Has there beebn a sexul assault on ''Frog'' walk in addition to the mugging the other day? Or is it the same assault? In addition can any one tell me about the murder on, at St. Geaorge street just off Brook Hill?

From what I know these are separate attacks. The police knocked on our door last night in relation to an "assault" on a woman in the cemetery. (they did not say whether this was sexual). But I have also heard talk of a man being mugged on Frog Walk, both on this forum and from my friends.

Frog Walk is a bad place to walk on your own, if you have to go through it go with friends, don't use your mobile phone and don't hang about
A friend of mine was in the area a few days ago and her reaction was that it was a scary place to be on your own.

There always seems to be issues with this little bit of land - perhaps its time the council did something to protect people who choose to walk through this area alone at night...

I work on Eccy road and these recent attacks are worrying me more than a little.
Not that long ago remember a lass was threatened with a gun at Hunter's Bar, and I myself was mugged at the bottom of Ecclesall Road.
Is the area getting worse or has it always been like this?

its got a long history and don't let anyone tell you different.

http://www.thisissheffield.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=972454

That path is horrible, didnt some one get found between a matress down there some time ago, are is it me getting mistaken?

If this is happening a lot, the police should be doing more about it from a pro-active point of view!

K x

I can't believe that, my house is on the corner of cemetery avenue and stalker lees road, directly opposite where this happened. To think I was asleep when all this happened. It's so terrible. But it's true, Frog Walk is notorious, why oh why oh why they haven't put lighting and CCTV down there I do not know.

Originally posted by Kristian
If this is happening a lot, the police should be doing more about it from a pro-active point of view!

K x

Kristian & ALL: Apparently the police are aware and have been working within that area for the past 18 months. Its unfortunate that the people that commit these crimes are clever enough to do it when they cannot be witnessed. There are severe high banks on both sides which make it a real vulnerable spot! Students have named the walk 'Muggers Alley' and to that end they are a prime candidate as this walk is used as a short cut and the majority of them know the backround of the area. Indeed I do not think that they should therefore walk a different way - why should they - only that they should be vigilant and always walk in groups!!! The area begs for cctv and I think therefore this is something which should be requested via the residents local councillor.

BE SAFE :thumbsup:

I used to use that footpath alot, will think twice about it now :o

hi, ive heard alot about this 'frog walk', but dont actually know where it is - is it the alley near the roundabout opposite the salvation army? I have just moved to this area and finding my way round - id hate to think im walking places i shouldnt be...

One end of it is in S11 by Stalker Lees Road, near the entrance of the cemetery. The other end of it comes out on Cemetery Road I believe.

yes that is one end of the alley the other is half way down sharrow vale road, and both ends lead to cemetery avenue (near ecclesall road) at the gatehouse to the General Cemetery.

i've always felt i had to look over my shoulder down that alley.

is this anywere near bannercross :confused: as thats were my brother lives

Just to make it perfectly clear on the location of this 'dodgy' footpath.
It runs from the roundabout nearest the Stag pub [which most students have probably located] down towards Ecclesall road. When you reach the river you can either carry on bearing right to come out right next to the General Cemetery gatehouse, or just before crossing the river you can turn left which will bring you out on Sharrowvale road a short distance from the shopping area. The main part of the footpath from the roundabout to the gatehouse is narrow, dark and not particularily inviting with a ten foot high wall on one side and a steep overgrown bank and walls on the other. Maybe it would be a good idea to widen the complete footpath by several feet and install much better lighting as it is a very popular short cut.

i would suggest you take someone with you instead of going down there alone if its that bad and take some means of defence like a personal alarm :thumbsup:

I completely agree about Frog Walk, it's always been a nightmare. But I think all women need to be on their guard around here at the moment. The girl was first attacked on Cemetery Avenue, a street lined with houses. The police have called again tonight and do appear to be worried about this man being on the loose

