 4, then they take work home to mark and leave it on the table for the marking fairy to come and do while they sit and watch tv. We will see what happens with the EU if its 48 hour rule comes into force and teachers decide not to do after school classes and weekend sports events.

A bad tradesman blames his tools. Many overseas teachers would cut their arm of for a job in the UK.

Get on with the job and think yourself lucky to have one.

Get on with the job and think yourself lucky to have one.

That is precisely what the teachers on this forum were doing, before you dug this thread up to be provocative.

Mind your head on the underside of that bridge.

That is precisely what the teachers on this forum were doing, before you dug this thread up to be provocative.

Mind your head on the underside of that bridge.

Honest opinion. If you do not like it hard lines.

Ho ho ho

Somebody else jealous of teachers' holidays?

I'm a teacher: I love aspects of my job; I hate aspects of my job. I whinge as much as others in other professions / directionless jobs.

Am more interested in why someone searched for and dragged up a 5 year old thread!

Re OP - your degree teaches you your subject - you need to be trained in how to teach students of all abilities. Teaching is seen as a professional position where post grad qualifications are a requirement. Get that, then you can teach in state schools

Honest opinion. If you do not like it hard lines.

I presume that you had a substandard English teacher when you were at school. That would explain your poor punctuation, sentence construction and your inability to sustain an argument. You have clearly resurrected a thread from years ago, with the intention of getting a response. That makes you a troll.

How about a challenge? You come to my school and teach eighty kids per class for 25 lessons a week. You will need a clean CRB check, before you are allowed to move freely around the place by yourself. You will also need to accept that you are responsible for the development of some agile minds and that you will need to adhere to some complex government requirements. Assuming that you can provide that, I'll give you three weeks before you change your mind.

Not the next three weeks, mind you, because we are all on holiday until January 5th. I suspect that even you could handle that bit.:hihi:

I presume that you had a substandard English teacher when you were at school. That would explain your poor punctuation, sentence construction and your inability to sustain an argument. You have clearly resurrected a thread from years ago, with the intention of getting a response. That makes you a troll.

How about a challenge? You come to my school and teach eighty kids per class for 25 lessons a week. You will need a clean CRB check, before you are allowed to move freely around the place by yourself. You will also need to accept that you are responsible for the development of some agile minds and that you will need to adhere to some complex government requirements. Assuming that you can provide that, I'll give you three weeks before you change your mind.

Not the next three weeks, mind you, because we are all on holiday until January 5th. I suspect that even you could handle that bit.:hihi:

I am not a teacher but looking at your standard of the English language my guess is you are a PE teacher.

Lots uf teachers go into the job for an easy life and get a wake up call within a short few weeks. If you can't handle the job, move on.

I am not a teacher but looking at your standard of the English language my guess is you are a PE teacher.

Lots uf teachers go into the job for an easy life and get a wake up call within a short few weeks. If you can't handle the job, move on.


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:hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:

No wonder the kids are leaving school with little education if people like you are teaching them.

Stop moaning and start doing a decent days work. If you do not like the job pack it in and find another line of work. The ' key ' word there is work :loopy:

No wonder the kids are leaving school with little education if people like you are teaching them.

Stop moaning and start doing a decent days work. If you do not like the job pack it in and find another line of work. The ' key ' word there is work :loopy:

No, Clifflad, the key word is "uf". Apostrophes and commas are also key elements of punctuation, but you clearly have limited knowledge of them.

Can we get back to the point?
....

What IS the point?

There are some teachers who moan cos they don't like their job? Just like there are some builders, postal workers, doctors, bin men, librarians, butchers, shop assistants et al who do not like their jobs either?!

Surely this thread is now about playground banter more than anything? :huh:

Chill. Someone's got to do every job, haven't they? Thank you Cliff for building my house, I couldn't do it! Likewise I'm fairly sure you couldn't teach children about complex sentences and where to put parentheses in a sentence.

We've all got our skills and all work bloomin hard.

Enjoy the Christmas break!

Can we get back to the point?
....

What IS the point?



I think the point is that 5 years ago some bloke didn't realise his mate needed a teaching qualification before he could become a teacher.

He did.

Still does.

HTH

Surely this thread is now about playground banter more than anything? :huh:

Chill. Someone's got to do every job, haven't they? Thank you Cliff for building my house, I couldn't do it! Likewise I'm fairly sure you couldn't teach children about complex sentences and where to put parentheses in a sentence.

We've all got our skills and all work bloomin hard.

Enjoy the Christmas break!

I will enjoy my two days break , hope you enjoy your three weeks !

So many teaching vacancies.

So many people claiming it to be the easiest, best paid profession in the world.

So, why so many vacancies ........ and why so many people who consider it to be so easy and well paid not queueing up to fill those vacancies?

After all, it's money for old rope .......................... isn't it?

So many teaching vacancies.

So many people claiming it to be the easiest, best paid profession in the world.

So, why so many vacancies ........ and why so many people who consider it to be so easy and well paid not queueing up to fill those vacancies?

After all, it's money for old rope .......................... isn't it?

YES YES YES YES

Ha Ha this thread is almost 6 years old, nice of you to give your us your opinion, is perplexed your state of mind ?

"Ha Ha"? :rolleyes:

"Ha Ha"? :rolleyes:

Sounds a bit like "ner ner nah ner ner." Or some other equally well put argument.

And thank you, I am aware of the age of the thread. But it all kind of goes to show that the same old drivel rears it's ugly head now and again, requiring some input to re-educate people to the nonsense being bandied about...

YES YES YES YES
Intelligent and well thought-out response ...... as expected.

"Ha Ha"? :rolleyes:

"Ha Ha"? :rolleyes:

Sounds a bit like "ner ner nah ner ner." Or some other equally well put argument.

And thank you, I am aware of the age of the thread. But it all kind of goes to show that the same old drivel rears it's ugly head now and again, requiring some input to re-educate people to the nonsense being bandied about...

Well perplexed, firstly you picked out one of several posts I made all those years ago and quoted it, replying with a one line comment, then posting about well put arguments without making much of a reasoned argument yourself. To be honest I'm not that bothered about this old thread and the original posters have probably moved on and forgot about it long ago.
I had an opinion back then which came across a bit bluntly but I had my reasons for that, all I will say is that even today I don't like people whinging when there are so many people worse off who have good reason to, but don't. Anyway Merry Christmas :thumbsup:

I have seen teachers overseas with 80 in a class. They seldom received paid holidays and do private teaching to cover this loss of pay. I dare say they are just as qualifide as teachers here , maybe better qualifide.

What's your point here?
Are you arguing that 80 in a class is a good thing (it isn't) or that these foreign teachers work harder (who knows) or that they don't complain (seems unlikely, everyone complains).
English qualifications are well respected across the world, I doubt that teachers in a 3rd world country are better qualified than teachers here.

I will enjoy my two days break , hope you enjoy your three weeks !

I would if I had three weeks off! I'm off the same as the majority of my non teaching friends - ten working days which is more than it usually is.

Surely if you wanted the same days off as everyone else Cliff, you have the option to take annual leave unless you work in the retail industry which would mean you wouldn't... and i've done my stint in that industry too.

Don't hate teachers so much, someone has to do it for a living. And yes i intend picking up no work until next monday - just like the majority of people would do on holiday.

Well perplexed, firstly you picked out one of several posts I made all those years ago and quoted it, replying with a one line comment, then posting about well put arguments without making much of a reasoned argument yourself. To be honest I'm not that bothered about this old thread and the original posters have probably moved on and forgot about it long ago.
I had an opinion back then which came across a bit bluntly but I had my reasons for that, all I will say is that even today I don't like people whinging when there are so many people worse off who have good reason to, but don't. Anyway Merry Christmas :thumbsup:

Just as you like...Other's may have posts which could be equally as blunt, but there you go! ;)

Oh, and a Happy Christmas to all, particularly the ones doing the unseen, unglamorous stuff at home over the festive period! :thumbsup: