If they were relegated?

I know this sounds stupid in theory, but hear me out.

We all know when a team is doing well the crowds will come back, regardless of the league you are in. Lets face it, the Owls have a massive fan base, and if they were stringing results together like last time they were in League one, your crowds would surely come back?

As it stands, in this league you are treading water, your crowds are falling and morale must seriously be at an all time low of recent history.

If you do stay up, where do you go from there? Will crowds dwindle further if you carry on as you are this season?

If the last few remaining "good" players you have leave, will you be able to replace them? Will you then stay up the following season?

If you go down, they will probably leave too, however the replacements could come in against inferior teams and pick up some confidence and make them go on to better players?

I know this is all daft coming from a Blade, but I am genuinely concerned on where the Owls will go from here.

I can see where you're coming from Robbie, and I've had fleeting thoughts along the same lines. But I come back to thinking that its a way of accepting relegation as being 'OK'. It's not OK its a disastrous failure by the management and the players however you dress it up.It may not be the end of the world and in the long term it may be better to be be relegated, but I would prefer survival this year and a much better season next year.

Points taken, and don't get me wrong I do agree muntjac. Relegation is fairure, no matter how it is sugar coated.

It's just your financial predicament that is obviously the main concern. However.... the "investors" may be put off by a league one team. On the other hand the price of the worth of the Owls may go down too....

Going down to the 1st cannot be construed as the best thing to happen. The problem is that even if it happens you'll never know if it really was a good thing, because you won't know what might have happened if we had stayed up.(if you get my drift)
I don't believe you can attract good Championship players when you are in the 1st, you have to build again with young players and that takes time. In the meantime the club loses more money and support and the downward spiral continues.
Some Owls fans will remember the Len Ashurst era when he bought good third division players when we were in the second and what happened ? we finished up in the third !!!You can't tell me that benefitted the club, because look where we are now.No, what will be a benefit to the Club will be staying in the Championship this season-getting new Investors on board-give Laws some money to spend-give him at least another full season-smarten up the Stadium and at least look like a club that is looking to progress and get the apathetic Owls fans down to the ground to actually support the club they tell everyone they support !

i can see where you arre coming from but i think staying in the championship would be better. fair enough, if we are playing well, some fans may come back but would it really be enough to help the club, to really help the club it needs over 23k and i dont see us getting that many with a good season in league 1. there is also the issue of the takeover not happening if we were relegated, if its true that is. i just dont think it would help enough to go down really, it didnt really last time

In the days when almost all your income came from fans through turnstiles, you were better off being high in the third division than nearly bottom of the second.

Nowadays, when the vast bulk of income comes from TV deals, I wonder if that's true any more. The argument may be out of date. It is unquestionably out of date at the top level - 17th in the Premiership, six years in a row, is vastly better than top six in the Championship six years in a row; vastly better, even, then 1st-relegated-1st-relegated-1st-relegated.

Going down to the 1st cannot be construed as the best thing to happen. The problem is that even if it happens you'll never know if it really was a good thing, because you won't know what might have happened if we had stayed up.(if you get my drift)
I don't believe you can attract good Championship players when you are in the 1st, you have to build again with young players and that takes time. In the meantime the club loses more money and support and the downward spiral continues.
I can see Robbie's POV. Of course, it's not the best thing, but it may improve things, after all Wednesday would be fairly certain to be close to the top of the 2nd. And after all, fans want to see wins. I've seen the Blades many a season at the bottom of divisions, and it's , well.. crap!! Nothing like the boost of a good season, entertainment wise, atmosphere wise, and fan numbers wise.

However... bringing in Heyesey's POV, how much money in TV is involved in the 2nd, compared to the 1st?
In the days when almost all your income came from fans through turnstiles, you were better off being high in the third division than nearly bottom of the second.

Nowadays, when the vast bulk of income comes from TV deals, I wonder if that's true any more. The argument may be out of date. It is unquestionably out of date at the top level - 17th in the Premiership, six years in a row, is vastly better than top six in the Championship six years in a row; vastly better, even, then 1st-relegated-1st-relegated-1st-relegated.
Also, IMO, there is a difference too with the Premiership as it is. I think I would rather pay to see top of table team in the 2nd, than relegation battle at the bottom of the 1st.

Whereas, I'd rather see fighting for survival in the Prem, than top of the table in the 1st. If that makes sense. :confused:


(also noticed, I've mentioned the Championship as the 1st, but you know what mean):hihi:

I can see where you're coming from Robbie, and I've had fleeting thoughts along the same lines. But I come back to thinking that its a way of accepting relegation as being 'OK'. It's not OK its a disastrous failure by the management and the players however you dress it up.It may not be the end of the world and in the long term it may be better to be be relegated, but I would prefer survival this year and a much better season next year.

Spot on. I agree completely.

You have only been up 2 seasons so what differance would it make if you went down again no magic wand .A few good results confidence starts to grow and away you go

Spot on. I agree completely.

I'm sure everyone woud; but what's more likely? Staying up by the skin of your teeth, and then going on a charge - or staying up by the skin, and then having another struggle?

If it's a choice between finishing 21st this year and 20th next, or going down and then having a romp in the third division, you probably are better off going down. Depends how confident you are that next season would be a significant improvement, I suppose...

Would the OWls be better off.......


If they were any good? yes probably

even a good season in league 1 wouldnt bring enough fans back to make a difference, we wouldnt get as much money as in championship and the takeover might not happen if we did go down, i really cant see any positives after thinking about it more. i would take survival this season and just surviving next aswell. we will surely have more chance of a takeover when were in the championship if this one goes wrong

no way, the football in league one can be dire, i fear crowds would drop alot further if we went down, ok they might start getting bigger if we started doing well, but i can't see them being much bigger than around 20,000 in league 1.

We just need to stay up and try and do better next season

no way, the football in league one can be dire, i fear crowds would drop alot further if we went down, ok they might start getting bigger if we started doing well, but i can't see them being much bigger than around 20,000 in league 1.

We just need to stay up and try and do better next season
????:huh: ME THINKS DIFFERENT??
the fact is if we stay up... do we want to stay a team that without a Chairman+Money+Investment, are gonna struggle season after season... ?? The club needs to go back to basics and get the Investment we need first, then build a team, the team we have if we are being 100% honest... id only like to keep 4 of the lads that are in the first 11... we play like an avarage below par team, struggle wk after wk, enough is enough... the last time we went down, we had a great season commin bk up, we WON games and as supporters we had the feel good factor!! we dont av that now do we?? until the take over if it ever happens goes through, we are just gonna plod along tryin to stay afloat... thats not football... what we did wrong when we went down last time and came bk up was to expect too much too soon.... we did the same last season, at the end of the season when we put together a few good results BL and the Boys were flying high, there was talk about a push for the play offs...:loopy::loopy: dont make me laugh.... I lv my club... i want the old wednesday bk, a team that i can be proud of no matter of what league we are in, if we are good enough to be in this league next season then so be it... if we go down we cant blame anyone.