Do the Lib Dems intend to do away with the tram and bus gates and open sheffields roads back to the public. Or are they happy to continue with the LABOUR POLICIES AND RAKE IN THE CASH

I'm expecting them to make the same botch job they did last time - and I'm happy to be proven wrong but not expecting anything much so wont expect to be disappointed.

Do the Lib Dems intend to do away with the tram and bus gates and open sheffields roads back to the public. Or are they happy to continue with the LABOUR POLICIES AND RAKE IN THE CASH

Now i think if they did do away with them that would be great but i cant see them doing that

Do the Lib Dems intend to do away with the tram and bus gates and open sheffields roads back to the public. Or are they happy to continue with the LABOUR POLICIES AND RAKE IN THE CASH

Im note sure about the whole of Sheffield but I understand they will be reviewing the bus/tram gate times in Hillsborough with a view to amending these to peak time only.

Now that's what I wanted to hear. Joe Taylor (Umeeksk) has said on here before that he favours peak times only for the Hillsborough tramgate, so let's see if he will actually do something about it. Go Joe!

Their manifesto says:

"Improving signage on bus/tram gates in consultation with road users so that
restrictions are much clearer."

Im note sure about the whole of Sheffield but I understand they will be reviewing the bus/tram gate times in Hillsborough with a view to amending these to peak time only.

That would be so good! Whilst the gates are surely necessary for commuters during peak hours, there is no need for these gates at all times - for instance on a Sunday / quiet times during the day.

I'm sure at these times the houses on roads like Walkley Lane who have surely suffered with the tremendous increase in traffic that is now filtered past their houses will appreciate a review!

Their manifesto says:

"Improving signage on bus/tram gates in consultation with road users so that
restrictions are much clearer."

Now there's a radical idea... reading the manifesto (after the election) instead of asking for the moon on a stick ;)

Do the Lib Dems intend to do away with the tram and bus gates and open sheffields roads back to the public. Or are they happy to continue with the LABOUR POLICIES AND RAKE IN THE CASH
I believe it's called public transport for a reason. It might also help to lay off the caps lock if you want people to take you seriously...

I think the whole of hillsborough transport systen needs redesigning

Now that's what I wanted to hear. Joe Taylor (Umeeksk) has said on here before that he favours peak times only for the Hillsborough tramgate, so let's see if he will actually do something about it. Go Joe!

As I have said before even the Bus drivers were confused about the times:huh: the feeling is that something like 0730am-930am & 3pm-7pm Mon-Fri would be better :D

I happen to know that one of the Council Officers is meeting with the Department of Transport this coming week to discuss and hopefully agree a form of signing (including wording on the carriageway) which will make the restrictions clearer. As far as I am aware, this was arranged prior to the election result.

The main point at issue is the fact that there are a range of vehicles permitted to use the Bus Gate, but the rules in respect of the carriageway markings state that there can be a maximum of 4 lines of text. It is thought that more than that would take too long to read and therefore the effect would be lost.

I know this subject has been debated to death, but the current signs have been authorised by the DfT. However there is a recognition amongst officers that every effort should be made to improve the signage if possible (even though there are advance warning signs for about 3/4 mile in each direction).

As I have said before even the Bus drivers were confused about the times:huh: the feeling is that something like 0730am-930am & 3pm-7pm Mon-Fri would be better :D

I would have to agree , i think the tram gate should only be in force at peak times only!!

And should not be in force at all on sundays:)

I'm expecting them to make the same botch job they did last time - and I'm happy to be proven wrong but not expecting anything much so wont expect to be disappointed.

very bitter are u cant be any worse than the botch job labour has done to the city

Oh yes, the same Joe Taylor that stood against the none existent 'development' of Hillsborough park.

Unless he proves otherwise, I suspect he's a waster.

Oh yes, the same Joe Taylor that stood against the none existent 'development' of Hillsborough park.

Unless he proves otherwise, I suspect he's a waster.

Labour councillors have had there chance, now its time to give Joe taylor a chance,

lets hope they get rid of the buses as well . hold traffic up no end buses do and they are the cause of the worn out road surface. hopefully buses will be scrapped or allowed to drive on the pavement only.

lets hope they get rid of the buses as well . hold traffic up no end buses do and they are the cause of the worn out road surface. hopefully buses will be scrapped or allowed to drive on the pavement only.

I do hope you're trying to be sarcastic - that way I won't have to point out all the ways in which that post is wrong.

Do the Lib Dems intend to do away with the tram and bus gates and open sheffields roads back to the public. Or are they happy to continue with the LABOUR POLICIES AND RAKE IN THE CASH


PUT THE FINES UP:gag:

Oh yes, the same Joe Taylor that stood against the none existent 'development' of Hillsborough park.

Unless he proves otherwise, I suspect he's a waster.

A little harsh, he's only been elected for five minutes give him a chance.

Do the Lib Dems intend to do away with the tram and bus gates and open sheffields roads back to the public.

Lets hope not.

PUT THE FINES UP:gag:

Yes, I'd support that.

Do the Lib Dems intend to do away with the tram and bus gates and open sheffields roads back to the public. Or are they happy to continue with the LABOUR POLICIES AND RAKE IN THE CASH

Its only a tax on the stupid. It has the potential of bringing in zero revenue - its not the council's fault if people choose to flout the law.

I watched 3 cars trundle through the tram gates this afternoon, one after the other. Its not like they haven't been there for long enough.

A little harsh, he's only been elected for five minutes give him a chance.

Well, he didn't help himself by claiming that he only mentioned that Labour MIGHT build on Hillsborough Park because it was nearest for him to pose in! I think he actually lives closer to Graves Park than Hillsborough Park!

Anyway, I think the tram and bus gates should stay as they are during the week but the new council could do away with the restrictions on Sundays.

We should scrap these gates and lanes immediately, why should we give priority to a private money making organization ???

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why should we give priority to a private money making organization ???

I agree with you that public transport should be re-regulated.;)

Thatcher has a lot to answer for!

Lets hope not.

Particularly as public transport journey times have halved through there and patronage levels are up 19% on avarage.

Particularly as public transport journey times have halved through there and patronage levels are up 19% on avarage.




Yes and don't we know it during rush hour.

Sadly there aren't 19% extra trams running.

But thats what town planners want, everyone squashed like sardines on public transport

Isn't it ironic that Labour were crowing about the Government 'giving' Sheffield £660 million to improve its roads when they are doing their upmost to stop people driving on them? :loopy:

Yes and don't we know it during rush hour.

Sadly there aren't 19% extra trams running.

But thats what town planners want, everyone squashed like sardines on public transport

Don't you think that if it were possible to easily get more trams it wouldn't already have been done?

These vehicles cost £££millions and the money for such expensive transport schemes comes from the Government. The PTE made a funding bid for tram route extensions and more vehicles. The bid was refused and they were told to look at bus schemes because they were better value for money.

Isn't it ironic that Labour were crowing about the Government 'giving' Sheffield £660 million to improve its roads when they are doing their upmost to stop people driving on them? :loopy:

Bit of an exaggeration methinks.

Bit of an exaggeration methinks.

Not really - more bus lanes planned, ie Penistone Road, one way systems springing up in Town seemingly weekly, Wicker a no go area etc etc.

Labour council made out as if we should be grateful for the funding of £660 million (spread over 25 years) but isn't this what we pay (ever increasing)road tax for? Wheres this money been going whilst our roads have been deteriorating?

Then again, would roads such as Taplin, Walkley Lane, Hillsborough Place, Hillsborough Road, Holme Lane etc need repairing if cars were not forced to take massive detours as a result of the Bus/Tram gates?:huh:

Don't you think that if it were possible to easily get more trams it wouldn't already have been done?

These vehicles cost £££millions and the money for such expensive transport schemes comes from the Government. The PTE made a funding bid for tram route extensions and more vehicles. The bid was refused and they were told to look at bus schemes because they were better value for money.



So where are the extra buses then? not operating during rush hour it seems

Not really - more bus lanes planned, ie Penistone Road, one way systems springing up in Town seemingly weekly, Wicker a no go area etc etc.

Labour council made out as if we should be grateful for the funding of £660 million (spread over 25 years) but isn't this what we pay (ever increasing)road tax for? Wheres this money been going whilst our roads have been deteriorating?

Then again, would roads such as Taplin, Walkley Lane, Hillsborough Place, Hillsborough Road, Holme Lane etc need repairing if cars were not forced to take massive detours as a result of the Bus/Tram gates?:huh:

Penistone Road - as I understand it, plans are to create ADDITIONAL bus lanes, ie not taking any existing roadspace.

I haven't seen any new one way systems this week?

Wicker, it isn't a no-go area, general traffic just can't go through anymore. They spent £££££millions on a new inner relief road and quite rightly they expect you to use it. General traffic gets benefits from the IRR and buses get benefits from being able to use Wicker. Not a bad compromise?

None of your "road tax" goes to the Council, it all goes to the Treasury. This Council, like all others across the country is systematically underfunded by the government, so hard decisions have to be taken about funding priorities. Here, as in many other places, highway maintenance funding has not been a priority. It's a national problem. You don't want to pay higher taxes - don't expect premium public services.

So where are the extra buses then? not operating during rush hour it seems


You'll note that I said bus SCHEMES ie Quality bus Corridors - more planned, Bus Rapid Transit Schemes - more planned, bus priority - more planned. These things can't be brought forward overnight, they're coming, soon.

The number of buses on routes is largely down to the operator where services are provided commercially, as you well know.

Penistone Road - as I understand it, plans are to create ADDITIONAL bus lanes, ie not taking any existing roadspace.

I haven't seen any new one way systems this week?

Wicker, it isn't a no-go area, general traffic just can't go through anymore. They spent £££££millions on a new inner relief road and quite rightly they expect you to use it. General traffic gets benefits from the IRR and buses get benefits from being able to use Wicker. Not a bad compromise?

None of your "road tax" goes to the Council, it all goes to the Treasury. This Council, like all others across the country is systematically underfunded by the government, so hard decisions have to be taken about funding priorities. Here, as in many other places, highway maintenance funding has not been a priority. It's a national problem. You don't want to pay higher taxes - don't expect premium public services.


Well said planner1, the coucil has spent ££££millions to build a pointless road, that causes more jams and tailbacks (has anybody seen the parkway in the morning), we should put up and shut up :thumbsup:

Nonsense Gazza. Parkway is much better than it has been and what the Traffic Dpt have done within the budget that they had is a massive improvement that only a dullard would contest.

There are some tweaks needed (timing / sequencing / flow) but the overall pattern is much improved at all times. Hopefully these aspects will improve in time with the experience gained.

Nonsense Gazza. Parkway is much better than it has been and what the Traffic Dpt have done within the budget that they had is a massive improvement that only a dullard would contest.

There are some tweaks needed (timing / sequencing / flow) but the overall pattern is much improved at all times. Hopefully these aspects will improve in time with the experience gained.


Don't know what time you travel on the parkway Tony ??

but at 8:45 it's backed upto Asda, this ofcourse must be due to more cars on the road.

Penistone Road - as I understand it, plans are to create ADDITIONAL bus lanes, ie not taking any existing roadspace.

I haven't seen any new one way systems this week?

Wicker, it isn't a no-go area, general traffic just can't go through anymore. They spent £££££millions on a new inner relief road and quite rightly they expect you to use it. General traffic gets benefits from the IRR and buses get benefits from being able to use Wicker. Not a bad compromise?

None of your "road tax" goes to the Council, it all goes to the Treasury. This Council, like all others across the country is systematically underfunded by the government, so hard decisions have to be taken about funding priorities. Here, as in many other places, highway maintenance funding has not been a priority. It's a national problem. You don't want to pay higher taxes - don't expect premium public services.


So where is the space going to come from to make an additional bus lane on Penistone Road?

How does general traffic benefit from not having access to the Wicker? Do they benefit when they receive an envelope from the council with a fine notice in it?

Am aware that road tax goes to the Treasury - am also aware that it is intended to fund road schemes.

I was making the point that according to the ex-Labour council we should be grateful that the Government is allowing Sheffield to effectively borrow money under the PFI scheme when we already contribute money under the road tax system.

Penistone Road - as I understand it, plans are to create ADDITIONAL bus lanes, ie not taking any existing roadspace.

I haven't seen any new one way systems this week?

Wicker, it isn't a no-go area, general traffic just can't go through anymore. They spent £££££millions on a new inner relief road and quite rightly they expect you to use it. General traffic gets benefits from the IRR and buses get benefits from being able to use Wicker. Not a bad compromise?

None of your "road tax" goes to the Council, it all goes to the Treasury. This Council, like all others across the country is systematically underfunded by the government, so hard decisions have to be taken about funding priorities. Here, as in many other places, highway maintenance funding has not been a priority. It's a national problem. You don't want to pay higher taxes - don't expect premium public services.


As for new one way systems this week, it is only (just) Wednesday.... and yesterday was a bank holiday. Theres plent of time yet.

Don't know what time you travel on the parkway Tony ??

but at 8:45 it's backed upto Asda, this ofcourse must be due to more cars on the road.

It's been like that for at least 17 years, when I used to come into town every day in the rush hour.

I'm told that the actual journey times are faster now. but I'm willing to be corrected. I don't do that route inbound every morning but I know that my journey to the airport / heliport / business park takes 17 minutes which is what it used to take on a quiet Sunday afternoon before the ring road was completed.

It's been like that for at least 17 years, when I used to come into town every day in the rush hour.

I'm told that the actual journey times are faster now. but I'm willing to be corrected. I don't do that route inbound every morning but I know that my journey to the airport / heliport / business park takes 17 minutes which is what it used to take on a quiet Sunday afternoon before the ring road was completed.

outbound is fine, the planners haven't touched this (yet)!

PLANNER1,

please tell me why this had to be changed...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/400986850_6e23e37607.jpg?v=0

Oh yes, the same Joe Taylor that stood against the none existent 'development' of Hillsborough park.

Unless he proves otherwise, I suspect he's a waster.

A little harsh, he's only been elected for five minutes give him a chance.

I agree.

Umeeksk is quite busy at the moment. Tuesday was effectively his first day as a newly elected councillor, and along with the other new councillors, he was having a tour of the Town Hall, getting his passes issued, and receiving an induction from officers.

I think it very harsh to criticise a councillor before he's even got started. If anyone wants to have a pop at Umeeksk, I think it only fair that you wait until ..... Wednesday! :hihi:

Only joking Joe! Nice to see you again today. Hope you enjoyed my survival guide for new councillors talk - and it seems that with one critic on the forum already, you're gonna need it! :)

I agree.

Umeeksk is quite busy at the moment. Tuesday was effectively his first day as a newly elected councillor, and along with the other new councillors, he was having a tour of the Town Hall, getting his passes issued, and receiving an induction from officers.

I think it very harsh to criticise a councillor before he's even got started. If anyone wants to have a pop at Umeeksk, I think it only fair that you wait until ..... Wednesday! :hihi:

Only joking Joe! Nice to see you again today. Hope you enjoyed my survival guide for new councillors talk - and it seems that with one critic on the forum already, you're gonna need it! :)

A tour on the town hall??

What next, a field trip to madame tussauds

A tour on the town hall??

What next, a field trip to madame tussauds

Do read my post again Gazza - I actually posted "a tour OF the Town Hall"

Newly elected councillors need to know where the Cabinet offices and meeting rooms are located, meet key staff, etc., etc.

Now, can we get back to the discussion about Hillsborough tram gates please.