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I completely agree about Frog Walk, it's always been a nightmare. But I think all women need to be on their guard around here at the moment. The girl was first attacked on Cemetery Avenue, a street lined with houses. The police have called again tonight and do appear to be worried about this man being on the loose


yeh frog walk is dodgy i live round the area and have herd all sorts of rumors about knifings muggins and now rape- geez maybe the cemetry has encouraged it- thats not the nicest of places. they used to have builders at the bottom but theve gone now and its been 'dodgy' ever since

Originally posted by craigmason
is this anywere near bannercross :confused: as thats were my brother lives

Miles away, don't worry.

when i first moved up to ecclesall road i heard a story/rumour about a girl who was walking through the cemetery after a club and was taken in a van by several men...raped and beaten and dropped back off in the cemetery 3 days later.

Is this urban-legend to scare new waves of freshers, or horrifyingly true?

Originally posted by _Ren
when i first moved up to ecclesall road i heard a story/rumour about a girl who was walking through the cemetery after a club and was taken in a van by several men...raped and beaten and dropped back off in the cemetery 3 days later.


It is true it happen when i first moved to that area in 2001. However i didn't realise i lived near the cemetry then!

Frog walk has always been dangerous, far too isolated. There has been probelms with it for years and it regularly features on the hallam uni forums with warnings not to use it.

yes it was 2001/2002 when i moved to the area too. more needs to be done about this. i don't know if i'm just naive but there doesn't seem to be this much of a problem, and so frequently, in any other area of sheffield.

i know there will be a lack of funding or facilities but at least for now the police need to survey this area and be at hand within minutes if anything is happening.

50 years ago a friend told me how she and her boyfriend stopped for a 'snog' on the little bench halfway up Frog Walk. It was midnight so they thought all was clear, but they were interrupted & moved on by a P.C.
Another friend told me he was pulled up, told off, & reported to his Mum because a P.C. caught him, not peddling his bike, but surfing down Frog Walk.

Oh, the good old days!

Granma.

if people are so bothered about this path, dont use it, go the long way round. :o

Originally posted by Granma
50 years ago a friend told me how she and her boyfriend stopped for a 'snog' on the little bench halfway up Frog Walk.

Oh, the good old days!

Granma.

Been there....done that, fifty years ago in June, - can't have been the same girl though 'cos I had to have her home by 10.30 latest ;) I seem to recall there was a gas lamp mounted on the wall right above that bench.

First time down Frog Walk was in 1946 when my Dad took me to 'meet the ancestors' in the cemetery :suspect:

The thing is that the long way around is a bloody long way round. A good couple of miles at least for a safe route.

Originally posted by underground1
if people are so bothered about this path, dont use it, go the long way round. :o

Thing is though the girl was originally attacked on Cemetery Avenue so I don't think avoiding one alleyway is really the answer. All women in Sheffield need to be on their guard as this man is likely to strike again.

Theres always going to be a few 'dodgy' places to avoid especially at night alone in an area. Personally i think Eccelsaw Rd/Hunters Bar is a very safe area and i have never really felt threatened or scared walking around at night alone in this area, theres been a few isolated incidents but you are going to get them in most residential areas.

Haz

Hmm, wonder if this sort of thing was mentioned when Sir Bob and his cronies won the "Best Council of the Year Award" - they could have won it under many categories including; Best footpath with defective lighting; best under-policed area; most neglected listed area (debatable) etc etc.

Yes, I know the etc etc is tautoligically unneccesary due to the word "including" (debates under general chit-chat, please), but I wanted to put it in...

i used to go to st,mnatthias school & frog walk was our afterschool playground. As a teen it was the local "lovers lane".
I never heard anything bad about it back then.
but then there wasn't much crime back then ):
shawn

Originally posted by t020
Miles away, don't worry.

Actually, it is only about a mile from the Banner Cross end of Psalter Lane to the top of Frog Walk.

Just heard on the news of another attack or mugging?

Apparently the attacker had a weapon :?

This is really terrible, as a student at hallam since september ive had several email messages and information from the police warning not to use this footpath.

Hope they catch the tw@ and get some cctv or something around this area!

