If so, you're not fit to be in charge of a youngster.

You let him wander off, kicking a plastic bottle around, whilst you stood transfixed at the big screen telly that you are no doubt going to use to plonk him in front of then tell him to stare at it and shut up.

You let him crawl around unsupervised - I nearly clocked him one with my trolley when I didn't see him - and you didn't give a damn.

Then when he exercised his NATURAL CURIOSITY, that you should be encouraging whilst guiding and restraining when necessary, and knocked a display over, you (mum) fawned your apologies to the assistant whilst you (dad) had a right old go at the poor little bugger and had him bawling, when the only people deserving of reprimand are yourselves.

Daft thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if you tutted your disapproval at the McCanns and gave them a right slagging off either when you read your newspaper.

Even sadder, you had another wee kiddie in the trolley too, so that's TWO kids you obviously care little about. WHY HAVE THEM IF YOU DON'T WANT THEM. Here's a useful site - http://www.durex.com/

And before anyone suggests that it was a momentary lapse, that kids do run off..no. They didn't give a damn what he was doing and where he went. I was stood at the electrical counter for a good few minutes, with one eye on the kid in case he did run off.

probably just got a crisis loan or a pay out from the social services to fund the telly

Stop bein a nosey bugger. Not your kids, so why should you be arsed? Leave 'em to it.

Indeed we should just care about ourselves right?Fortunately we live in a world where people have compassion for others and do worry even if that person is nothing to do with them.This is especially the case when they are children and are obviously vulnerable if they are'nt being looked after properly. :loopy:

If they're not being looked after properly, then they should be with someone who will do it properly.

Obviously......

Stop bein a nosey bugger. Not your kids, so why should you be arsed? Leave 'em to it.

So I was wrong to be aware of a child in case something happened.

Let's say someone went to take his hand and lead him away. It happens. If we believe the media, we live in a world frought with danger with twisted sickos lurking at every opportunity to take away and abuse kids. May sound unlikely But sometimes there are those elements, uunlikely as it may be, if it didn't happen, there wouldn't be reports of it.

Should I (a) Alert someone to the abduction even though the parents are busy watching telly or (b) say "not my problem, mustn't be a nosey bugger, leave 'em to it"

2001louise, don't assume they were some drug-addled underclass. Remember you need a trade card to use Makro, so one would assume that one parent is in employment if not a small business owner.

So I was wrong to be aware of a child in case something happened.

Let's say someone went to take his hand and lead him away. It happens. If we believe the media, we live in a world frought with danger with twisted sickos lurking at every opportunity to take away and abuse kids. May sound unlikely But sometimes there are those elements, uunlikely as it may be, if it didn't happen, there wouldn't be reports of it.

Should I (a) Alert someone to the abduction even though the parents are busy watching telly or (b) say "not my problem, mustn't be a nosey bugger, leave 'em to it"

2001louise, don't assume they were some drug-addled underclass. Remember you need a trade card to use Makro, so one would assume that one parent is in employment if not a small business owner.


don't they give makro cards away with lucky bags ?

That's JTF cards...

hi squiggs...do you have any kids............as parents were trained to keep one eye on the kids other wise we wouldnt do anything or go anywhere would we? maybe you didnt see that happening?
your comments in your first post were rather harsh .Plus all that about being abducted etc etc, this can happen regardless of how well kept the kids are and looked after.like you say look at the mcanns and the needhams. it can happen to anyones child, and we hope it doesnt. As for makro cards you can be anyone, if someone can get you a card you can use makro..ive had one and im not self employed. we got one thru work yonks ago and i still get it re-newed now no longer in that job! so dont assume cos theyve got one theyre employed or unemployed .how did you get yours?

So I was wrong to be aware of a child in case something happened.

Let's say someone went to take his hand and lead him away. It happens. If we believe the media, we live in a world frought with danger with twisted sickos lurking at every opportunity to take away and abuse kids. May sound unlikely But sometimes there are those elements, uunlikely as it may be, if it didn't happen, there wouldn't be reports of it.

