Does anyone use Mozilla Firefox?

Just a random poll, dont know why just wondered! :)

(ignore the thunderbird option, messed up on the poll there)

I thought Thunderbird was an e-mail client?

K x

I use Firefox :clap:

Originally posted by TracieJC
I use Firefox :clap:

I do; tabbed browsing is fab!

K x

Originally posted by Kristian
I thought Thunderbird was an e-mail client?

K x

It is ;) and Firefox and IE aren't the only options...

it should be more like:

IE, Firefox, Opera, Netscape... those are the current biggies

For all these firefox users this makes it go faster ;) I found it browsing


1 ) Load Firefox
2 ) In URL/Address bar type "about:config"
3 ) Right click anywhere on screen and select, New->Integer
4 ) Under "Enter preference name" type "nglayout.initialpaint.delay"
5 ) Hit Ok
6 ) Under "Enter Integer Value" type "0" (number zero)
7 ) Hit Ok

(remaining is optional)
8 ) Goto filter textbox, enter "network.http"
9 ) Find network.http.pipelining entry
10) Double left click, new value will be true
11) Find network.http.pipelining.maxrequests
12) Double click and change value to 8
13) Click Ok.

What these do is this, by default, gecko, the rendering engine in Firefox waits 250 milliseconds before it starts to draw the web page, in earlier versions of firefox this object was visible to normal users, new versions hide it, but when you set the initialpaint.delay to 0 the browser will immediately start rendering the page.

Firefox can also use multiple connections to a web server in order to download, But default this setting is disabled, but once enabled (and the default number of pipelines is increased to 8 ) you browser will actually try and download multiple files all at once, on a dialup this might not be too good, but on high speed it's fine.

And yep Thunderbird is definitely an email client :P

Yea sorry about thundebird, forgot about that a bit :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Kristian
I thought Thunderbird was an e-mail client?

K x

it is :D

Firefox. Tabbed browsing absolutely rocks. And there's a StumbleUpon plugin for it as well.

Oh, and Pocket IE when out and about ;)
When's the lo-fi version of da Forum coming? :P

Originally posted by hotphil
Firefox. Tabbed browsing absolutely rocks. And there's a StumbleUpon plugin for it as well.

Is that like Network Stumbler?

K x

I use Firefox/Opera and Maxthon (only just installed).

Firefox is the Don of all browsers at the minute although there are whispers about Google making a browser :heyhey: . Then theres Internet Explorer 7 coming out later this year! ;).



11) Find network.http.pipelining.maxrequests
12) Double click and change value to 8

Lots of people set this to 30 now but be warned, take it much further and you'll get sites kicking you off for clogging up their bandwidth :(.

I mainly use firefox. Cannot fault it realy. Very stable and safe.

thanks for that :)

IE7 this year? MS don't have too good a track record of sticking to release dates. I'd be surprised.

Originally posted by hotphil
IE7 this year? MS don't have too good a track record of sticking to release dates. I'd be surprised.

It wasn't supposed to be this year but they're starting to get a bit worried about all the new browsers being released.
Firefox will shortly release their new version, Opera have a new beta version available and last week Google copyrighted and registered the domain name 'Gbrowser'.

People are coming round to the idea of using a different browser. Yesterday we had 76 guests online and there wasn't a single IE there ;).

freedom of choice is a wonderful thing :D

What about Avant Browser? I know it uses IE but it adds so many more features, similar to Firefox but (IMO) with a nicer interface and less of a slow-down.

Originally posted by t020
What about Avant Browser? I know it uses IE but it adds so many more features, similar to Firefox but (IMO) with a nicer interface and less of a slow-down.

Ahh....This one i have heard lots about but not yet tried. There is also slimbrowser as well. Along with Maxthon, these 3 are just IE skins but Maxthon is definately faster than IE for me :).
Infact, i'd say it's as fast as Firefox at the moment :heyhey:

Have used Maxthon and Avant at times when I've needed NT authentication on out intranet, but they seem so unstable and I don't like the lookand feel of them compared to Firefox. FF Rocks.

My, we are a bunch of early adopters, aren't we? Most of my site stats are still showing a big majority of IE users, though people do seem to be waking up to the fact that there are other options.

I voted Firefox, though actually I use Firefox and IE - Firefox is my main browser, the one that fires up when I click links in emails etc, but a few of the sites which I visit regularly don't work properly in Firefox, so I still fire up IE pretty often and actually end up using the two browsers roughly 50/50.

