Strory by the BBC - here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7332960.stm)

How sad. :(

Maybe now they'll finally be able to take that famous rifle out of his "cold dead hand". :hihi:

Very sad. I am surprised he didn't win more than one oscar (Ben Hur) he always portrayed the historical characters, e.g. Michelangelo, convincingly.

R.I.P.

tbh im not sad.
being a vocal campaigner of the rifle association and against rap (particularly the body count / cop killer thing) i cant forget

I think most people know who Charlton Heston was without the Ben Hur reference!

Whatever his politics,
He was a true screen legend with a charisma and magnetic power that few others have possesed.
It may be a long time before we see his like again.

My favourite Charton Heston films include EL Cid, Planet of the Apes , Soylent Green, Ben Hur.

RIP Charlton

I think most people know who Charlton Heston was without the Ben Hur reference!

Whatever his politics,
He was a true screen legend with a charisma and magnetic power that few others have possesed.
It may be a long time before we see his like again.

My favourite Charton Heston films include EL Cid, Planet of the Apes , Soylent Green, Ben Hur.

RIP Charlton


What do you mean, "whatever his politics"?

Let's forgive the fact he was a right-wing reactionary because he made a few half decent films?

I hear Adolf Hitler is due for a similar reappraisal ;)

What do you mean, "whatever his politics"?

Let's forgive the fact he was a right-wing reactionary because he made a few half decent films?

I hear Adolf Hitler is due for a similar reappraisal ;)

I mean let's respect his work as an actor.
Just because he held a view that you may not have agreed with doesn't mean he wasn't a great actor.

Will you review every actor or atress that you liked based on their political views?:huh:

I mean let's respect his work as an actor.
Just because he held a view that you may not have agreed with doesn't mean he wasn't a great actor.

Will you review every actor or atress that you liked based on their political views?:huh:
if theyre outspoken yes

if theyre outspoken yes

So are you saying he wasn't a great actor because he had outspoken views :?:

How many actors don't actually come out and say how they feel about things for fear of losing popularity?

There are probably a few of your favourite actors that you violently disagree with their views, but you won't know about their views because they haven't made them public.
Will you only think an actor is great or to be respected until they tell you his or her views on certain topics.
Why stop at actors, why not film directors.
Your once favourite film is no longer your favourite film because you discovered that the film director also supported gun laws or simarly emotive issues?:huh:

"It's been quite a ride.” Charlton Heston quote RIP

I have no idea why this man is called an actor - my ikea sideboard has more subtly and range.

Have no repect for the man. He was a person that others admired and looked up to and he used that fame to advocate gun use. I know "guns don't kill people, people kill people" but as Eddie Izzard said.............

“And the National Rifle Association says that, "Guns don't kill people, people do,” but I think the gun helps, you know? I think it helps. I just think just standing there going, "Bang!" That's not going to kill too many people, is it? You'd have to be really dodgy on the heart to have that…”

Won't be weeping over the loss, and if there is an afterlife I hope he meets some of the many people his actions have helped to kill. He had blood on his hands.

Very sad. I am surprised he didn't win more than one oscar (Ben Hur) he always portrayed the historical characters, e.g. Michelangelo, convincingly.
R.I.P.

I'm not sure how convincing his portrayals were. He wasn't much of a character actor really. Whatever film he was in he played Charlton Heston because that's all he needed to do.

My favourite film of his is El Cid. That final scene where they put his dead body on the horse and have it ride out against the Moors is fantastic.

I have no idea why this man is called an actor - my ikea sideboard has more subtly and range.

Have no repect for the man. He was a person that others admired and looked up to and he used that fame to advocate gun use. I know "guns don't kill people, people kill people" but as Eddie Izzard said.............

“And the National Rifle Association says that, "Guns don't kill people, people do,” but I think the gun helps, you know? I think it helps. I just think just standing there going, "Bang!" That's not going to kill too many people, is it? You'd have to be really dodgy on the heart to have that…”

Won't be weeping over the loss, and if there is an afterlife I hope he meets some of the many people his actions have helped to kill. He had blood on his hands.

Good old SF - you can always rely on it to produce at least one over the top post:roll:

How does being chairman of the NRA equate to him having 'blood on his hands' or 'helping people to die'?

Whatever you feel about about his politics and his ability, you cant deny he appeared in some of the biggest films of the 20th Century (including my personal fave 'The Omega Man')

What an amusing thread, and what strange people populate this forum :rolleyes: RIP Charlton.

I mean let's respect his work as an actor.
Just because he held a view that you may not have agreed with doesn't mean he wasn't a great actor.

Will you review every actor or atress that you liked based on their political views?:huh:

No, let's not just respect his work as an actor. I remember a case in a small town in America where the NRA and specifically Charlton Heston (as he was the Chairman) were asked to not hold their annual rally as a young boy (around 9 or 10) had recently shot his younger sister after finding a gun lying about. The community was pretty upset by what had happened and asked out of respect for all involved to postpone their meeting. They didn't. But hey, he played Moses so we must respect what he did. I hope he had a painful death.

Good old SF - you can always rely on it to produce at least one over the top post:roll:

How does being chairman of the NRA equate to him having 'blood on his hands' or 'helping people to die'?

Whatever you feel about about his politics and his ability, you cant deny he appeared in some of the biggest films of the 20th Century (including my personal fave 'The Omega Man')

It's a shame people can't respect his work for what it was rather than bringing in politics into it.
I wonder how many of those criticising his support of the gun lobby actually heard his full unedited speeches on the issue, rather than just sound bites and the infamous " From my cold dead hands" comment.
Charlton Heston wasn't Hitler and he wasn't advocating that people went out and shot people, he was advocating the right for Americans the right to bear arms to protect themselves.
Whether you agree with the gun lobby's views or not, it's wrong to demonise people and making them out to be some kind of Hitler figure advocating death and mayhem, when clearly this wasn't what Charlton Heston was about.

So are you saying he wasn't a great actor because he had outspoken views :?:

How many actors don't actually come out and say how they feel about things for fear of losing popularity?

There are probably a few of your favourite actors that you violently disagree with their views, but you won't know about their views because they haven't made them public.
Will you only think an actor is great or to be respected until they tell you his or her views on certain topics.
Why stop at actors, why not film directors.
Your once favourite film is no longer your favourite film because you discovered that the film director also supported gun laws or simarly emotive issues?:huh:
someof my favourite actors prolly did do dogy things...but
i have never liked charlton heston as an actor really (yes i love planet of the apes, omega man) BUT not cos he was acting in em, they were good films anyway, stuff like ben hur and moses aint my thang tbh.
but ive really detested the man due to his over the top views on gun control and traying to get rap / hip hop banned by using his connections in the film / music companies

I heard Kurt Russell is an active member of the NRA, lets hope he dies soon :rolleyes:

No, let's not just respect his work as an actor. I remember a case in a small town in America where the NRA and specifically Charlton Heston (as he was the Chairman) were asked to not hold their annual rally as a young boy (around 9 or 10) had recently shot his younger sister after finding a gun lying about. The community was pretty upset by what had happened and asked out of respect for all involved to postpone their meeting. They didn't. But hey, he played Moses so we must respect what he did. I hope he had a painful death.

But there may have been quite a few factors that Mr.Heston had to consider before cancelling this prearranged event.
If someone in that town had been recently killed in a car accident , would a motoring convention be cancelled?

I heard Kurt Russell is an active member of the NRA, lets hope he dies soon :rolleyes:

This would put Goldie Hawn back on the market, it could be a good thing.

This would put Goldie Hawn back on the market, it could be a good thing.

Hmmm you got a point :heyhey:

This would put Goldie Hawn back on the market, it could be a good thing.

Kate Hudson would be the better choice!

But there may have been quite a few factors that Mr.Heston had to consider before cancelling this prearranged event.
If someone in that town had been recently killed in a car accident , would a motoring convention be cancelled?

Like the death of a young girl who was shot by her not older than 10 years brother witch enough to upset a whole community, what else did Charlton have to consider? I remember Micheal Moore even went and asked him, that didn't help. I'm not sure how highly stressful a job being chair of the NRA is but he really must have had a lot on if the death of a child by another child, a whole community asking him not to and the threat of it being shown in a documentary couldn't get them to just postpone it. Nothing but complete contempt for the wishes of that community. The thing is, these children were black too and Charlton did support Martin Luther King and his movement, I reckon even Martin would have been disappointed.


Car accidents happen everyday, under 10s shooting their younger sister do not.

Kate Hudson would be the better choice!

Well, we agree on one thing :thumbsup:

Like the death of a young girl who was shot by her not older than 10 years brother witch enough to upset a whole community, what else did Charlton have to consider? I remember Micheal Moore even went and asked him, that didn't help. I'm not sure how highly stressful a job being chair of the NRA is but he really must have had a lot on if the death of a child by another child, a whole community asking him not to and the threat of it being shown in a documentary couldn't get them to just postpone it. Nothing but complete contempt for the wishes of that community. The thing is, these children were black too and Charlton did support Martin Luther King and his movement, I reckon even Martin would have been disappointed.


Car accidents happen everyday, under 10s shooting their younger sister do not.

Firstly I don't really know the full story so can't really comment in detail about what conciderations had to be taken into account or how widespread the feeling was within the community.
Michael Moore has a knack of making anyone look bad, hell he could have portrayed the Dali Lama in a bad light if he wanted to.
Like anything anyone can make a bad call, even though no malice or distress was intended, just ask Harriet Harman!;)
Perhaps Charlton Heston felt that it was important for the Gun lobbyist to appear as planned, otherwise it would be in effect admitting, or certainly perceived as admitting that the Gun lobbyist were somehow to blame for this girls' death.
As I stated Heston wasn't advocating death and destruction but protection.

Not a bad actor. Bit rascist. Well into guns. Lost his marbles. Snuffed it.

Next!

Not a bad actor. Bit rascist. Well into guns. Lost his marbles. Snuffed it.

Next!

NOW that's what I call an obiturary!:hihi:

Not a bad actor. Bit rascist. Well into guns. Lost his marbles. Snuffed it.

Next!

I may be ignorant here, but can anyone point me in the direction of anything which proves Chuck WAS a racist? Or is it just that he held right wing views which obviously is enough to mark him out as the second coming of Hitler?

I may be ignorant here, but can anyone point me in the direction of anything which proves Chuck WAS a racist? Or is it just that he held right wing views which obviously is enough to mark him out as the second coming of Hitler?

Charlton Heston potrayed great historical figures like:
Moses,
John the Baptist,
El Cid Campeador.
General Gordon.

Hitler wasn't one of them though!

Well, never thought much of his acting really, although he was definitely a Hollywood icon.

I do feel that a lot of the people slagging him off don't really know much about him. He was actually a very vocal left wing activist, who played a part in the civil rights movement. He also campagined for better gun control laws.

It wasn't until the late 70's when he started to go a little odd (perhaps the beginnings of his Alzheimer's Disease, or maybe just a midlife crisis?) that he completely changed all his political opinions and changed from being a very active Democrate to a Republican.

Well, never thought much of his acting really, although he was definatly a Hollywood icon.

I do feel that a lot of the people slagging him off don't really know much about him. He was actually a very vocal left wing activist, who played a part in the civil rights movement. He also campagined for better gun control laws.

It wasn't until the late 70's when he started to go a little odd (perhaps the beginnings of his Alzheimer's Disease, or maybe just a midlife crisis?) that he completely changed all his political opinions and changed from being a very active Democrate to a Republican.

or maybe cos he was more dangerous right wing...specially with his little friends in the film industry (which also run the music offshoots) for getting bands he didnt like banned

Well, never thought much of his acting really, although he was definatly a Hollywood icon.



He definitely (correctly spelt! definitely is one of those words I really have to definitely correct the spelling of every time is see it incorrectly spelt!) was a hollywood icon.
Whether you didn't think much of his acting or not, his screen presence was undeniable, and that is probably why he was picked for many of his parts as larger than life historical figures.

or maybe cos he was more dangerous right wing...specially with his little friends in the film industry (which also run the music offshoots) for getting bands he didnt like banned

Which bands did he get banned, and banned from what?

or maybe cos he was more dangerous right wing...specially with his little friends in the film industry (which also run the music offshoots) for getting bands he didnt like banned

C'mon seriously, do you honestly believe Charlton Heston held enough sway in the industry to get bands banned?

I'm sure the music industry being what it is, if these bands were selling records, there'd be more chance of him supporting the Gay and Lesbian alliance than them banning a band which was making them money.

i didnt say banned i said trying to ban
he held a large standing in the time warner group, which aswell as films also has a large msuic division
and there was the big "body count / ice t / cop killer" controversy

He definitely (correctly spelt! definitely is one of those words I really have to definitely correct the spelling of every time is see it incorrectly spelt!) was a holywood icon.
Whether you didn't think much of his acting or not his screen presence was undeniable and that is probably why he was picked for many of his parts as larger than life historical figures.

I have definitely corrected the spelling for you!

I agree, he definitely had presence. I didn't agree with his political leanings in the past few years, but I think people are just jumping on a self-righteous bandwagon.

i didnt say banned i said trying to ban
he held a large standing in the time warner group, which aswell as films also has a large msuic division
and there was the big "body count / ice t / cop killer" controversy

You mean that as a shareholder he stood up in a meeting of shareholders, like anyone else can, and said that he thought TimeWarner were wrong for releasing (past tense, this was after it happened) an IceT album? Not really anything like banning or even trying to get banned is it?

I have definitely corrected the spelling for you!


I never said I could spell Hollywood though!:huh:

You mean that as a shareholder he stood up in a meeting of shareholders, like anyone else can, and said that he thought TimeWarner were wrong for releasing (past tense, this was after it happened) an IceT album? Not really anything like banning or even trying to get banned is it?

tbh i think it was a bit deeper than that, being the actor he was he DID have friends in high places

And again (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=3018533#post3018533) . Has anyone on here ever slagged off celebrity for being left wing on a thread to mark their death? I think not.

Anyway, Charlton Heston may not have been the greatest actor alive but he played epic characters in epic films and the success of them was down to him and his screen presence. Then there was The Bird Man of Alcatraz in which I thought he was excellent.

And again (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=3018533#post3018533) . Has anyone on here ever slagged off celebrity for being left wing on a thread to mark their death? I think not.

Anyway, Charlton Heston may not have been the greatest actor alive but he played epic characters in epic films and the success of them was down to him and his screen presence. Then there was The Bird Man of Alcatraz in which I thought he was excellent.

I was just thinking the same thing.

If, when such a time comes, we see something like:-

Ian McKellen. Not a bad actor. Cant say I agree with his politics, him being such a staunch gay rights activist and all. I'm not that sorry to see him go tbh.

Wonder what kind of response a post like that will attract?

im sure certain members of the right wing "brigade" HAVE slagged off people for more of aleft wing bent before
unlike what some would wish it is NOT purely a left wing thinkers thing

tbh i think it was a bit deeper than that, being the actor he was he DID have friends in high places

Look, I'm no fan of Heston, but it seems to me that you're just making things up about a dead person to fit your point of view.

In his later life Heston was very right wing, in his earlier life he was very left wing. He did some great things and some questionable things... Like most people, I would have thought.

He may have friends in high places, as many people of different political leaning have, but I don't see how that makes any difference. He didn't get any music banned, and he had every right to disagree with an album being released (by a company that he was a shareholder in) that had a song about cop killing in... (I have that album and actually think its quite good) many people would agree with him.

im sure certain members of the right wing "brigade" HAVE slagged off people for more of aleft wing bent before
unlike what some would wish it is NOT purely a left wing thinkers thing

Find us an example then...

I think some here who didn't patricuarly like the man or his politics are making their views about him felt on this thread, as they are entitled to do in a public forum.
It is however regrettable that some are making their protest felt at a time of his passing, rather than when he was still alive.
It also seems that those that are making the protest, are also begrudging the man his rightful status as Hollywood legend and icon.

Noone here in their right mind would support Hitler or his policies, but that doesn't alter the fact that he was instrumental in shaping the 20th century, anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial.

Charton Heston was an actor of iconic status that shaped Hollywood and cinema in the 20th century, and should rightfully be remembered as such whatever your political views.

He was a good actor and a Great man .

rip charly boy

And again (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=3018533#post3018533) . Has anyone on here ever slagged off celebrity for being left wing on a thread to mark their death? I think not.

Anyway, Charlton Heston may not have been the greatest actor alive but he played epic characters in epic films and the success of them was down to him and his screen presence. Then there was The Bird Man of Alcatraz in which I thought he was excellent.

Burt Lancaster starred in Bird Man of Alcatraz, with Karl Malden.

Charlton Heston potrayed great historical figures like:
Moses,
John the Baptist,
El Cid Campeador.
General Gordon.

Hitler wasn't one of them though!

He did play Josef Mengele though, so quite close. :)

This would put Goldie Hawn back on the market, it could be a good thing.


She's looking a bit rough these days though. I wouldn't bother :hihi:

She's looking a bit rough these days though. I wouldn't bother :hihi:

You obviously didn't get my Kate Hudson reference then!

You obviously didn't get my Kate Hudson reference then!

Yes I did, but I was talking about the mother, not the daughter

Yes I did, but I was talking about the mother, not the daughter

So was I:huh:

So was I:huh:


But they are two different people. Just because I used to fancy Goldie 20 years ago, it doesn't automatically follow that I'd find her much more ordinary-looking daughter attractive today :huh:

Burt Lancaster starred in Bird Man of Alcatraz, with Karl Malden.

So he did. I was wondering why no-one had mentioned this role, and now I know. Ho hum...

But they are two different people. Just because I used to fancy Goldie 20 years ago, it doesn't automatically follow that I'd find her much more ordinary-looking daughter attractive today :huh:

It seems my original comment seems lost on you, ah well never mind.:huh:

It seems my original comment seems lost on you, ah well never mind.:huh:


This was your original comment:

Kate Hudson would be the better choice!

Let's see: you're implying that the daughter is more desirable than the mother these days.

Yes, yes.... I think I understood that part

It was hardly Oscar Wilde, was it?

It was hardly Oscar Wilde, was it?

No more like Charlton Heston.;)

No more like Charlton Heston.;)


Apparently he died recently, you know :o

He was a good actor and a Great man . One less gunslinger