I know we have to be careful with these issues but if we're factual surely that's allowed?
Food that is targeted at children via clever marketing that is really very poor in quality? Ie. high salt content, harmful E-numbers, poor quality meat? Can we name and shame them?

I think it's just a case of reading the labels, and making sensible choices! Do people really not do this? I ALWAYS know what's in the food that's prepared in my home!

Out of interest, has anyone ever read the ingredients label on Sunny Delight?

K x

Originally posted by Kristian
Out of interest, has anyone ever read the ingredients label on Sunny Delight? Surely it contains nothing but the goodness of fresh pressed oranges?!? : )

Originally posted by Kristian
I think it's just a case of reading the labels, and making sensible choices! Do people really not do this? I ALWAYS know what's in the food that's prepared in my home!

Out of interest, has anyone ever read the ingredients label on Sunny Delight?

K x
I completely agree but I do think we have to be realistic, not ALL parents are literate, often through no fault of their own. Marketing of these products (like Sunny Delight, which had lots of media controversy some time ago which seemed to die a death) aims to make parents think that they are giving their children something healthy. Surely the government has some responsibility to control some of this marketing for the sake of parents who don't find it possible to decifer labels. E-numbers got such a hard time in the media a while ago that made are now listed in their name form instead. All clever tactics to confuse parents?

Originally posted by drp215
Food that is targeted at children via clever marketing that is really very poor in quality?

But it is the parents that are responsible for buying it or not.

I hardly ever ate processed food when I was a child because my mum made our meals (yes, she did work too, but still managed), I didn't have unhealthy school dinners because she made me a packed lunch.

Too many parents today want to blame everyone but themselves for their children being unhealthy.

Originally posted by nick2
But it is the parents that are responsible for buying it or not.

I hardly ever ate processed food when I was a child because my mum made our meals (yes, she did work too, but still managed), I didn't have unhealthy school dinners because she made me a packed lunch.

Too many parents today want to blame everyone but themselves for their children being unhealthy.

It is the parents that are ultimately responsible but I'm trying to realistic here. Not all products are marked clearly enough and it takes a long time to read the packaging on every product that goes into your trolley, especially if you find reading and comprehension difficult as some parents do.
Hence the name and shame.........

Originally posted by drp215
It is the parents that are ultimately responsible but I'm trying to realistic here. Not all products are marked clearly enough and it takes a long time to read the packaging on every product that goes into your trolley, especially if you find reading and comprehension difficult as some parents do.
Hence the name and shame.........

But it's not hard, if you want to give your kids an orange drink give them plain orange juice, number of ingredients, 1.

Originally posted by nick2
But it's not hard, if you want to give your kids an orange drink give them plain orange juice, number of ingredients, 1.
I'm not talking about one orange drink, I'm talking about shopping for and feeding your children 3 meals a day, 7 days a week.
Just out of interest... how many children do you shop for on a regular weekly basis Nick? ;)

even better get a juicer and do it your self. Then you can make whatever juice you want.

Originally posted by nick2
But it's not hard, if you want to give your kids an orange drink give them plain orange juice, number of ingredients, 1. I have to agree with you.

Originally posted by drp215
I'm not talking about one orange drink, I'm talking about shopping for and feeding your children 3 meals a day, 7 days a week.
Just out of interest... how many children do you shop for on a regular weekly basis Nick? ;)

I was waiting for that. I have no children, but my mum managed to feed us with "proper" food, so I guess it is possible.

I manage to feed myself and my partner without buying much processed food so I guess a couple of kids too wouldn't be too hard.

I think you are absolutely right here, Nick. The parents should take more responsibility regarding their offsprings' diet and exercise. There are far too many toothless, football-like children waddling around, their mouths and chins lubricated with chocolate, for my liking. Get these 'kids' on fresh fruit, fresh vegetables and plenty of exercise.

I think far too many British parents are, on one hand overly-sentimental, and on the other, neglectful regarding their children and food/ exercise. Too much is made of the rewarding and comforting aspects of food. Recently, I witnessed a mother practically pleading and begging a charmless lout of a boy to behave in M and S. He began to behave when she said the magic word, "MacDonalds". That was the 'deal'; stop behaving like a Chimpanzee mid-tantrum, and I will 'reward' you with some extremely unhealthy and fattening food.

I think it is the parents fault, who else introduces their children to different foods when they are little in order to develop their own tastes. When i was a baby i ate anything as long as it was fresh prepared.. drove my mum mad when sometimes it would have been easier to feed me from a jar! When i was a little older i learnt to swim, my mum would have put a stew in the slow cooker that morning before work so when we got in from swimming there was a meal ready, I'm going to do just the same when i have children.. no way am i feeding them what i call 'cardboard food' as i refuse to eat it myself.

One of my friends will not eat fruit or veg because she's never had it and won't start now because she claims she doesn't like it.. I'm sorry for her becasue she lives on take-aways and pizza and chips. she has had terrible problems with her large bowel and has to drink 'fibrogel' because she gets nothing natural through her diet, and she is overweight.

I have two kids. The youngest eats loads of fruit and veg and has done since she was a baby. The eldest doesn't like to try new things and doesn't like veggies. I found a way round this by using mint sauce - strange but true! It's the only way I can get him to eat his veggies.

I also make sure that after their tea they have at least one piece of fruit.

Sunny D - is NOT orange juice....its disgusting

I think American Bombers dropped Sunny Delight [then known as Agent Orange] on Communist fields as a defoliant in the Vietnam War...

Originally posted by timo
I think American Bombers dropped Sunny Delight [then known as Agent Orange] on Communist fields as a defoliant in the Vietnam War...

I think I'd rather drink napalm! :gag: Well, on reflection, perhaps not, but it's close!

K x

so when is this program on again? i remember seeing it once, bt forgot when it was :S

Originally posted by lance
so when is this program on again? i remember seeing it once, bt forgot when it was :S

The series finished last week, but there was this (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1536385,00.html) news story hit the headlines today! Well done Jamie!

K x

Originally posted by timo
I think you are absolutely right here, Nick. The parents should take more responsibility regarding their offsprings' diet and exercise. There are far too many toothless, football-like children waddling around, their mouths and chins lubricated with chocolate, for my liking. Get these 'kids' on fresh fruit, fresh vegetables and plenty of exercise.
Do you know what one of the major causes of toothlessness among kids is? Fresh orange juice.

See, it's not always quite as simple as "plain orange juice, number of ingredients 1". So please don't presume to lecture others when you plainly have very little idea what you're talking about.

You're right Dan... our dentist told us that the acid and fruit sugars in fresh juice can be bad for your teeth if you drink too much. He recommended diluting it slightly with water (about a quarter or one third).

Our dentist told my daughter to cut orange juice out completely if possible, or at the most drink one very small glass per day. She has just had four teeth removed because of the effects of fruit juice. I knew that fruit acid could have an effect on teeth, but I never realised quite how serious it was.

Originally posted by DanSumption
Do you know what one of the major causes of toothlessness among kids is? Fresh orange juice.

See, it's not always quite as simple as "plain orange juice, number of ingredients 1". So please don't presume to lecture others when you plainly have very little idea what you're talking about.

I'm not lecturing, I'm saying it seems fairly simple to me that if you are worried about additives and processed food you should buy things without additives or that haven't been over processed.

Obviously I don't have the vast knowledge of all things that is instantly bestowed on someone once they become a parent, I was relying on common sense.

Originally posted by nick2
Obviously I don't have the vast knowledge of all things that is instantly bestowed on someone once they become a parent, I was relying on common sense.
There is no vast knowledge instantly bestowed when you become a parent, if there was then my daughter probably wouldn't be sat in the dentist having four teeth taken out.

The problem with common sense is that it's too common and not sensible enough. What you were doing was advocating that "if you want to give your kids an orange drink give them plain orange juice", followed by Timo moaning about toothless kids. I was just pointing out that if either of you two had kids, they would probably end up toothless too.

Dan,
You do enough 'lecturing' of your own. This time, as I shall show you by pm, you have blundered into dangerous ground...

I notice, however, that Tesco place Sunny D next to their fresh fruit juices!!!!!

It ought to be with the sugar or manufactured fabrics ;)

sunny D has never been a orange juice, its just a drink that i would put in the same league as cola.

Ive had it a few times and dont mind it but i know am not srinking frest orange juice

I remember reading the label of a sunny delight bottle once, I discovered that one of the ingredients is vegetable oil
WHY????????

Its the hidden sugar you have to watch for! there is tons of sugar in baked beans for one i can think of. if you want to improve you kids teeth then give them drinks through a straw that should help i should think, i dont know what the systemic effects of sugar are on dental enamel if there are any then fine dont give them sweet or acidic drinks at all. and i wouldnt brush kids teeth after eating sweets either as i think the sugar can act like an abbrasive on the tooth. although sugar is the only reason for tooth decay (read that somewhere).

I once met a woman who said he childs teeth were in bad way because she couldn't afford a toothbrush, she was later stood outside the building smoking, i can't work some people out.

Dan,
Sorry for reading too much into your point about the threat to teeth posed by orange juice.

....................................

Originally posted by spook
Dan, ever heard of brushing your teeth? And drinking in moderation?

Unbelievable Fact: Today I witnessed this exchange between parent and child

PARENT 'Do you want some sweeties?'
CHILD 'No thanks Mommie'
PARENT 'No? Why not?'
CHILD 'I want an apple'


:shocked:
Yup, my kids brush their teeth twice a day, in fact they are a lot better at remembering to always brush their teeth than I am. The dentist commented on how well brushed their teeth were. But he also told them to steer clear of fruit juice; he said that moderation (i.e. one small glass per day) was OK, but staying away from it altogether was much, much better.

My kids also often prefer fruit to sweets (although as they get older, the balance tips in favour of sweets).

Originally posted by DanSumption
My kids also often prefer fruit to sweets (although as they get older, the balance tips in favour of sweets).

Why do you think this is Dan? Do you reckon it's peer pressure, or learning bad habits from them at least?

K x

Originally posted by Kristian
Why do you think this is Dan? Do you reckon it's peer pressure, or learning bad habits from them at least?
I'm sure peer pressure, advertising, addictiveness of the sweets etc. all have an influence, not sure what the balance of influences is.

Originally posted by DanSumption
I'm sure peer pressure, advertising, addictiveness of the sweets etc. all have an influence, not sure what the balance of influences is.

Talking about the addictiveness of sweets, is it true that Opal Fruits changed their name and recipe because there was an addictive ingredient in them? I'm far too young to remember...

K x

My daughter used to be 'sensitive' to food colouring/additives found in a lot of sweets so when she was little she would hand me the packed of sweets she wanted and I would check the ingredients - if I told her that it contained a colouring she was allergic to then she would put it back on the shelves (never ceased to amaze me that I didn't get tantrums and tears)!

However, she's an adult now and is, sadly, overweight. I stopped her from having some chocolate today and she threw a right stop! But at least she didn't have the chocolate. I think some youngsters today (and adults) don't get the amount of excercise they need to burn off the calories they eat. We have to tackle provision of unhealthy food and also the lack of excercise too. It really can't be one or the other.

Originally posted by em3978
I remember reading the label of a sunny delight bottle once, I discovered that one of the ingredients is vegetable oil
WHY????????

This may answer your question :

http://albalagh.net/halal/col1.shtml

gotta love Sunny D and the Fish gelatin :P

One school has a web page of the ingredients in Sunny D :

http://www.sackville.ednet.ns.ca/features/change/butler/sunnyd/ingredients.html

and the effects of Beta-Carotene 'overdose' :gag:

Originally posted by rtapper
This may answer your question :

http://albalagh.net/halal/col1.shtml

gotta love Sunny D and the Fish gelatin :P

One school has a web page of the ingredients in Sunny D :

http://www.sackville.ednet.ns.ca/features/change/butler/sunnyd/ingredients.html

and the effects of Beta-Carotene 'overdose' :gag:


UUUrrrghh! I realised that Sunny D was full of crap, but to deliberately fill an 'Orange' juice drink with non-vegetarian ingrediants is just deplorable!

K x

Originally posted by lance
so when is this program on again? i remember seeing it once, bt forgot when it was :S

Repeats start on Monday night @ 11.00pm :thumbsup:

By the way, there is a rather cool thing here on Jamies school dinner website explaining whats in processed school food - be careful though as it is rated "18"

http://www.channel4.com/life/microsites/J/jamies_school_dinners/fowl/index.html