I was just about to say that we have a disproportionatly high number of Firefox users here on the forum.

I have 2 sites that I go to regularly which I can't use in Firefox, these are windows update and legal general's online servicing. Fortunately I have the launchy extension so I can easy open the links in IE whilst navigating to them in my default browser.

Interesting.....

I've just played a little with Firefox and was quite disappointed with the performance. (Saw the configuration tip above, thanks).

Seemed to take a while to fire up and also seemed sluggish on loading pages against IE6.

Platform here is an IBM Thinkpad 600, P2, 96Mb running Windows ME.

The developer support within Firefox (DOM, etc.) is pretty good and it'll get used for that, but I think that I'll be sticking to IE for my usual browsing.

Joe

Originally posted by JoePritchard

Platform here is an IBM Thinkpad 600, P2, 96Mb running Windows ME.


Someone that actually uses ME?! :shocked: :shocked:

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

96 MB of RAM :o

t020, J-Blaze,

Those of us in IT for a living often run systems that are NOT leading edge because that's what our clients run.... :) And hey, it's not how big your tackle is it's whether you know how to use it or not! ;)

I don't play games, don't do media editing and such - and ME is a bit of a pain but it works. Other PCs here run NT, Win 98, Win 95, 2000 - the whole range.

So it would appear that Firefox is following the earlier Mozilla output by requiring a fairly hefty system to run on..... I remember some years ago that the worst performance I ever saw from a browser was from the last version of Netscape that then went to provide the first open source version of Mozilla.

Joe

My son and I have arguments over this.
he wanted Mozilla Firefox, but I have enrolled with Learn Direct to do ECDL and the disk that they gave me will not work as it will only regognise IE.
Frustrating!!!

Originally posted by JoePritchard
I don't play games, don't do media editing and such - and ME is a bit of a pain but it works. Other PCs here run NT, Win 98, Win 95, 2000 - the whole range.

The whole range includes XP as well ;)

And "bit of a pain" is a bit of an understatement. I had the misfortune of briefly having to use an ME machine at work a few years ago. It would freeze up about three times a day, just to keep me on my toes, and plugging in a scanner or graphics tablet really was a lottery. As I'd been used to using NT, I wasn't very familiar with system-wide lockups, and it used to annoy the hell out of me.

My major gripes with Firefox are:

- the Links toolbar can't be shrunk down to just a little double-chevron drop-down menu like it can on IE (at least as far as I've worked out)

- when using Moveable Type, the JavaScript buttons don't appear. I don't really use the italic and bold ones, but the URL button makes life a hell of a lot easier than having to type in <a href... (and invariably missing out a quotation mark or closing tag) all of the time.

- when using forums that run on Discus, the cookie-based system for marking new threads doesn't seem to work, so every time I go back to a forum I have to work out manually which ones I haven't read yet.

Other than that, I'm very happy with Firefox. And I think that giving every newbie a copy would be a huge public service: the number of trojans I see on peoples' machines that have got there via IE hijacks is scary.

Yup,

XP is there as well and gets tested against!

The ME problems I've had have all been to do with USB issues - fortunately the laptop I run ME on doesn't need USB for owt!

Joe

Originally posted by espadrille
My son and I have arguments over this.
he wanted Mozilla Firefox, but I have enrolled with Learn Direct to do ECDL and the disk that they gave me will not work as it will only regognise IE.
Frustrating!!!

Run Opera, change it's identification to IE and see if that will fool the disk ;)

I use Opera as my main web browser, ocasionally Konquerer at work, and and I use thrunderbird as my main home mail client and Kontact at work :D

Originally posted by JoePritchard
Yup,

XP is there as well and gets tested against!

The ME problems I've had have all been to do with USB issues - fortunately the laptop I run ME on doesn't need USB for owt!

Joe

But even Windows 98 is better than ME and being older, would suit your spec better too. ;)

t020,

True, but as I have 98 running elsewhere that laptop carries the ME can, so to say! :) As I mentioned, I keep different versions of Windows running for test reasons.