Should I (a) Alert someone to the abduction even though the parents are busy watching telly or (b) say "not my problem, mustn't be a nosey bugger, leave 'em to it"

2001louise, don't assume they were some drug-addled underclass. Remember you need a trade card to use Makro, so one would assume that one parent is in employment if not a small business owner.

(b) easily...

Squiggs are you taking the p*ss is that all for crying out loud fair enough if he delibarately went rampaging round Makro & started trashing it but he knocked a flipping Display over for crying out loud it's hardly crime of the century is it.:rolleyes:

I often wonder why people post this sort of stuff. Some kid messing around in macro and you can judge the parents? Its a trivial incident simple as :gag::D

So I was wrong to be aware of a child in case something happened.

Let's say someone went to take his hand and lead him away. It happens. If we believe the media, we live in a world frought with danger with twisted sickos lurking at every opportunity to take away and abuse kids. May sound unlikely But sometimes there are those elements, uunlikely as it may be, if it didn't happen, there wouldn't be reports of it.

Should I (a) Alert someone to the abduction even though the parents are busy watching telly or (b) say "not my problem, mustn't be a nosey bugger, leave 'em to it"

2001louise, don't assume they were some drug-addled underclass. Remember you need a trade card to use Makro, so one would assume that one parent is in employment if not a small business owner.

for one i never mentioned about them being drug-addled underclass.
and you can get hold of a card from a family member who works in a business and sign in.
as i have been on the dole and borrowed my mates and got in.
my father in law and brother has one, so if i want to go to makro or jtf i use theirs and i work but cant be bothered to apply for one

Stop bein a nosey bugger. Not your kids, so why should you be arsed? Leave 'em to it.

Because when they grow up with behavioural problems and start robbing grannies on the street they become everyones problem.

Squiggs are you taking the p*ss is that all for crying out loud fair enough if he delibarately went rampaging round Makro & started trashing it but he knocked a flipping Display over for crying out loud it's hardly crime of the century is it.:rolleyes:

The child's "crime" isn't the issue here...point well and truly missed.

If he'd knocked a telly over on his head I'm sure the parents would be the first to be complaining

I often wonder why people post this sort of stuff. Some kid messing around in macro and you can judge the parents? Its a trivial incident simple as :gag::D

Yes, I can. Quite easily. I saw it. People didn't SEE the McCanns but manage to judge them quite easily..for..hmm...not knowing where their child was.

Because when they grow up with behavioural problems and start robbing grannies on the street they become everyones problem.

Exactly.

Who cares about a display stand being knocked over...the cardboard display stand and some DVD cases aren't the issue. What is the issue is the disregard for their own child's welfare and the abysmal attitude of berating a young child for their own parental shortcomings. When the child is old enough to go astray and start causing deliberate havoc and the parents show the same lack of interest, that is when you get social problems.

Children shouldn't be allowed in such places in the first place.

Makro accept children but do give regular tannoy announcements advising customers to keep their children with them. It'd be unfair to cause inconvenience to the majority of parents because of the irresponsibilities of a few.

"Cash & Carry" stores have high shelves. High shelves need machinery to be reached. Children do not mix well with machinery.

Wonder what these parents would have said if their child had wandered under a moving fork truck? Would no doubt be everybody else's fault from the fork truck driver to Gordan Brown, but not their's or their no-win no-fee solicitor's

The child's "crime" isn't the issue here...point well and truly missed.

If he'd knocked a telly over on his head I'm sure the parents would be the first to be complaining



Yes, I can. Quite easily. I saw it. People didn't SEE the McCanns but manage to judge them quite easily..for..hmm...not knowing where their child was.



Exactly.

Who cares about a display stand being knocked over...the cardboard display stand and some DVD cases aren't the issue. What is the issue is the disregard for their own child's welfare and the abysmal attitude of berating a young child for their own parental shortcomings. When the child is old enough to go astray and start causing deliberate havoc and the parents show the same lack of interest, that is when you get social problems.

The people saying it's ok to let kids run riot, are the ones that prob let their own run riot, annoying the rest of the population.

Selfish Feckers.

Children shouldn't be allowed in such places in the first place.

Well behaved children should, badly behaved shouldn't

Well behaved children should, badly behaved shouldn't

even well behaved children get bored and have an off day, children should be kept under control at all times in places like that because of the danger to themselves and others

I don't think the child was being "badly behaved" - I think posters responding with "not crime of the century" type comments have failed to grasp that. A young inquisitive child (we are talking about 4-5 yo) finds Makro boring and will investigate things out of boredom - no fault of the child.

LOL

I have 3 kids, twins at 14 and one at 11. They are perfectly well behaved kids when on their own, with my partner and me, and erm, yeah even in pairs (in any order) it's when all 3 are together they act like bulls with wasps up their butts lol.. especially in public. They all do very well in school with one twin being awarded at Ponds Forge for exemplary work in her SATS in yr 6 for achieving the highest levels. HOWEVER, when they kick off they kick off big time. Grounding has become a whole new ball game. They spend time out with their mates and also a lot of time on their PC's and Egg-Boxes. Grounding isn't easy. Do you ground them by telling them to get off their Egg-Boxes and play out, or to come in and Play on their Egg-Boxes? We sure refrain from sitting them in the same room whilst we're chilling out, as this usually ends up in the usual rolling around the room or arguing.

Keeps us happy though, well, alive anyways. Wouldn't swap them for anything in the world (maybe that large TV someone mentioned earlier mind) lol.

So I was wrong to be aware of a child in case something happened.

Let's say someone went to take his hand and lead him away. It happens. If we believe the media, we live in a world frought with danger with twisted sickos lurking at every opportunity to take away and abuse kids. May sound unlikely But sometimes there are those elements, uunlikely as it may be, if it didn't happen, there wouldn't be reports of it.

Should I (a) Alert someone to the abduction even though the parents are busy watching telly or (b) say "not my problem, mustn't be a nosey bugger, leave 'em to it"

2001louise, don't assume they were some drug-addled underclass. Remember you need a trade card to use Makro, so one would assume that one parent is in employment if not a small business owner.

Of course you weren't wrong. The world needs people who care. It makes up for those who don't. Last year I was in the supermarket. There was a young boy of around four - screaming and kicking his parents because they wouldn't buy him a box of ice lollies. They just blanked him. I don't know how he did it, but he turned the trolley over, and items were all over the floor. They just said 'I don't know where he gets it from'. When I got to the checkout, they arrived behind me - boy still bawling and kicking. Of course by this time people were saying 'I know what I would do with him, if he were mine' - together with other things I won't put here. What I did was to say to the parents 'Would you like to come in front of me? He may feel easier outside'. They did that, and when it was my turn, the lady on the till said 'Nice one'.

I don't think the child was being "badly behaved" - I think posters responding with "not crime of the century" type comments have failed to grasp that. A young inquisitive child (we are talking about 4-5 yo) finds Makro boring and will investigate things out of boredom - no fault of the child.

exactly,. so whats your problem? .... a kid got bored in a department store and knocked a display over ................. quick, telephone social services :rolleyes: ........... I'll wager that squiggs has not got children, ... the only 'perfect parents' are the childless ones :cool:

new posted instead of edited

exactly,. so whats your problem?:
Please start at the beginning. If you have to ask that, you patently have not done so. In fact you haven't even read my last post where I pointed out that the parents behaviour left much to be desired. Not asking for (or expecting) perfection - no parent is or can be "perfect" - there is no such thing.

The post of mine that you quoted was aimed at those who suggested I was complaining about "kids today" rather than the attitude of the parents.

Your summary was in the style of a Sun journalist. "Leave out the details given".

Please start at the beginning. If you have to ask that, you patently have not done so. In fact you haven't even read my last post where I pointed out that the parents behaviour left much to be desired. Not asking for (or expecting) perfection - no parent is or can be "perfect" - there is no such thing.

