As an ex Bus driver I do feel sorry for the poor passengers in this city who have the miss fortune to have to travel by "First South Yorkshire Buses"
The Front page of the Sheffield Star last night ( 05/04/05) just sumed up the crap public transport system we have in this city.

Companys who are in the Transport sector have to get it through to there thick heads that before the word Transport comes PUBLIC.

In my view all PUBLIC transport companys must put a large amount of there profits back into services, if " First South Yorkshire Buses " can not do this then it is time to put them out to tender.

If the council said you would have to pay an extra £5 a month to have a excelent transport would you pay it.

Bus Drivers are not allowed to speak to the press as it is a sackable offence but Iam sure most of them would agree in what I have said.

( If your upset about your bus route please go to my post "Worst Bus Route" and get it off you chest )

Hear hear.
I too worked for First,and found them to be a money obbsessed gang of charlatans.Exmrbd is right about the gagging of the drivers,but if they all stood up and spoke out,surely they cant sack them all?
It is time that the council made a stand against them too.How can the council and the traffic commissioner allow them to cut back on services like this without any resistance?

The bus users of our city are treat like poop and noone does anything about it.

has anybody seen the signs on buses that First Mainline are now operating DNA tests for people who spit at drivers???

Originally posted by _Ren
has anybody seen the signs on buses that First Mainline are now operating DNA tests for people who spit at drivers???

The Drivers have had these kits for the last 2-3 months.
What happens is the bus is either late or the service has been cut and then 1or2 passengers get mad at the driver and spit at him/her.

I know that most of the "High Risk " Routes Ie 75&76's have CCTV fitted to ALL the buses on that service

Who has voted NO and why?

Until a few years ago busses were classified as PSV, ie Public Service Vehicle. They are now classified as PCV, ie Passenger Carrying Vehicle. Does this indicate a change of emphasis at a higher level of policy makers? Is Public service now a no no? I once held a PSV badge and took a pride in my work. I was told repeatedly by my instructor that my primary concern was the safety, health and welfare of my passengers, and that stayed with me all the time I was in the motors.

Times change, or is it me?

Originally posted by exmrbd
Who has voted NO and why?

Because its a free country

If First bus was to closed down tomorrow, what would the alternative be?

Most likely one of Stagecoach, Arriva or National Express would take the operation over (they are probably only ones big enough to be able to do that) and out of neccessety take on the same vehicles and drivers!

I accept the management would be new though.....

Originally posted by exmrbd
Who has voted NO and why?
because i am th PM

Originally posted by Andy C
If First bus was to closed down tomorrow, what would the alternative be?

Most likely one of Stagecoach, Arriva or National Express would take the operation over (they are probably only ones big enough to be able to do that) and out of neccessety take on the same vehicles and drivers!

I accept the management would be new though.....

What about Yorkshire Traction ?

First say they're withdrawing bus services that are running around empty "carrying fresh air" as they put it, well hasn't the penny dropped with these guys, have they once stopped for one minute and asked themselves why are their buses running around empty and not tempting people out of their cars and actually using their services ?

Poor Punctuality, reduced services, High Cost of fares, Drivers with atitude are just a few reasons that spring to mind.

Originally posted by mega_monty
What about Yorkshire Traction ?

First say they're withdrawing bus services that are running around empty "carrying fresh air" as they put it, well hasn't the penny dropped with these guys, have they once stopped for one minute and asked themselves why are their buses running around empty and not tempting people out of their cars and actually using their services ?

Poor Punctuality, reduced services, High Cost of fares, Drivers with atitude are just a few reasons that spring to mind.

A great number of people are put off using public transport in the evenings because of all the problems with bricks being thrown at buses, scroates riding around for 40p causing trouble people just dont want that I am not sure what the answer is.

