I remember watching an Alfred Hitchcook suspense where someone could hear the silence screams emitting from them as they were cut.

But do you think trees and other plant life feel pain when you cut them?

I'm biased - I think as a living organism they experience some form of pain as they die - but what that is and how we as humans would comprehend that I don't know.

Besides I am a tree hugging witch :D

Moon

no, i dont think they feel "pain" but i do think they have an auroura (sp) of some kind...

I ticked yes - only in a biological way ...

One question ?

How is 'only in a bioligical way' different to the way humans / animals feel pain ?

Are humans / animals not biological creatures ?

Trees are living creatures and alive ... just like you and me ... and an expression of life ... it's quite feasable that they have a much slower and deeper awareness / conciousness to humans.

Some people seem hell bent on destroying nature ... even picking flowers to give to a loved one ... can never get my head round that ... you just killed a living thing ... just to give someone some (nice looking) dead vegitation !?

Originally posted by JamieW
Some people seem hell bent on destroying nature ... even picking flowers to give to a loved one ... can never get my head round that ... you just killed a living thing ... just to give someone some (nice looking) dead vegitation !?
Very true Jamie but try telling that to the missus on her birthday. They'll be no oats on the table for weeks!

They don't feel a thing!

Hmmm ... but what if you take the missus out in to nature somewhere nice and secluded on a sunny day ...

Some beautiful countryside out there ... some fields are just bursting with flowers ... no need to pick a single one ... (try not to crush too many in your passion tho) ...

Originally posted by JamieW
Hmmm ... but what if you take the missus out in to nature somewhere nice and secluded on a sunny day ...

Some beautiful countryside out there ... some fields are just bursting with flowers ... no need to pick a single one ... (try not to crush too many in your passion tho) ...
and who said romance was dead?

Originally posted by JamieW
I ticked yes - only in a biological way ...

One question ?

How is 'only in a bioligical way' different to the way humans / animals feel pain ?

Are humans / animals not biological creatures ?

Trees are living creatures and alive ... just like you and me ... and an expression of life ... it's quite feasable that they have a much slower and deeper awareness / conciousness to humans.

Some people seem hell bent on destroying nature ... even picking flowers to give to a loved one ... can never get my head round that ... you just killed a living thing ... just to give someone some (nice looking) dead vegitation !?

you very rarely kill a plant by picking it's flower, all you are doing is plucking its sexual organs to give to a loved one, which is deeply symbolic IMO.

As for plants feeling pain - I'd say no although that depends entirely on what you mean by 'feel' and 'pain'. Of course, the same goes for humans, they don't feel pain either. They're all just automatons manufactured for my amusement.

RPG, are you referring to Auras as picked up by Kirlian Photography? http://www.kirlian.org/kirlian.htm or the more 'mystical' aura that some 'gifted' people can see.

Disagree with you there Phan.

The bit of the flower that you pick ... was part of the plant and alive and growing etc ... until you pick it that is.

Am sure the dis-membered plant part wouldn't be too happy either.

Yeah, but if I plucked your sexual organs, you migh be miffed but you wouldn't be dead, although your gonads would soon be.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Yeah, but if I plucked your sexual organs, you migh be miffed but you wouldn't be dead, although your gonads would soon be.
thank god that never took off as a traditional romantic gesture...
"Here you go love, I bought you a bunch of your favorites - ginger testicles". :blush: :blush: :blush:

It would make a hell of a craving for a pregnant woman....

What do plants or trees have to feel pain with?

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Yeah, but if I plucked your sexual organs, you migh be miffed but you wouldn't be dead, although your gonads would soon be.

No 'gonad plucker' is getting within stricking distance of my equiptment mr Phan dude !!

Plant's don't feel pain because they don't have a nervous system like animals do.

Originally posted by Sidla
Plant's don't feel pain because they don't have a nervous system like animals do.
evidence please

:lol:





(Space is precious - don't waste it.)

Well, I suppose what I am angling at is your definitive statement is all well and good, but it depends on your frame of reference. i.e, if you were a plant, you might have a completely different opinion.

It is deeply culturebound to assume that because certain things have no *recognisable* nervous system, or electrocolloidal intercellular communciation matrix (as all plants do) that it is somehow insensate.

Read a bit of Lyall Watson on sympathetic behaviour in Geraniums, including using them as 'witnesses', and you'll see what I mean - don't be so quick to dismiss ideas like plants feeling pain simply because they show no obvious or occult signs.

edit I was trying to save space, not waste it.

I don't think that plants can feel pain.

But you need to be cautious with trees. The spirits of the dead live in trees, as do dryads, and (of course) witches. If you damage or kill a tree you are harming or murdering its inhabitants. You must never do anything to an elder without asking the permission of the inhabiting witch.

Is it my imagination ... or does the SF have rather more than it's fair share of people with a keen interest in the paranormal !?

Originally posted by Zamo
Very true Jamie but try telling that to the missus on her birthday. They'll be no oats on the table for weeks!

They don't feel a thing!

Who don't feel a thing...mussus's or trees ?

A few relevant ‘items’:

The Secret Life of Plants by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird

http://www.hidabroot.org/english_site/page18plants.htm

Stevie Wonder
Journey Through the Secret Life of Plants
I can't conceive the nucleus of all
Begins inside a tiny seed
And what we think as insignificant
Provides the purest air we breathe

But who am I to doubt or question the inevitable being
For these are but a few discoveries
We find inside the Secret Life of Plants

A species smaller than the eye can see
Or larger than most living things
And yet we take from it without consent
Our shelter, food, habilment

But who am I to doubt or question the inevitable being
For these are but a few discoveries
Wwe find inside the Secret Life of Plants

But far too many give them in return
A stomp, cut, drown, or burn
As is they're nothing
But if you ask yourself where would you be
Without them you will find you would not

And some believe antennas are their leaves
That spans beyond our galaxy
They've been, they are and probably will be
Who are the mediocrity

But who am I to doubt or question the inevitable being
For these are but a few discoveries
We find inside the Secret Life of Plants
For these are but a few discoveries
We find inside the Secret Life of Plants

Plants have as much right to be on this planet as we do. Afterall, we support each other in the way that we exhale what they 'inhale', and vice versa. Treat plants as if they were human beings. They have rights too you know. Just wait until the 2054 Plant and Tree Rights Act comes into place.

Originally posted by John
I remember watching an Alfred Hitchcook suspense where someone could hear the silence screams emitting from them as they were cut.

But do you think trees and other plant life feel pain when you cut them?


The truth is that no one knows, although trees and plants are alive so it is quite possible they do feel pain. A tree has almost the same metabolism as a human being and must feel something as it is being cut down, I have heard it said that the Mandrake plant screams when it is pulled up by it's roots.

Originally posted by halevan
I have heard it said that the Mandrake plant screams when it is pulled up by it's roots.
Only at Hogwarts I think.

Well, i voted for Absolutely NOT.

I also agree with Sidla.

Plants (yes, that would also be trees) have No feeling. the only reason that humans do is because of the nervous system and sensory inputs. Plants do not have this system (nor do they have the DNA to support it).

Plants, although living have no 'thought' and are basically autonomous in what they do. Some plants may seem 'clever' such as the venus fly trap and some sea plantlife however thats just based on simple reflex type actions.

So just to sum up...
TREES AND PLANTS DO NOT HAVE FEELINGS

Also, the so called Auras as picked up by 'Kirlian Photography' are a pretty crappy and unconvincing. Although not quite as stupid as the whole Orb thing. If there is anyone here who beleives that 'Orbs' are spirits of the dead, please do make yourself known, so that i can laught at you! :D

Tim.