Me & ma wurman, who is from London, she has fell in love with Sheffield & us upt north like, & are spending the weekend in Liverpool. Can anyone tell me of any good places to go to. She loves The Beatles, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, who I think came from Liverpool. So we are going to try to find The Cavern Club. I love real ale & so I am trying to find pubs along the line of Cask & Cutler, The Fat Cat etc. I have heard of one called The Ship & Mitre. Anyone been? Where in Liverpool is it? Thanks folks.

Avoid the Tate Gallery at all cost. It is full of hideous modernist rubbish.

Go to the top of the tower of the Anglican cathedral it's very high and you get a great view.

Originally posted by timo
Avoid the Tate Gallery at all cost. It is full of hideous modernist rubbish.

Is that the one at the Albert Dock?

I like that gallery :(

They have a nice Salvador Dali

This (http://www.usc.edu/schools/annenberg/asc/projects/comm544/library/images/742bg.jpg) one.

Originally posted by nick2
Go to the top of the tower of the Anglican cathedral it's very high and you get a great view.

Thanks. Nick2 Do you have to pay to go in? Whent to York last year & you have to pay £4.50 per person to go in The Minster. Used to be free.

There's far more to do in Liverpool than go to pubs, you know.

The town centre has classier shops than Sheffield, and there are plenty free (or cheap) museums and galleries in and around the city centre.

Originally posted by Abdul
There's far more to do in Liverpool than go to pubs, you know.

The town centre has classier shops than Sheffield, and there are plenty free (or cheap) museums and galleries in and around the city centre.

Thanks Abdul but I want a classey pub with a really good atmosphere & nice strong real ale. Believe me. Can you get Kelham Island Pale Rider anywhere or Liverpools equivalent? I need to know.

If you hear someone from the area speaking with a Mersyside type accent, don't assume that they are scousers. People from the west of manchester, cheshire and other areas can have very scouse like accents, and many of them would be offended to be mistaken as scousers.

In the centre of liverpool, I noticed that most of the house doorways are very low, and the same goes for the people, quite a short population too. No wonder Ken Dodd had so many diddymen!

Originally posted by Tim42
Thanks. Nick2 Do you have to pay to go in? Whent to York last year & you have to pay £4.50 per person to go in The Minster. Used to be free.

It was free I think, you get a lift up half way then walk up some very unsafe looking steps on the inside of the tower.

The ship and mitre is a great pub and can be found on Dale Street in the moorfields area.

This (http://www.shipandmitre.co.uk/) may help.

Both cathedrals are well worth seeing. I personally would avoid the Beatles exhibition in the Albert dock because it's ridiculously overpriced. Somehow, I think you'll be forced to go though if you're with a fan. If you go to the Cavern, it might be best to go in the daytime when the place has more of an ambiance to it. I would avoid Matthew Street at night time unless you like being surrounded by stag/hen parties. I find the bars around Bold Street and the rope walks area a lot better.

The cathedreal is free to get in, but I think you may have to pay to go up the tower. not too sure.

What is good to see in Liverpool?

All four alloys still on your car when you get back to the NCP

Originally posted by smedley
What is good to see in Liverpool?

All four alloys still on your car when you get back to the NCP

Thats a laugh. I wondered how long it would take to get a comment like that.

Why does the river Mersey run through Liverpool? Because if it walked it would get mugged. Right thats been said. I want to know the good & interesting things. All right there lar?

The Ship and Mitre is a good CAMRA pub.

You should also think about taking the (...altogether now...) "Ferry, 'cross the Mersey". I always thought it was a bit cheesy, but when I took my friends form Birmingham on it they couldn't stop grinning and saying, "I can't believe I'm on a real ferry going accross the Mersey". You get lovely views of the famous waterfront from the river. Wrap up warm though - it gets a bit breezy!

Also check out Cavern Walks for classy shops and a nice cafe or two. As Andy78 said, Matthew St is fine during the day, but gets a bit rowdy at night. If you're looking for a nice bar/restaurant for the evening you could head down to the Albert Dock (not real ale though).

Hope that helps
Have fun, and say hello to the Mersey from me (I really miss it!).

Abdul,
Is it actually possible to, 'have a nice Salvador Dali'?!

I'd also like to point out one of my favourite pubs, 'The Pilgrim'. It's well hidden down a cobbled street (Pilgrim Street) off Hardman Street (straight up bold street from central station). It's one of Liverpool's well kept secrets. Lovely pub, with a lovely crowd, cheap beer prices and some good local ale.