I guess that I'm a firm believer in 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'. As the spec or lack of it, and the stability of ME or otherwise isn't causing me real grief I'll just poddle along doing what I need to do.... :)

Joe

So you won't be installing Longhorn on your laptop Joe :suspect:


I've got to admit though. My old laptop (P3 600MHZ) ran virtually as fast as this one once connected to the net. The problem was waiting 5mins for it to boot :gag:

Originally posted by evildrneil
Run Opera, change it's identification to IE and see if that will fool the disk ;)

You can do that trick with firefox too.

Nomme

cant say i've ever used anything other than IE, but i vaguely remember using netscape, but that was yrs ago when i had my old 486 running 3.1, i miss you file manager..........NOT!:rolleyes:

Originally posted by t020
Someone that actually uses ME?! :shocked: :shocked:
I use ME, tried XP, but it was so unstable on my machine, i got rid, which was very difficult!!
and on this brief history lesson, my auntie is STILL using 98se, even after i offered to format her machine and put in ME.
Sad.:loopy:

Our local College was still using Windows 3.11 for Workgroups back in 1997 when I was there.... WTF?! And they were teaching word processing on crap outdated software such as Wordperfect, eh?! Most Offices and workplaces use Word for word processing these days so why the hell they probably still use wordperfect which was crap by even 1997 standards God only knows.... :loopy:

Originally posted by Rich
Our local College was still using Windows 3.11 for Workgroups back in 1997 when I was there.... WTF?!


So what was the state of the art for mickysoft then?

Originally posted by Rich

And they were teaching word processing on crap outdated software such as Wordperfect, eh?! Most Offices and workplaces use Word for word processing these days so why the hell they probably still use wordperfect which was crap by even 1997 standards God only knows.... :loopy:

Maybe it's because they have 20 milions users and a product that people actually want to use.

http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Corel3/Products/Display&pfid=1047024307359

Nomme

Although I voted IE, I have now changed over to Firefox and Thunderbird Email. Its the best thing I have ever done on this PC.

Much much better and faster and no more crashes.

N I C K

When using Windows, I use Firefox (and, occasionally CameraShy) for web browsing, and TheBat or Thunderbird for email.

When using Linux I use ............ Firefox (and occasionally Konqueror) for web browsing and Thunderbird for emails.


I also have a browser "in production" that utilises the IE core, so (I guess) I "technically" also use IE when I am testing this browser;)


Originally posted by JoePritchard
I've just played a little with Firefox and was quite disappointed with the performance. (Saw the configuration tip above, thanks).

Seemed to take a while to fire up and also seemed sluggish on loading pages against IE6.

Platform here is an IBM Thinkpad 600, P2, 96Mb running Windows ME.


Firefox is extremely fast on this PC (AMD Duron 600, Win 98, 256M) when running under Linux;) though it does take a while to load (the first instance of) when running under Windows:(!


I blame Bill & Co for writing such convoluted, inaccessible code;).

At least with Firefox, the developers try to follow accepted standards, unlike IE, which constantly tries to define standards, which then results in "issues".

And, before I get accused, I'm not having a go @ MS (I quite like a few of the OSs produced by them (MS Dos 6.1, and Win 98)

We have 2 PCs... one with XP and IE, the other with windows 2000 and Firefox. The PC with XP and IE gets many more problems with viruses and spyware.

Originally posted by Patchy
We have 2 PCs... one with XP and IE, the other with windows 2000 and Firefox. The PC with XP and IE gets many more problems with viruses and spyware.

Which of course doesn't automatically mean that IE has worse security than Firefox. IE has a much higher proportion of the internet browsing population than Firefox, hence most viruses and spywares are developed specifically for breaching IE security, thus catching the most fish. If Firefox ever becomes the majority-share browser, that will be when its security is properly tested.

Originally posted by t020
Which of course doesn't automatically mean that IE has worse security than Firefox. IE has a much higher proportion of the internet browsing population than Firefox, hence most viruses and spywares are developed specifically for breaching IE security, thus catching the most fish. If Firefox ever becomes the majority-share browser, that will be when its security is properly tested.

Partly true, but because IE is much more tightly integrated with the OS then IE security problems have much more potential to wreak havoc on your machine than Firefox ones.

Originally posted by DanSumption
Partly true, but because IE is much more tightly integrated with the OS then IE security problems have much more potential to wreak havoc on your machine than Firefox ones.

Time will tell (if Firefox ever does become the number 1 browser).

