Does anybody know where a good place to go is, and how much they cost roughly?

Thanks

have you had this breed before? they are quite a handful!

This is a good place to check out. They also do Puggles which have excellent temperaments. Give them a call as they always know of somebody who has puppies.

http://www.foxislegundogs.co.uk/

puggles have excellent temperaments? who told you that?

if you cross a stubborn, dominant pug with a determined, difficult to train beagle, are you really going to get a dog with an 'excellent temperament' (a phrase which is as essential to a dog ad in the freepapers as 'GSOH' is for a dating ad)

puggles have excellent temperaments? who told you that?

if you cross a stubborn, dominant pug with a determined, difficult to train beagle, are you really going to get a dog with an 'excellent temperament' (a phrase which is as essential to a dog ad in the freepapers as 'GSOH' is for a dating ad)


You are absolutely right. I am in total agreement with what you have just stated.

What I should have said is that I know many people who have got Puggels from this breeder and they have all got excellent, relaxed, friendly attitudes.

I've never dealt with them myself but I've been led to believe that they excell at breeding dogs with good temprements. All mothers dogs can be seen etc.

I have heard many stories of bad breeders but I've heard nothing but good stuff about Foxile gundogs!

foxile gundogs? thanks ill look into it.

ive never owned a dog before, but my girlfriend and i are looking into getting one for out new flat

Puggles are the latest fad in America - partly for the cutesy name

forgive me for being less than enamoured with the breed, but the beagle has been introduced to the pug reputedly to sort out the breathing difficulties that pugs have due to their breeding, but the flip side of that is that you're taking a perfectly healthy beagle and deliberately introducing 'defects' to it

at the moment I don't think there are enough generations of 'puggles' in existence for them to actually be a breed - they're still crosses

until a dog and a bitch can be mated and produce pups that are consistent and look like their parents, all you have is crosses, not a new breed of dog (I was a JRT fan before they were KC reg btw ;) )

foxile gundogs? thanks ill look into it.

ive never owned a dog before, but my girlfriend and i are looking into getting one for out new flat
for the flat or for you? ;)

you may find it difficult to find somebody willing to sell you a dog if you live in a flat. Many breeders and rescue centres insist on doing homechecks

I don't like this criteria, but I will say that you're likely to struggle more with house training if you don't have access to an outside door in your flat - an older dog may be better suited to your situation if that's the case

have you checked it's okay to have a dog in your flat? many building owners don't allow them - and as I volunteer for a rescue centre, I'd hate to see another dog tossed into the system if you get found out with a dog you shouldn't have :(

This is a good place to check out. They also do Puggles which have excellent temperaments. Give them a call as they always know of somebody who has puppies.

http://www.foxislegundogs.co.uk/
I've seen that website before

We must have a thread somewhere with it in

Now if I could only remember exactly why it's on my blacklist :(

I've seen that website before

We must have a thread somewhere with it in

Now if I could only remember exactly why it's on my blacklist :(

Please can you let me know (on this thread or PM) if this is a bad breeder. I have only based my opinions on my friends who have actually bought dogs from them (and they have all been smashing dogs). However the last thing I would want to do is promote bad breeding.

Thank you.

I have got a pug and i love him to bits! He's not the best behaved dog in the world lol but i wouldn't change him for anything. I would definatly get another. He cost me a little under £1000 (very much worth it though!)...

I've seen that website before

We must have a thread somewhere with it in

Now if I could only remember exactly why it's on my blacklist :(

Might it have something to do with the fact they are listing no lessthan 7 different breeds of dog (plus 'other') that they are prepared to breed and the word 'farm' appears early on in their description?

Might it have something to do with the fact they are listing no lessthan 7 different breeds of dog (plus 'other') that they are prepared to breed and the word 'farm' appears early on in their description?


I understand that Puppy farms are bad but that doesn't necessarily mean people who breed dogs who live on a farm are bad?

I've looked on their website and even though they do breed 7 difference breeds of dogs, they don't seem to breed them all at once.

Any concrete evidence on these being bad breeders would be really useful as I have a friend is going to by a labradoodle from them and it would break his heart to know he has encouraged irresponsible breeding.

right - that took some finding!!
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=212556

that was the thread I think I was looking for, and checking the addresses from the news articles, I don't think these are the same people

it isn't a place I'd choose to purchase a dog from - there are way too many breeds of dog there for them to be selectively breeding, and the availability of crossbreeds does make them look like they're breeding for retail

... however... they do make the statement that they will always take one of their own dogs back - which is always my benchmark for ensuring that a breeder does actually care for the dogs they produce


If you're planning to buy any dog at all, do make sure you talk to as many breeders as possible before you decide who you're happy to hand over cash to - and make sure you have a good understanding of the breed before you make a final decision :)

Any concrete evidence on these being bad breeders would be really useful as I have a friend is going to by a labradoodle from them and it would break his heart to know he has encouraged irresponsible breeding.if you read their info on their labradoodles, they aren't yet able to produce 'pedigree' labradoodles yet - they're still at the crossbreed stage where they haven't achieved a consistent litter yet

make sure your friend isn't parting with top prices for a dog who's not suitable to be kept by the breeder for further breeding ;)

This is a good place to check out. They also do Puggles which have excellent temperaments. Give them a call as they always know of somebody who has puppies.

http://www.foxislegundogs.co.uk/

puggles?

Oh, boy! For crying out loud:- MORE fad-driven mongrels and crossbreeds to fill up the rescue centres. great.

ahem - this breeder takes their dogs back if they're unwanted, but that does mean owners have to both remember that and face taking the dog back

oh dear lord not foxisle gundogs!!!

They breed or have bred just about every breed of dog and yet nobody has cottoned on to the fact that they could just be... a puppy farm :rolleyes:

If ever someone wanted a money making business foxisle gundogs was it!!

I understand that Puppy farms are bad but that doesn't necessarily mean people who breed dogs who live on a farm are bad?

I've looked on their website and even though they do breed 7 difference breeds of dogs, they don't seem to breed them all at once.

Any concrete evidence on these being bad breeders would be really useful as I have a friend is going to by a labradoodle from them and it would break his heart to know he has encouraged irresponsible breeding.

The only 'concrete' evidence I have is copies of Your Dog Magazine where they advertise a different bloody breed of dog for sale every month.

A good breeder specialises in one or two different breeds. There is far too much to learn about one breed to be able to learn all you need to know about several in order to breed properly, understanding the genetics and provide ongoing advice throughout the dogs life.

Reputable, good breeders will be devoted to 'their' breed, spending their entire life learning more about them and trying to better their lines. They don't churn out whatever's making the most money at that time.

I'd be interested to know if any of the pups your friends have bought have been KC reg'd? I know KC isn't the be all and end all but I suspect the reason for some not being (I knew someone with a non registered, non hearing tested dalmatian from Foxisle Gundogs) is that they breed them too many times for some litters to be registered (KC limit is three).

I'd advise your friends to go to a small time breeder who breeds the occasional litter for the right moral and ethical reasons with all health tests done.

I'd rather flush £500 down the loo than give it to Foxisle Gundogs for a pup.

I've just called one of my friends who has told me that his Puggle (which he got from Foxilse) isn't KC registered because it is obviously a cross.

He did re-assure me that the people who run foxilse spent over 1 hour asking him questions about his experience of dogs, where he lives etc. Apparently they do take back any dogs that are unwanted and provide puppy packs etc. Also, they other a free basic advice line regarding training tips and general problems you may encounter with a new pup etc.

When my friend went up to collect his pup there was a family kicking off because their 13 year old son wanted a 'mans dog'. The guy at foxilse actually turned the family away suggesting they were not serious about dog ownership.

Maybe they do breed dogs as a business but maybe they are simply a business that is well run?

I understand that Puppy farms are bad but that doesn't necessarily mean people who breed dogs who live on a farm are bad?

I've looked on their website and even though they do breed 7 difference breeds of dogs, they don't seem to breed them all at once.

Any concrete evidence on these being bad breeders would be really useful as I have a friend is going to by a labradoodle from them and it would break his heart to know he has encouraged irresponsible breeding.


Sorry I didnt mean to imply it WAS a puppy farm, only that the wording in the intro may have made some people think it was. I do have misgivings about breeders who 'specialise' in several different breeds though- you cannot possibly be an expert in them all and breeding 7 different types of dog suggests more than just interest in improving the breed...sounds more like plenty of pups and income being raised

puggles?

Oh, boy! For crying out loud:- MORE fad-driven mongrels and crossbreeds to fill up the rescue centres. great.

Hey PT- they're even calling them HYBRIDS now, rather than mongrels or crossbreeds- as if that makes them sound any better (or rather, worth the high price tag)

that winds me up too - a hybrid is a cross of species! So no, a crossbreed is nothing like a hybrid!!

good breeders dont breed as a business- they breed to improve the breed and because they are devoted to that breed- many actually loes money because they spend a heck of a lot of it on testing, insurance, showing and looking after their dogs. Ive no time for breeders who are in it for the money, as a business- that implies they have a lot of bitches on the go constantly spitting out pups.

that winds me up too - a hybrid is a cross of species! So no, a crossbreed is nothing like a hybrid!!

I know but sounds 'designer' though, doesnt it? Anyone mad enough to throw upwards of a grand at a crossbreed/hybrid/whatever you want to dress it up as has got to have a screw loose or more money than sense

Have to confess, looking at the website I'm a tad confused...

On the drop down breeds list (God Almighty :rolleyes: ) there are:
Labradoodle
Labrador
Cocker Spaniel
Cocker Poo
Standard Poodle
Beagle
Goldendoodle

And then... Crossbreeds!! WTF are cocker poos, labradoodles and goldendoodles then?! Cos they sure as hell aint pure breeds!!!!

I would have to ask myself, why would someone with a genuine interest in breeding good specimen dogs choose to breed all these designer dogs and crossbreeds?

They say they only use their own dogs and you can see both parents... they breed goldendoodles but not golden retrievers :suspect:

And 'other' whats that then? I can only assume 'other' is to guage the interest in other breeds so that they can then choose to breed whatever brings in the dosh.

I'd also be a little concerned about the seemingly shallow gene pool... some they have bred and if you look at other breeders websites they will always give credit to the breeder of their dogs if they haven't bred them. There's no mention of where their dogs have come from or the usual 'thank you for letting this dog live with us' to the breeder of one of their dogs.

Ok, so they put all the gumph in there to make it look highly professional but personally I would be VERY WARY regardless of what they say! A good breeder has no reason to have to breed so many breeds (and like I say, I knew someone with a dally from these people so it's not just the 7 'breeds' on the website!

good breeders dont breed as a business- they breed to improve the breed and because they are devoted to that breed- many actually loes money because they spend a heck of a lot of it on testing, insurance, showing and looking after their dogs. Ive no time for breeders who are in it for the money, as a business- that implies they have a lot of bitches on the go constantly spitting out pups.

Such as this quote from the website:

"The popularity of our first litters was such that we have also invested in a pure chocolate bred male Poodle puppy for the future" :shocked: (This is in the information on labradoodles and goldendoodles)

Hmmm 'money, money, money' I would avoid like the plague. I get Your Dog mag too and have noticed a rising number of ads from people selling crossbreeds for silly money.

I am against bad breeders in every possible sense and I thank you for all your information.

Something I would like to clarify is why are some people against designer dogs. Don't get me wrong, I detest the title and at the end of the day they are not a breed but a cross, but I have read on this forum before how cross breeds are usually more healthy since they don't have the defects of a pedigree.

I actually remember watching crufts last year and a vet was saying that a labradoodle that is bred from two healthy parents is an excetionally healthy dog.

so if somebody takes very health pedigree to create an even healthier dog (which is a cross) is a good thing...isn't it.

(by the way, loving the debate!!)

that all depends - as the breeders of the original poodles with great hips may not feel the same way about having their breed mixed with a rickety labrador - and I've already outlined my issue with puggles - just try googling that word and see how many 'cute' but pretty deformed looking pups have been produced - and why are there so many damned puppy pics online of them but so few of adult dogs? does this not suggest that they are a fashion item that people are quickly tiring of?

first crosses can be worse healthwise than a pure breed - but genuine mongrels can be healthier

also - where are those figures generated? vets? could it just be that people are more inclined to spend money on the health of their pedigree dog than they would be on a dog of mixed breeding?

I love cross breeds - they're adorable... and there are plenty of them in the pound...

I'm not against cross breeds at all - I'm against the breeding of such dogs for money. People will happily cross two pedigrees because it makes twice as much money as a well bred pedigree dog.

The fact is, good breeders are working to resolve the health defects in pedigree dogs without crossing them for double the money just because they have a silly name.

Many crossbreeds aren't healthier and there is NO guarantee what characteristics the pup will inherit from which parent so the hypoallergenic coat argument is a load of old tosh.

I've nothing against cross breeds either -owned a fair few in my time BUT I object to people making grossly obscene amounts of money out of gullible owners who somehow think it is normal to pay £1000 for a crossbreed just because it is trendy at the time when the dog pounds are full of them.

To be sure a dog is healthy and has all the best qualities for the breed or combination of breeds, you need to have a lot of experience of the breeds concerned and you cannot get consistency just by shoving 2 animals together, their progeny may turn out entirely different and the progeny of those pups in turn will probably be a mish-mash. They may inherite a whole host of medical problems. Purebreds are developed from careful breeding, taking account of genetics, health, conformation and temperament of the animals bred from.

and as I've said many times before too- no such thing as a hypoallergenic dog or cat- if you are allergic to an animal it is usally the dander that carries the allergens (the skin cells, muck and other stuff that falls off an animal - not necessarily the fur).

poodles make me sneeze... no idea why, but they do

that all depends - as the breeders of the original poodles with great hips may not feel the same way about having their breed mixed with a rickety labrador - and I've already outlined my issue with puggles - just try googling that word and see how many 'cute' but pretty deformed looking pups have been produced - and why are there so many damned puppy pics online of them but so few of adult dogs? does this not suggest that they are a fashion item that people are quickly tiring of?

first crosses can be worse healthwise than a pure breed - but genuine mongrels can be healthier

also - where are those figures generated? vets? could it just be that people are more inclined to spend money on the health of their pedigree dog than they would be on a dog of mixed breeding?

The labrador that my family had when I was a small child had no end of problems. (she was nasty, and bit me and my sister)

My father belted me and my sister, when he found the puppy limping, about three weeks after he got her, thinking we had been messing with the dog, and had hurt her.

However, when he got her to the vet, it was discovered she had shockingly bad hip scores, even at a few weeks old. Her hips were beggared, and would need replacements, at a young age. (maybe that was what made her so nasty.

the farmer who bred her was shocked:- "but, she's from two pedigrees! how's she got bad hips?!"

Well... duh! can YOU say "Idiot, breeding indiscriminately!?!?" cos *I* can!

It really upsets me, and makes me angry, all this fad-breeding of dogs, from people who haven't the first idea of how to breed the bad out and the good into a dog.

All it's doing is stocking the blooming rescue kennels to the gunnels with ill and unwanted dogs

I too am against people breeding these crosses for huge amounts of money.
Designer crosses as they are called are now turning up in rescue, I have just taken a little one in that was thrown out on xmas day ! Labradoodles are also coming up in rescue. :rant:

Does this place have pet shop license to buy in dogs from Ireland and Wales or just a breeders license ? either way I would not buy from them. We hear so namy stories of unhealthy dogs bout from similar establishments, they need medical treatment most of their lives and cost owners a fortune:mad:

Remember that you will have this dog for 15 years if you're lucky, the right one is worth waiting for. i know i would always buy from a good breeder who has raised the pups in a home environment, where i can see the mother and pup together. It's a lot of money and heartache to risk, and i don't think it's worth it.