This isn't a thread for how you should take penalties to be honest.

It is more the laws around taking one.

I always thought that when taking a penalty it had to be a smooth running/walking motion without any stopping (I do remember one having to be re-taken a fair few years since because he stopped on the way towards the ball) and then obviously hitting it.

Now young Christiano Ronaldo does stop everytime on his run up.

Can anyone clarify on this rule? Or was it just a rule that got outlawed?

I thought it got changed at the same time as the law that the goalkeeper had to be motionless until the penalty was kicked.

I remember when England had a shoot-out against Spain in Euro 96 that one of their players paused in the run up and I was disgusted.

Why is it now allowed?

Not only does it give the taker a huge advantage, it also causes players to run into the box much earlier, meaning it has to be re-taken.

I'd like to see an end to this. Ferguson praised Ronaldo for putting it away the second time, but he should be pulling him up for it.

And then after the match, even Wenger who moans about everything doesn't comment on it. Needs looking at, regardless of the current rules.

I think it's unsportsman-like.

I remember when England had a shoot-out against Spain in Euro 96 that one of their players paused in the run up and I was disgusted.

Why is it now allowed?

Not only does it give the taker a huge advantage, it also causes players to run into the box much earlier, meaning it has to be re-taken.

I'd like to see an end to this. Ferguson praised Ronaldo for putting it away the second time, but he should be pulling him up for it.

And then after the match, even Wenger who moans about everything doesn't comment on it. Needs looking at, regardless of the current rules.

I think it's unsportsman-like.


Rules are the same for all players.

Surely you have to admire him for the concentration, skill, and confidence that is needed to take a penalty in this way especially when it has to be retaken.

Surely you have to admire him for the concentration, skill, and confidence that is needed to take a penalty in this way especially when it has to be retaken.

I admire him for his ability, he's a great player. But I don't admire him for what I deem to be unsportsman-like behaviour.

Surely a footballer of Ronaldos capabilities should only need to take it once.

I remember when England had a shoot-out against Spain in Euro 96 that one of their players paused in the run up and I was disgusted.

Why is it now allowed?


It isn't. Blame referees for never doing anything about it; the rule's still on the book. As is the one about no other player within ten yards of the ball, and how many times do we ever see that happen? In fact more than once, I've seen a player inside the penalty box as the penalty was taken, who then scores from the rebound.

Yet another rule that referees simply decide not to enforce.

Yet another rule that referees simply decide not to enforce.


Law 14/30 and 14/31



www.thefa.com/NR/rdonlyres/095F9568-466D-4D71-ABF5-[/url]C1253A1C28FD/122272/FIFALaws2007_08_book.pdf

Nothing in FA rules to say it is not allowed


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I understand where you're all coming from, however I'd like to see YOU referee a high profile match and make all the correct decisions whilst being taunted by 50,000+ supporters - on top of getting repeated comments from 22 players on the pitch! :rolleyes:
I think referee's do a brill job under the circumstances, however more touchline support and perhaps video backup would also help. Best backup they could have though is players leaving them alone to get on with their job.

And on another note, do you also notice that goalkeepers aren't supposed to move until the ball is hit, but they always do!

lastly, scottishdude, as far as I'm aware Ronaldo had to retake the penalty due to Arsenal players entering the box before the penalty had actually been taken. Scoring on both kicks just shows what a world class player he is! :D

I understand where you're all coming from, however I'd like to see YOU referee a high profile match and make all the correct decisions whilst being taunted by 50,000+ supporters - on top of getting repeated comments from 22 players on the pitch!


Fair comment, in most circumstances - but this one is dead easy. He's only watching two players and one ball - everyone else is behind him. If he can't see whether the penalty-taker has paused midway through his run, he's not fit to be a referee at ANY level, let alone professional.

Law 14/30 and 14/31



www.thefa.com/NR/rdonlyres/095F9568-466D-4D71-ABF5-[/url]C1253A1C28FD/122272/FIFALaws2007_08_book.pdf

Nothing in FA rules to say it is not allowed


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Yeah, I can't see anything there about the run up. As I said before though, regardless of what the rules are now, I think it's unsportsman-like to take a staggered run.

Fair comment, in most circumstances - but this one is dead easy. He's only watching two players and one ball - everyone else is behind him. If he can't see whether the penalty-taker has paused midway through his run, he's not fit to be a referee at ANY level, let alone professional.

Well it also depends on what you believe a 'pause' is. Is it when the player runs, stops, runs then shoots... or when he runs, slows down, speeds up, shoots!? :hihi:

And don't forget, he's not just watching 2 players. He's watching 21 players and making sure all of them bar 2 don't encroach the box before the penalty is taken!

Maybe someone can put me right on this I seem to remember in the late 1950s Brazilian team Santos coming to Hillsborough and Pele took a penalty in this way the goalkeeper dive to one side and it must have been 4 or 5 seconds before he decided to convert the kick into the opposite corner of the net while the goalkeeper (McIntosh?) was still on the floor.
Hope my memory is not playing tricks.

Maybe someone can put me right on this I seem to remember in the late 1950s Brazilian team Santos coming to Hillsborough and Pele took a penalty in this way the goalkeeper dive to one side and it must have been 4 or 5 seconds before he decided to convert the kick into the opposite corner of the net while the goalkeeper (McIntosh?) was still on the floor.
Hope my memory is not playing tricks.

I couldn't confirm whether your memory is accurate, but I know for a fact that this used to happen; that's precisely why they brought in a rule outlawing it. You must make one clean run to the ball and follow-through immediately.

I couldn't confirm whether your memory is accurate, but I know for a fact that this used to happen; that's precisely why they brought in a rule outlawing it. You must make one clean run to the ball and follow-through immediately.

But the FA rules do not state it is an infringment nor do they say You must make one clean run to the ball and follow-through immediately

But the FA rules do not state it is an infringment nor do they say You must make one clean run to the ball and follow-through immediately

correct, see here:

FA.com - Law 14 (http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/RulesAndRegulations/FIFALawsOfTheGame/Postings/2002/05/12119.htm)

A penalty kick is awarded against a team that commits one of the ten offences for which a direct free kick is awarded, inside its own penalty area and while the ball is in play.

A goal may be scored directly from a penalty kick. Additional time is allowed for a penalty kick to be taken at the end of each half or at the end of periods of extra time.

Position of the Ball and the Players

The ball:

is placed on the penalty mark
The player taking the penalty kick:

is properly identified
The defending goalkeeper:

remains on his goal line, facing the kicker, between the goalposts until the ball has been kicked
The players other than the kicker are located:

inside the field of play
outside the penalty area
behind the penalty mark
at least 9.15 m (10 yds) from the penalty mark
The Referee

does not signal for a penalty kick to be taken until the players have taken up position in accordance with the Law
decides when a penalty kick has been completed
Procedure

the player taking the penalty kicks the ball forward
he does not play the ball a second time until it has touched another player
the ball is in play when it is kicked and moves forward
When a penalty kick is taken during the normal course of play, or time has been extended at half-time or full time to allow a penalty kick to be taken or retaken, a goal is awarded if, before passing between the goalposts and under the crossbar:

the ball touches either or both of the goalposts and/or the crossbar, and/or the goalkeeper
Infringements/Sanctions

If the referee gives the signal for a penalty kick to be taken and, before the ball is in play, one of the following situations occurs:

The player taking the penalty kick infringes the Laws of the Game:

the referee allows the kick to proceed
if the ball enters the goal, the kick is retaken
if the ball does not enter the goal, the referee stops play and restarts the match with an indirect free kick to the defending team, from the place where the infringement occurred.
The goalkeeper infringes the Laws of the Game:

the referee allows the kick to proceed
if the ball enters the goal, a goal is awarded
if the ball does not enter the goal, the kick is retaken.
A team-mate of the player taking the kick infringes the Laws of the Game:

the referee allows the kick to proceed
if the ball enters the goal, the kick is retaken
if the ball does not enter the goal, the referee stops play and restarts the match with an indirect free kick to the defending team, from the place where the infringement occurred.
A team-mate of the goalkeeper infringes the Laws of the Game:

the referee allows the kick to proceed
if the ball enters the goal, a goal is awarded
if the ball does not enter the goal, the kick is retaken
A player of both the defending team and the attacking team infringe the Laws of the Game:

the kick is retaken
If, after the penalty kick has been taken:

The kicker touches the ball a second time (except with his hands) before it has touched another player:

an indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team, the kick to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred
The kicker deliberately handles the ball before it has touched another player:

a direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team, the kick to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred
The ball is touched by an outside agent as it moves forward:

the kick is retaken
The ball rebounds into the field of play from the goalkeeper, the crossbar or the goalposts, and is then touched by an outside agent:

the referee stops play
play is restarted with a dropped ball at the place where it touched the outside agent

..................

So the question is, who and when was it decided that it should be smooth running/walking movement?

Thanks for the link Ally,

I can only assume I have been imagining things AGAIN, or the rule has been taken away.

I think the rules have been unchanged for ages...however at one time some ref's ruled a stop start run up was "unsportsmanlike" and ordered re - takes.

Can't see anything wrong with it myself - if we outlawed that we'd have to outlaw people running over the ball at free kicks etc.

if we outlawed that we'd have to outlaw people running over the ball at free kicks etc.

Only one person is allowed to encroach in the penalty area for a penalty. Whereas you can have as many as you like round a free kick.

No Robbie - it's the unsportsmanlike behaviour angle I'm on about - eg I can't really see the difference between a stop / start run up to a pen and a player running over a ball at a free kick. Both intended to decieve the opposition.

No Robbie - it's the unsportsmanlike behaviour angle I'm on about - eg I can't really see the difference between a stop / start run up to a pen and a player running over a ball at a free kick. Both intended to decieve the opposition.

To be honest, I don't see much a problem, I just always thought it was against the rules :D

I always thought it was John Aldridge who pioneered this particular bit of crap...the run, the pause, the stagger.....didn't help him in the FA Cup Final though, the cheating scouse git!

I always thought that when taking a penalty it had to be a smooth running/walking motion without any stopping (I do remember one having to be re-taken a fair few years since because he stopped on the way towards the ball) and then obviously hitting it.

Now young Christiano Ronaldo does stop everytime on his run up.

Can anyone clarify on this rule? Or was it just a rule that got outlawed?

Not sure about the ruling, but someone who always used to do the stop/start run-up was Luis Figo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IJIv1es-mc). Apologies for the awful Green Day nonsense, why do people insist on putting naff rock music over football videos?

Not sure about the ruling, but someone who always used to do the stop/start run-up was Luis Figo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IJIv1es-mc). Apologies for the awful Green Day nonsense, why do people insist on putting naff rock music over football videos?

Not as bad a stop as young Ronaldo's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31-TqRyzhnE

Not as bad a stop as young Ronaldo's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31-TqRyzhnE

Nah Figo is almost playing hopscotch in some of his penatlies, Ronaldo's wasn't that bad. The stalling run didn't work though, Lehman still guessed the right way.

Nah Figo is almost playing hopscotch in some of his penatlies, Ronaldo's wasn't that bad. The stalling run didn't work though, Lehman still guessed the right way.


You have to admit though, it looked as if he dived the right way after the ball was in the net

I thought it got changed at the same time as the law that the goalkeeper had to be motionless until the penalty was kicked.

yes mate, they got changed at the same time!! i dont really see how stopping on the way to the ball then shooting ever could have bein illigale in the beautiful game!!

but does anybody know if there has ever bein a law on free kick dummies etc. its something that this thread has made me curiose to find out!!

For Bolton free kicks Jaidi stands behind oppositions wall dancing about like Micheal Jackson on acid
Players run over the ball at free kicks
Henry and Pires cocked up last season trying to decieve keeper when taking a penalty
Ronaldo stops and starts his run up before taking a pen

Sportsmanship doesnt come into it nowadays
There is too much money to be won/lost for sportsmanship to enter a player/managers head

yes mate, they got changed at the same time!! i dont really see how stopping on the way to the ball then shooting ever could have bein illigale in the beautiful game!!

but does anybody know if there has ever bein a law on free kick dummies etc. its something that this thread has made me curiose to find out!!

Similar to the famous Cruyff pass in the 70's though ... but I do remember a rule which said that you coudn't 'stop-start' at a penalty ..... I think .....

I was told, by an admittedly fallible football nerd, that it was the double movement in the act of kicking that wasn't allowed - you can't make to kick it one way to force the keeper to dive, then actually kick it into the other side.

I haven't actually got a clue. The staggered run-up is bad sportsmanship, but come on - It's RONALDO. What do you expect?!

Similar to the famous Cruyff pass in the 70's though ... but I do remember a rule which said that you coudn't 'stop-start' at a penalty ..... I think .....

As I've said before - there wasn't a rule so much as an interpretation by ref's (or even perhaps FIFA?) that this was "unsporting behaviour".

The stop start run dates back at least to the '60's - Pele used it.