Originally posted by t020
Time will tell (if Firefox ever does become the number 1 browser).
Not really. IE is a part of the Windows operating system. Firefox is just a web browser. Therefore, the potential to wreak havoc with IE is much greater, because you have direct hooks into many security-critical parts of OS. With Firefox you don't, because it was never built that way.

That's not to say that Firefox is likely to be totally secure, or that Firefox wouldn't attract more hacking attempts if it were more popular. Just that it will never result in the sort of security compromises that have resulted from IE hacks, because it doesn't have access to the OS on the same level.

Originally posted by DanSumption
Not really. IE is a part of the Windows operating system. Firefox is just a web browser. Therefore, the potential to wreak havoc with IE is much greater, because you have direct hooks into many security-critical parts of OS. With Firefox you don't, because it was never built that way.

That's not to say that Firefox is likely to be totally secure, or that Firefox wouldn't attract more hacking attempts if it were more popular. Just that it will never result in the sort of security compromises that have resulted from IE hacks, because it doesn't have access to the OS on the same level.

Time will tell. ;)

I don't think you can predict what security openings might arise with Firefox in the future.

It's interesting to see that over 60% of forum users utilise Firefox! That's far higher than average!

K x

Originally posted by Kristian
It's interesting to see that over 60% of forum users utilise Firefox!
You missed those magic words "who expressed a preference".

I expect that IE use is much higher among those who didn't respond, which will include those who don't care, don't know what a browser is, or don't use the forum regularly enough to have spotted this topic.

Originally posted by DanSumption
You missed those magic words "who expressed a preference".

I expect that IE use is much higher among those who didn't respond, which will include those who don't care, don't know what a browser is, or don't use the forum regularly enough to have spotted this topic.

Damn You, and your voice of reason DanSumption! :evil: :D

K x

Started years ago with Netscape, moved to IE until someone put me on to Firefox, and I've never looked back. Superb:thumbsup:

Originally posted by Kristian
Damn You, and your voice of reason DanSumption! :evil: :D

:evil-yet-reasonable-laugh:

Where is the "filter textbox" referred to in speeding up Firefox?

I hope all our Firfox users have updated it recently!.
Firefox 1.0.2 is the newest version and it addreses a security flaw that earlier versions had.

Originally posted by vidster
I hope all our Firfox users have updated it recently!.
Firefox 1.0.2 is the newest version and it addreses a security flaw that earlier versions had.

:o And there I was thinking Firefox was flawless. :hihi:

Originally posted by t020
:o And there I was thinking Firefox was flawless. :hihi:

Let's face it... Firefox probably has a lot of flaws and as soon as it becomes a big enough target the script kiddies will attack it in droves.
At least with this update Mozilla are acting before anyone has had chance to take advantage of the vulnerability, rather than leaving it for a few weeks or months like a certain other company does before releasing a patch :suspect:

Originally posted by t020
Time will tell. ;)
Only then will we know which is truly the better browser.

Probably Gbrowser :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Seriously t020, just try using Firefox for an hour or so. You'll never look back. Don't knock it until you've tried it huh?

Originally posted by Sidla
Seriously t020, just try using Firefox for an hour or so. You'll never look back. Don't knock it until you've tried it huh?

I have tried it and I don't like it.

PS. Where did my last post in this thread vanish to? I'd like it reinstated. Vidster even quotes part of it so the thread loses context.

What didn't you like about it?

I accidentally deleted your last post, if you can remember what you said then please post it again. I was trying to quote you, but pressed the 'edit' button instead. I edited it beyond repair and the only way out was to delete it altogether. :blush:

Originally posted by Sidla
What didn't you like about it?

I accidentally deleted your last post, if you can remember what you said then please post it again. I was trying to quote you, but pressed the 'edit' button instead. I edited it beyond repair and the only way out was to delete it altogether. :blush:


Why not simply Ctrl-Z until the original re-appeared??


Works for me;).

Well it doesn't matter anymore because it's gone. I'll try and remember that in future though.

Originally posted by Sidla
What didn't you like about it?

I accidentally deleted your last post, if you can remember what you said then please post it again. I was trying to quote you, but pressed the 'edit' button instead. I edited it beyond repair and the only way out was to delete it altogether. :blush:

I just found it slow, particularly when opening the first instance of the browser. I have a relatively fast PC but for some reason opening Firefox throws it into a fit. I wasn't too keen on the GUI either.

PS. :lol: