We need more high-rise. Not over the top high-rise but owen building type higher-than-the-rest buildings.

Things like that tower in the proposed retail quarter.

Does anyone know how many floors it has?

I definately think we need a little more on the high rise side but I think it will be a topic that splits opinion. I do though know that there are inbetween 10 and 20 proposals for 'high-rises' that should be going up between now and 2007 (long tim ei know) so that should help a bit with the skyline...(aslong as it is well designed - something that we may not be able to say about the Heart of the City Effort)

P.S. The new tower as part of the Retail Quarter is going to be a hotel and has 20-25 floor...

Originally posted by Manhattanman
We need more high-rise. Not over the top high-rise but owen building type higher-than-the-rest buildings.

Things like that tower in the proposed retail quarter.

Does anyone know how many floors it has?

you don't say why - like the benefits of high rise.c'mon give us your personal opinion from up there in the sky!

Yeah I got one of those booklets from the architects, but it only told me that it would be either a hotel or residential.

I know that there is a new residential building that is going to be built where the new zig-zag roofed apartments are. Its going to have 19 floors!

thanks!

The benefits of a high-rise are:

-More office or retail space
-significant change in skyline
-improves the citys buisness reputation
-influences large firms into the city

things like that.

Originally posted by Manhattanman
The benefits of a high-rise are:

-significant change in skyline


things like that.

thats a benefit? ...an eyesore to some!!! we wont be able to see the winter gardens if theres too much high rise built - a double waste of money if so!

I didnt say the new developments I just mean generally in the city.

Plus its your personal opinion of an eyesaw that makes it one!
The winter gardens are going to get blocked with or without high-rise because even 3 floors could block a veiw (depending on where you are looking from)

And Im all for making public plazas but thats what the peace gardens are for in that area. if you suggest putting gardens or public spaces on the 'eggbox' site it'll just be too much!

anyway as pleasing to the eye as it is (and my favorite building in sheffield) all winter gardens are designed for their inside, y'know like public space - thats what there for.

Originally posted by Manhattanman
anyway as pleasing to the eye as it is (and my favorite building in sheffield) all winter gardens are designed for their inside, y'know like public space - thats what there for.

i disagree. the plants did not cost a million pounds now did they? nor is the building conventional and boring to the general public.

I never said it was boring in fact i said the opposite - ITS MY FAVORITE- of course they didnt spend that much. But the origional concept of a winter garden is a public space with a relaxing enviroment with places to eat and sit and generally with plants of a different origin. Its just supposed to be somewhere different to go and an architectural statement.

Originally posted by Manhattanman
I never said it was boring in fact i said the opposite - ITS MY FAVORITE- of course they didnt spend that much. But the origional concept of a winter garden is a public space with a relaxing enviroment with places to eat and sit and generally with plants of a different origin. Its just supposed to be somewhere different to go and an architectural statement.

correct, but in that post you implied that the actual structure of the building was of no interest to the public.

no thats not what i meant, Thats all i go there for sometimes, just to sit and look at the structure.

I'm an architect and I understand what you are saying about the high-rise, but you have to understand that I come from new york and Its normal for me to be around the skyscrapers.

Originally posted by Manhattanman
no thats not what i meant, Thats all i go there for sometimes, just to sit and look at the structure.

I'm an architect and I understand what you are saying about the high-rise, but you have to understand that I come from new york and Its normal for me to be around the skyscrapers.


do you do that with park hill flats too? y'know Le Corbusier and all.

which ones are the park hill ones again?

P.S.
if they are those ugly ones then definitley not!

park hill flats are on the edge of the city centre, behind the train station - they are a listed building. maybe west one and royal plaza will have the same housing problems in the future and appear 'ugly'.

oh yeah, those. no i prefer those new apartments with the zig-zag roofs.

Not all high rises are ugly. Sheffield has been tainted in the past with the ugly Hyde Park flats.

This (http://www.art.man.ac.uk/Geog/salfordquays/view9.htm) is hardly a skyscraper, but shows how you can design a stylish high rise. Tere are some more impressive ones but I can't find the web page at the moment.

Oh yeah, I think I saw that the last time I was at the quays.

Nice, very postmodern.

got one more (http://www.findaproperty.co.uk/cgi-bin/agent.pl?agentid=1288&opt=prop&pid=079376&photo=1#photo)

and this (http://www.penninewaterways.co.uk/manchester/m20.htm) is how you develop a waterfront. Take note Sheffield Canal Developers!

oh yeah, i love that and the designer outlet at the bottom. I also like the lowry, the bridge and the imperial war museum north, which by the way was designed by daniel libeskind (the guy doing the initial plan for the new wtc)

Originally posted by Manhattanman
We need more high-rise. Not over the top high-rise but owen building type higher-than-the-rest buildings.

Things like that tower in the proposed retail quarter.

Does anyone know how many floors it has?


Give me a house every time !!!

Okay, i accept that some people like houses instead. but when youre a city person down to the bone like me you prefer apartments or condos.

I agree with Manhattanman...

Winter Gardens in NYC is towered over by the World Financial Centers and it still looks ace. Sheffield's WG will only look better than it does now, with that hole next door to it, we need a huge skyscraper amongst it that oozes that of a modern sophisticated city.

Originally posted by starchild
I agree with Manhattanman...

Winter Gardens in NYC is towered over by the World Financial Centers and it still looks ace. Sheffield's WG will only look better than it does now, with that hole next door to it, we need a huge skyscraper amongst it that oozes that of a modern sophisticated city.

A building next to it, contrasting with it, yes, that's good. A building hiding it? That's dumb. The Winter Garden is a far more interesting building (from both inside and outside) than it's proposed neighbours. It shouldn't be hidden so comprehensively. I agree that there needs to be something there instead of 'that hole' (doesn't everyone?) but only our councillors are dumb enough to suggest that we'll be stuck with it if their hotel isn't built.

Where were all these comments and criticisms when the original plans were made available? When the plans were first made available to the public there were no comments made about the proposed hotel. The only thing that seemed to concern people were that we were getting rid of the egg box and the Peace Gardens.

Originally posted by max
Where were all these comments and criticisms when the original plans were made available? When the plans were first made available to the public there were no comments made about the proposed hotel. The only thing that seemed to concern people were that we were getting rid of the egg box and the Peace Gardens.

Even with an architectural training I find it hard to visualise what people are planning based on a few sketchy renderings. Only when something more comprehensive is demonstrated do you sit up, notice and understand. Early pictures I've seen of Pringle Richard Sharrats' plans for the Winter Garden do show a building where the hotel is, but it's much smaller than the hotel that's going to be built.

http://www.prsarchitects.com/projects/sheffield_garden.html

And right up until late Spring the only pictures we had been shown of the proposed offices were semi-transparent blocks. There's no way that you can make an informed decision based on that basic level of information.

Overall I've been impressed with the proposed developments in the city, and was with the proposals for the Heart of the City when I first saw them (and I went out of my way to read about them despite being away from the city for 4 years). It's only as the detail has been thrashed out that the mistakes have become obvious.

I think a lot of the comments by the public are being made in such public forums (eg., here and the newspapers) because people don't feel they are being listened to elsewhere. Correspondence I had with Jan Wilson left me with the impression that she's been brainwashed by MacDonalds Hotels (given the pointless party political bickering that goes on I can understand that she wants to watch her back, but I still feel her responses to my questions could have been more helpful), while I've never even received confirmation from Sheffield1 that the 2 e-mails I sent were received.