Do read my post again Gazza - I actually posted "a tour OF the Town Hall"

Newly elected councillors need to know where the Cabinet offices and meeting rooms are located, meet key staff, etc., etc.

Now, can we get back to the discussion about Hillsborough tram gates please.

SOrry,

I thought they were shown straight to the canteen and presented with a personal cheque book to siphon off our money!

Gazza, as much as I (and you) know that's not true I do think that you have made an important point here about the perception of councillors, and one that they would do well to think about and keep in mind.

So where is the space going to come from to make an additional bus lane on Penistone Road?

How does general traffic benefit from not having access to the Wicker? Do they benefit when they receive an envelope from the council with a fine notice in it?

Am aware that road tax goes to the Treasury - am also aware that it is intended to fund road schemes.

I was making the point that according to the ex-Labour council we should be grateful that the Government is allowing Sheffield to effectively borrow money under the PFI scheme when we already contribute money under the road tax system.

Penistone Rd - from centre reserve, narrowing footways etc

General traffic has the nice new IRR to play with, they can still ACCESS Wicker, just can't go through.

Show me where it's laid down in statute that your road tax is supposed to be spent on roads. Urban myth.

Don't know what time you travel on the parkway Tony ??

but at 8:45 it's backed upto Asda, this ofcourse must be due to more cars on the road.

It's been like that for years.

It's been like that for years.

I don't know if that's a good or bad comment for you to make..

PLANNER1,

please tell me why this had to be changed...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/400986850_6e23e37607.jpg?v=0


ps, see this post.

I don't know if that's a good or bad comment for you to make..
It's the truth. You don't do yourself any favours by trying to make out that the IRR has made it worse. It hasn't.

ps, see this post.

Seen it. And your point is????????

Gazza, as much as I (and you) know that's not true I do think that you have made an important point here about the perception of councillors, and one that they would do well to think about and keep in mind.

I've already sent a PM to Umeeksk with a link to this thread. I'm sure Umeeks will, like most city councillors, be very aware of the public perception of councillors. If not, I'll show him my own bruises! :hihi:

Now, as someone without a car, and who has never travelled on the tram as far as Hillsborough, can someone explain to me what all the fuss and bother is over the tram gates?

If there are restrictions on road users - isn't that for the benefit of the travelling public on the trams, and in the interests of general road safety?

It's a fair question I believe (and, no, I'm not entreating anyone to beat me up for asking it! :) )

Seen it. And your point is????????

just wanted to show you how it looked before you ruined it!.

just wanted to show you how it looked before you ruined it!.

Providing a newer, quicker alternative isn't ruining it, it's PROGRESS!

Providing a newer, quicker alternative isn't ruining it, it's PROGRESS!


havent we been here before ?

Tony
Don't know what time you travel on the parkway Tony ??

but at 8:45 it's backed upto Asda, this ofcourse must be due to more cars on the road.

Planner1 It's been like that for years.

I don't know what their policy on tram and bus gates is, but if they get the roads back into a "driveable" state, just think how Sheffield will benefit from all those people with a few hundred quid extra a year to spend in their pockets, that won't be spent on car suspension/exhaust repairs, etc.

SOrry,

I thought they were shown straight to the canteen and presented with a personal cheque book to siphon off our money!

They get issued with their free bus pass first,then its off to the canteen

I don't know what their policy on tram and bus gates is, but if they get the roads back into a "driveable" state, just think how Sheffield will benefit from all those people with a few hundred quid extra a year to spend in their pockets, that won't be spent on car suspension/exhaust repairs, etc.

But will the Lib Dem council accept the £660m PFI arrangement that Labour secured from the government to repair every road, pavement and lamp post in Sheffield?

If not, I wonder what alternative will the Lib Dems have to achieve your wish list DIVA?

I've already sent a PM to Umeeksk with a link to this thread. I'm sure Umeeks will, like most city councillors, be very aware of the public perception of councillors. If not, I'll show him my own bruises! :hihi:

Now, as someone without a car, and who has never travelled on the tram as far as Hillsborough, can someone explain to me what all the fuss and bother is over the tram gates?

If there are restrictions on road users - isn't that for the benefit of the travelling public on the trams, and in the interests of general road safety?

It's a fair question I believe (and, no, I'm not entreating anyone to beat me up for asking it! :) )

My bold RR. Car drivers literally have to 'go round the houses' to get from one side of Hillsborough Corner to the other every day between 7am - 7pm. :roll: Like most folk who live here, I'd be in favour of the restrictions operating at peak periods similar to bus lanes, and certainly not on Sundays. 12 hours is overkill, and I'm sure at an Area Panel meeting (ages ago) there was a promise that this would be reviewed, but I've heard nothing since.

Having said that, the tram is well used, it was one of the reasons we came to live here, it takes all the hassle out of driving to town/parking. :thumbsup: Lots of people obviously agree, thats why its packed at rush hour. With so many people on flexi working - I don't know why they're not more flexible? I avoid 7:45-8:45 am like the plague, or I walk to Malin Bridge terminus, that tram isn't so busy and I need the exercise! :hihi:

Particularly as public transport journey times have halved through there and patronage levels are up 19% on avarage.

Though strangely we still don't seem to have those figures for the Malin Bridge tram, do we?

They get issued with their free bus pass first,then its off to the canteen
No canteen, not even a rest room! Disappointing, hmm?

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:rolleyes:As in no toilets?
Are you American or something? I mean a room where you can go to sit and eat your packed lunch in the absence of a canteen .... a common room, then? Whatever, there isn't one!

So... Wicker is a no go area:confused:

No, as you well know, you can go there in your car, you just can't go through.

Why is it that you moan about there not being enough high capacity roads, then when a new one is provided, you still want to go the old way?

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No, as you well know, you can go there in your car, you just can't go through.

Why is it that you moan about there not being enough high capacity roads, then when a new one is provided, you still want to go the old way?

But why is it whenever we have a new road, we have to close down the old one at the same time? Why can't some go the old way, and some the new way - that way you might end up with less congestion rather that forcing everything onto the same stretch of road.

But why is it whenever we have a new road, we have to close down the old one at the same time? Why can't some go the old way, and some the new way - that way you might end up with less congestion rather that forcing everything onto the same stretch of road.

This particular new road was provided for a specific purpose, to relieve through traffic from an area of the city to help regeneration and integration into the city centre. Giving the old route over to public transport helps speed up bus services and make them a more attractive alternative to car use.

The new road, by all accounts, is much quicker for through traffic, so why would you have any objection to using it?

No. But I do have a sense of humour (unlike some, it would seem):rolleyes:
toilet humour has never been my forte :D

toilet humour has never been my forte :D

Is this tax payers time you are wasting on this forum ? :hihi:

No, as you well know, you can go there in your car, you just can't go through.



So say I want to get to one of the shops on the Wicker, I can driver to it along the wicker in one direction, but I can't then carry on the same direction 'through', i'd have to turn around and go back the way I came, or I'll get fined?

Makes perfect sense :suspect:

So say I want to get to one of the shops on the Wicker, I can driver to it along the wicker in one direction, but I can't then carry on the same direction 'through', i'd have to turn around and go back the way I came, or I'll get fined?

Makes perfect sense :suspect:

no!

You turn left down some uneven grotty side street
Turn right at the Manchester Pub (be lucky, if there is a queue, you will be there for ages)
Turn left on the RR (towards the law courts)
Do an illegal U turn
Drive all the way to the parkway
drive back down the IRR
turn left at the wicker..

Easy if you know how ;)

But will the Lib Dem council accept the £660m PFI arrangement that Labour secured from the government to repair every road, pavement and lamp post in Sheffield?

If not, I wonder what alternative will the Lib Dems have to achieve your wish list DIVA?

And where I wonder does this £660m come from in the first place ?

Cheers

no!