Is it that far to walk up the road next to the Pomona pub and up next to Porter Brook medical centre? I'm not sure as I've only been to Psalter Lane end of town once.

matt

Hello everybody,
I have just arrived to Sheffield and while figuring out the shortest way from my future home to the nearest Tesco, I saw this very promising short cut labeled "Frog Walk" on the online "Journey Planner" at yorkshiretravel.net
The Journey planner suggests walking way around it through Hickmott Road, but I thought there'd be a shortcut. I am glad I typed in Frog Walk Sheffield on google...

Question is:
Does anyone know if it is possible to get to Tesco at 8 Berkeley Precinct, Ecclesall Rd through a street named "Porter Brook View" thus avoiding Frog Walk???

To avoid frog walk, you have to go go the long way round, either on sharrow vale road, to hickmott road, then right back down ecclesall road, or, onto ecclesall road from cemetery rd, then up eccy rd.

there's no way to cut through, through porter brook view, afaik, unless you want to swim the snuff-mill pond... lol

The thing is that the long way around is a bloody long way round. A good couple of miles at least for a safe route.

Thats balls :loopy: it takes 20 mins at a complete MAX to get around the long way...couple of miles my wotsit.

Porter Brook view has a LOCKED gate onto Frog walk, so even if it was open, not much advantage going through this Flats Complex.
I've used Frog Walk.
"Going home" time - 4 to 6 - there's usually some people around.
Otherwise don't go alone.
(Though I do - in daytime).
I think T'owd Walk is worse - that's the narrow path down from Sharrow Head with a high wall on one side. It joins Frog Walk at the bridge.
To avoid this & use Frog Walk, go down Sharrowvale Road & down the steps about opposite the piano.
You could cut through the Cemetery - usually people, dog-walkers around.

Granma.

I used to use that footpath alot, will think twice about it now :o

Please don't use it on your own.

Ten years ago my daughter was flahed at down there, in the early evening, she didn't realise it wasn't a good place to be ..luckily she was okay. Someone was raped there a few years ago as well.

My Nan lives just next to Frog Walk and she often uses it if she nips to Tesco on Ecclesall Road.

Just wait till I have words with her about it, she won't be using it any more I tell you.

It's indicative of the way the area has changed over the years. Lot's of students and young professionals with mobiles and plastic, just the pickings that the scum bags are looking for. It can be bad enough in the main inhabited areas but you at least have a chance of assistance if the worse happens.

Don't use Frog Walk at all, one day someone will be killed by taking this short cut. :confused:

I walk up and down it to take the children to school in the morning and back in the evening , theres always people around so i guess if you are careful you shold be fine , i have never found it a scary place

I have used it many times - and your fine as long as you walk in daylight, I have used it plenty at night too - but I'm six foot and mean looking with my woolly hat on!

I don't let my girlfriend walk down there at night alone, as it does have a reputation.

It really does need some council investment in some quality lighting.

I can't believe that, my house is on the corner of cemetery avenue and stalker lees road, directly opposite where this happened. To think I was asleep when all this happened. It's so terrible. But it's true, Frog Walk is notorious, why oh why oh why they haven't put lighting and CCTV down there I do not know.


But why do people still take the risk and go down there:loopy: I certainly wouldn't, I know we should be free to do as we please and go where we please but a little common sense wouldn't hurt!!

Kristian & ALL: Apparently the police are aware and have been working within that area for the past 18 months. Its unfortunate that the people that commit these crimes are clever enough to do it when they cannot be witnessed. There are severe high banks on both sides which make it a real vulnerable spot! Students have named the walk 'Muggers Alley' and to that end they are a prime candidate as this walk is used as a short cut and the majority of them know the backround of the area. Indeed I do not think that they should therefore walk a different way - why should they - only that they should be vigilant and always walk in groups!!! The area begs for cctv and I think therefore this is something which should be requested via the residents local councillor.

