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sierraman
22-05-2008, 11:37 AM
Last weekend in MosboroughI was charged 20p for Ice in a pint glass of Cider. Has anyone else had any experience of this?

theripsaw
22-05-2008, 11:54 AM
You are joking!! Unbelievable. Name & Shame the pub..

sierraman
22-05-2008, 11:57 AM
Can't do that as much as I'd like to, but its near some traffic lights!! My son said he had had a similar experience.

Malky
22-05-2008, 12:02 PM
With the silly amounts of ice they put in them I suppose it had to come sooner or later, I presume Ice in a coke or a short is still free.

pinklady
22-05-2008, 12:14 PM
Can't do that as much as I'd like to, .
why cant you? if its true then your breaking no laws

funkymiss
22-05-2008, 12:51 PM
Ah so they charged you to fill your glass with less drink? Nice!

BasilRathbon
22-05-2008, 01:05 PM
Next time take some water and a portable freezer and make your own.

LOWEnBEHOLD
22-05-2008, 08:49 PM
I am the landlord of the Queens @ High Green.

I think it's absurd that you was charged for ice.

I would never dream of doing that, in fact if you saw my prices and i'm a tied house, you'd realise how much other pubs are over pricing with.

Don't believe me, come check it out

Jay

discodown
22-05-2008, 08:53 PM
Surely its illegal to charge for ice?

ormester101
22-05-2008, 10:14 PM
name and shame you have to its a money making exercise that

Flightlevel
23-05-2008, 12:46 AM
1.) Cider should never repeat never be served with ice. It is only done so because to drink it anything other than ice cold you'll realise Magners and the like taste of knats pee. Yet the hordes still fall for the marketing and pay up for an inferior product.

2.) Try proper cider - it has flavour and doesn't need to be served at -273K.

3.) Try a different pub. If you keep going back then you deserved to be charged 20p for ice!

ormester101
23-05-2008, 02:31 AM
1.) Cider should never repeat never be served with ice. It is only done so because to drink it anything other than ice cold you'll realise Magners and the like taste of knats pee. Yet the hordes still fall for the marketing and pay up for an inferior product.

2.) Try proper cider - it has flavour and doesn't need to be served at -273K.

3.) Try a different pub. If you keep going back then you deserved to be charged 20p for ice!

why does cider not need ice its your opinion but when people buy cider like magners kopperberg ,Bulmers in the thousands i have facts and figures for a month ant work how much cider is bought vast majority is magners and bulmers so all these people cant be wrong Magners is a fantastic drink .

Flightlevel
23-05-2008, 02:47 AM
why does cider not need ice its your opinion but when people buy cider like magners kopperberg ,Bulmers in the thousands i have facts and figures for a month ant work how much cider is bought vast majority is magners and bulmers so all these people cant be wrong Magners is a fantastic drink .

I don't doubt you're sales figures, however have you asked why these brands have become so trendy? ...... Advertising. When did cider suddenly "need ice" well about three years ago when these products were launched. Can you recall ice being served in cider before?? No. So why now? Well you make a product seem novel and trendy by glossy adverts and people will go "oh I need that...I can't think for myself, I must obey the television....must buy Magners".

The cider market has increased rapidly as a result and people now who may have initially been tempted by the Magner and Bulmers etc are willing to try other proper ciders.....not just the mass produced and marketed rubbish.

You try some proper cider and you'll see the difference. Personally I'ld rather pay for a cider knowing that most of my money spent has been on the product I am drinking hence a better product, rather than a product where more of the price per pint goes to advertising an inferior product.

It's just like cr@p lagers like carling etc etc. If people are like sheep and have no indepenent thought then they will sell. I've no problem with folks paying three quid a bottle of magners. Pubs know they are making a mint from the fools who buy it and hence can reduce costs of better quality products for the more discerning drinker.

happyhippy
23-05-2008, 03:23 AM
1.) Cider should never repeat never be served with ice. It is only done so because to drink it anything other than ice cold you'll realise Magners and the like taste of knats pee. Yet the hordes still fall for the marketing and pay up for an inferior product.

2.) Try proper cider - it has flavour and doesn't need to be served at -273K.

3.) Try a different pub. If you keep going back then you deserved to be charged 20p for ice!

Absolutely, 100% correct.

*_ash_*
23-05-2008, 03:31 AM
1.) Cider should never repeat never be served with ice. It is only done so because to drink it anything other than ice cold you'll realise Magners and the like taste of knats pee. Yet the hordes still fall for the marketing and pay up for an inferior product.
Absolutely, 100% correct.

However, cold drinks get drank quicker. And that is probably the reason. Pubs can't rely on 100 hundred regulars turning up every night nowadays.

But I agree, getting charged for ice seems ludicrous.

happyhippy
23-05-2008, 03:40 AM
why does cider not need ice its your opinion but when people buy cider like magners kopperberg ,Bulmers in the thousands i have facts and figures for a month ant work how much cider is bought vast majority is magners and bulmers so all these people cant be wrong Magners is a fantastic drink .

Sorry fella, but it's not. Putting ice with it was a fantastic marketing plan. You know as well as I do that bringing the temperature of a liquid down takes away all the taste. All it leaves is the "non-taste" of "cold".

Would they sup it without ice? You know the answer ....

You go down to the West Country, or Welsh border, and adulterate their cider with ice .... I dare you ....

Just because it sells, doesn't mean it's any good. Here are a few examples to clarify my theory ....

Bros
The Partridge Family
Watney's Red Barrel
Hofmeister
The Daily Heil

Sales don't guarantee quality; just popularity.

Flightlevel
23-05-2008, 09:33 AM
Sorry fella, but it's not. Putting ice with it was a fantastic marketing plan. You know as well as I do that bringing the temperature of a liquid down takes away all the taste. All it leaves is the "non-taste" of "cold".

Would they sup it without ice? You know the answer ....

You go down to the West Country, or Welsh border, and adulterate their cider with ice .... I dare you ....

Just because it sells, doesn't mean it's any good. Here are a few examples to clarify my theory ....

Bros
The Partridge Family
Watney's Red Barrel
Hofmeister
The Daily Heil

Sales don't guarantee quality; just popularity.

Indeed Happy Hippy...perhaps I may add to that list?

Spice Girls
Bernard Matthews
Vauxhaul Cars
PG Tips
Adidas / Nike etc
ITV
The Labour Party

pinklady
23-05-2008, 09:37 AM
Bros.
how verrryyyy DARE youuuuuuuu :o

The Daily Heil

.
Rich ..... ios that you?:|

malestrom
23-05-2008, 08:43 PM
The reason behind the 'ice in the glass' idea is down to the fact that you can't fit all of the cider in the glass at once so you take the bottle to your table.

Thus when there are many people drinking it in one bar, people take more notice of it and are encouraged to drink it as said product is seen to be 'trendy'.

Sneaky huh :)

shefhoney
23-05-2008, 09:42 PM
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Cyclone
23-05-2008, 10:20 PM
Can't do that as much as I'd like to, but its near some traffic lights!! My son said he had had a similar experience.

You could tell us which pub you had a nice pint of cider in last week though. :hihi:

Cyclone
23-05-2008, 10:23 PM
I'de love to tell Flightlevel to get off his soapbox!!

But he's right.

Flightlevel
23-05-2008, 10:29 PM
[QUOTE=shefhoney;3570292]...............................QUOTE]

Welcome to the forum shefhoney :D

Flightlevel
23-05-2008, 10:32 PM
Welcome to the forum shefhoney

happyhippy
24-05-2008, 01:54 AM
The reason behind the 'ice in the glass' idea is down to the fact that you can't fit all of the cider in the glass at once so you take the bottle to your table.

Thus when there are many people drinking it in one bar, people take more notice of it and are encouraged to drink it as said product is seen to be 'trendy'.

Sneaky huh :)

Cobblers. The first time I saw Magners was in the Dog & Partridge for God(TM)'s sake.

And you can fit it all in; in an oversize glass.

teddie
25-05-2008, 04:05 PM
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Ahh, come on Shefhoney tell us what you think???:D

*binty*
25-05-2008, 04:09 PM
Ahh, come on Shefhoney tell us what you think???:D

They did in post # 22. Cyclone quoted it.

malestrom
26-05-2008, 07:23 PM
Cobblers. The first time I saw Magners was in the Dog & Partridge for God(TM)'s sake.

And you can fit it all in; in an oversize glass.

What has where you saw it first got anything to do with what i said? I don't recall saying anything about that?

It is not meant to be served in an oversized glass but a pint glass. What I said still stands as I studied the launch of the brand for my marketing degree.

This is why I very rarely post on the forum as there is always someone on here shooting you down!

Scozzie
26-05-2008, 07:30 PM
why does cider not need ice its your opinion but when people buy cider like magners kopperberg ,Bulmers in the thousands i have facts and figures for a month ant work how much cider is bought vast majority is magners and bulmers so all these people cant be wrong Magners is a fantastic drink .

Cider isn't that great, but I don't drink beer and spirits make me too drunk top quick..... I have found if I alternate apple cider with pear cider - it covers 2 of my 5-a-day.
Magners, Bulmers and Strongbow are all crap.... I can say that coz I drink them.

CashBack13
26-05-2008, 08:07 PM
1.) Cider should never repeat never be served with ice. It is only done so because to drink it anything other than ice cold you'll realise Magners and the like taste of knats pee. Yet the hordes still fall for the marketing and pay up for an inferior product.

2.) Try proper cider - it has flavour and doesn't need to be served at -273K.

3.) Try a different pub. If you keep going back then you deserved to be charged 20p for ice!

I'm no Big Cider buff! Magners and Bulmers is NOT Cider as Far as I'm concerned. It's never seen an Apple! You might as Well Drink Apple Tango and Call it Cider!

Real Cider is Dry and or Sweet and tastes strongly of Apples! It Is Not Ridicously Fizzy like a can of coke and shouldn't have a massive head when you pour it! and shouldn't be served at Minus temperatures!

Magner/Bulmers is to the Cider World, what Chicken Tikka Massala is to Indian Cuisuine! A Cheap Immitation of a Genuine Article!

malestrom
26-05-2008, 08:12 PM
Completely agree, always wait until I go to somerset if I drink cider as can't seem to find any decent stuff round here.

However if anyone can point me in the direction of some decent cider up here I would be very grateful!

happyhippy
27-05-2008, 02:41 AM
Completely agree, always wait until I go to somerset if I drink cider as can't seem to find any decent stuff round here.

However if anyone can point me in the direction of some decent cider up here I would be very grateful!

Any of the real ale pubs will have a real cider on, especially as (I believe) the Saxon 'cidery' doesn't use apple concentrate now.

Certainly, if you count 'Old Rosie' then there are loads of places. Fat Cat would probably be the best place to go if you want to avoid the Weston's stuff.

happyhippy
27-05-2008, 02:49 AM
What has where you saw it first got anything to do with what i said? I don't recall saying anything about that?

It has quite a bit to do with it, as the Dog is an Irish pub in Sheffield, with no history of having trendy drinks.

It is not meant to be served in an oversized glass but a pint glass. What I said still stands as I studied the launch of the brand for my marketing degree.

Now this will sound very arrogant (so I'll apologise in advance), but quite frankly I don't care what you studied. I'm speaking from a 'drinking in pubs' point of view. If I wanted to drink it in an oversized glass, I defy anyone to stop me. There was absolutely no advertising of Magners/Bulmers at all for quite some time after it was first served in the Dog.

This is why I very rarely post on the forum as there is always someone on here shooting you down!

If you've got a marketing degree, then listening to facts, as well as opinions might stand you in better stead .......

Anyway, sod it, happy drinking!

Kat2008
27-05-2008, 07:40 PM
hi i'm kats mum i'm the landlady of the new inn (hollinsend rd) we dont charge for ice seems a silly idea but people have to make their money somehow I think my prices are quite reasonable.Its a great friendly pub you should come and see for yourselves we are on the tram route and the 51 bus route.:)

alex3659
27-05-2008, 08:34 PM
Can't do that as much as I'd like to, but its near some traffic lights!! My son said he had had a similar experience.

name the pub if it's true , you have nothing to worry about .

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