The post of mine that you quoted was aimed at those who suggested I was complaining about "kids today" rather than the attitude of the parents

I have started at the begining ... and i read all your posts. I abhore bad parenting and there nothing worse than badly behaved children running around a store, however i dont expect parents to be able to be superhuman and keep their kids in check 24/7 ........ even the most perfect parents sometimes get distracted.

do you have children?

No, I don't. Irrelevant. And I'm not trying to "get at" parents or be a victor meldrew complaining that they should be seen and not heard, so there is no need for you to be defensive.

I appreciate parents can get distracted - my mother did once when I took off in confusion after a woman wearing a similar coat. She wasn't a "bad mother", she had handbag, child, shopping bags and all to deal with. Things can happen an a few seconds.

What I watched was not a "distraction", it was a prolonged period of two parents just not being bothered at all. The plastic bottle being kicked around was noticed by me, by assistants and others in the store. Not by them. Gawp at the big tellies. Around the other side of the square electrical counter rambles the child. Kicking a bottle around the floor. The relevance of the bottle isn't as a complaint, rather that the noise would draw attention. The child gets a good way away from his parents (there are 4 long rows of tv's, then a counter, he's off beyond the counter by now.

So not a case of distraction at all.

And neither can the shouting and tellings off be attributed to "distraction". A 4 year old being told off for being inquisitive is not right. Not when he has been given the freedom to go off and do whatever. Yes, looking after a child can be stressful but projecting your own shortcomings onto the child and using that to let off steam is nothing to do with being superhuman or being distracted.

If so, you're not fit to be in charge of a youngster.

You let him wander off, kicking a plastic bottle around, whilst you stood transfixed at the big screen telly that you are no doubt going to use to plonk him in front of then tell him to stare at it and shut up.

You let him crawl around unsupervised - I nearly clocked him one with my trolley when I didn't see him - and you didn't give a damn.

Then when he exercised his NATURAL CURIOSITY, that you should be encouraging whilst guiding and restraining when necessary, and knocked a display over, you (mum) fawned your apologies to the assistant whilst you (dad) had a right old go at the poor little bugger and had him bawling, when the only people deserving of reprimand are yourselves.

Daft thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if you tutted your disapproval at the McCanns and gave them a right slagging off either when you read your newspaper.

Even sadder, you had another wee kiddie in the trolley too, so that's TWO kids you obviously care little about. WHY HAVE THEM IF YOU DON'T WANT THEM. Here's a useful site - http://www.durex.com/

And before anyone suggests that it was a momentary lapse, that kids do run off..no. They didn't give a damn what he was doing and where he went. I was stood at the electrical counter for a good few minutes, with one eye on the kid in case he did run off.


Hideously boring. Can I have my 3 minutes back please?

No, I don't. Irrelevant. And I'm not trying to "get at" parents or be a victor meldrew complaining that they should be seen and not heard, so there is no need for you to be defensive.

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I wasn't being defensive at all, i simply asked if you had any children ... which when your criticising others parenting capacity ... is very relevant. Anyway, i have no desire to argue with you, i was simply adding my two penith.

In defence of the OP:o

I used to work for a well known DIY store. Kids were always running around the store:loopy: One day a small child decided to run around the paint aisle scraping his hands along the tins of paint. He caught a tin by the handle and 5 litres of paint went everywhere. Shame it went all over his trousers too:hihi:

The usual response from the parents 'I told you not to go running off'

how cheap is makro? thinking about investigating in a bit

Hideously boring. Can I have my 3 minutes back please?

No. Learn to read quicker.

how cheap is makro? thinking about investigating in a bit

Not cheap at all - only good for special offers.

Beer is only about the same price as spar's special offers - you just have to buy more at a time.
Lav roll is cheap but only the cheap nasty stuff where the perforations never line up.

Not many true bargains to be had, it's only cheaper if you're using it as it was meant to be - a wholesaler - and claiming your VAT back.

so did you watch for a prolonged period, or were you stood there for a few minutes, as you've stated both in different posts.

How long does it usually take you to judge total strangers?

Did you offer to help, or just make a mental note to come and share your ever-so exciting afternoon with the rest of SF :lol:

I find knitting boring dear, but I don't feel the need to chase into your threads to tell you that I don't share your same interests....

A few minutes IS a prolonged period to leave a small child in a public place without watching him. And no, there was no possibility of "corner of the eye" watching as someone suggested earlier.

As for "offering to help", no I didn't. "Excuse me but would you like me to mind your child for you while you shop for a TV?" OF COURSE NOT! Believe me, it was not like they needed "assistance" - they just weren't bothered where the kid wandered off to.

As for sharing it with you, well, if you get your wool out of a tangle for a minute and read the thread title, it was not you that the thread was aimed at. Though thanks for your contribution in bumping it to increase the (admittedly small) chance that the people I was aiming my comments at, actually read SF and see it.

I find knitting boring dear, but I don't feel the need to chase into your threads to tell you that I don't share your same interests....

A few minutes IS a prolonged period to leave a small child in a public place without watching him. And no, there was no possibility of "corner of the eye" watching as someone suggested earlier.

As for "offering to help", no I didn't. "Excuse me but would you like me to mind your child for you while you shop for a TV?" OF COURSE NOT! Believe me, it was not like they needed "assistance" - they just weren't bothered where the kid wandered off to.

As for sharing it with you, well, if you get your wool out of a tangle for a minute and read the thread title, it was not you that the thread was aimed at. Though thanks for your contribution in bumping it to increase the (admittedly small) chance that the people I was aiming my comments at, actually read SF and see it.


You have an awful grasp of English grammar.

how cheap is makro? thinking about investigating in a bit

In my experience exactly 17.5% cheaper until you get to the till :hihi:

You have an awful grasp of English grammar.

Perhaps. I do know what "hypocrisy" means however. And calling someone an "arrogant bully" for criticising another's usage of the English language might be seen as hypocrisy.




Before you start banging on about immigrants, how about you learn your own language? I'm ashamed to share a football stadium with you: although you must reel in horror every time you walk through Sharrow to get to BDTBL...

Maybe he is dyslexic you arrogant bully.

You have a point. Trying to beat down another user based on spelling and grammar might be arrogant. As for "bully" - well perhaps you try to be. Not a very sucessful one however.

Plus all that about being abducted etc etc, this can happen regardless of how well kept the kids are and looked after.like you say look at the mcanns and the needhams. it can happen to anyones child, and we hope it doesnt.

Abduction can't happen to anyone's child - just those whose parents aren't looking after them properly. And I wouldn't try to use the McCanns as an example of good parenting if I were you...

But that's a bit off-topic here.

I find knitting boring dear, but I don't feel the need to chase into your threads to tell you that I don't share your same interests....

I didn't 'chase' into (?) anything, I clicked on a thread that had an interesting headline, compared to the drab contents, do you work for The Star? :lol:

A few minutes IS a prolonged period to leave a small child in a public place without watching him.

I never asked how long the child was left for, I asked you how long it takes you to judge total strangers, and wether you were watching someone elses child for a prolonged period as you stated in one thread, or watching for a few minutes.


As for sharing it with you, well, if you get your wool out of a tangle for a minute and read the thread title, it was not you that the thread was aimed at. Though thanks for your contribution in bumping it to increase the (admittedly small) chance that the people I was aiming my comments at, actually read SF and see it.

I think you'll find quite a few hundred people will probably read all about you watching someones elses child, and managing to judge complete strangers within minutes.

Does mentioning knitting turn you on? :lol:

Perhaps. I do know what "hypocrisy" means however. And calling someone an "arrogant bully" for criticising another's usage of the English language might be seen as hypocrisy.



You have a point. Trying to beat down another user based on spelling and grammar might be arrogant. As for "bully" - well perhaps you try to be. Not a very sucessful one however.


Roflcopter @ you researching my previous posts. I'm flattered actually.

Maybe if you didn't come on here preaching to other parents how to do their job you wouldn't come across as revolting as you do.

(by the way, keep using those quotation marks, they look really good and get your point across brilliantly lol)

I agree with you Squiggs. I think the people who are picking holes in your posts are probably just the sort of people you're posting about. They'll let anyone keep an eye on their kids rather than do it themselves, and then when anything happens, it's either the kid's fault or someone else's fault, never theirs.

They have about as much idea of looking after their children properly as certain other people (who've been mentioned on this thread already) had.

For a boring topic Mholey you're certainly making a lot of posts (despite not actually understanding the OP).

Children shouldn't be allowed in such places in the first place.

what, a shop?!

So ... squiggs sees parents in makro who are distracted because there contemplating an expensive purchase for a few minutes (as quoted in post 35#) and instantly judges the parenting capacity of total strangers.

only a childless person could be so judgemental :rolleyes:

squiggs .... if you dont like people disagreeing with you, ... dont post on a public forum ... we are all allowed an opinion.

Is the OP so difficult to read.
The distraction wasn't the main issue, although both distracted for several minutes is quite extreme.
Their main failure (as I read it) was to then blame the small child for their inability to control it.

We are all allowed an opinion, some people seem to be shouting Squiggs down, using the "you don't have children" chant, which generally translates to "I can't think of a better argument".

Then when he exercised his NATURAL CURIOSITY, that you should be encouraging whilst guiding and restraining when necessary, and knocked a display over, you (mum) fawned your apologies to the assistant whilst you (dad) had a right old go at the poor little bugger and had him bawling, when the only people deserving of reprimand are yourselves.


I think this part of the original post was the worrying bit; the parents ignoring the child until he caused an accident, and then having a 'right old go' at him until he was inconsolable.

After reading the thread title, I came on here ready to potentially fight for the cause of parents of kids with aspergers and autism whose behaviour is often mistaken for naughtiness, but I have to say that after reading the OP I have to agree that these parents were out of order having a go at a small inquisitive child who was just amusing himself in the absence of parental control.

hi squiggs...do you have any kids


I so dislike this phrase. And it always comes out.

I haven't got kids, so I'm on the dark side here. But I've taken my friends kids to the supermarket, and even when they are seemingly angelic in the car on the way, they can turn into nightmares once entering a store. However, from what was described in the first post.. and assuming it's accurate, I'm with him/her.

Even the sight of a brand new 42" plasma showing Amanda Lamb's latest lingerie products, wouldn't allow me to take my eyes of them, and keep them in line.

probably just got a crisis loan or a pay out from the social services to fund the telly

Don't be silly, people like that go to brighthouse, or or other licenced brokers ..... who can legally charge huge amounts of interest over many years .......

I don't think the child was being "badly behaved" - I think posters responding with "not crime of the century" type comments have failed to grasp that. A young inquisitive child (we are talking about 4-5 yo) finds Makro boring and will investigate things out of boredom - no fault of the child.

You are right, a bit of discipline, nay, attention would sort stuff out normally. Christ(TM) knows how many times my kids have annoyed me while in shops and such, but as a parent, I'd deal with them before anything.

Don't be silly, people like that go to brighthouse, or or other licenced brokers ..... who can legally charge huge amounts of interest over many years .......


People like that?

Care to elaborate?

I loved going to Makro as a kid - thought the huge blocks of cheese were fascinating!

Stop bein a nosey bugger. Not your kids, so why should you be arsed? Leave 'em to it.

are you for real?

probably just got a crisis loan or a pay out from the social services to fund the telly

Well said.

Keep your nose out.:loopy:

Sqiggs - I applaued you i get sick of parents that dont keep their kids under control. In supermarkets climbing shelves, kids screaming and parents not saying anything to them. Kids running around in shops and even kicking a ball around in the shops and wearing thoes annoying roller trainers.

If has done that when i was a kid my mum and dad would have given me a smack and that is what is lacking theses days

Sqiggs - I applaued you i get sick of parents that dont keep their kids under control. In supermarkets climbing shelves, kids screaming and parents not saying anything to them. Kids running around in shops and even kicking a ball around in the shops and wearing thoes annoying roller trainers.

If has done that when i was a kid my mum and dad would have given me a smack and that is what is lacking theses days

Are you suggesting that a child of 4 –5 years old who gets into trouble due to lack of parental supervision should be given a “good hiding” - if so I sincerely hope you are not a parent or have any control over young children!

I work hard at being a responsible parent however over the last few years there have been momentary lapses in controlling my children’s behaviour, but I hope I would never resort to physically punishing a child for my shortcomings.

If has done that when i was a kid my mum and dad would have given me a smack and that is what is lacking theses days


Thankfully lacking.

Sorry but I am not branding a lad "a bad kid"

I ALMOST never got a smack - the idea was there and yes, I knew it could happen, but I was cared for and looked after and a smack was rarely administered - if ever. I can't remember getting anything than just a quick clip that served as a shock rather than a painful punishment.

You missed the point - the child didn't deserve a smack. Perhaps my fault for "venting" that I didn't explain myself, though it reads back clearly to me. The child deserved telling "no" rather than just being ignored.

jesus, get a life

Sqiggs - I applaued you i get sick of parents that dont keep their kids under control. In supermarkets climbing shelves, kids screaming and parents not saying anything to them. Kids running around in shops and even kicking a ball around in the shops and wearing thoes annoying roller trainers.



I can kinda cope with the kids that muck around in shops - it's the number of supposed adults that do it I find difficult.

FFS, how many people here dont actually understand the OP?

please put your hands up

People like that?

Care to elaborate?

Certainly. People who would qualify for a Crisis Loan would be unlikely to have a card to use in Makro, and the amount lent for a Crisis Loan wouldn't be enough to buy said stuff.

Certainly. People who would qualify for a Crisis Loan would be unlikely to have a card to use in Makro, and the amount lent for a Crisis Loan wouldn't be enough to buy said stuff.

and why is that, i know people on the dole with a makro card or people just borrow one from friends or family.
i have borrowed my mates makro or jtf card in the past.
and for a crisis loan, yes the state wont pay out for a tv, but people could lie through their back teeth and make something up to get one, and even a community care grant or a loan from s.s to fund it.

Hideously boring. Can I have my 3 minutes back please?

3 minutes? :confused:

I often wonder why people post this sort of stuff. Some kid messing around in macro and you can judge the parents? Its a trivial incident simple as :gag::D

They should be playing with the traffic or on the railway lines like proper kids do. That way the parents have someone to sue when disaster happens.

If so, you're not fit to be in charge of a youngster.

You let him wander off, kicking a plastic bottle around, whilst you stood transfixed at the big screen telly that you are no doubt going to use to plonk him in front of then tell him to stare at it and shut up.

You let him crawl around unsupervised - I nearly clocked him one with my trolley when I didn't see him - and you didn't give a damn.

Then when he exercised his NATURAL CURIOSITY, that you should be encouraging whilst guiding and restraining when necessary, and knocked a display over, you (mum) fawned your apologies to the assistant whilst you (dad) had a right old go at the poor little bugger and had him bawling, when the only people deserving of reprimand are yourselves.

Daft thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if you tutted your disapproval at the McCanns and gave them a right slagging off either when you read your newspaper.

Even sadder, you had another wee kiddie in the trolley too, so that's TWO kids you obviously care little about. WHY HAVE THEM IF YOU DON'T WANT THEM. Here's a useful site - http://www.durex.com/

And before anyone suggests that it was a momentary lapse, that kids do run off..no. They didn't give a damn what he was doing and where he went. I was stood at the electrical counter for a good few minutes, with one eye on the kid in case he did run off.

Did someone get out of the wrong side of bed this morning?

Squiggs mate I have to see I agree with you and I DO have children myself and have had to make many a fast exit when they were really little and kicking up a fuss in restaurants and shops.

However, it's one thing to get distracted but entirely another to allow a small child free rein in a shop, which as you point out has fork lift trucks and loads of other potential hazards. If that had been me I'd have just plonked him in the trolley with the other kid & kept an eye on him that way.

I once went into a sports shop and was flabbergasted to see a young child skateboarding all over the place with the mother totally aware of what he was doing but not remotely concerned. It wasn't until the shop assistant had a word with her after I pointed out how dangerous it was, that she then bawled him out. I am often amazed at how irresponsible some parents are.

Dave

2 kids in Decathalon yesterday riding the scooters they'd taken from a display all over the shop. I didn't even see the parents.

2 kids in Decathalon yesterday riding the scooters they'd taken from a display all over the shop. I didn't even see the parents.

Yeah it's not good. I try to keep mine on a tight leash whilst shopping, if poss prefer to shop without them as understandably their boredom threshold is very low. We seldom need to shop en famille so tend to try and have them at home with my OH or she goes out and shops alone.
It's lazy and poor parenting. Before anyone has a go at me I'd like to reiterate that dealing with a truculent child and a momentary distraction is entirely different to letting them run amok without any supervision.

Dave

Are you suggesting that a child of 4 –5 years old who gets into trouble due to lack of parental supervision should be given a “good hiding” - if so I sincerely hope you are not a parent or have any control over young children!

I work hard at being a responsible parent however over the last few years there have been momentary lapses in controlling my children’s behaviour, but I hope I would never resort to physically punishing a child for my shortcomings.


I was given a warning before the smack and probably a second warning never a third then i would get a smack. i dont have any kids never had the desire to have any but that is my own personal choice. I'm not a very tolerent person, but again we are all different and i am entilted to my views just like everyone else on here.

After reading the thread title, I came on here ready to potentially fight for the cause of parents of kids with aspergers and autism whose behaviour is often mistaken for naughtiness, but I have to say that after reading the OP I have to agree that these parents were out of order having a go at a small inquisitive child who was just amusing himself in the absence of parental control.

yep, me too, i'm not the best parent, but manage (just) to keep 4 (2 with said condition) under control. and if 1 of them does "run riot" either me or oh swiftly takes them outside and waits there till the other has quickly finished buying the essentials, these being food not tv's.
why anyone with a small kid would want to buy a huge brand new tv is beyond me, but thats cause i know ours would poss end up broken.

part of "good parenting" is to ignore the bad behaviour, and praise the good, sounds like these over did the ignoring bit:rolleyes: (just incase any mis-interpretation, thats ignore bad if not causeing danger to themselves or others) not saying the parents op was talking about were practiceing this.

WHY don't people read original posts? Squiggs totally agree with you I am a mom to 2 lads in their early teens now and I would never have left them in a supermarket unsupervised how can some of you defend this? :loopy:Kids create, my youngest did but it is not about this it's parents leaving kids on there own to let them run riot!!!!

Let me tell you, the amount of children we have taken back to their parents when we have found them crying in an aisle to find the parent didn't even know they had dissapeared. A few weeks ago we had a little boy about 2 years old crying found his mum walked him round till he saw her she was talking on her mobile phone, she didn't even thank us for finding him she just said "George I told you not to run off" tutted carried on chatting on her phone. Boxing day last year a little boy threw up on the department mum grabbed him by the hand and rollocked him, obviously he had just spoilt her days shopping BUT she didn't even come up to us and say sorry so we had to clean it up. We get them running round knocking into things knocking things over running their grubby hands across the stock. My other half works in a supermarket and a little lad climbed out of his trolley seat into the freezers and weed all over the stock all in full view of his mother with nothing said at all. All the stock had to be thrown away the whole chest!

Perhaps those who think Squiggs is wrong to comment on something they find unacceptable would find it acceptable to eat pi**ed on prawns!