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Geoff
31-03-2005, 14:16
People who are stopped by a police officer or PCSO in the street and asked to give personal details will be issued with a form from tomorrow, as part of a national drive to ensure fairness.

Forms for ‘stop and account’ will be issued in the same way existing forms for people who are searched in the street, from tomorrow (April 1).

A copy of the form will be given to the person stopped explaining the reasons why. A further copy will then also sent to the Home Office, allowing them to collate statistics for publication.

ACC Bob Dyson said: “This is a national initiative that all forces are required to comply with and we do so in a spirit of co-operation and enhanced community accountability. Capturing data about who is being stopped, particularly age and ethnicity profiles, can only be a positive step. Primarily it gives us formal data that can be used to reassure the public. We believe strongly that our officers only stop people and ask them to account for themselves for valid reasons, but this data will give us an additional basis for that belief. We already have the same procedure in place for when people are stopped and searched – so this seems the next logical step. ”

Gearing up for the new monitoring system involves training for all operational officers and additional IT systems to manage the data.

ACC Dyson added: “South Yorkshire Police aims to treat everyone fairly and the new ‘stop and account’ rules can only enhance our open and honest approach. We will continue to use our day to day encounters with members of the public as an effective way of investigating and preventing crime, and no doubt law abiding citizens will continue to be reassured by the fact we’re looking out for anything suspicious. The added bonus is that collating figures gives us the opportunity to highlight any issues that do arise. We can then address them swiftly and effectively.”

The forms will usually be completed in the street and should take no longer than a few minutes to fill in. They will not lead to the creation of a criminal record.

ACC Dyson added: “Nothing has changed with regard to how we use the information. We use intelligence to fight crime. It’s just that where the information would once have gone in an officer’s personal pocket book, a copy will now be shared with the person stopped, and the home office so that they can monitor statistics and ensure accountability. ”

owdlad
31-03-2005, 14:44
I am not really sure about the need to generate even more paper work for the Bobby on the beat, and in the few minutes it takes to fill in the form the amount of ill feeling generated towards that poor old plod who is only after all doing his job will be fairly big.

I would have thought they have more than enough to do keeping up with already over worked schedule without adding more to it.

There will I expect be no more cash forthcoming from central government to assist in the extra payments to cover the wages of the office staff needed to collate all this information.

viking
31-03-2005, 14:54
Police should be be allowed to stop and search anyone anytime no questions asked.

It's only the do- doogers and drug pushers that moan about the P.A.C.E.1

royjames
31-03-2005, 15:04
Seems like more PC stuff to me,here we go again trying to find out what ethnic group you belong to.
Does it really matter what group you belong to,if you commit a crime then its irelevant what co lour you are.
More time taken away from real policing to placate the bloody liberals again.:confused:

cloud
31-03-2005, 17:47
Originally posted by viking
Police should be be allowed to stop and search anyone anytime no questions asked.

It's only the do- doogers and drug pushers that moan about the P.A.C.E.1

could not agree more....still, it seems that the government is hell bent on forcing officers to complete reams of paperwork which in total can mean an officer spending around 80% of his /her time form filling and completing reports. (I kid you not.)

royjames
31-03-2005, 17:49
Just goes to show what a bloody useless goverment we have when it comes to dealing with crime.

max
31-03-2005, 17:55
Can't see a problem with it. The PC would have had to have filled in his pocket book later anyway, better to get the details while they're fresh in his/her mind.

They can be no argument about contemporaneously written notes any more meaning fewer cases thrown out on technicalities and/or fewer people being convicted on less than accurate information.

A win-win situation it would appear.

cloud
31-03-2005, 20:37
Originally posted by max
Can't see a problem with it. The PC would have had to have filled in his pocket book later anyway, better to get the details while they're fresh in his/her mind.

They can be no argument about contemporaneously written notes any more meaning fewer cases thrown out on technicalities and/or fewer people being convicted on less than accurate information.

A win-win situation it would appear.

have you seen the new form.....it is about 15 inches long with loads of information to put on. It's not a win - win situation if fewer suspects are stopped purely because of the amount of time it takes to fill these things in.....quite often it is groups of people being stopped.....3 or 4 people means an officer spending about 45 minutes dealing with that....in that time a further 3 or 4 could walk past who may also be worthy of attention....but too busy filling these forms in.....it has become a beaureaucratic nightmare.