BE SAFE :thumbsup:
i can't say i know where your on about,but the police working in the aere for 18 months may be they should do the senseible thing put good lighting up and cctv,in the present time with all the tecnology it wouldn't be hard,they are quick enough to put up a speed camera or bus lane camera because the govermant reep the benefits and the police get loads of lovly overtime from there mobile cameras,it might just be me that thinks this way,i ask one thing if a partner or child of a police officer was attacked on here how long would it take for the cctv and cameras to be put there!!!!

can i point out that we have, once again, resurrected a very old thread....

burke and hare are alive and kicking!

It's indicative of the way the area has changed over the years. Lot's of students and young professionals with mobiles and plastic, just the pickings that the scum bags are looking for. It can be bad enough in the main inhabited areas but you at least have a chance of assistance if the worse happens.

Don't use Frog Walk at all, one day someone will be killed by taking this short cut. :confused:

I work next to it. It is known as 'rapists alley' by people I have spoken to.

"can i point out that we have, once again, resurrected a very old thread...."

Yes, for a NEW inquiry!

Granma.

Just to put 'a cat amongst the pigeons'...... I live near the top of Frog walk & over the years used it many times, day & night, but not now.
A girlfriend of mine used to walk to & from work until (in broad daylight) she saw a man who was walking up, vanish in front of her, she was a bit upset & often talked about it.

Yes...... besides the muggings & rapes etc, there are many reports of 'strange happenings' on Frog walk.

So....... BEWARE!!!!

Just to put 'a cat amongst the pigeons'...... I live near the top of Frog walk & over the years used it many times, day & night, but not now.
A girlfriend of mine used to walk to & from work until (in broad daylight) she saw a man who was walking up, vanish in front of her, she was a bit upset & often talked about it.

Yes...... besides the muggings & rapes etc, there are many reports of 'strange happenings' on Frog walk.

So....... BEWARE!!!!

ooh, we're near neighbours, then, datal! lol

re your friend's experience of mysterious disappearances of someone walking in front of her,

There have been many reports of this ilk, on frog and toad walks, (the other path that joins into frog walk, from sharrow vale road) and the high stone walls either side do make it very spooky, indeed.

I am sure that there was a report, way, way back about 150 yrs ago that some people walking down there one evening, encountered "spring-heeled jack"

ooh, we're near neighbours, then, datal! lol

re your friend's experience of mysterious disappearances of someone walking in front of her,

There have been many reports of this ilk, on frog and toad walks, (the other path that joins into frog walk, from sharrow vale road) and the high stone walls either side do make it very spooky, indeed.

I am sure that there was a report, way, way back about 150 yrs ago that some people walking down there one evening, encountered "spring-heeled jack"

ooh that made me shiver. I walk down there a lot, but spring heeled jack is enough to stop me for good!

http://www.mysterymag.com/hauntedbritain/index.php?subID=7&artID=83&page=article

don't like the look of him!!

Are there any other notoriously dodgy areas of Sheffield? Anything up Crookes end. I tend to walk down an alleyway from Crookes in the dark but it's surrounded by houses and well lit and usually has people around. Still gets a bit creepy sometimes though.

I have used it many times - and your fine as long as you walk in daylight, I have used it plenty at night too - but I'm six foot and mean looking with my woolly hat on!

I don't let my girlfriend walk down there at night alone, as it does have a reputation.

It really does need some council investment in some quality lighting.


No, its not. My daughter was flashed at, and then chased in daylight

can i point out that we have, once again, resurrected a very old thread....

burke and hare are alive and kicking!

Don't quite get your point PT, is someone was was killed there tonight do you advocate not mentioning it tomorrow? Also a lot of Forum users might not have seen the previous thread thus warning them of what they might not know to be a no go area.

I am sure that your lack of sympathy for recent victims has been noted. :huh:

Don't quite get your point PT, is someone was was killed there tonight do you advocate not mentioning it tomorrow? Also a lot of Forum users might not have seen the previous thread thus warning them of what they might not know to be a no go area.

I am sure that your lack of sympathy for recent victims has been noted. :huh:
just to correct you, crookesy,

you will note, historically, and that in previous threads about the attacks in that area, particularly, I have expressed every sympathy with the women who have endured attacks (of various kinds) around there, and stood up against the less sympathetic contributors who suggested that it's a person's own fault for walking round there.

so, I'll thank you not to make those kinds of insinuations, in future.