You turn left down some uneven grotty side street
Turn right at the Manchester Pub (be lucky, if there is a queue, you will be there for ages)
Turn left on the RR (towards the law courts)
Do an illegal U turn
Drive all the way to the parkway
drive back down the IRR
turn left at the wicker..

Easy if you know how ;)

Whats even easier is to avoid the area completely, and write to the businesses you used to frequent, explaining why they are no longer getting your money, and to remember this at voting time :)

But will the Lib Dem council accept the £660m PFI arrangement that Labour secured from the government to repair every road, pavement and lamp post in Sheffield?

If not, I wonder what alternative will the Lib Dems have to achieve your wish list DIVA?

I feel that you are confusing a £660m hand out with permission from Gordon Brown to lend £660m and spend the next half century paying it back with interest. ;)

But I can't stop myself thinking that perhaps a stitch in time might have been a better policy for all these past years. A little road building here... a new lampost there, the odd footway repair every now and again?

The Lib-Dems are faced with no choice are they? They now have to manage the previous mismanagement within the legal and financial framework that exists. Still, the Student Games were nice for a couple of weeks.

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Did somebody just say £12m National Centre for Popular Music?

Did somebody just say £12m National Centre for Popular Music?
Luckily for our pockets, that wasn't actually the SCC that paid that time, that would be the Lottery ...

This particular new road was provided for a specific purpose, to relieve through traffic from an area of the city to help regeneration and integration into the city centre. Giving the old route over to public transport helps speed up bus services and make them a more attractive alternative to car use.

The new road, by all accounts, is much quicker for through traffic, so why would you have any objection to using it?

You see in my dictionary there's a difference between 'relieve' and 'remove completely'. I don't have any objection to using the new route, and I have indeed done so, but the problem will come when something blocks the new road and traffic has nowhere else to go any more. It just seems as though the council is determined to operate on a conservation of roads principle - if you open a new one up, you have to close one down to make up for it.

PLANNER1,

please tell me why this had to be changed...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/400986850_6e23e37607.jpg?v=0

I can tell you...

It's so traffic is moved onto the main ring road route, freeing up the area to downgrade all the roads allowing better pedestrian access to the riverside, wicker and quays area. And I for one welcome it.

Why do people get so strung up on the wicker being closed as a through route? I couldn't give a ****, and I pass that route every day/used to take the route before they changed it. The new bit of ring road has improved the traffic flow through the area hugely (my journey time has been cut from 45 mins to work to 30 mins) and made it much more reliable. PLUS it's expanded the city centre hugely and downgrading the current roads will make it a much nicer, more accessible area for pedestrians and improve public transport through the area.

Now why doesn't everyone just stop getting ****** off because they want to use 'that little stretch of road' and they can't.

I don't really get this 'expanding the city centre' bit. The city centre is too long and thin as it is if you take it as being from the bottom of the Moor down to the markets area, so adding in the Wicker as well will just make it even longer and thinner - I can't see anyone trailing from one end to the other, for example. Maybe you could add London Road onto the other end next...

Do the Lib Dems intend to do away with the tram and bus gates and open sheffields roads back to the public. Or are they happy to continue with the LABOUR POLICIES AND RAKE IN THE CASHThey won't change any unpopular Labour policies because they can blame Labour for it, same as all politicians whilst continuing to rake in the cash. Look at this government, they still blame Tories for things eleven years on and some go even further back and blame Thatcher.

Not expanding the city centre in terms of retail area, more the overall area (offices, hotels, visitor attractions etc). Just like in (dare I say it) Leeds, in the same day you wouldn't tend to walk from Clarence Docks all the way to the University side of town (the retail area is only a small part of what you would come across) yet it's all useful space.

And yes they are hoping to integrate London road better by knocking down the Manpowers building (not sure I agree with that idea) and downgrading the ring road to a single lane each way improving the ring road crossing (don't know how they're gonna do this). All in all it makes for a much better, more accessible city centre with plenty to do.

Penistone Rd - from centre reserve, narrowing footways etc

General traffic has the nice new IRR to play with, they can still ACCESS Wicker, just can't go through.

Show me where it's laid down in statute that your road tax is supposed to be spent on roads. Urban myth.


Makes perfect sense to make Penistone Road into 3 lanes when Langsett Road is devoid of traffic because of bus/tram lane restrictions.:huh:

Yes they can ACCESS the Wicker, only now it costs £60/£30 in fines to do so. Having crossed the Wicker via the Inner Ring Road on several occasions I would have no idea how to get to SADACCA building or any other of the businesses there.

Urban Myth? What is not an Urban Myth is that both Local and National Govt see car owners as a money pit to be tapped at will when ever funds are short.

Why do people get so strung up on the wicker being closed as a through route?

Because they are inflexible, set in their ways, and hate change?

Because they are inflexible, set in their ways, and hate change?

Sounds about right...

Because they are inflexible, set in their ways, and hate change?

Wow, who'd have thought that from Sheffield folk? :)

Because they are inflexible, set in their ways, and hate change?I blame it on Thatcher

PLANNER1,

please tell me why this had to be changed...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/400986850_6e23e37607.jpg?v=0

Because local drivers are thick, and when presented with a six-lane highway, collectively decided that the best course of action to acquire maximum value for money from their tax payments would be to drive on all six lanes of the highway. At the same time.

Seriously, since that junction was trimmed down to fewer lanes, and cars don't weave across several lanes as they used to before, I've seen the number of near-accidents drop from one a day to one every few weeks!

Still, the Student Games were nice for a couple of weeks.

Somewhere, I may still have the t-shirt, complete with slogan 'It's their year, it's our money'.

Sheffield does have an uncanny knack of attracting white elephants.

Have we woken up and smelt the white elephant in the room?

Sorry. Back to tram and bus gates...

I can tell you...

It's so traffic is moved onto the main ring road route, freeing up the area to downgrade all the roads allowing better pedestrian access to the riverside, wicker and quays area. And I for one welcome it.

Why do people get so strung up on the wicker being closed as a through route? I couldn't give a ****, and I pass that route every day/used to take the route before they changed it. The new bit of ring road has improved the traffic flow through the area hugely (my journey time has been cut from 45 mins to work to 30 mins) and made it much more reliable. PLUS it's expanded the city centre hugely and downgrading the current roads will make it a much nicer, more accessible area for pedestrians and improve public transport through the area.

Now why doesn't everyone just stop getting ****** off because they want to use 'that little stretch of road' and they can't.


Sorry, but you are talking out of your arse!

The idea of a relief road is to relieve traffic on other routes, not to move a problem.

Well, at least you are ok.....

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The idea of a relief road is to relieve traffic on other routes, not to move a problem.
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Not this one. As previously stated, it's primary aim is to relieve an area of the city from through traffic, but there may also be some decongestion benefits.

But will the Lib Dem council accept the £660m PFI arrangement that Labour secured from the government to repair every road, pavement and lamp post in Sheffield?

If not, I wonder what alternative will the Lib Dems have to achieve your wish list DIVA?

The question is, why were the roads allowed to get into such a state? Either way, the Lib Dems, are not inheriting a "healthy" situation.

Don't know what time you travel on the parkway Tony ??

but at 8:45 it's backed upto Asda, this ofcourse must be due to more cars on the road.

It was like that well before the ring road was started.

The new road has improved things dramatically at rush hours. It's very easy to forget what it was like before. If you've been to other cities (eg LEEDS) you'd know what real rush hour traffic is.

(Sorry this is OT)

Sorry, but you are talking out of your arse!

The idea of a relief road is to relieve traffic on other routes, not to move a problem.

Well, at least you are ok.....

What bit of my post is talking out my arse?

It was like that well before the ring road was started.

The new road has improved things dramatically at rush hours. It's very easy to forget what it was like before. If you've been to other cities (eg LEEDS) you'd know what real rush hour traffic is.

(Sorry this is OT)

Sorry,

I was not aware that LEEDS had opened a new IRR :suspect: