If first south yorkshire were took of the streets of sheffield and rotherham which other bus operater would you pick?

Should that be which other bus operater would you be forced to choose?

I'd be left with Yorkshire Traction. Or those Barnsley & Doncaster random efforts.

I'd prefer to use the Stagecoach Supertram, but we peasants in S5 are not deemed worthy enough.

Never mind, I'd just take my car instead. I've got free city centre parking that I hardly use!

Originally posted by Abdul
Should that be which other bus operater would you be forced to choose?

I'd be left with Yorkshire Traction. Or those Barnsley & Doncaster random efforts.

I'd prefer to use the Stagecoach Supertram, but we peasants in S5 are not deemed worthy enough.

Never mind, I'd just take my car instead. I've got free city centre parking that I hardly use!

yes! it's which bus operater which you'd be forced to choose

Originally posted by sigmar14
yes! it's which bus operater which you'd be forced to choose Mainline pre first ?

As this Forum is now being taken over with Bus related issues i feel the time has come for one Super Bus Thread.
So why dont we all post any stories we have relating to the bus service in Sheffield here.

Anything relating to the follow

Rubbish service(first,Terrier,stagecoach), numpty drivers,near misses,Drivers having a fag,driving with ear pieces in,going through red lights,turning up late,not turning up at all,nice experiences,cancelled routes,new routes,fare rises,fare reductions,strikes,vandelism,diversions,how do i get to?what time is?which is better? etc.

On the main Forum page at 12.22 on the 08/04/05 we have no fewer than 12!! threads on Bus related issues,past a joke me thinks!

Mods how about closing the others threads down and going with this idea?Before we all go mad.

Yours

Unners

Originally posted by unners
As this Forum is now being taken over with Bus related issues i feel the time has come for one Super Bus Thread.
So why dont we all post any stories we have relating to the bus service in Sheffield here.

Anything relating to the follow

Rubbish service(first,Terrier,stagecoach), numpty drivers,near misses,Drivers having a fag,driving with ear pieces in,going through red lights,turning up late,not turning up at all,nice experiences,cancelled routes,new routes,fare rises,fare reductions,strikes,vandelism,diversions,how do i get to?what time is?which is better? etc.

On the main Forum page at 12.22 on the 08/04/05 we have no fewer than 12!! threads on Bus related issues,past a joke me thinks!

Mods how about closing the others threads down and going with this idea?Before we all go mad.

Yours

Unners

Dont forget whinging bus passengers as well.

OK :clap: Today, at about 20:15 I saw the X78 go down Brightside lane past me & stop at the traffic lights on the 'bend'. From my vantage point, as a pedestrian, I saw the back seat full of non-caucasians lounging with their baseball caps & moble phones - one even had his feet up on the back of the seat in front..
Ergodynamically, that position must have been so painfull to maintain appear COOL. Diquead.



Any wonder why I am now a pedestrian & not a FIRST user :rant:

Originally posted by d71146
Dont forget whinging bus passengers as well.

You also missed out spitting on buses. There's a thread on this subject too.

which do you think is the worst bus company in sheffield and rotherham? please vote and write down why you have voted for who you have chosen!!!

the 253 from jordo to crystal peaks is a joke always late sometimes never shows up at all crapy stagecoach stay in chesterfield where you belong!!!

does'nt any body else have a bad experiance on a bus if so please write it down
thanks!

WHAT'S UP EVERYONE SHY?
WHY ARN'NT YOU VOTING?
PLEASE

Originally posted by sigmar14
WHAT'S UP EVERYONE SHY?
WHY ARN'NT YOU VOTING?
PLEASE

Because theres a million other threads on buses and how bad they are and they are getting boring, search before you post!

I have to agree, we do seem to be awash with threads about bus related topics over the last few days. One combined thread would make much more sense IMO; a bit like Bladeschat etc.

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
OK :clap: Today, at about 20:15 I saw the X78 go down Brightside lane past me & stop at the traffic lights on the 'bend'. From my vantage point, as a pedestrian, I saw the back seat full of non-caucasians lounging with their baseball caps & moble phones - one even had his feet up on the back of the seat in front..
Ergodynamically, that position must have been so painfull to maintain appear COOL. Diquead.



Any wonder why I am now a pedestrian & not a FIRST user :rant:

That is exactly why people will not use buses in the evening or at all in some cases because as I have mentioned before the majority travelling are just scroates such as you describe perhaps the way forward is to stop these 40p fares after a certain time at night.

do you think the end game's up for first south yorkshire do you think that if they dissapered off the street's of sheffield for good we could cope with just yorkshire terrier busses that do not run in the evenings or on sundays or is it time for another major bus company to operate in sheffield like arriva serving yorkshire, stagecoach in south yorkshire who operate 7 bus services in rotherham and 8 bus services in sheffield or do you think that we should keep first who have good services the only problem is the fares they need to be cheaper. if you could vote who would you be forced to pick?
please vote in the poll and then write down why you have chosen that company.
thanks
sigmar14!!!

i would choose arriva serving yorkshire because they only operate one route in sheffield which i have never been on but i think that it could be a fresh start for south yorkshire because stagecoach buses are often filthy and never show up on time first south yorkshire bus fares are too high abd yorkshire terrier buses don't run in the eveningfs and on sundays and tm travel enough said if they had enough buses to operate just one decent bus timetable in sheffield then i might consider voting for them.

my vote goes to arriva serving yorkshire!

Oh my God!,,,yet another tedious Bus thread.

They all appear to be started by the same user... Hmm are you thinking what I'm thinking?!:suspect:

Originally posted by caprice
They all appear to be started by the same user... Hmm are you thinking what I'm thinking?!:suspect:

If you're thinking 'yawn', then yes I am!

If you're thinking 'yawn', then yes I am!

Lol, well yes, but that wasn't quite what I was thinking... Guess again :P

Sigma, you obviously have a bee in your bonnet about public transport in Sheffield.
Instead of pestering us, why don't you go and learn some basic economics and then pester your MP.

Originally posted by caprice
They all appear to be started by the same user... Hmm are you thinking what I'm thinking?!:suspect:

isnt that very similar to the conservative slogan this election..... if so, then no :)

you cant beat tm travel for price punctuality and cleanliness:thumbsup:

We are awash with multiple bus threads posted by the same person, have the mods had a word??

edited: SIGMAR14 is his name

Originally posted by jubby
We are awash with multiple bus threads posted by the same person, have the mods had a word??

edited: SIGMAR14 is his name
sorry man but that was last night when i joined just getting to know the forum and i'm not the only one with these thred's try looking else where i've started 4 and not doing it again!!!!

Originally posted by d71146
That is exactly why decent people will not use buses in the evening or at all in some cases because as I have mentioned before the majority travelling are just scroates such as you describe perhaps the way forward is to stop these 40p fares after a certain time at night.

what nonesense is this? Decent people won't use the bus because there are some non caucasians on the bus wearing baseball caps??? If these so called decent people feel like that then I hope it rains on them as they walk there bigotted asses around.

Arriva isnt that the company with the absolutely terrible train service where they pile em on like cattle.
someone took them over didnt they.

sigmar14,

I can give you the contact details for the SYPTE who will be only too pleased to explain how Public transport in South Yorkshire works.

If First Mainline were to crash and burn then we'd be up that famous South African waterway, Sheet Crick, without a paddle.

The other operators put together don't have anywhere near the vehicles needed to maintain the existing network in the County.

Joe

Originally posted by tara
Arriva isnt that the company with the absolutely terrible train service where they pile em on like cattle.
someone took them over didnt they.


Well Arriva weren't that bad, i used to catch their trains everyday and they were alot better than their predecessors.

As for the bus issue, Yorkshire Traction please!

GET RID OF FIRST!!!! Bring in STAGECOACH..... I can see it now...

STAGECOACH SHEFFIELD
STAGECOACH SOUTH YORKSHIRE
the peoples choice!

if you get rid of first and stagecoach come in stagecoach will have to operate in sheffield and rotherham!

Originally posted by 1Man&hisBMW
isnt that very similar to the conservative slogan this election..... if so, then no :)


Heh heh...best response yet :lol:

Yawwwwwwwwn these bus threads are very interesting, the forum should be called www.sheffieldstartasmanybusthreadsasyoucanforum.co .uk

Oh by the way,for those of you that take things too seriously the above is not a real web site.
I hope this will prevent people starting a thread about a bad link to the site and playing on it for months on end.
Even to the point where they start little off shoot threads about the same topic,the fact that the thread will have been hammered to death wil make no difference.

I couldn't care less which buses run in Sheffield as long as they are on time they go to where I want to go and they're in decent nick.
All these different private bus companies running around annoy me I much preferred the situation several years ago when it wa one bus company with subsidised fares that was regular and seemed to go everywhere including the bus station, what a waste of money it was when that was rebuilt!!

Remember Sheafline and the drivers jingle,
"I know that bus is right ontime,
Cause that bus is from sheafline.

Last Updated: Wednesday, 13 April, 2005, 07:28 GMT 08:28 UK

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Purge on public transport vandals

Stations, buses and trains have been targeted by graffiti vandals
Police, bus and rail operators across Yorkshire are mounting a purge on vandals who deface and damage public transport vehicles in the region.
And the Crimestoppers charity is offering a reward of up to £1,000 for people who ring in with the name of anyone attacking buses or trains.

Posters featuring common graffiti "tags" or etches are being distributed in a bid to snare the culprits.

Transport officials say the cost of repairs is escalating.

Hitting services

Det Sgt Ian Froggett, the regional co-ordinator from Crimestoppers said: "Such vandalism is a costly eyesore and it increases the fear of crime.

"What we're asking the public to do is ring us on 0800 555111 with information about the individuals they believe to be responsible."

Phil Stone, Arriva Yorkshire's managing director added: "Graffiti and etching not only costs money, it means that buses have to be taken off the road for repairs.

"The result is that vital services cannot be operated, inconveniencing customers."

Ch Insp Terry Nicholson of British Transport Police said: "Graffiti is not an art, it is vandalism in these circumstances and it is a blight on the area where it occurs."

Plain clothed police will be travelling on buses and trains aiming to identify and arrest anyone causing criminal damage.

The most common areas that it is happening is Doncaster,Bently,Edlington and Rossington Rotherham,Eastwood,Dalton,Thrybergh,Rawmarsh and Maltby
Sheffield,Manor,Low Edges,Batemoor and Shiregreen

Be warned! on all the new First buses in South Yorkshire have C.C.T.V. if you commit a crime you will be caught. you have been warned!!!

That is excellent sigmar.
The more of these people that are caught, the better for us all.

<<<<Waits for reply" But what do they do with them when the catch em"?

It has to be a step in the right direction

bus company fines them i surpose and might consider the coucil to give them asbo's to the constant offenders.

Police would like help to identify two white youths who boarded a First Bus on Fitzwilliam Road In Eastwood,Rotherham on Saturday 19th February at approx 5.00pm. Whilst sitting on the upper deck towards the rear of the bus, names are scorched into the upholstery to six seats, causing £500 worth of damage.

Originally posted by viking
That is excellent sigmar.
The more of these people that are caught, the better for us all.

<<<<Waits for reply" But what do they do with them when the catch em"?

It has to be a step in the right direction

what exactly do you mean?

booooo

but even as a graffiti artist i agree that most etching and tags on trams buses etc is done by idiots just writing their name,and gives a bad name to proper graffiti

15 April 2005

Transport bosses will next week (Sunday 24th April) launch a new travel ticket that makes using local public transport easier than ever.

For the first time, passengers will be able to buy from their bus driver a day ticket that is valid on all local buses, trains and trams.

It is hoped the new South Yorkshire Day Tripper, which is valid on all buses, trains and trams, will tempt more people to leave their cars at home in favour of public transport.

For £3.95 the Day Tripper offers the freedom to travel around South Yorkshire and to make life even easier you can now buy it 'on the go' on most buses, as well as from any Travel Information Centre.

"In the past, if you wanted complete freedom to travel, you had to pay for each individual journey or go to a Travel Information Centre to buy a ticket in advance", says David Brown, Passenger Services Director at the Transport Executive.

"We want to make using public transport as easy as possible, and knowing you can get this flexible ticket from most bus drivers makes things much simpler."

Mr Brown added he hoped the new Day Tripper ticket will encourage more people to use public transport as an alterative to the car.

"Many people do not realise that a double decker bus carries the same number of people as 40 cars and it is going there anyway - so by making the switch to public transport they are helping to reduce congestion on South Yorkshire's roads."

During the week the new Day Tripper ticket can be used throughout the day on buses and trams and on trains which are scheduled to depart after 09.30. At weekends and bank holidays there are no time restrictions.

Duncan Roberts, Chairman of BOSSY, the organisation that represents transport operators in the county, welcomed the new ticket.

He said; "The Day Tripper is the first multi-modal ticket which can be bought from the bus driver and it is a good example of how operators are working together to suit the needs of the passenger."

It does sound interesting, and would work out a lot cheaper if you were making a combined bus, tram, journey. I'll definatly give it a try.

However, I'd like to see more information. As i'm sure it does seem too good to be true (and i'm might be missing something)

They did something like this back in the early 80's. Out and about I think they were called

Who hoo :clap:

Ded handy for shopping around town.

The train is best for me to get to town, coz it's quickest, but you're faced with the hike up hill into town unless you fork out for the tram, and it all starts to add up.

Do you think a First driver will be cross if I stick my hand out and buy a ticket from him - so I can catch the train :D

Well over due this ticket if successful we may be able to get an all operator rover weekly ticket from the driver/conductor!! I wonder if all the income recorded on the ticket machine for the day tripper goes to the PTE for them to portion out?

Sounds like a plan to me! It'll make going to Meadowhall for the day slightly cheaper!

great, a way to trave by public transport and get in fist buses as little as possible, if i werent a student, i would be really happy

its about time they came out with this ticket there as been that many rumors flying about that they were going to fetch out this ticket and when asked about it the reply I got what ticket it is news to me. lets hope it takes off as it would help me a great deal there will be know qeueing at the train station for a ticket and if you are late for the train at least you can get on knowing that you have got a valid ticket and it will be cheaper on the train, whats the price a single to doncaster is about £3 .25 or it could be more havent been on the train for a while spent quite a few hours on the station though.

Is there any talk of having a child version of this, as i have a 16-18 pass, and this ticket would be handy for getting to and from colllege, but at the moment it works out cheaper just to buy 40's all the way. They have had this system in london ever since i can remember.

If I weren't beeing riptted off of 8 quid a week for me First only bus pass I'd defo use it.

You can get away with a First 7 day or month saver and get an 'Adda' for 70 or 80p on the Tram. :)

I'd get the SouthYorkshire travel Master, but 55 quid or so is bit itchy !

This sounds excellent. I'll definitely be able to use it some days - though 3.95 does seem very expensive. It means that you have to make 4 single journeys to make it worthwhile.

As others have commented - you can buy a tram pass for £2.50 and then pay an extra 70p for each Yorkshire Terrier yourney and 80p for each First MainCrappyLine journey.

so 2.50 + 80 + 80 = 4.10.

Actually - it's not great value - but it's good to see some progress with a proper ticketing scheme.

Originally posted by ptigga
This sounds excellent. I'll definitely be able to use it some days - though 3.95 does seem very expensive. It means that you have to make 4 single journeys to make it worthwhile.

As others have commented - you can buy a tram pass for £2.50 and then pay an extra 70p for each Yorkshire Terrier yourney and 80p for each First MainCrappyLine journey.

so 2.50 + 80 + 80 = 4.10.

Actually - it's not great value - but it's good to see some progress with a proper ticketing scheme.

You can only get a travel adder if you have a weekly pass not a day saver.

This ticket is basically an off-peak day travelmaster (the normal day travelmaster is £4.95) but with the much overdue facility of buying it from the driver on the bus.

You are right in that if you are just getting a couple of buses and a tram within Sheffield it isn't such good value, but if you are going further into South Yorkshire it looks better.

For example
Woodseats to City Centre by First bus £1.20
Train Sheffield to Doncaster cheap day return £3.50
City Centre to Woodseats by Stagecoach bus £0.90

TOTAL £5.60

Thats a saving of £1.65, and thats assuming in this theoretical journey you don't get a bus when you get to Doncaster.

And as bigkev points out, it saves the hassle of queuing up to buy a ticket from the train station, and finding the change for the return bus.

will it cover north derbyshire aswell ?

no it will not cover derbyshire!

Originally posted by Andy C
This ticket is basically an off-peak day travelmaster (the normal day travelmaster is £4.95) but with the much overdue facility of buying it from the driver on the bus.

You are right in that if you are just getting a couple of buses and a tram within Sheffield it isn't such good value, but if you are going further into South Yorkshire it looks better.

For example
Woodseats to City Centre by First bus £1.20
Train Sheffield to Doncaster cheap day return £3.50
City Centre to Woodseats by Stagecoach bus £0.90

TOTAL £5.60

Thats a saving of £1.65, and thats assuming in this theoretical journey you don't get a bus when you get to Doncaster.

And as bigkev points out, it saves the hassle of queuing up to buy a ticket from the train station, and finding the change for the return bus.

i surpose that it will be cheaper but you can't buy it before 9:30 am monday to fridays but weekends and public holidays have no time limits.

i will certanily be buying one.

it's also reminds me of the london bus card system were all bus operators work together to make the passengers feel better

The way i read the press release is that you can buy the Day Tripper ticket before 0930 Monday to Friday with the restriction being you can only use a SY train after 0930.This is similar to the conditions of using a Derbyshire Wayfarer ticket.

must not have read it reight thanks silvernight!

Spit. It's Out!

'Spit and run - you'll still get caught' is the message being driven home by
transport bosses and South Yorkshire Police to anyone who spits at public
transport staff.

As part of a crack down on anti-social behaviour on public transport, bus
drivers, tram conductors and interchange staff across South Yorkshire will
be issued DNA swab kits.

The joint initiative between the SAFE Partnership - Supporting A Friendly
Environment on all types of public transport - and South Yorkshire Police
will mean offenders are no longer invisible - they can be traced and
prosecuted through their DNA.

Speaking on behalf of all bus and tram operators in South Yorkshire, Duncan
Roberts, chairman of BOSSY (Bus Operators Serving South Yorkshire) said the
DNA kits are the first step to combating anti-social behaviour towards
public transport staff.

"Although spitting incidents occur in our communities from time to time,
thankfully they are extremely rare on public transport and we want to keep
it that way. In order to do their job well our staff feel safe at all times
and we believe issuing DNA kits will help us achieve this," he said.

Chief Inspector Trevor Bichard of South Yorkshire Police, said: "South
Yorkshire Police, working with the SAFE partnership, is pleased to be
pioneers in this crime reduction and detection method.

"The issue of DNA evidence sample kits is a new concept locally which is
designed to help identify offenders who commit serious crime on public
transport. Even though serious crime on public transport is not that common
we will use all our resources to ensure that any one committing crime,
related to public transport, will be investigated and prosecuted where
appropriate."

Over 3,000 kits have been issued to staff across South Yorkshire which
contain a pair of gloves, an evidence bag and two sterile swabs.

If a member of staff is assaulted and spat at, a swab of spit will be taken
and placed into an evidence bag and then passed on to South Yorkshire
Police.

The DNA from the swab will be checked against a national database and if a
match is found the offender will be tracked down and prosecuted.

DNA kits have been given the full backing of the Transport and General
Workers' Union - the leading trade union representing bus workers in the UK.

Steve Clark, Transport and General Workers' Union Regional Industrial
Organiser, said: "The T&G welcomes the launch of any initiatives that would
make the working environment of our members safer or, indeed help to detect
the small minority of people that abuse and assault our drivers whilst they
are working."

David Brown, Passenger Services Director of the Transport Executive, said it
was just one example of how bus operators are working with the Transport
Executive and South Yorkshire Police to ensure public transport is a safe
environment for staff and passengers.

He said: "It is telling those people who engage in anti-social behaviour
that it will not be tolerated."

does everyone else think that this is a good policy or is it just a waste of money?

please write down what you think.
thanks

sigmar14.

do you think that this is a good policy or not?

if not please say why you think it's not

thanks

sigmar14.

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I do think it is a good idea, but it even says it happens rarely. Surely spending money on more cameras would do more to protect the drivers?

i think personally that it is just a waste of money half of the bus drivers don't even know how to use one correctly.

Originally posted by sigmar14
i think personally that it is just a waste of money half of the bus drivers don't even know how to use one correctly.

While been spat on isn't the nicest thing, I think if I was a driver I would be more worried about been attacked with a knife. There is more chance of catching them if they are caught on camera, as I think you would struggle to stick a swab in their mouth as they came at you with a knife :)

Is it me or has anyone else noticed the busses travelling down the wrong roads? Whilst some people might not find it that amusing I find it hilarious. I see it a lot with the 41 service travelling down Moor valley towards birley moor road tram stop, which is way off were they should go.

Another experience happened when travelling back from chesterfield and the driver actually had to ask the passengers where to go and on more than one occation, she went down the wrong road, which tended to be small residential roads with all the cars parked on the road with no where to go, a very amusing experience.

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Originally posted by tom_a_west
Is it me or has anyone else noticed the busses travelling down the wrong roads? Whilst some people might not find it that amusing I find it hilarious. I see it a lot with the 41 service travelling down Moor valley towards birley moor road tram stop, which is way off were they should go.

Another experience happened when travelling back from chesterfield and the driver actually had to ask the passengers where to go and on more than one occation, she went down the wrong road, which tended to be small residential roads with all the cars parked on the road with no where to go, a very amusing experience.
Amusing maybe but these days drivers new to a route are sometimes given a photocopied map of the directions which is no subsitute for actually traveling on the route beforehand its all down to costs and profit which takes preeference above all else.

Originally posted by d71146
Amusing to you maybe but these days drivers new to a route are sometimes given a photocopied map of the directions which is no subsitute for actually traveling on the route beforehand its all down to costs and profit which takes preeference above all else.

Originally posted by sigmar14
i think personally that it is just a waste of money half of the bus drivers don't even know how to use one correctly.

And what facts do you have to back this statement up.

Originally posted by tom_a_west
Is it me or has anyone else noticed the busses travelling down the wrong roads? Whilst some people might not find it that amusing I find it hilarious. I see it a lot with the 41 service travelling down Moor valley towards birley moor road tram stop, which is way off were they should go.

Another experience happened when travelling back from chesterfield and the driver actually had to ask the passengers where to go and on more than one occation, she went down the wrong road, which tended to be small residential roads with all the cars parked on the road with no where to go, a very amusing experience.

The reason why you see alot of 41's going down this route is because if the service is running late the driver will ask for an adjustment,and a popular one is to miss the Peaks out all together and pick up the route at the top of Occupation Lane.
This means the service will get back on time for the rest of the passengers down the route.And there will be less of the 41's bunching up together.
Hope this answers your question.

P

Originally posted by unners
The reason why you see alot of 41's going down this route is because if the service is running late the driver will ask for an adjustment,and a popular one is to miss the Peaks out all together and pick up the route at the top of Occupation Lane.
This means the service will get back on time for the rest of the passengers down the route.And there will be less of the 41's bunching up together.
Hope this answers your question.

P

lol, there cant be a proper timetable of the 41. Its too "frequent" however with most of these service it tends to be pot luck when the next bus will be as I havewaited half an hour after missing one and also just 2 minuites after missing one. :S does that seem odd to you?

Originally posted by tom_a_west
lol, there cant be a proper timetable of the 41. Its too "frequent" however with most of these service it tends to be pot luck when the next bus will be as I havewaited half an hour after missing one and also just 2 minuites after missing one. :S does that seem odd to you?

No not really as i use to drive them i know how you can have 3 or 4 stuck at the bottom of Granville road at rush hour which will obviously cause a delay on the route. Or when it's the Schools chucking out time this also causes quite a delay.

Each of the 16 41's have a running board and like i said the driver will get adjusted if he is very late,usually on his last trip.

As its been said many times before if a bus is missing or late then there is usually a good reason for it.

The 21 is the bus that really beats me. In the morning, they must get lonely because they miss one out and then travel in two's. In the evening, they randomly miss one out, wait to see how many people are waiting to catch it and then trundle out one of those tiny minibus things, if it looks like there is a really big queue waiting.

It was a lot better before they merged the 26 and X52 - at least they ran on time

Do people think the Buses have got anymore reliable now the inspectors have been back on the streets for the last month?

Originally posted by unners
Do people think the Buses have got anymore reliable now the inspectors have been back on the streets for the last month?

No they are too busy trying to find fault with the drivers they have left unners.

Originally posted by sigmar14
If first south yorkshire were took of the streets of sheffield and rotherham which other bus operater would you pick?

Most of the Bus Drivers would like a Council Controled public transport system in Sheffield.

Originally posted by exmrbd
Most of the Bus Drivers would like a Council Controled public transport system in Sheffield.
Too right they would

Originally posted by d71146
Too right they would

Ill agree with that

Friday morning (22nd April) at 10.40am Yorkshire Traction bus on Brightside Lane heading toward Sheffield from Meadowhall.

Didn't get the reg or route number because I was so :wow: :o :wow: at the driver, head down texting like fury on his moby!

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
Friday morning (22nd April) at 10.40am Yorkshire Traction bus on Brightside Lane heading toward Sheffield from Meadowhall.

Didn't get the reg or route number because I was so :wow: :o :wow: at the driver, head down texting like fury on his moby!

doesn't it make you feel safe when you hear something like that. just what you want to stop everyone taking the tram.

What is the point of just cutting a whole pile of text from a company site then pasting it into a post with no other comments.

Im sure a link to the site is enough.

Is it me or is there two posters that seam to word there posts the same and request people to do the same actions.

Maybe Ive had too much sun.

Originally posted by crannie
yes but they're not bothered about the buses just having digs at bus drivers.
Correct and just a publicity stunt allbeit an expensive one.

Have there been changes to the 95 service recently?

I'm just wondering, as my son appeared back on the doorstep this morning saying that the bus had gotten into town and turned around just after the cathedral.

He admitted not checking to see that it was going to Walkley before he got on, but I haven't seen a 95 terminating in town before, at least not at 8.30 in the morning, and the online timetable doesn't mention it at all.

Of course, why the silly child didn't get off at that point and catch another instead of coming home and making me spend money on a taxi to school is another matter! :suspect:

Originally posted by Eleri
Have there been changes to the 95 service recently?

I'm just wondering, as my son appeared back on the doorstep this morning saying that the bus had gotten into town and turned around just after the cathedral.

He admitted not checking to see that it was going to Walkley before he got on, but I haven't seen a 95 terminating in town before, at least not at 8.30 in the morning, and the online timetable doesn't mention it at all.

Of course, why the silly child didn't get off at that point and catch another instead of coming home and making me spend money on a taxi to school is another matter! :suspect:

If a bus is more than 15mins late then it has to run light (Out of service) to get back on time.
All I can think is that the driver must brought it in somewhere on South Road on thw way back towards town?

Originally posted by exmrbd
If a bus is more than 15mins late then it has to run light (Out of service) to get back on time.
All I can think is that the driver must brought it in somewhere on South Road on thw way back towards town?

Thanks for that exmrbd :)

From what he said, it sounded like after the Cathedral stop, the bus turned left onto Leopold Street instead of carrying straight on up West Street, and then did the usual route back to Intake, but I could be wrong as to where exactly it turned around.

I'm just wondering if this is going to be a frequent thing, as he's going to need to catch an even earlier bus if it is. :(

Originally posted by Eleri
Thanks for that exmrbd :)

From what he said, it sounded like after the Cathedral stop, the bus turned left onto Leopold Street instead of carrying straight on up West Street, and then did the usual route back to Intake, but I could be wrong as to where exactly it turned around.

I'm just wondering if this is going to be a frequent thing, as he's going to need to catch an even earlier bus if it is. :(

I will try and contact someone who drives at Halfway Garage and get back to you, if the bus picks up school kids on the way into town you have no chance of it getting to Walkley on time.

Originally posted by exmrbd
I will try and contact someone who drives at Halfway Garage and get back to you, if the bus picks up school kids on the way into town you have no chance of it getting to Walkley on time.

That's great, thank you :)

We don't usually have a problem with the local schoolkids as he's got to get to the other side of town for half eight. It's the traffic jams on Mansfield Road that usually cause problems at that time :rolleyes:

At least now he knows to get off and wait for the next one, not come back home!! ;)

Changes have been made to service 95 some are now 94/94a/95 also a NEW 96 operates City to Beighton which replace the 95 on some journeys!!! see www.firstgroup.com click on south yorkshire then click timetables or go to www.yorkshiretravel.net. and enter your travel requirements. Also today I noticed that on the bus stop timetable panels it now states... ' the time shown is the estimated departure time at this stop' were as before it gave details of a time point a mile away from my stop. Not sure if this is an experiment or a sign of of progress towards the system where you can text in the bus stop number on your mobile and it will give details of the next bus due where a central control can tag the bus on its satellite bus monitor.

Abdul, how have you got free city centre parking! Im jealous!! Thats like gold dust!!

Cheers silverknight, have gone and checked what's running and when, and have tried to instill it into the sprog's mind :D

what does everyone think about that new day tripper ticket. i bought one this morning and it is great and value for money you can travel on any bus,train or tram for just £3.95 and you can buy it from your bus driver.

does everybody know that the bus passes are to go up on the 22nd of may one of them is the off peak one, price now £8.50 the rise will be £9.50 all the weekly ones are to go up and the monthly ones and so forth and you can bet your life that come june the bus fares will go up or even before might be just after the general election.

Originally posted by sigmar14
what does everyone think about that new day tripper ticket. i bought one this morning and it is great and value for money you can travel on any bus,train or tram for just £3.95 and you can buy it from your bus driver.

Well, maybe any train - it seems the Transport Executive 'forgot' to tell the train companies this!

Can you confirm your source bigkev regarding price increase on prepaid travelmaster tickets as no info on PTE page.

Originally posted by Andy C
Well, maybe any train - it seems the Transport Executive 'forgot' to tell the train companies this!

probably i caught a tram today and the tram conductor did'nt even know that the ticket existed.

Originally posted by silverknight
Can you confirm your source bigkev regarding price increase on prepaid travelmaster tickets as no info on PTE page.

i've heard about this too they have just put up the zone weekly and monthly tickets aswell but knowing sypte they won't put it on there news till the day before.

don't forget to post updated news about public transport in south yorkshire.

The Travelmaster prices have not changed since 23rd May 2004 ,Bigkev mentions a rise next month.Sigmar 14 which tickets are you talking about? The PTE has NO SAY on individual Operater Tickets i.e. First, Stagecoach.

I got my information from the interchange in rotherham as they have got a list that is posted on the front counters. this information was told to me by my very good friend who works there and they pointed it out to me. I have got to go into rotherham tomorrow morning so I will call in and try to either write it all down or I will ask my friend for the details cant say fairer than that can I, and I will post it on here on saturday cant do it friday night as I am going to a meeting in leeds.

Now it has been a few weeks that Bus Inspectors are back on the streets do members feel that this has made any difference at all to the reliability of services in and around Sheffield or is this another publicity stunt gone wrong.

I have only seen 2 of them since they came back onto the buses and only seen 1 in rotherham where as when they use to be out before they got rid of them you couldnt move for them. I also think that it is a waste of time having them, you could always see them down in the bus station thats before everything was changed but at least it gets the unemployment down.

Regarding bus inpectors back on the streets First now intend to fine passengers caught travelling on its buses with out of date passes ie saver cards etc etc in the sum of £35.00 should prove a real money spinner that.

Do they have the power to evict yobbo passengers?

It might get me back onto busses if they do & indeed exercise this power! :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
Do they have the power to evict yobbo passengers?

It might get me back onto busses if they do & indeed exercise this power! :thumbsup:

I stand to be corrected on this but the driver has the right to ask a passenger to leave the vehicle if they contravene the company's condition of carraige etc if they will not leave the police will be called and the person or persons taken off the vehicle.I have always believed that the buses will attract more custom if there was some way of preventing the yobbo element travelling.

Originally posted by d71146
I stand to be corrected on this but the driver has the right to ask a passenger to leave the vehicle if they contravene the company's condition of carraige etc if they will not leave the police will be called and the person or persons taken off the vehicle.I have always believed that the buses will attract more custom if there was some way of preventing the yobbo element travelling.

As we have said before bring back the Clippys that would solve a lot of the problems on the buses.

and so they should it would stop a lot of trouble on the buses, I was travelling from sheffield to rotherham on the 130 bus I was sat downstairs talking to the driver who I knew when there must have been about 10 kids got off the bus at brinsworth, you know when you have that feeling when something is not right well we both got it so my mate stopped the bus just below the atlas pub mind you it was a good thing he did, the bloody buggars had set all the metro papers on fire upstairs if we hadnt have smelled paper burning then the all bloody bus would have gone up. what these yobbo's dont realise if they carry on doing what they are doing then first bus will take off the buses what go around there. who will be sorry then I wonder ?. bring back the clippy's they should never have got rid of them at least you knew where you stood with them.

Bus drivers do have the right to ask anyone to leave the bus. The vehicles sre private property and the driver is responsible for the bus.

The problem is that drivers are alone when asking youths to leave a bus (and not just youths) and it's not an easy thing to do.

Clippys would be a good idea however as they are private companies they cannot afford this. The alternatives is funding from the PTE (not an option due to costs) or puttng fares up what people wouldn't want.

Vicious circle i'm afraid!

Well that was the second time in as many weeks that I've nearly been run down by a 51 bus; I wonder if it's the same driver? Watch out at the bottom of the Moor, where the road narrows to form a crossing and bus gate. This driver seems to like to mount the kerb as soon as possible to save having to steer his bus into the stop. :mad:

I got on a 51 last week and said "Can I have a Centro fare please?". Bus driver goes "yer what?" so I said "A Centro, the 30p fare?". The I got a blast back from him: "I know what it bloody well is." Nice. Partway up Arundel Gate he let fly at a car driver "Yer F***in B*****d!" I don't know... Maybe he was in a temper because he needed the toilet or something?

But I also have a good driver story. :) I was waiting for a 33 last week and didn't see it pull up as it was a minibus for some reason. I sat there in dreamland and just as he was about to go I saw the number and hailed him even though I was expecting him to set off, but no, he waited for me!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mathom
Well that was the second time in as many weeks that I've nearly been run down by a 51 bus; I wonder if it's the same driver? Watch out at the bottom of the Moor, where the road narrows to form a crossing and bus gate. This driver seems to like to mount the kerb as soon as possible to save having to steer his bus into the stop. :mad:

I got on a 51 last week and said "Can I have a Centro fare please?". Bus driver goes "yer what?" so I said "A Centro, the 30p fare?". The I got a blast back from him: "I know what it bloody well is." Nice. Partway up Arundel Gate he let fly at a car driver "Yer F***in B*****d!" I don't know... Maybe he was in a temper because he needed the toilet or something?

But I also have a good driver story. :) I was waiting for a 33 last week and didn't see it pull up as it was a minibus for some reason. I sat there in dreamland and just as he was about to go I saw the number and hailed him even though I was expecting him to set off, but no, he waited for me!

You see there is never a dull moment travelling on a First bus and here was me thinking every one was happy with First these days and the thread was fizzling out.

Originally posted by d71146
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mathom
Well that was the second time in as many weeks that I've nearly been run down by a 51 bus; I wonder if it's the same driver? Watch out at the bottom of the Moor, where the road narrows to form a crossing and bus gate. This driver seems to like to mount the kerb as soon as possible to save having to steer his bus into the stop. :mad:

I got on a 51 last week and said "Can I have a Centro fare please?". Bus driver goes "yer what?" so I said "A Centro, the 30p fare?". The I got a blast back from him: "I know what it bloody well is." Nice. Partway up Arundel Gate he let fly at a car driver "Yer F***in B*****d!" I don't know... Maybe he was in a temper because he needed the toilet or something?

But I also have a good driver story. :) I was waiting for a 33 last week and didn't see it pull up as it was a minibus for some reason. I sat there in dreamland and just as he was about to go I saw the number and hailed him even though I was expecting him to set off, but no, he waited for me!

You see there is never a dull moment travelling on a First bus and here was me thinking every one was happy with First these days and the thread was fizzling out.

I Missed the radio Sheffield interview with Brandon Jones a few weeks ago , did anyone here what he had to say?

Know I didnt but going back to this price increase on the bus passes that comes into effect on the 22nd of may. right these are the passes what is going up.south yorkshire travel masters, this is including the off peak ones, zone travel masters,south yorkshire peak explorer, and the flexi master I am trying to get a full list of the price increase if I do then I will put it on here the trouble is if I write it out when I am down there I will be there for a while but I could always use my dictating recorder and copy it from that.

Surprisingly I want to praise a bus driver!!
I was coming up Hartley Brook Road earlier today and were flashed through by a First bus I nearly stalled the car in amazement!

Just coming home on the 58 route -20.15 from town.
Some young teenagers (non above 14 and some younger)
Got on at st johns church on manchester road.- Deepcar.
First of all they ran up and down bus screaming , but i thought nothing of this as its the norm.
Then when the bus got to Kenworthy road(stocksbridge)a few got off and set an alarm off , the driver did nothing at first, then eventually went to turn it off. - upstairs somewhere.
He then went back to drive and during this two of the louts had opened the fire door, despite an oldish man and I shouting at them to close the door,the driver carried on driving with the door nearly hanging off its hinges.
until the bus came to a standstill.
the lights went off , the door was opened at least twice more and still the driver did nothing.
Then he set off and the bus jolted to a halt sending a few passengers careering to the front of the bus.
During all this they were shouting down the bus and insulting passengers.
One young bloke who got on who i know to have learning probs and a speech problem was very cruely humiliated by them and one of the younger louts started immitating how he spoke.
still the driver did nothing or said nothing.
Then the louts started laughing because one of the o.a.p passengers fell when the driver jolted the bus to a standstill then started it again. - another incident.
During all this despite pleas from pasengers to throw the louts off, the driver never said a word and caried on driving.

not once did the driver say to them" close the fire door"
The old man shut the door twice and in one instance nearly fell out.
they were smoking down stairs too - nothing said.

I think they must have come out of some kind of youth club or something at st johns church.

No one could say that the driver would have been in danger if he had told them off as a pensioner sorted the door out.
And both he and I told them off. most of them were about 13 yr old.


I shall report this dreadful experience to first mainline the first chance i get.
Ive lived in some pretty rough places before but non of the teenagers have been half as bad as the ones here in stocksbridge.
Its not just the vandalism its their attitude to everything, they think they can do the most horrible things and get away with it round here, for the simple reason no one ever tells them off, they just let them do anthing they want.
day in day out the bus gets stoned on kenworthy rd ,and once when it happenned a 40 odd year old man stood at one of the houses on there and just watched them do it and laughed.
Im beginning to think a lot of the stocksbridge town folk are just zombie-fied , what planet are they on.
People in other areas dont put up with things to the extent they do here.
its like Royston Vasey or something.

Originally posted by tara
Just coming home on the 58 route -20.15 from town.
Some young teenagers (non above 14 and some younger)
Got on at st johns church on manchester road.- Deepcar.
First of all they ran up and down bus screaming , but i thought nothing of this as its the norm.
Then when the bus got to Kenworthy road(stocksbridge)a few got off and set an alarm off , the driver did nothing at first, then eventually went to turn it off. - upstairs somewhere.
He then went back to drive and during this two of the louts had opened the fire door, despite an oldish man and I shouting at them to close the door,the driver carried on driving with the door nearly hanging off its hinges.
until the bus came to a standstill.
the lights went off , the door was opened at least twice more and still the driver did nothing.
Then he set off and the bus jolted to a halt sending a few passengers careering to the front of the bus.
During all this they were shouting down the bus and insulting passengers.
One young bloke who got on who i know to have learning probs and a speech problem was very cruely humiliated by them and one of the younger louts started immitating how he spoke.
still the driver did nothing or said nothing.
Then the louts started laughing because one of the o.a.p passengers fell when the driver jolted the bus to a standstill then started it again. - another incident.
During all this despite pleas from pasengers to throw the louts off, the driver never said a word and caried on driving.

not once did the driver say to them" close the fire door"
The old man shut the door twice and in one instance nearly fell out.
they were smoking down stairs too - nothing said.

I think they must have come out of some kind of youth club or something at st johns church.

No one could say that the driver would have been in danger if he had told them off as a pensioner sorted the door out.
And both he and I told them off. most of them were about 13 yr old.


I shall report this dreadful experience to first mainline the first chance i get.
Ive lived in some pretty rough places before but non of the teenagers have been half as bad as the ones here in stocksbridge.
Its not just the vandalism its their attitude to everything, they think they can do the most horrible things and get away with it round here, for the simple reason no one ever tells them off, they just let them do anthing they want.
day in day out the bus gets stoned on kenworthy rd ,and once when it happenned a 40 odd year old man stood at one of the houses on there and just watched them do it and laughed.
Im beginning to think a lot of the stocksbridge town folk are just zombie-fied , what planet are they on.
People in other areas dont put up with things to the extent they do here.
its like Royston Vasey or something.

Sounds like a normal day working for First South Yorkshire Buses!

anybody out there agree BUSES carry very few people anymore, its high time they were scrapped. OVERNIGHT you would get rid of the traffic problem that is makin sheffield a commuting hell for everybody who doesnt ride on buses, which is more or less everybody apart from oaps and teenagers, so much avoidable rage for the sake of so few:rant:

anybody out there agree BUSES carry very few people anymore
You've obviously not been on one for a while.
OVERNIGHT you would get rid of the traffic problem
Gotta disagree with you there.
....everybody apart from oaps....
You might be glad of them when you're an OAP, there's no state pension and you need to get around cheaply!

Originally posted by no55sammy1
anybody out there agree BUSES carry very few people anymore, its high time they were scrapped. OVERNIGHT you would get rid of the traffic problem that is makin sheffield a commuting hell for everybody who doesnt ride on buses, which is more or less everybody apart from oaps and teenagers, so much avoidable rage for the sake of so few:rant:

bus companies clearly think that they have enough passengers to make a profit, and I doubt that there are enough teenagers to provide that, so your argument is clearly flawed somewhere.

How many times have we done this topic?

I get the feeling from some of his other postings that no55sammy1 is something of a troll....

If we walk away very, very quietly he might just go away.

Joe

Well if this a general ANTI BUS argument, I am in favour of it. Motorised dustbins clogging up the roads......

goldenfleece a person who obviously understands CHANGE FOR THE BETTER, sooner be a RAM/RAMETTE than a SHEEP ,buses will be obselet/extinct monsters by 2015 ,if i ever do become a oap RAM :heyhey: wouldnt get on a bus because the last time i got on one it was carrying 8 misserable moaning sheep,i also noticed it was a double decker 50 seats? it was 5.15pm peak period going up ecclesall road flying up the bus lane [lets not even start about bus lanes, HOW VICTORIAN] :loopy: there was around 600 cars makin way for this one bus CLEVER. :hihi: GOLDENFLEECE HAVE A GOOD WEEK:clap:

No, ban cars from anywhere within the city limits, ruddy queues of cars and parked cars delaying my limo, er, bus home.

i always thought busses were a good thing, well if they made them a bit more environmentally friendly somehow, but isnt one bus with 50 people on it better than 50 cars?

What's more of a pain in the morning?

A) 20 foot of bus with twenty people or more inside.

B) 100 foot of cars with about 10 people in them.

Originally posted by Carmine
What's more of a pain in the morning?

A) 20 foot of bus with twenty people or more inside.

B) 100 foot of cars with about 10 people in them.

Id go with A

Originally posted by spyro2000
Id go with A
As a pedestrian, B is always the correct answer.

Originally posted by Carmine
As a pedestrian, B is always the correct answer.

Well I am answering it from the point of view of a driver :)

Originally posted by no55sammy1
goldenfleece a person who obviously understands CHANGE FOR THE BETTER, sooner be a RAM/RAMETTE than a SHEEP ,buses will be obselet/extinct monsters by 2015 ,if i ever do become a oap RAM :heyhey: wouldnt get on a bus because the last time i got on one it was carrying 8 misserable moaning sheep,i also noticed it was a double decker 50 seats? it was 5.15pm peak period going up ecclesall road flying up the bus lane [lets not even start about bus lanes, HOW VICTORIAN] :loopy: there was around 600 cars makin way for this one bus CLEVER. :hihi: GOLDENFLEECE HAVE A GOOD WEEK:clap:

Hey dude....whatever pills you are taking can I have some please!!!!

Originally posted by spyro2000
Well I am answering it from the point of view of a driver :)
All we need now is someone to answer as a bus driver.;)

In answer to the question about what is better for the environment - 1 bus with 50 people on it or 50 cars each with one person, I'm afraid that buses are so dirty that modern small cars are probably cleaner.

Originally posted by no55sammy1 buses will be obselet/extinct monsters by 2015
As will cars, as there'll probably be hardly any oil left to fill them up with by then anyway.

Much as you're entitled to your misguided opinions, this is probably the most ridiculous thread I've ever read on Sheffield Forum. You don't like buses because they get in your way. As a pedestrian, I don't particularly like cars being in my way either.. so what was your point again? :roll:

Originally posted by Tomataheeed
In answer to the question about what is better for the environment - 1 bus with 50 people on it or 50 cars each with one person, I'm afraid that buses are so dirty that modern small cars are probably cleaner.

what with their modern diesel engines and everything. Modern buses are better than 50 modern small cars.

Originally posted by Cyclone
what with their modern diesel engines and everything. Modern buses are better than 50 modern small cars.
Clearly. There are statistics concerning this on the Highways Agency website: http://www.highways.gov.uk/knowledge/airqual/03.htm

If you look at the table right at the bottom, it shows a comparison table of varying types of buses, detailing the minimum number of "fleet average cars" (in brackets) that would need to be taken off the road per bus for there to be a decrease in varying emissions - the maximum figure on the table is 27.

Still, 1 bus is better than 27 cars. If buses were more pleasant to travel on, and cheaper then more people would use them. Cars are just too attractive a proposition when youre travelling to work in a morning, whereas buses are smelly, cold and not that cheap. At the end of the day, if there were more people using buses there would be less cars on the road, reducing traffic congestion. Getting rid of buses would force people to use alternatives. And as the tram doesnt have a particularly good coverage at the moment people would have to walk and bike (not always good in Sheffield), or buy a car. So no, dont get rid of buses.

no55sammy1 as you hate buses so much i take it you have a car. and if you are willing to do anything to get the buses off the road then would you mind picking me up and taking me places. oh and i have a five month old so dont forget your car seat!

i suppose in your opinion oaps shouldn't really need to leave the house and teenagers don't do much anyway so get rid of them!

i have never heard such rubbish. i can't afford to drive and the buses are a godsend for getting me and my boy about. i am sick of car drivers parking in stupid places or blocking the crossings off when they have attempted to jump a red light. it makes life very hard and dangerous when with a pram.

3.3 Modal shift from cars to buses
The effectiveness in reducing emissions by persuading car drivers to travel by bus either through park and ride schemes or improved public transport will depend upon a number of factors. These include the emissions of each vehicle (determined by EU emission legislation), the number of cars that each bus effectively removes from the road, and any additional distance that the car travels to reach the bus. Table 8 shows the emissions at 50 km/hr for a 2005 fleet average car, 2005 fleet average bus and each Euro class bus.

The bus emissions are higher than those than from a car for all pollutants except carbon monoxide. Eighteen fleet average cars would need to be removed from the road network for each additional fleet average bus in 2005 if there were to be a reduction in emissions of all pollutants. However, the modal shift could have a greater reduction in emissions if newer, cleaner buses were used.



So, 1 bus is better than 50 cars, and on average the equivalent of 18.
I don't know what the average occupancy of a car in rush hour is, but i'd estimate it at something like 1.2 people.

So if each bus in the rush hour is travelling with 22 people or more then it's better for the environment. At rush hour the buses are considerably more crowded than that, so we've no worries there.

Buses running to rural routes and outside the rush hour (much less frequent though they are) exist for reasons other than simply environmental. Some people cannot afford, can't use or simply don't want cars, as a society providing them with reasonable public transport within sensible limits is the right thing to do.

Originally posted by goldenfleece
Well if this a general ANTI BUS argument, I am in favour of it. Motorised dustbins clogging up the roads......

Gone off you, Goldenfleece. How will I get to and from the Nelson on Saturday night?

I spotted a couple of number 11 buses yesterday in Stannington that were stagecoach buses. I did a bit of a double take just to check that they were not just using bigger buses on the SL2 route.

Does anyone know if this is going to be a permanent route or is it just over the holidays? I think it would be good for first to have some competition on this route, it might mean that they become more reliable and consider ditching the stupid 11a bus that runs in the evenings and weekends.

its because stagecoach won the boxing day and new years day tender from the council, so they put routes on all across the city.

Jsut come across this thread what a differnace 5 years makes most of the companies listed have changed !

Apologies if this has been on before but worth a second look anyway!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaO3xLsWq-c

All this week is a Saturday service and as a result OAPs can use their pass before 9am.

Not according to one grumpy First driver this morning at 8.45am. He said only after 9am weekdays and on a bank holiday and refused travel.

A phone call to First confirmed that all drivers have been told and would send out another radio message that until the 3rd Jan the OAP pass is valid anytime.

So stand your ground if confronted!!!

Should have sat down and refused to budge

I'm a regular traveller on First buses and I have to say some of the things the drivers have to put up with they all have my deepest sympathy!

I'm a regular traveller on First buses and I have to say some of the things the drivers have to put up with they all have my deepest sympathy!

That's not the point.

I'm a regular traveller on First buses and I have to say some of the things the drivers have to put up with they all have my deepest sympathy!

They don't help their reputation when they're so bloody miserable though. What happened to service with a smile? :suspect:

They get crapped on because they're always late - undeniable.

They don't help their reputation when they're so bloody miserable though. What happened to service with a smile? :suspect:

They get crapped on because they're always late - undeniable.

This is a bit of a sweeping statement really. Not all are miserable and there could be many factors why some buses are late, trafic perhaps?

They don't help their reputation when they're so bloody miserable though. What happened to service with a smile? :suspect:

They get crapped on because they're always late - undeniable.

But it isn't their fault if the buses are late, this was. He should have been aware that bus passes could be used until next week and, if there was any doubt, which there was, he should have radioed to depot hence the reason I say they should have sat down and not budged

They don't help their reputation when they're so bloody miserable though. What happened to service with a smile? :suspect:

They get crapped on because they're always late - undeniable.

True...selfish buggers they are stopping to pick up passengers and waiting at red traffic lights and all that when they should be keeping up with the timetable.

Neither is it undeniable, last bus I got on was 5 minutes early but people soon started mumbling when the driver stopped at the next timing point for 5 minutes to keep to the timetable

True...selfish buggers they are stopping to pick up passengers and waiting at red traffic lights and all that when they should be keeping up with the timetable.

Neither is it undeniable, last bus I got on was 5 minutes early but people soon started mumbling when the driver stopped at the next timing point for 5 minutes to keep to the timetable

Bus drivers will never win, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. I certainly wouldn't like that job

absolutely disgraceful, this bus driver should be sacked for making this error.

absolutely disgraceful, this bus driver should be sacked for making this error.

it was one that was easily solvable though

True...selfish buggers they are stopping to pick up passengers

If that was your job, would you really need to be praised for it?

And yes, there are as many reasons for being late as there are cars on the road. But I've been catching buses for years now, and can count on one hand the amount of times it has actually turned up on time.

There will be as many people on here that will agree with me as those who don't judging by previous threads, but this is going off-topic so I'll admit that saying all bus drivers are miserable was probably a harsh comment to make. I'll correct it to make it factual.

Every bus driver I have ever met has been miserable.

If that was your job, would you really need to be praised for it?

I hope you don't miss buses as much as you miss the point.

I never said they should be praised for picking up passengers but if that coupled with traffic conditions causes a bus setting off on time to fall behind schedule should the bus driver be criticised?

I take it that what should happen is that the bus driver should speed past all other stops if running late but ensuring to stop at your stop because it's more important than the others?

Perhaps you ought to question those setting timetables if it seems that the timetables are impossible to keep to?

True...selfish buggers they are stopping to pick up passengers and waiting at red traffic lights and all that when they should be keeping up with the timetable.

Neither is it undeniable, last bus I got on was 5 minutes early but people soon started mumbling when the driver stopped at the next timing point for 5 minutes to keep to the timetable

Maybe it wasn't 5 minutes early. Maybe it was actually late!

A friend of mine is a bus driver and to be fair he does have to deal with the dregs of society for 8 hours a day.

I had the misfortune of having to use a bus when I was snowed in, and to describe the creatures/pond life would have been an insult to the animals who live near ponds.

I remember in the 70s/80s when going by bus was a pleasant experience, not today with the 'swearing appreciation society' or members of the 'campaining to ban baths/showers/soap' who use the service everyday.

This does not include the people who want to use their free bus passes AFTER the expirey time

It is unfortunate that the way First run their company always seems to result in the drivers being blamed.

Maybe some drivers were advised that OAP passes are vaild before 9am this week but there is a huge possibility that not all drivers were told this. The morning drivers start work at the depot. The admin staff are no longer based there so there is every likelyhood that the message did not get through to all drivers. Bus radios don't always work either.

I'd be miserable too if I was constantly under attack because I worked for a crap company.

Maybe it wasn't 5 minutes early. Maybe it was actually late!

No..it was 5 minutes early. That's why I said it was 5 minutes early.

It's hard to believe how people are so passionate about moaning, where is the love...? take a look at this thread, you are all acting like you are being persecuted by bus companies and have suffered incredible pain... look at life from a different angle, gather some understanding and empathy... do you think that a bus driver is late intentionally...? of course not, its all circumstantial, in other words, the bus is late due to circumstances beyond the drivers control... before you reply to my words with hate, look back at this thread and ask yourself, in the grand scheme of the wonderment of life, love & nature, did I really waste my creative energy on negativity...? The human body is a transmitter & receiver of energy, if you give out negative comments and hatred, that is what you will attract, look at things positively and view it as, "Oh problems with the busses, never mind, it could be worse, I could be in hospital dying from cancer or starving to death in a third world country" THIS IS LIFE, LIVE IT, DONT FIGHT IT, BE HAPPY.

I'm a regular traveller on First buses and I have to say some of the things the drivers have to put up with they all have my deepest sympathy!

That isn't really the issue in this case, is it?

They don't help their reputation when they're so bloody miserable though. What happened to service with a smile? :suspect:

They get crapped on because they're always late - undeniable.

please tell me why a bus is late! is it because we take our time and think i'm going to be late to **** the general public off!! or is iot because the traffic in sheffield at rush hour is chaotic? a bus driver can't win cos when the bus is late it's the drivers fault and when a driver puts his foot dowm to catch time up he's driving like a maniac. generally i love my my job and love the banter(which i only usually get if i'm on time) what i'm really saying is if a bus is running late the is a reason for it and give the driver a break cos like me we usually want to get our 5 minuters at the terminus for a smoke. p.s as for being miserable it's usually a member of public that's ****** us off and put us in a mood!!!!.

Dirty bus......

do you think that a bus driver is late intentionally...? of course not, its all circumstantial, in other words, the bus is late due to circumstances beyond the drivers control...

I think the timetable itself often is at fault - a three year old could plan a better timetable. The later bus services on the 95 route appears to be a diagram for a single vehicle which gives a scant six minutes to turn round at Walkley. It doesn't take much of a delay for all of it to go Pete Tong, which it often does.

Blame the route planners,its impossible to run a bus to the same timetable in peak periods,as it would run off peak,no wonder buses go missing or arrive late.
Common sense tells you a bus travelling in peak periods,needs more time.....simple really.

your lucky,the 41 route at halfway end gets 60 seconds turn round time,and thats at peak time,and passengers wonder why there late, the planners have no idea.

I think all bus drivers are plant pots, but I can imagine driving the same route all day would wear you out abit. I know I get tired & miserable when driving long distance.

all the people that moan about bus drivers should find another way of transport it would be a better job if those people kept away....for good

your lucky,the 41 route at halfway end gets 60 seconds turn round time,and thats at peak time,and passengers wonder why there late, the planners have no idea.

Given that there's a 41 every 10 mins or so (or so it seems) it doesn't really matter if one is late.

all the people that moan about bus drivers should find another way of transport it would be a better job if those people kept away....for good

Good advice. And it's advice I've taken. I now buy a weekly tram pass and use it on the VERY reliable trams and Stagecoach buses. Much better service all round. My weekly First ticket was £9 a week but I'd rather pay £3 a week extra and have a reliable pleasant journey. I've no idea why Stagecoach bus drivers are so much nicer than those who work for First but they are.

I was OK with First on Wednesday but stagecoch driver wouldn't accept mine before 9am yesterday until I showed him the STYPTE leaflet.

My solutioin would have either been to show the driver the appropriate leaflet and or ask him to radio his control but I would have refused to get off if had called for the police i would have them explained that I had paid (ie my bus pass) therefore he had no issue and it had been explained to him that the pass was valid . I would have then sugested that they charge the driver with waisting police time .

the reason that oaps have these bus passes is so that they can get their shopping done before being knocked down by the younger folk that are running about and so that they arent standing about waiting for buses. or have i missed the point????

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please tell me why a bus is late! is it because we take our time and think i'm going to be late to **** the general public off!! or is iot because the traffic in sheffield at rush hour is chaotic? a bus driver can't win cos when the bus is late it's the drivers fault and when a driver puts his foot dowm to catch time up he's driving like a maniac. generally i love my my job and love the banter(which i only usually get if i'm on time) what i'm really saying is if a bus is running late the is a reason for it and give the driver a break cos like me we usually want to get our 5 minuters at the terminus for a smoke. p.s as for being miserable it's usually a member of public that's ****** us off and put us in a mood!!!!.

Correct. I've given up arguing with people on here. Always having to justify why buses are late etc. People need to realise it is them who make the job so awkward. Getting on and THEN look in your bottomless bag for your money. £20 note for a £1.30 fare. Stupid questions. Whinging. Everyone wants to get off at every stop. Rush hour traffic. People who want MY bus to town even though the one in front goes to town etc, etc. I could go on all day. I am a very outgoing type of person, but all it takes is one miserable, rude, arrogant get to spoil it.

all the people that moan about bus drivers should find another way of transport it would be a better job if those people kept away....for good

I have - mi car!

My solutioin would have either been to show the driver the appropriate leaflet and or ask him to radio his control but I would have refused to get off if had called for the police i would have them explained that I had paid (ie my bus pass) therefore he had no issue and it had been explained to him that the pass was valid . I would have then sugested that they charge the driver with waisting police time .

Well said :clap:

your lucky,the 41 route at halfway end gets 60 seconds turn round time,and thats at peak time,and passengers wonder why there late, the planners have no idea.

How can you complain about the buses in Halfway when there's the supertram, the 41, 120 and 253 not to mention all the buses at crystal peaks.

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Well, it makes as much sense as ressurecting 6 year old threads and merging them into current ones

all the people that moan about bus drivers and bus companys why dont they find other transport be better off without them....moan ...moan