It has always been iffy down there

I've used F W for years and never had any trouble, although I do tend to stick to daylight hours (have used it at night quite a few times though). Yes, it is becoming a difficult area because of the opportunists who see easy pickings. I would like to point out that some people will associate the problem in FW with its neighbour the Cemetery, but the security within the Cemetery has been vastly improved with the installation of CCTV (which has already caught a few people) and the resident Warden who takes his job very seriously. Nevertheless, I do agree that better lighting and extending the cameras to the path itself might help.

This narrow lane is very old and is shown on maps from at least two centuries ago.

just to correct you, crookesy,

you will note, historically, and that in previous threads about the attacks in that area, particularly, I have expressed every sympathy with the women who have endured attacks (of various kinds) around there, and stood up against the less sympathetic contributors who suggested that it's a person's own fault for walking round there.

so, I'll thank you not to make those kinds of insinuations, in future.

to be fair, crookesy did make a good point. both my other half and I have lived in sheffield for over 6 years and neither of us were aware that this was a 'danger spot'... but we are now, so are grateful that this 'very old thread has been resurrected'.

to be fair, crookesy did make a good point. both my other half and I have lived in sheffield for over 6 years and neither of us were aware that this was a 'danger spot'... but we are now, so are grateful that this 'very old thread has been resurrected'.
broudie, I was objecting to crookesy's insinuations that I was unsympathetic toward the women who had been subjected to the (thankfully few, but still too many) attacks in that area.

just to correct you, crookesy,

you will note, historically, and that in previous threads about the attacks in that area, particularly, I have expressed every sympathy with the women who have endured attacks (of various kinds) around there, and stood up against the less sympathetic contributors who suggested that it's a person's own fault for walking round there.

so, I'll thank you not to make those kinds of insinuations, in future.

So please explain your post number 47 that showed anything but sympathy at this point in time. Please don't insinuate that I am making insinuations regarding your very cold and and flippant post that had absolutely no bearing on the importance of the thread in question.

The moderators have let the thread run I assume because of it's current importance to folk who might use Frog Walk without prior knowledge of it's reputation. It's obviously of no interest to you so why bother posting irrelevancies on it? :confused:

Kristian & ALL: Apparently the police are aware and have been working within that area for the past 18 months. Its unfortunate that the people that commit these crimes are clever enough to do it when they cannot be witnessed. There are severe high banks on both sides which make it a real vulnerable spot! Students have named the walk 'Muggers Alley' and to that end they are a prime candidate as this walk is used as a short cut and the majority of them know the backround of the area. Indeed I do not think that they should therefore walk a different way - why should they - only that they should be vigilant and always walk in groups!!! The area begs for cctv and I think therefore this is something which should be requested via the residents local councillor.

BE SAFE :thumbsup:
Maybe it's not that they are clever, but then how clever, is cleverer than the police, maybe it's because if they get caught there will be little in the way of consequences and just maybe that is also why the police aren't bothered. Muggers and that cowardly ilk should be given the opportunity to do all thier mugging in Iraq or Afghanistan, BRING BACK SELECTIVE CONSCRIPTION.

So please explain your post number 47 that showed anything but sympathy at this point in time. Please don't insinuate that I am making insinuations regarding your very cold and and flippant post that had absolutely no bearing on the importance of the thread in question.

The moderators have let the thread run I assume because of it's current importance to folk who might use Frog Walk without prior knowledge of it's reputation. It's obviously of no interest to you so why bother posting irrelevancies on it? :confused:

my comments in this thread:-

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1828618&postcount=2

make no mention of any sympathies for anyone, or anything.

Therefore, we can conclude, from a wide-ranging straw poll of those two posts, obviously proves that I must be the most unsympathetic person to ever draw breath.. (huh?) - we'll not look at all the other threads I have contributed to, where I have expressed sympaties, or offered support or vital information, shall we?

There is no problem with the mods seeming to allow irrelevancies to run on many threads especially if the comments are innocuous, stepping in if, and when, things get nasty.

There are many threads that some "burke and hares" on here ressurrect, often from many years past, for no real reason but that they can.

I sometimes think that certain members who do this are in a competition to see who can resurrect the thread with the longest "dormant" time.

ok?

I'm glad this thread came back up. I've been working near Frog Walk for a while now and have been using it as a shortcut. Had no idea it was so dodgy and have stopped using it as a result. There's nothing irrelevant about this thread except for two posters arguing about how relevant it is :loopy:

I won't use short cuts or the like after dark - espcially in winter when there are less people about. What a sad world we live in.

my comments in this thread:-

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1828618&postcount=2

make no mention of any sympathies for anyone, or anything.

Therefore, we can conclude, from a wide-ranging straw poll of those two posts, obviously proves that I must be the most unsympathetic person to ever draw breath.. (huh?) - we'll not look at all the other threads I have contributed to, where I have expressed sympaties, or offered support or vital information, shall we?

There is no problem with the mods seeming to allow irrelevancies to run on many threads especially if the comments are innocuous, stepping in if, and when, things get nasty.

There are many threads that some "burke and hares" on here ressurrect, often from many years past, for no real reason but that they can.

I sometimes think that certain members who do this are in a competition to see who can resurrect the thread with the longest "dormant" time.

ok?

Suggestion, have a stroll down Frog Walk (not on your own, a big strapping bloke at your side is recommended) and feel the bad vibes, Burke and Hare would be at home there. I still think that sound warnings posted on this forum perform a valuable public service.

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=434021&y=385988&z=1&sv=stalker+lees&st=6&tl=Stalker+Lees+Road,+Sheffield,+S_11&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srf

Its the area in the middle. The coppers definitely need to sort this out

I'm glad this thread came back up. I've been working near Frog Walk for a while now and have been using it as a shortcut. Had no idea it was so dodgy and have stopped using it as a result. There's nothing irrelevant about this thread except for two posters arguing about how relevant it is :loopy:

It wouldn't be here to read if one of them had their way, I'm sorry that you think me loopy for defending the thread posters right to post. :huh:

^ i think this thread in particular was worth resurrecting -

having used it lots, i can conclude the following:

its spooky, miserable, dangerous and filled with bad vibes.

pretty similar to the toilet at work, actually.

It wouldn't be here to read if one of them had their way, I'm sorry that you think me loopy for defending the thread posters right to post. :huh:

Wasn't really getting at you. In complete agreement this is a very valuable thread but worried it'll get locked if people spend time arguing on it.

I'm glad this thread came back up. I've been working near Frog Walk for a while now and have been using it as a shortcut. Had no idea it was so dodgy and have stopped using it as a result. There's nothing irrelevant about this thread except for two posters arguing about how relevant it is :loopy:
I agree, I've stopped using Frog Walk now too after reading this.

While it is dodgy and I don't recommend walking down it alone I think people are being a little reactionary.

I have been walking up and down there regularly for the last 7 years - not at night alone, or even at dusk, but during the day a lot of people use it and it is a useful shortcut. Just keep your wits about you.

Well I wasn't aware of the situation there, and have friends who live on Eccy road so may have used it without realising the danger. Being a young female I'm quite glad someone 'resurrected' this old thread. Apart from the amount of pointless bickering needed to trawl through to actually get to the information of course.

Well I wasn't aware of the situation there, and have friends who live on Eccy road so may have used it without realising the danger. Being a young female I'm quite glad someone 'resurrected' this old thread. Apart from the amount of pointless bickering needed to trawl through to actually get to the information of course.
Well said, re: the pointless bickering. I'm surprised that a committee hasn't been set up so that the issue could be further clouded.

Well said, re: the pointless bickering. I'm surprised that a committee hasn't been set up so that the issue could be further clouded.

You could be just the person to set it up. :hihi:

You could be just the person to set it up. :hihi:
I'll prepare the necessary written resolutions !