We had first buses in dronfield but they got run out of the town :clap: because they were charging way more for the same route as the other company's (stagecoach & tm travel) so no one used there buses so the got pulled for being un viable . So if you lot in sheffield want to send a message to first bus then use their competitors and boycott them they will soon get the message when they get hit in the pocket .

Originally posted by mega_monty
What about Yorkshire Traction ?

First say they're withdrawing bus services that are running around empty "carrying fresh air" as they put it, well hasn't the penny dropped with these guys, have they once stopped for one minute and asked themselves why are their buses running around empty and not tempting people out of their cars and actually using their services ?

Poor Punctuality, reduced services, High Cost of fares, Drivers with atitude are just a few reasons that spring to mind.

That's all well and good but alot of the competitors do not run in the evenings or on Sundays as they also do not like carting around fresh air.

The only time the Buses are Busy in the evevings are Friday and Saturdays,so maybe they should just operate on these evenings. Then leave everyone to get 'cheap' taxi's home the rest of the week,what with there excellent customer service skills,good driving,clean modern cars and they always turn up on time....not.

Out of interest anybody know how much a Taxi cost as soon as you get in it? Is it something like £3.00?

Originally posted by Andy C
If First bus was to closed down tomorrow, what would the alternative be?

Most likely one of Stagecoach, Arriva or National Express would take the operation over (they are probably only ones big enough to be able to do that) and out of neccessety take on the same vehicles and drivers!

I accept the management would be new though.....

Exactly the same as the alternatives during the great bus strike of Summer '04.

Use the tram, use Yorkshire Terrier and Stagecoach. Walk, cycle, get a taxi.

I thought that the bus strike was really quite amusing because it demonstrated that we really can do without the Barbie Busses.

If Yorkshire Terrier could be persuaded to run more late-night busses then they could take over most of the routes. Stagecoach (who already run the tram) could add services which would (shock horror!) actually integrate with the tram instead of competing with it.

It's good to have a local company like YT who aren't so determined to become Britian's only mediocre transport operator (as First are).

I personally think that within a year or so evening bus services in Sheffield and surrounding areas will be a thing of the past they just dont pay it would be cheaper to keep them in the garage because the damage done to vehicles in the evenings is very costly with buses taken out of service for smashed windows at at least £500 a window.

what sort of person would put a brick through a bus window?

Originally posted by craigmason
what sort of person would put a brick through a bus window?

I hate to labour the point but, a chav? Street thugs?

Originally posted by Andy C
If First bus was to closed down tomorrow, what would the alternative be?

Most likely one of Stagecoach, Arriva or National Express would take the operation over (they are probably only ones big enough to be able to do that) and out of neccessety take on the same vehicles and drivers!

I accept the management would be new though..... How about none of them ?
Dissolve First South Yorkshire, and have all three centres be their own bosses.
Each time a major group steps in they eff it up.

If gourps is the only alternative so be it. Stagecoach, I dunno they'r emore of an intercity coach co than local.
So Yorkshire Terrier/Traction ? Why not, at least buses won't be pink, might be cheaper, affordable, on time, there at all, not 3 in one go ?

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet


If gourps is the only alternative so be it. Stagecoach, I dunno they'r emore of an intercity coach co than local.
So Yorkshire Terrier/Traction ? Why not, at least buses won't be pink, might be cheaper, affordable, on time, there at all, not 3 in one go ?

Stagecoach do run the local busses for many towns and cities. Newcastle is an example where Stagecoach are the primary operators and they provide a very good bus service.

Originally posted by ptigga
Stagecoach do run the local busses for many towns and cities. Newcastle is an example where Stagecoach are the primary operators and they provide a very good bus service.

Or closer to home, Stagecoach is the main operator in Chesterfield.

Just when they are modernising their fleet (http://www.PhotoShare.co.nz/PhotoShareGallery1/100193/104931/IMG_3017Medium834.JPG)

Originally posted by Andy C
Or closer to home, Stagecoach is the main operator in Chesterfield.

TALKING ABOUT STAGECOACH you need to get 2 buses NOTTINGHAM-SHEFFIELD (747-727?)now,2+1 tram if you want to go to the meadowhall (747-727-tram)from 0 change overs to 3 from 27th march
AND NO 757 NOTTINGHAM-DONCASTER(33-20/21/ 33-30-25?)thats 2/3
NICE WORK Stagecoach the pm is not happy.

The pm thinks sheffield has it good sir

Originally posted by TonyBlair
TALKING ABOUT STAGECOACH you need to get 2 buses NOTTINGHAM-SHEFFIELD (747-727?)now,2+1 tram if you want to go to the meadowhall (747-727-tram)from 0 change overs to 3 from 27th march
AND NO 757 NOTTINGHAM-DONCASTER(33-20/21/ 33-30-25?)thats 2/3
NICE WORK Stagecoach the pm is not happy.

The pm thinks sheffield has it good sir

You are not the PM. You've just stolen his name. It doesn't add any credibility to your posts to claim that you are him, it just makes you look daft.

Why? if stagecoach or arriva take over they will still not do any better then they will start putting there prices up i say keep the first busses becouse they have a lot of routes and are the only busese apart from stagecoach that run in the evenings and on sundays. also if you look at the weekly pass fare for yorkshire terrier 25 bus routes and £8.50 look at first over 100 routes and only £12 i'd rather pay £12 and be able to get across the whole of the city than pay £8.50 for bus routes and times in the day.

Originally posted by ptigga
Stagecoach do run the local busses for many towns and cities. Newcastle is an example where Stagecoach are the primary operators and they provide a very good bus service. no there not! it's the go ahead gateshead buses that run newcastle the blue and red buses.

o no my cover is foiled i am NOT the pm of england pitaitta you are very smart very good.
And i thought people in Nottingham are smart but the people sheffield are even smarter!

Originally posted by ptigga
You are not the PM. You've just stolen his name. It doesn't add any credibility to your posts to claim that you are him, it just makes you look daft.

Nice reply - can you imagine the mental state of somebody wanting to be Tony Blair - the mind boggles... especially when Cherie snuggles up in the mood :)

also pittititta is is POST not POSTS "no S " because that was my first post not first POSTS. do you understand the concept of the english language before pointing out very eloquently that "I" am not the pm(!)?

i do not think it is a "Nice" reply but it is an opinion. I am amazed by how smart the people of sheffield are(!!)

Originally posted by TonyBlair
also pittititta is is POST not POSTS "no S " because that was my first post not first POSTS. do you understand the concept of the english language before pointing out very eloquently that "I" am not the pm(!)?

Also, even Tony Blair himself wouldn't be silly enough to spam a thread on here... I have reported your spamming to the Mods by the way :hihi:

OK. I've banned one person and deleted some posts.

Can we now get this back on subject?

Joe

Originally posted by JoeP

OK. I've banned one person and deleted some posts.

Can we now get this back on subject?

Joe



Of course JoeP sir.

On topic, if we got rid of First, who would take over the running of the buses in Sheffield? Stagecoach? Or one of the other third party bus providers in Sheffield such as Yorkshire Terrier or Andrews?

Personally I'd vote for YT, their drivers are usually polite, their buses turn up when they're supposed to... Everything's right that's wrong with First.

I'm not sure if Traction Group (owner of Yorkshire Terrier, Yorkshire Traction and Lincolnshire Roadcar) would have the resources to take on the entire First South Yorkshire network!

Just supposed they did? I think we would soon be complaining. My experience of Yorkshire Terrier's service 25 to Bradway is that whilst the buses are less crowded, quicker and more comfortable, the timekeeping is very poor. This is mainly down to the timetable being very tight (and often the timings are impossible to achieve) to keep costs down.

With First, the buses do generally run on time (if they turn up in the first place that is!).

Originally posted by TonyBlair
TALKING ABOUT STAGECOACH you need to get 2 buses NOTTINGHAM-SHEFFIELD (747-727?)now,2+1 tram if you want to go to the meadowhall (747-727-tram)from 0 change overs to 3 from 27th march

Lets face it - very few people went to Meadowhall on the Stagecoach buses.

I also doubt many people travelled all the way through from Sheffield to Nottingham. Most people just used the 747 Express to travel to Chesterfield.

Stagecoach admitted the service was becoming unreliable because of the long journey, so split the Sheffield to Chesterfield off into a seperate shuttle, which is much more reliable.

Those people still wanting to travel beyond Sheffield to Meadowhall or beyond Chesterfield to Nottingham can still buy the same through fare and change onto connecting Stagecoach services.

And a Stagecoach South Yorkshire Dayrider ticket is valid on both tram and bus.

I would also add that in the examples I have seen, Stagecoach are cheaper than First.

Sheffield-Woodseats

First : £1.20
Stagecoach : 90p

Originally posted by Rich
Of course JoeP sir.

On topic, if we got rid of First, who would take over the running of the buses in Sheffield? Stagecoach? Or one of the other third party bus providers in Sheffield such as Yorkshire Terrier or Andrews?

Personally I'd vote for YT, their drivers are usually polite, their buses turn up when they're supposed to... Everything's right that's wrong with First.

Slight question here... how exactly do Yorkshire Terrier pull 2000 drivers from no-where.

I mean the solution would be using the same drivers.... with the same mannerisms and personalities (as usual, i'll point out that drivers seem great with me.. only once have I had a bad experience with a driver... and about ten good experiences that I can recall) - i'd love to hear your ideas on recruitment though, could be worth quite a bit of money to any of the big bus groups :)

Originally posted by Andy C
I would also add that in the examples I have seen, Stagecoach are cheaper than First.

Sheffield-Woodseats

First : £1.20
Stagecoach : 90p

yeah look how many buses first operate in sheffield compaired to stagecoach,let chesterfield keep stagecoach where it belongs

if they got took off yorkshire terrier could not cope with the passengers in the bus strike so how would they cope now and stagecoach do not have enough vehicles and staff to cope so half the city would be cut off for some time and for yorkshire traction have you ever waited in rotherham interchange for an hour then 4 show up at once and the driver say neowt.

Originally posted by Alex C.
Slight question here... how exactly do Yorkshire Terrier pull 2000 drivers from no-where.

I mean the solution would be using the same drivers.... with the same mannerisms and personalities (as usual, i'll point out that drivers seem great with me.. only once have I had a bad experience with a driver... and about ten good experiences that I can recall) - i'd love to hear your ideas on recruitment though, could be worth quite a bit of money to any of the big bus groups :)

If First offered better customer service training as well as training them in how to drive a bus, they'd fare a lot better in people's opinions.

But I suppose when you've got schedules to meet you've not got time to be sociable with the customers.

I've said this before on other threads but.. oh heck it needs repeating. The reason for the problem is that the bus services are are commercial rather than a municipal undertaking.

Twenty five years ago it cost 9p, yes NINE PENCE, to get from the suburbs in to town. The buses ran on time, there was more of them and they were well used at all times of day. Why? Because they were run by a department of the local authority (SCT then SYPTE) for the benefit of passengers rather than shareholders. There will be no improvement worthy of that name until the bus service returns to public ownership.

Many may sneer at this concept. However, the proof that this works does exist. The main bus operator (over 75% of passenger journeys) in Edinburgh and the surrounding area is owned by the local councils. The area has the highest bus useage of any metropolitan area outside London and has one of the highest passenger satisfaction ratings.

Sheffield Mainline should never have been sold. Only once this error has been acknowledged and reversed will the situation improve.

Originally posted by sigmar14
if they got took off yorkshire terrier could not cope with the passengers in the bus strike so how would they cope now and stagecoach do not have enough vehicles and staff to cope so half the city would be cut off for some time and for yorkshire traction have you ever waited in rotherham interchange for an hour then 4 show up at once and the driver say neowt.

If they've got more routes to run then they'll buy more busses and hire more drivers. It's not rocket science.

Why, if first go it will only be the same people don't realise that it's not just first that have put their prices up recently and if you work it out it is better value for money than yorkshire terrier becouse they go to a lot more areas and run in the evenings and on sundays. mostly bus fares go up because of the war and petrol prices but people in this city are too thick to realise that!

Originally posted by Rich
If First offered better customer service training as well as training them in how to drive a bus, they'd fare a lot better in people's opinions.

But I suppose when you've got schedules to meet you've not got time to be sociable with the customers. what ? First has schedules ? That's new :p

Originally posted by Rich
If First offered better customer service training as well as training them in how to drive a bus, they'd fare a lot better in people's opinions.

But I suppose when you've got schedules to meet you've not got time to be sociable with the customers.

Yorkshire Terrier AFAIK (please correct me if i'm wrong) do not train drivers up to PCV standard, they only accept staff with an existing license. I cannot see how there is a difference in the road skills between the two - surely a lot of terrier staff are from mainline, the local PCV school. Its quite expensive to get trained up without a major group backing you.

I would imagine (speculation) that terrier have more options of picking and choosing staff - recruitment is no doubt tight, but they seem to have cut quite a few services in recent months. First are already at breaking point with staff leaving - most likely down to being a bad national company. If they take staff off the buses, they lose reliability.

Whilst I can't catch a terrier bus from town at night (they don't want to be carting around fresh air), I will 95% of the time go for a first bus if theres a choice off-peak. Peak, I find no difference. Off Peak however, a 53 into town can take 15 minutes. A 74/74A will take 30 minutes.

This is completely down to better timekeeping by the drivers. Technically, the first bus is in the wrong, but i'd prefer to catch it, knowing i'll get there earlier most of the time.


If they've got more routes to run then they'll buy more busses and hire more drivers. It's not rocket science.


Once again, its not rocket science, but recruitment in the bus industry is quite tight at the moment - and 10 buses these days costs around £1m. If FSY operate just 5x more routes than terrier, at an average route requirement of say 5 vehicles, thats £25 million needed for new buses. Unless you use the existing ones of course - which would need to be purchased from first.

no if another big company get in it'll just be the same as before they'll promise to reduce fares and make better bus services but in about a year they'll be in the same position as mainline were in and the snoby people of this city will be moaning that the want mainline back a proper company the only reason why they are mostly late is because of the traffic but most people don't realise this because they are to dense.

Originally posted by sigmar14
Why? if stagecoach or arriva take over they will still not do any better then they will start putting there prices up i say keep the first busses becouse they have a lot of routes and are the only busese apart from stagecoach that run in the evenings and on sundays. also if you look at the weekly pass fare for yorkshire terrier 25 bus routes and £8.50 look at first over 100 routes and only £12 i'd rather pay £12 and be able to get across the whole of the city than pay £8.50 for bus routes and times in the day.

Or you could buy an online monthly ticket for £37.00 which would save you £11.00 over the weekly tickets.

thanks for the tip

Originally posted by d71146
A great number of people are put off using public transport in the evenings because of all the problems with bricks being thrown at buses, scroates riding around for 40p causing trouble people just dont want that I am not sure what the answer is.

We BOTH know about the problems at night!

Originally posted by Rich
If First offered better customer service training as well as training them in how to drive a bus, they'd fare a lot better in people's opinions.

But I suppose when you've got schedules to meet you've not got time to be sociable with the customers.

I Will try and get a photocopy of a 81/82 drivers running board, as you will be aware when a bus is due in Stannington it will still be stuck in Hillsborough.

I remember the the classic 75 running board at night, you got 7 mins to get from Ecclesfield Mill Road to Firth Park!, it could be done if you didn't pick up any passengers, the traffic lights were all on green & you could get 60 mph out of you bus.

Originally posted by superCol
I've said this before on other threads but.. oh heck it needs repeating. The reason for the problem is that the bus services are are commercial rather than a municipal undertaking.

Twenty five years ago it cost 9p, yes NINE PENCE, to get from the suburbs in to town. The buses ran on time, there was more of them and they were well used at all times of day. Why? Because they were run by a department of the local authority (SCT then SYPTE) for the benefit of passengers rather than shareholders. There will be no improvement worthy of that name until the bus service returns to public ownership.

Many may sneer at this concept. However, the proof that this works does exist. The main bus operator (over 75% of passenger journeys) in Edinburgh and the surrounding area is owned by the local councils. The area has the highest bus useage of any metropolitan area outside London and has one of the highest passenger satisfaction ratings.

Sheffield Mainline should never have been sold. Only once this error has been acknowledged and reversed will the situation improve.

Well Said! Brighton is another place where there buses are council owned, do they run on time? YOU BET.

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
what ? First has schedules ? That's new :p

Its only for decoration, I found out that if you left Batemoor on a 75 and just kept going you had a 50% chance of getting to Ecclesfield on time .

My first inclination was to vote Yes, but perhaps it's a case of the devil you know, we could end up with something worse. I just wish the government, of whichever party, would re-regulate the buses. It can't be a co-incidence that the only place in the country where bus use is increasing is in London, where they were never de-regulated.

Originally posted by algy
My first inclination was to vote Yes, but perhaps it's a case of the devil you know, we could end up with something worse. I just wish the government, of whichever party, would re-regulate the buses. It can't be a co-incidence that the only place in the country where bus use is increasing is in London, where they were never de-regulated.

Worse !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how can it get any worse?

The Drivers are Pi**ed off , the Passengers are Pi**ed off.

Originally posted by exmrbd
I Will try and get a photocopy of a 81/82 drivers running board, as you will be aware when a bus is due in Stannington it will still be stuck in Hillsborough.

I remember the the classic 75 running board at night, you got 7 mins to get from Ecclesfield Mill Road to Firth Park!, it could be done if you didn't pick up any passengers, the traffic lights were all on green & you could get 60 mph out of you bus.

Have you any idea what the times are like for the No. 7 Town - Shirecliffe? Even when it sets off on time, the driver takes the speed bumps at 30mph and there is no traffic it gets to Shirecliffe about 5-10 mins late? Surely that can't be right!!

Originally posted by exmrbd
Worse !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how can it get any worse?

The Drivers are Pi**ed off , the Passengers are Pi**ed off.

Fully Agree on this.

Originally posted by march
Have you any idea what the times are like for the No. 7 Town - Shirecliffe? Even when it sets off on time, the driver takes the speed bumps at 30mph and there is no traffic it gets to Shirecliffe about 5-10 mins late? Surely that can't be right!!

Try the 17 timetable you would have a job to keep to time on a motorbike & sidecar.

They should go back to the cream and red syt buses!, do they have open top buses in sheffield like blackpool.

The trouble with public transport is the public.

O

Just read in the Star that First blames vandals for buses being late due to being withdrawn from service to be repaired.But vandalism has been going on for years Its only since First took over that things have gone down hill

Originally posted by exmrbd
I Will try and get a photocopy of a 81/82 drivers running board, as you will be aware when a bus is due in Stannington it will still be stuck in Hillsborough.

I remember the the classic 75 running board at night, you got 7 mins to get from Ecclesfield Mill Road to Firth Park!, it could be done if you didn't pick up any passengers, the traffic lights were all on green & you could get 60 mph out of you bus. From time to time when Ive been due into stannington Ive still been sat on Shalesmoor and a couple of times just leaving Bents Green when due in stannington.

If First Group find that its had enough of its SY operations it may do what it has done in the South of England either break it into 3 divisions (Sheffield/Doncaster/Rotherham) ie sell each unit and take all its new buses to other parts of its empire. If this day ever did arrive I think Arriva would take take the Sheffield Operation with Rotherham/Doncaster going to Stagecoach or Yorkshire Traction. The outside players being the medium size bus operaters like Blazerfield .. The question is do they have a big piggy bank!!!

Originally posted by march
Have you any idea what the times are like for the No. 7 Town - Shirecliffe? Even when it sets off on time, the driver takes the speed bumps at 30mph and there is no traffic it gets to Shirecliffe about 5-10 mins late? Surely that can't be right!!

Ive had a chat with a driver who does that route last night.

When the number 7 used to go just from Darnall to the Markets it used to get 5-8 mins stack at Darnall, there was also plenty of time between Darnall and the time point at Manor Top Bus Stn , Now this has been cut down on the whole of the 7 route Between Darnall & Shirecliffe, they (First SYB) could have kept this timetable bus it would have ment putting a few extra buses on that route and that would have cost money!

Originally posted by foxy027
Just read in the Star that First blames vandals for buses being late due to being withdrawn from service to be repaired.But vandalism has been going on for years Its only since First took over that things have gone down hill

Ha Ha Ha ! I think someone its telling porkys at FSYB.

Originally posted by tango2
From time to time when Ive been due into stannington Ive still been sat on Shalesmoor and a couple of times just leaving Bents Green when due in stannington.

Drivers have been saying for years BRING BACK THE CLIPPYS.

Just think if the tram didnt have a clippy and passengers had to pay the driver, I can just see it now a Q of traffic 5 miles long down West Street!

Originally posted by silverknight
If First Group find that its had enough of its SY operations it may do what it has done in the South of England either break it into 3 divisions (Sheffield/Doncaster/Rotherham) ie sell each unit and take all its new buses to other parts of its empire. If this day ever did arrive I think Arriva would take take the Sheffield Operation with Rotherham/Doncaster going to Stagecoach or Yorkshire Traction. The outside players being the medium size bus operaters like Blazerfield .. The question is do they have a big piggy bank!!!
I would not be suprised at all if that happened would be a lot of cherry picking going on then.

Originally posted by d71146
I would not be suprised at all if that happened would be a lot of cherry picking going on then.

There all in bed with each other! why do you think that First Bus don't run to Barnsley?

Originally posted by crannie
they're a lot more frequent than stagecoach ones and if stagecoach or another company did come to south yorkshire where would they get all the buses from because first would just transfer all of there buses to they're other operators based around the uk.

If the council did give FSYB notice then they would give them at least 1 year to get out, this would give ample time for the new company or council ( Hint Hint ) to get the buses that they would require.

Originally posted by exmrbd
Drivers have been saying for years BRING BACK THE CLIPPYS.

Just think if the tram didnt have a clippy and passengers had to pay the driver, I can just see it now a Q of traffic 5 miles long down West Street!

Yeah cos they want to get their legs over with the female clippies :P

On the Buses anyone? :lol:

Originally posted by Rich
Yeah cos they want to get their legs over with the female clippies :P

On the Buses anyone? :lol:

Oh Rich how can you say that!
Of couse you are right just think, 5-10, 82's all parked up at Stannington with there windows steaming up.

Oh sorry i must not be on the planet, you dont get 82,81 up to Stannington on a Monday Tuesday ............................

Originally posted by d71146
I would not be suprised at all if that happened would be a lot of cherry picking going on then.

Sheffield would get the worst deal.
Trust Me.

Originally posted by Rich
If First offered better customer service training as well as training them in how to drive a bus, they'd fare a lot better in people's opinions.

But I suppose when you've got schedules to meet you've not got time to be sociable with the customers.

Ive been told all drivers at present are going on a customer care course, and yes Rich you are right they do have to keep to schedules but with little hope of that happening.