Now the season is close to coming to its end i think we can start to re visit the pre season debate of Beattie v Jeffers, Wednesday fans were convinced Jeffers was the second coming.

We both pretty much blew our transfers budgets on the men who we both thought would fire us to the promised land (in Wednesdays case try and keep them up!!!).

I'm a Blade and from my point of view Beattie has been head and shoulders above Jeffers, infact i'd say there is no comparison.

Now i know Wednesday fans will think this is unfair as Jeffers has been injured for most of the season, however we (the Blades) were saying this at the time, Jeffers has been injury prone all his career, he hasn't completed a seasons worth of games for about 9yrs and his career stats show this in the fact he has scored about 30 goals in all.

On top of this i hear a nasty rumour Jeffers has a serious gambling problem and Wednesday are thinking of getting rid in the summer.

I'm happy to hear the thought of both Blades and Owls, dicuss!!!

Jeffers has been a waste of space.

Jeffers has been a waste of space.

What he says

What he says

What he agreed with.

Waste of 700k when we could have gotten a better, less injury prone striker for cheaper than that.

Nothing against Jeffers as a person, but he's been useless this season.

I'd give him one more season to prove himself, hopefully building up fitness this summer, and if he doesn't he should be shown the door.

I certainly don't remember any Wednesday fans referring to Jeffers as "the second coming". My own view, and the views of most Wednesdayites I know, was "why the hell have we signed this crock".

Jeffers does have a gambling problem, it was apparently on sky sports news this morning. I'd actually say it was Laws who took the most stupid gamble in the recent history of our club by blowing our limited transfer and wage budget on a proven crock.

He hasn't completed a 90 minute game for us, and has gone off injured before half time in a quarter of his appearances. Everybody knew this would happen - except Laws, obviously.

Jeffers does have a gambling problem, it was apparently on sky sports news this morning.

Just had a quick check on the website and I can't find anything.

Are you certain about this?

Bit of a waste of time this thread then, the impression i got at the start of the season is that Jeffers was going to be the saviour, i must just speak to the Wednesday fans with the rose tinted specs!!

Bit of a waste of time this thread then, the impression i got at the start of the season is that Jeffers was going to be the saviour, i must just speak to the Wednesday fans with the rose tinted specs!!

I never thought he'd be the 'saviour' so to speak but I'll admit I did have high hopes for Jeffers. How wrong I was :(

Jeffers - never seen him apart from Hull game and Ipswich away, both crap efforts from him, might have scored but always injured.

Beattie, take away his goals, Utd struggling!

Think we know who has had better season don't we!

Beattie, take away his goals, Utd struggling!

Big time.

But thats like saying take Ronaldo out of Man U's team and they're not as good.

Beattie is our main man this season and as much as i love Hulse and Sharp, Beattie is a different class for me.

Jeffers - never seen him apart from Hull game and Ipswich away, both crap efforts from him, might have scored but always injured.

Beattie, take away his goals, Utd struggling!

Think we know who has had better season don't we!

The Hull game? The one at Hillsborough? That goal was class, but not worth 700k :?

Yes of course we know who has had the better season, it's obvious. No point in stressing it or taking the ****.

Jeffers hasn't played enough games to make a valid opinion, he's had more injuries than "sicknote" Anderton @ Spurs.

Bit of a waste of time this thread then, the impression i got at the start of the season is that Jeffers was going to be the saviour, i must just speak to the Wednesday fans with the rose tinted specs!!

No you are right Stockers, when they got Jeffers and we got Beattie there were a lot of comparison threads done on here.
Of course now after the season they have just both had, they didn't say he was a saviour or he would get more or as many goals as BT :hihi::hihi:
Cant be arsed to find it but remember one post about the ex England International coming to the owls who would be scoring goals for fun :hihi:

It's no coincidence though that the comments regarding Beattie and promotion have proven unfounded as well. The only way he'll play premiership football again is when he moves next season.

I never thought he'd be the saviour,i remember thinking it was a waste of limited funds.We could have bought a lot better.I think he owes us the season of his life next season.

Cant be arsed to find it but remember one post about the ex England International coming to the owls who would be scoring goals for fun :hihi:

Well that poster and Brian Laws can't have had a glance at his previous record at clubs.... :loopy:

I don;t think jeffers has played enough games to have a true comparison but beattie has had the better season for sure.

I never thought he'd be the 'saviour' so to speak but I'll admit I did have high hopes for Jeffers. How wrong I was :(

It's called optimism and it's not such a bad thing with which to go through life. :thumbsup:

It's called optimism and it's not such a bad thing with which to go through life. :thumbsup:


True- but there is a fine line between optimism and blind stupidity!!



*as demonstrated by some of neil warnocks signings*

It's called optimism and it's not such a bad thing with which to go through life. :thumbsup:

The same can be said about being realistic.

I'm normally an optimistic person, trust me you have to be when you're Wednesday fan, but look at Jeffers' record!

Jeffers was a stupid signing. That said, in terms of money paid against goals scored, even as a crock with a handful of appearances he's still got a better record than Billy Sharp!

Jeffers was a stupid signing. That said, in terms of money paid against goals scored, even as a crock with a handful of appearances he's still got a better record than Billy Sharp!

So are you saying you'd rather have Jeffers then Billy Sharp?

Look at it this way, who out of the two players has scored more in the last 4 matches, or even for that matter throughout their career?

So are you saying you'd rather have Jeffers then Billy Sharp?

Look at it this way, who out of the two players has scored more in the last 4 matches, or even for that matter throughout their career?

Dress it up how you want,he does have a point.

Dress it up how you want,he does have a point.

No he doesn't!!

Dress it up how you want,he does have a point.

Does he though?

Jeffers is injury plagued and older than Sharp.

Unfortunately for us, Sharp has found his goal-scoring boots at the moment and is a young player with his career ahead of him.

Wednesday fans, stop blindly supporting Jeffers- he was a waste of money.

So are you saying you'd rather have Jeffers then Billy Sharp?

Look at it this way, who out of the two players has scored more in the last 4 matches, or even for that matter throughout their career?

Jeeez, lighten up. I was merely pointing out the fact that even though Jeffers is a crock and a disastrous signing, in terms of money spent and goals returned he still has a better goalscoring record this season than your goldenboy Billy Sharp.

Jeffers in a handful of appearances has scored just one fewer league goal than Sharp has managed all season, which have gained us 4 points. The last 4 games don't change that.

You're the one who started the thread by comparing Beattie's record to Jeffers in the first place - why didn't you compare Beattie to Sodje instead? His goals per game comparison to Beattie is similar, and he cost £3.8million plus many thousands of pounds a week in wages less.

You have the most expensive and highly paid player in the division, so in theory he should be way ahead at the top of the goalscoring charts. But he isn't.

Jeeez, lighten up. I was merely pointing out the fact that even though Jeffers is a crock and a disastrous signing, in terms of money spent and goals returned he still has a better goalscoring record this season than your goldenboy Billy Sharp.

Jeffers in a handful of appearances has scored just one fewer league goal than Sharp has managed all season, which have gained us 4 points. The last 4 games don't change that.

You're the one who started the thread by comparing Beattie's record to Jeffers in the first place - why didn't you compare Beattie to Sodje instead? His goals per game comparison to Beattie is similar, and he cost £3.8million plus many thousands of pounds a week in wages less.

You have the most expensive and highly paid player in the division, so in theory he should be way ahead at the top of the goalscoring charts. But he isn't.

Beattie to Sodje - hehehe!!! You're a right laugh you Al....one question, are you the real Alan Partridge, he makes me laugh almost as much as you do!!

Thanks again for brightening up an otherwise dull day, if it wasn't for you and Frank i don't know what i'd do.

Jeeez, lighten up. I was merely pointing out the fact that even though Jeffers is a crock and a disastrous signing, in terms of money spent and goals returned he still has a better goalscoring record this season than your goldenboy Billy Sharp.

Jeffers in a handful of appearances has scored just one fewer league goal than Sharp has managed all season, which have gained us 4 points. The last 4 games don't change that.

You're the one who started the thread by comparing Beattie's record to Jeffers in the first place - why didn't you compare Beattie to Sodje instead? His goals per game comparison to Beattie is similar, and he cost £3.8million plus many thousands of pounds a week in wages less.

You have the most expensive and highly paid player in the division, so in theory he should be way ahead at the top of the goalscoring charts. But he isn't.

Beattie vs Sodje: If Sodje hadn't gotten injured there could be grounds for a comparison. It's such a shame that he did :(

Jeffers vs Sharp: You're fighting a losing battle.

Right, I'll type this very slowly so that you can follow it.

Firstly, when did I ever say that I'd rather have Jeffers than Sharp? I haven't. Nor have I defended Jeffers, in fact I've said more than once in this thread that he's a crock and a waste of money. For the record I would actually rather have Sharp than Jeffers. But that wasn't the point.

What I did do, which for some reason you fail to understand, is present the statistical fact (a fact is something that is just that, no matter how much you try to argue against it or sidestep the issue you can't change it's validity) that in terms of league goals scored this season versus the amount of money paid, and despite missing the majority of the season through injury, Jeffers has a better scoring record than Billy Sharp.

Why is this so difficult for you to grasp? I'll even do the maths for you. Jeffers cost £700k and has scored twice (gaining us 4 league points), which equates to £350k per goal. Sharp cost £2m. He's scored 3 league goals, which means he's cost over £666k per goal.

Stockers, why do statistical facts make you laugh, is there something wrong with you? You sound like a dosser and a dwad! I note that you haven't been able to deny that the facts are true though...

Right, I'll type this very slowly so that you can follow it.

Firstly, when did I ever say that I'd rather have Jeffers than Sharp? I haven't. Nor have I defended Jeffers, in fact I've said more than once in this thread that he's a crock and a waste of money. For the record I would actually rather have Sharp than Jeffers. But that wasn't the point.

What I did do, which for some reason you fail to understand, is present the statistical fact (a fact is something that is just that, no matter how much you try to argue against it or sidestep the issue you can't change it's validity) that in terms of league goals scored this season versus the amount of money paid, and despite missing the majority of the season through injury, Jeffers has a better scoring record than Billy Sharp.

Why is this so difficult for you to grasp? I'll even do the maths for you. Jeffers cost £700k and has scored twice (gaining us 4 league points), which equates to £350k per goal. Sharp cost £2m. He's scored 3 league goals, which means he's cost over £666k per goal.

Stockers, why do statistical facts make you laugh, is there something wrong with you? You sound like a dosser and a dwad! I note that you haven't been able to deny that the facts are true though...


End of the day though its a TEAM game really.
Beattie wouldn't score if he wasn't fed passes or crosses and neither would dodgy Sodje for you lot.
We can both make all the maths comparisions you want to make things swing to our way of thinking.
Ohhhh look at me
Beattie and Sharp got 19 goals between them
Sodje and Jeffers got 9 goals between them
Does that make BT and Sharp twice as good ?

Right, I'll type this very slowly so that you can follow it.

Firstly, when did I ever say that I'd rather have Jeffers than Sharp? I haven't. Nor have I defended Jeffers, in fact I've said more than once in this thread that he's a crock and a waste of money. For the record I would actually rather have Sharp than Jeffers. But that wasn't the point.

What I did do, which for some reason you fail to understand, is present the statistical fact (a fact is something that is just that, no matter how much you try to argue against it or sidestep the issue you can't change it's validity) that in terms of league goals scored this season versus the amount of money paid, and despite missing the majority of the season through injury, Jeffers has a better scoring record than Billy Sharp.

Why is this so difficult for you to grasp? I'll even do the maths for you. Jeffers cost £700k and has scored twice (gaining us 4 league points), which equates to £350k per goal. Sharp cost £2m. He's scored 3 league goals, which means he's cost over £666k per goal.

Stockers, why do statistical facts make you laugh, is there something wrong with you? You sound like a dosser and a dwad! I note that you haven't been able to deny that the facts are true though...

Jeffers is reportedly on £20k a week as well which i'm sure Billy is on a lot less than that.

Your theory is infact correct, this season on a goal scoring ratio Jeffers has been worth more on average, but on time spent on the pitch and the future that lies ahead of him i am stating Sharp was a much better signing.

I know a number of Wednesday fans have denied this but at the start of the season you lost out on Billy Sharp (according to the press but not the player), you tried Rasiak plus a few others and ended up with Jeffers, the noises coming from a lot of Wednesday fans was that Jeffers was going to be a better signing than Beattie (who was fat and a fading talent) and a better signing than Sharp (who could only do it in the lower leagues).

End of the day though its a TEAM game really.
Beattie wouldn't score if he wasn't fed passes or crosses and neither would dodgy Sodje for you lot.
We can both make all the maths comparisions you want to make things swing to our way of thinking.
Ohhhh look at me
Beattie and Sharp got 19 goals between them
Sodje and Jeffers got 9 goals between them
Does that make BT and Sharp twice as good ?


No. it makes Sodje and Jeffers twice as flimsy and injury prone. :hihi:

Have two people pressed the wrong button by mistake?

Jeffers was destined to be a flop. He's scored just 13 goals since leaving Everton in 2001, and didn't manage to find the net once in Scotland...

Paying £700k for a striker who averages 2 goals a season (since 2001) was complete lunacy.

That said, good as Beattie has been for us, I'm still not convinced that he's worth £4m.

Jeffers has been injured most of season!!!

You might as well say owen v beattie lol

francis jeffers Has admitted he has a gambling problem and has been to some seminar at a clinic that has been set up by Tony Adams. Was just on sky sports news.



but laws took the biggest gamble of the season :roll:

If you takeaway BT and his goals who's to say that no one else would or would'nt score its all hypothetical

[QUOTE=Stockers;3339112]Jeffers is reportedly on £20k a week as well which i'm sure Billy is on a lot less than that.

20 grand a week,our full squad dont get 20 grand a week :hihi::hihi:

Jeffers has been injured most of season!!!

You might as well say owen v beattie lol

If you asked owen v beattie, any sane person would say owen.

If you ask beattie v jeffers, any sane person would say beattie.

Jeffers was a risk worth taking for the money
Beattie was ALWAYS gonna be a success in Championship,am amazed he signed for United in 1st place,hes premiership class

Jeffers fit could have been one of the best English strikers around, but we wouldn't have been able to afford him then, we got him cheap because he's injury prone.

If the gamble had paid off it would have been excellent business by Brian Laws, but it's not, so Beattie gets my vote

If there was ever a pointless poll, this was it.

Was the result EVER in doubt Dave?!!?

I'm shocked to see that four people have voted for Jeffers. How?

I'm shocked to see that four people have voted for Jeffers. How?

I wonder if they still would after today?

for me there never was a comparrison,think my eact words to the blunts at work were "for every goal jeffers gets beatie will get 3!!"

Got to be Beattie all the way for me, hate to think where us Blades would be without his 19 goals this season (including a hat trick ;))
I've heard people call him lazy which i strongly disagree with as he covers every blaze of grass on that pitch
Where as Franny Jaffa Cakes or whatever he's called spends more time in the treatment room eating jaffa cakes than he does on he pitch scoring. :D
The table doesn't lie ;)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/top_scorers/default.stm

can't see no jaffa cakes on there :hihi: :hihi:

Beattie by a country mile Jeffers doesn't even come close in my opinion.

Beattie by a country mile Jeffers doesn't even come close in my opinion.

Maybe if Jeffers had ankles that weren't made of glass we could make a fair comparison.