Just found This (http://www.beerintheevening.com/) site. You can search a city's pubs and check out their ratings.

Whats good to see in Liverpool?

The road out. :P

The Anglican Cathedral is a must-see. It's simply awe-inspiring, and yes, that's coming from an atheist. However, I have a feeling the tower MAY be closed because they're installing new lifts - worth a visit anyway though.

You have to go inside the Catholic Cathedral too - it's completely bathed in the light from the stained glass, and is very beautiful. Both cathedrals are close together, at either end of Hope Street.

Also on Hope Street is the Philharmonic pub with its ornate and spectacular styling. The gents' toilets are so impressive that apparently, women are allowed to go and look at them if they get permission from the bar staff!

The Everyman Theatre bistro (Hope Street again!) is a real ale paradise and has excellent, very modestly priced grub. Sounds like it could be up your street even though it's not exactly a pub.

Another good pub to eat in is the Baltic Fleet on Wapping, across the main road from the Albert Dock. Good beer and top quality nosh upstairs.

Tate Gallery, Walker Art Gallery, Maritime Museum are all good. There's a Beatles memorabilia shop on Mathew Street (or somewhere on one of those little streets round there) which wouldn't be where I'd go, but again, if you're with a fan that whole area is probably worth a trip.

Don't forget to visit the Customs and Excise National Museum (http://www.visitliverpool.com/displayproduct.asp?RelatedFacility=867&EssentialLiverpool=7&productkey=7755) and see where all your taxes go :thumbsup:

http://www.visitliverpool.com/

Just remembered - the Livepool Duck Tour is a really good thing to do if you want a quick sightseeing tour round the city and docks. You go in a genuine world war 2 amphibious vehicle that drives round the central district then splashes down into the water and sails around the docks! I've done it and it's recommended:

http://www.theyellowduckmarine.co.uk/home.htm

(Be aware though - there's an immense construction project currently underway in Liverpool city centre. Don't be surprised if you come across possibly the biggest building site you'll ever see... ;-)

http://www.liverpoolpsda.co.uk/

Originally posted by Abdul
Don't forget to visit the Customs and Excise National Museum (http://www.visitliverpool.com/displayproduct.asp?RelatedFacility=867&EssentialLiverpool=7&productkey=7755) and see where all your taxes go :thumbsup:

http://www.visitliverpool.com/

Thanks Abdul. Is this not known in Liverpool as ''The Vatican City''?

Originally posted by Tim42
Thanks Abdul. Is this not known in Liverpool as ''The Vatican City''?

I see... VAT-ican... :D

That may refer to the actual Customs & Excise building, which is on the waterfront a few hundred metres away from the museum.

Originally posted by smedley
What is good to see in Liverpool?

All four alloys still on your car when you get back to the NCP


Shove it up your a***e

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/4324843.stm

i'd never been burgled to i moved here.

But wouldnt be surprised if someone like you claimed that the reason liverpool isnt in the top 10 most burgled cities is because scousers all go to other cities to do their thieving.

I didn't know alloys on a car in an NCP came under household theft.

Come on kids, play nice :thumbsup:

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I took an American friend to Liverpool & did the BEATLES tour. It was about 10 years ago & I wouldn't be sure if they still run it.
It was fab, you go round the city on The Magical Mystery Tour bus, & it has thousands of stop-offs so you can all get off & take photos.
It plays BEATLES music over really tinny scratchy speakers under the commentary.
Thoroughly enjoyed it.

Great way to meet lots of nice international tourists too:)

Originally posted by adlinds
I didn't know alloys on a car in an NCP came under household theft.

No, it probably doesnt, but who said it did?

The point i was implying was that seeing as there are more house burglaries in sheffield than liverpool one could suggest that there are more thieves, which would be a more sound suggestion than the one smedley was implying - that there is a good chance of your wheels being stolen if you park in liverpool.

At least i put a link to some stats to back up my argument - where is smedleys proof?

Yep, they still run the Magical Mystery Tour. I live near Penny Lane and my kids always like to wave to the bus when it goes past.

There's info on this page somewhere:

http://www.cavern-liverpool.co.uk/

The Metropolitan Catholic Cathedral is a must (better known as 'Paddy's wigwam' - you'll see why from the exterior appearance). The stained glass windows are awesome.

Walk from there to the other end of Hope Street, and visit the Anglican cathedral.

On your way back to the car, you must call into the Philharmonic public house - which I believe is now a listed building. Visit the loo! Seriously - go and see the gents toilet.

If you are into architecture, remember that Toxteth has more Georgian buildings than Bath. Have a walk around and see.

The Walker Art Gallery is a must. Don't forget to see the Three Graces on the waterfront - best viewed if you take a ferry 'cross the Mersey (but don't disembark at Birkenhead - just stay on board for the round trip).

The Tate of the North does have some good touring exhibitions from time to time, but there is plenty to see around the Albert Dock if you're not too fussed with art and museums.

Have a nice day out!

Originally posted by 2fat2run
No, it probably doesnt, but who said it did?

The point i was implying was that seeing as there are more house burglaries in sheffield than liverpool one could suggest that there are more thieves, which would be a more sound suggestion than the one smedley was implying - that there is a good chance of your wheels being stolen if you park in liverpool.

At least i put a link to some stats to back up my argument - where is smedleys proof?

Don't stress dude. Scouser baiting is quite a popular sport in other parts of the country. To be fair I find it quite amusing as long as it doesn't get too personal. Yorkshire has as many comical stereotypes as Liverpool just different ones. Take it light heartedly. :)

Originally posted by Andy78
Yorkshire has as many comical stereotypes as Liverpool just different ones. Take it light heartedly. :)

Yes...do we still have our annual Peter Sutcliffe Award for services to Women in the Community :hihi:

Paddy's Wig Wam is a must. Forget The Cavern, as you know the original was shut down, this one is nothing like the original. I have been to both. Beware down the Dock Road if you stay at The Camponille, can be dodgy!!!!!! The statue of Eleanor Rigby. Try to see Strawberry Fields Home if it hasn't been pulled down. And take in The Steamship, a pub shaped like the bow of a ship, the last place in Liverpool press ganging took place for the king's shilling. Inside you could imagine it still does.

Yes, the Walker Art Gallery is, in complete contrast to the Tate with its celebration of disgusting scrawlings, and ludicrous 'installations', full of beautiful and great art. Red Robbo is also right to mention the Philharmonic pub, near the University, which has a very convivial atmosphere. The Anglican Cathedral is surely one of the most beautiful buildings in the world, as is St George's Hall, near Lime Street. Personally, I dislike the exterior of the Catholic Cathedral, which looks like a giant firework. Inside, however, there is, as Red says, some sublimely beautiful stained glass.

Bohemian types may enjoy shopping on Bold Street. However, there is the danger of accidentally meeting the 'actress', Margi Clarke, who regularly 'shimmies down Boldy'. The street is not to my taste, except for the wonderful store called Mattas, which stocks esoteric cooking ingredients and foodstuffs etc. There are too many beggars, young, unwanted, angry young playwrights, self-appointed street entertainers, and left wing bookshops here for my taste, but I imagine the Guardian-reading classes would like it.

A place to avoid at all cost is the terrible, hellish St. John's Centre, which may have been named after either Ian St John or Saint John, the patron saint of incapacity benefit. I cannot remember which.

Originally posted by timo
but I imagine the Guardian-reading classes would like it.

LOL! You're right timo - I do! (Always enjoy your posts mate even while vehemently disagreeing - you have a spectacular way with words).

Vehemently agree about St. Johns shopping centre though. Truly disgusting.

Damon,
That is a very nice thing to say. I am glad that my postings [usually made to avoid work!] cause pleasure. I am surprised that I get away with so much, to be honest. The really nice thing is, many of the pms I get are from lefties who disagree with my politics, but enjoy the vituperation all the same.

Re Liverpool. I live in Southport [ex pat Sheffielder], but have worked in Liverpool now since 1997. The people really are very kind and good-natured, on the whole. Of course, if one had to, one could produce an example of a 'Jimmy Corkhill'- type; self-dramatising, politically militant, light-fingered, overly -sentimental etc. Such tiresome beings do exist. However, they appear to be in a minority. I would always advocate kindness towards this misunderstood, strange, almost childlike people, with their short, bracheocephalic, pre-Celtic heads, and sing-song elvish tongue. They are, as ethnological/genetic studies have shown, a people apart from the rest of England. One tends to regard them as a fossil people, living as they do in remote enclaves such as Litherland and Bootle. It is rumoured that the inhabitants of Kirkby have yet to reach the Erectus stage of evolution, but it is not polite to talk openly of such matters. Yes, we should always show them kindness. Mind you, I would never invite one for tea. Not unless I was having 'Oven chips'.

Originally posted by timo
Yes, the Walker Art Gallery is, in complete contrast to the Tate with its celebration of disgusting scrawlings, and ludicrous 'installations', full of beautiful and great art.


timo reminds me of my first visit to the Tate of the North. A Liverpudlian friend and I went to see what was on offer. There was a touring exhibition of minimalist art. I recall fluorescent light tubes fixed to a wall, and a pile of bricks scattered on the floor, and suchlike. I didn't pretend to understand any of it, but dutifully tried to educate myself by reading all the labels, but remained no wiser.

As we left the gallery, there was a beautiful piece of wood near the door. It had shape and form, and stood out amongst the other ghastly exhibitions. We searched for a label, but none there was. We moved on to view the permanent exhibitions. To our surprise, we found identical pieces of wood in each of the other galleries. That's when we realised they were the curator's chairs!

I have subsequently seen a Miro exhibition there - but timo would probably dismiss that as "disgusting scrawlings"? But do go and see for yourself what's on offer, and make up your own mind!

What is good to see in Liverpool?

How about the sign that says 'You are now leaving Liverpool'?

Only joking, it's nice really, had some good nights there.

Originally posted by Agent Gypo
What is good to see in Liverpool?

How about the sign that says 'You are now leaving Liverpool'?


At least it has decent motorway links into the city centre, unlike our miserable efforts :(

You can see Fred Talbot's weather map floating outside the Tate Gallery though, or at least you could last time I went which was a few years ago to see a Dali exhibition (sorry Timo!). Actually I was distinctly underimpressed with both the exhibition (due to the paucity of exhibits not their quality) and the city and couldn't wait to get out of there.

Originally posted by timo
their short, bracheocephalic, pre-Celtic heads, and sing-song elvish tongue. They are, as ethnological/genetic studies have shown, a people apart from the rest of England.

Your expertise in the racial sciences never fails to astound me timo. :D

Red Robbo,
This is exactly it! How do you know which is the 'art' and which is the furniture? Of course, some demented bloody fool will justify it all, with reference to Derrida, Lyotard etc. It reminds me, although going off thread, of the 'artist' who was awarded an Arts Grant in the early 80s for sweeping leaves 'artistically' in Edinburgh...

When I visited I thought the Maritime Museam was ok. The queue was too big for the Beatles so didn't bother with that. The town centre is much better than Sheffield.

The sign reading 'Thank you for visiting Liverpool' as your leaving!

Originally posted by Lickszz
When I visited I thought the Maritime Museam was ok. The queue was too big for the Beatles so didn't bother with that. The town centre is much better than Sheffield.


Virtually any city (or town for that matter) centre is better then Sheffield's at the moment

Best thing to see in liverpool has to be the CHAVS

Theres millions of the things everywhere :heyhey:

best thing................
the road out ..............

Originally posted by crowefan
best thing................
the road out ..............

Hey, surely this joke is funny enough to stand repeating again? I mean, we've only had it 4 times in this thread. 7 or 8 times would still be hilarious. No, really, it would. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Damon
Hey, surely this joke is funny enough to stand repeating again? I mean, we've only had it 4 times in this thread. 7 or 8 times would still be hilarious. No, really, it would. :rolleyes:

It's funnier still from people who've probably never left South Yorkshire, let alone been to Liverpool.

The people are generally unpopular these days though, it has to be said. Several surveys on British regional accents and the images associated with them have been conducted, and to my knowledge, the Liverpool accent emerges as very unpopular, and associated with recidivism, militancy and trouble in general. Perhaps the rising inflection at the end of every sentence lends perfectly ordinary conversation an air of grievance?

Liverpudlians are perfectly aware of the prejudice, and a kind of laager mentality [nothing to do with Holsten] seems to have emerged. Many I know do not 'feel' English. This is not just because their family trees contain more Irish surnames than English ones, it is because they rightly perceive the philosophical gulf between themselves and the rest of England. Most the English now lead privatised, home-based lifestyles. In contrast, there are many communities in Liverpool where old-style, working class communal feeling is common. They are often bewildered and genuinely taken aback at the hostility towards them, perceiving themselves as friendly, generous, decent people.

They frustrate and anger me at times, because my protestant Yorkshire upbringing taught me not to openly whinge about things, not to care too much about how others see me, and to see work as a virtue in itself. However, I am sometimes pulled up short. My wife lost a ridiculously expensive Mont Blanc pen before Xmas, whilst speaking at a conference. She was distraught. Several non-Liverpudlian colleagues engaged in the predictable Scouse-bashing line about light-fingered locals. The next day, after contacting the venue, she found that an elderly Liverpudlian cleaning lady had found it, kept it literally beneath her pillow and handed it in the next day.

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