I had an OT friend who researched this for her degree recently and the literature seems to suggest that there could be a link, not to autism, but a form of disorder on the autistic spectrum (can't remember the name of it now) or at least, a link couldn't be ruled out.

In this case, I won't risk my son's health, however small the risk. I'll be having the jabs done separately when the time comes in a few months.

Sorry RozeePozee, but that's plain silly. You base your decision on the work of an amateur researcher instead of the summed knowledge and expertise of eminent scientists!!! Crazy! Your son will be at much greater risk by not having the vaccine. The single jabs are unlicensed, not as effective and not as safe and not as well researched and tested. Nor are they made to the same standards: Czech Republic! Even if separate jabs did work as well, you would be subjecting your child to lots of unnecessary pain from all of those extra needles!

Some friends of ours had to have both their children re-immunized with separate jabs, because the first set of single vaccines were not administered properly - i.e. by outfits with an eye on profits, not medical care.

If you have any doubts at all then get single jabs. If something goes wrong after an MMR then you will forever wonder if it was to blame. Personally I don't think there is a link but then the only valid reason for having triple jabs is the cost and convenience, so they should offer single jabs to those that still have concerns and get a 100% takeup. We have the ridiculous situation where it is only the combined jabs that are in doubt and there is a sensible alternative and yet it isn't offerred.

My daughter is due to have her jabs on Wednesday and can't decide on having the MMR or having the seperate jabs (anyone know the how and where i could get this done)

Any thoughts or experiences on this are welcomed, its very worrying

Samantha Andrews
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Both my kids had MMR.
I think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages but that didn't stop me worrying about it!

If you have any doubts at all then get single jabs. If something goes wrong after an MMR then you will forever wonder if it was to blame. Personally I don't think there is a link but then the only valid reason for having triple jabs is the cost and convenience, so they should offer single jabs to those that still have concerns and get a 100% takeup. We have the ridiculous situation where it is only the combined jabs that are in doubt and there is a sensible alternative and yet it isn't offerred.

It takes years and years, and costs an absolute fortune to properly test the efficacy and safety of a vaccine, never mind bring it to market. The MMR jab in its present form is the product of a massive international effort. The people who worked on it are currently very busy developing new vaccines to protect us against emerging threats like bird flu, and very real current threats like SARS and Ebola. It would be foolish to take them away from this vital work to re-invent the wheel. Like I said: give your kid the less effective and less safe single jabs if you want to, secure in the knowledge that they will be less well protected, more likely to suffer an adverse reaction and have all those extra needless needles to suffer!

I know it is slightly off topic but I can remember when I had my separate jabs just before I started school just one of them few things that you remember when your a little un. :)

My daughter is due to have her jabs on Wednesday and can't decide on having the MMR or having the seperate jabs (anyone know the how and where i could get this done)

Any thoughts or experiences on this are welcomed, its very worrying

Samantha Andrews
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As an ex nurse and having read all the literature FOR and Against, I would definitely have the MMR and not the separate jabs.

I have worked in the field of Autism for 14 years and my partner is a senior lecturer in Autism, I have children (5 and 4) Have the MMR is my advise, Andrew Wakefield is not a reputable researcher, he is a scare munger.

i wasnt worried at all about giving my daughter the mmr, if we listened to the proffesionals all the time my dad would have been killed many years ago and i would be in a wheelchair, even the proffesionals get it wrong sometimes:)

I was against and my hubby was for our little girl having the jab. We agreed to have them done seperately but couldn't find anywhere that would do it outside of London. Afetr a few arguements I agreed to let her have it. She hardly cried at the jab and she has not had any problems.

I am still anti-vaccine but took my girl for her Menengitis jab yesterday too!

The original diseases that MMR protects your child against are as bad, if not worse in some cases, than the unproven autism link. So far I have yet to read a decent bit of science to substantiate the claims made connecting MMR and autism, and as a scientist I will be letting my kids get the triple jab. I am furious that the original work was published, it's a blight on a lot of hard work done by scientists.

I'm just lucky to be pregnant now, having contracted rubella a few years ago from a kid who didn't have the triple jab...

I had both of my children vaccinated with the MMR. My husband's cousin died from measles at the age of 6. Even if the link was true (I don't for one minute believe it is) the choice of worst risk was clear to me - autistic child or dead child.
I was amazed how friends with kids the same age as mine all flew into a frenzy when the MMR debate arose and made their decision about this armed only with the info they read in the press.
The number of children contracting measles rose suddenly as a result of the lower MMR uptake & I know there has been at least one death in this area. Luckily the number of kids being vaccinated is rising again but sadly it's too late for the child who died.

I had a good look at all the arguments, scrutinised the scientific studies available on the net, looked up the arguments for and against by all REPUTABLE agencies and organisations, spoke to people who work with autistic children, health visitors and doctors...and took my child for his MMR without compunction.

I did end up outraged at the total irresponsibility of the anti-MMR lobby and the media coverage.

I suggest others do the same. Don't just follow what the media or other people on here say, have a look for yourself. Speak to your doctor. Look at reputable sources, not scaremongering sites. It's easy to get carried away with worry when its your child's health at risk, of course it is. That's why I looked and looked and weighed up the information and options. By the time I took Cosycub for his MMR my worries were the usual ones - will he cry, will he have a minor reaction, will I cry. I was confident that I had the information I needed to have made the right choice for my child.

But if you do decide not to go for the MMR, please please please be responsible and get your child immunised. Research the place you are getting your single jabs, make sure they aren't just after money but care about your child's health, and keep up with ALL the jabs. Don't add to the growing numbers of children who aren't protected against these diseases and put themselves and others at risk.

I don't think anyone has ever validated the good doctors research so I would be inclined to take it with a truckload of salt! The dangers of M, M or R are probably rather higher than the unconfirmed, and possibly spurious, risk of autism.

I'm just lucky to be pregnant now, having contracted rubella a few years ago from a kid who didn't have the triple jab...

This is a very good point - there has been an increase in (particularly) measles which appears to be due to a decrease in uptake of the MMR jab. Vaccination requires an uptake in the order of 90+ percent to effectively remove the viral pool or you will get continual outbreaks and re-infections

Can anyone suggest a good remedy for itchy eczema for my 9 month old daughter?
I currently use Epaderm (prescribed by health visitor) and Fucidin if it gets infected. They don't help much though.
E45 is no good and Oilatum cream just seems to irritate it. She has Oilatum in the bath which helps her lower body but her shoulders and arms are really bad.
She constantly pulls at it and I'm having to keep her arms covered even in hot weather (when we have it!) so she doesn't scratch.

Please help my itchy little girl! :help:

Have they not advised any antihystamine for the itching?

No they've never mentioned them. She's only 9 months old though- isn't she too young?

I'm not sure I'm no Dr but there's no harm in asking, right?

The piriton is only suitable from 1 year but maybe the gp could prescribe it but even at 1 they can only have 2.5ml per day and it'll make her drowsy. we used to use the eumobase from boots £6.95 per tube but the doctor won't prescribe it they'll give you the aquious (sp) cream which for some reason doesn't work as well (don't confuse with eumobate this is for 6 years plus) we found the bath oilatum useless and the e45 bath really greasy and instead alternated between plain baths, with a touch of salt for infection as advised by gp and using pears soap on alternate days which is fantastic, luckily our little boy has now grown out of it but he was covered in it from 4 months (even on his face) hopefully this will be the case with your little girl also.

Sometime's its also worth asking the gp to review the cream as we used to have the diprobase which worked for a while then stopped after that we were prescribed the e45 which was great and you can apply it as often as you want I used to cover our little boy in it very often throughout the day. Hope this helps

You could always approach it holistically, see if it food connected (sometimes there can be a slight connection), perhaps use evening prirose oil and olive oil which are both excellent and safe.
Read all the bottle labels you have - most products contain stupid things like alcohol (which is a drying agent) including those special shampoo's you get.
The Little Me range at Boots is ok, they have a nice massage oil but a little evening primrose helps.
The doctor will avoid giving you steroid creams (which are the most effective) because they thin the skin, possibly irreparably.
Try a natural approach for a few weeks.
I think there's another thread on this, I'll see I can find it and merge for a wider range of advice.

Mrs Camrat phoned me at work yeasterday saying baby camrat (2 1/2 weeks old) had been throwing up a lot all day and when laid down was gagging and sounding like he was choking.

Cue mad dash home and trip to the docs who refered us to the Childrens Hospital. Could have been either reflux, or a more serious concern where they would have to operate. 3 Doctors and 5 hours later they decided it was probably reflux, but to keep an eye on him.

The problem is, he still isn't a very happy tot. Does anyone know any good ways of dealing with this condition. We have placed his moses basket at a raised angle, and the docs have given him infant Gaviscon, but he does continue to be sick, and its becoming very distressing for me and mrs Camrat who's with him all day! :(

I'm sorry to say that I have no great medical words for you, but I just wanted to sympathise with the dreadfully scary position you find yourselves and babyCamrat in.

You must be so stressed and worried for the little chap- thinking of you and crossed fingers that it all resolves properly soon.

What milk are you feeding him?

What milk are you feeding him?

That's what I thought..
A friend of ours little lad was the same..
Throwing up all the time and generally an unhappy little soul..
It turned out, he was allergic to the milk so they had to change to soya milk for him..

god, it's horrible not knowing what's wrong with your baby, isn't it? you sound like you're having a pretty difficult time with the breastfeeding, and now this. i'd love to offer my opinion, but as you've already seen lots of doctors and stuff i don't think you should be listening to much that we have to say when none of us have even seen babycamrat. however....my first thoughts were stomach bug, reflux, that problem that some babies have with the sphincter 9that'll be the one that would need operating).

keep us updated. the staff at teh children's hospital are fantastic (but make sure you ask properly (and keep asking) if there's something babycamrat needs that hasn't been delivered on time...they're pretty busy in there)

*hugs for you all*

Thanks for the words of support. He's on SMA Gold, but has been since he was 1 day old with no adverse effects.

The staff at the hospital was excellent, very busy, but made you feel like you were top priority.

Seems to have settled down a bit today, not been as sick, maybe the infant gavison is having effect and it was just reflux.

Just very stressful, and that coupled with mother camrat being in the Halamshire hospital after a number of falls I feel like I'm ready for the nut house!

*sends positive vibes the Camrat family's way*

*hugs* Camrat as nothing much else she can do to help really ...

Sending you all a big hug.

I can really sympathise with this, I had an extremely difficult time with breast feeding (still not sure if I've come to terms with not doing it I lasted 4 weeks) with no support from my midwife and/or health visitor (feeding for 16-20 hours a day, expressing never getting more than 1/2 an ounce the problems went on and on).

My little one used to projectile vomit frequently and sound like she was choking especially frightening in the middle of the night. I tried raising her moses basket didn't really work, so I bought an Amby baby hammock and never looked back. They are quite expensive but it was worth every penny, she never slept for more than two hours until one day at my friends she slept for four hours in a swinging chair, the more upright position really helped. Have a look on the Amby website. If I have any more babies they will be going straight in the hammock.

I hope this helps, I know every baby is different but this forum and it's members help/suggestions have really helped me, think I would be insane by now without it!!

I just googled it, it looks fantastic!

Sending you all a big hug.

I can really sympathise with this, I had an extremely difficult time with breast feeding (still not sure if I've come to terms with not doing it I lasted 4 weeks) with no support from my midwife and/or health visitor (feeding for 16-20 hours a day, expressing never getting more than 1/2 an ounce the problems went on and on).

My little one used to projectile vomit frequently and sound like she was choking especially frightening in the middle of the night. I tried raising her moses basket didn't really work, so I bought an Amby baby hammock and never looked back. They are quite expensive but it was worth every penny, she never slept for more than two hours until one day at my friends she slept for four hours in a swinging chair, the more upright position really helped. Have a look on the Amby website. If I have any more babies they will be going straight in the hammock.

I hope this helps, I know every baby is different but this forum and it's members help/suggestions have really helped me, think I would be insane by now without it!!

just on a serious note - babies don't develop the muscles (or indeed the reflex itself) to keep their heads straight enough to keep their airway properly open in upright positions until they're a month or two old (actually, i think there may have been a mention of this in the metro some time this week - carseats), so swinging seats aren't a great idea until 4-6 weeks.

HUUUGE hugs, camrat. I know you feel like it's all getting on top of you and you'll never get through it all, but you will, hun, I promise. You'll cope and survive and soon it'll all be a bad memory.

Look after babycamrat and Mrs camrat, but don't forget to look after yourself, too - they need you well, so you're gonna have to.

I really can't help with the reflux thing except that I am sending happy thoughts and positive stuff and big hugs in your direction. Keep us updated, and take care.

XXX

if it is reflux gaviscon does help but my son has it bad so also takes medication for it, originally cisipride and now domperidone which works great but hes now 3 1/2. he is always better being more upright. when he was litte i bought a carrycot that had a adjustable tilting base which helpped at night

Just on a serious note - babies don't develop the muscles (or indeed the reflex itself) to keep their heads straight enough to keep their airway properly open in upright positions until they're a month or two old (actually, i think there may have been a mention of this in the metro some time this week - carseats), so swinging seats aren't a great idea until 4-6 weeks.

She was about four weeks when she slept in the chair for one afternoon if you have seen or used the fisher price one it is not a fully upright chair, they are still in a laid back position, just not fully flat.

I ordererd the hammock imediately and it came within two days. The baby hammocks have won numerous awards and have been used for special care babies all over the world as they mimmick the womb. Babies are not flat in the womb, so some have difficulty laying flat and respond better to being cocooned in a hammock.

The difficult part with hammocks is the transition from hammock to cot as my little one was so used to bouncing herself she kept on trying to bounce herself in her cot!! Thankfully she has realised that she can't do that any more!!

Thanks for the words of support. He's on SMA Gold, but has been since he was 1 day old with no adverse effects.

The staff at the hospital was excellent, very busy, but made you feel like you were top priority.

Seems to have settled down a bit today, not been as sick, maybe the infant gavison is having effect and it was just reflux.

Just very stressful, and that coupled with mother camrat being in the Halamshire hospital after a number of falls I feel like I'm ready for the nut house!

*hugs* to little Camrat! How is he doing today? Hope he's getting better. Isn't it stressful at times this parenting lark?

She was about four weeks when she slept in the chair for one afternoon if you have seen or used the fisher price one it is not a fully upright chair, they are still in a laid back position, just not fully flat.

I ordererd the hammock imediately and it came within two days. The baby hammocks have won numerous awards and have been used for special care babies all over the world as they mimmick the womb. Babies are not flat in the womb, so some have difficulty laying flat and respond better to being cocooned in a hammock.

The difficult part with hammocks is the transition from hammock to cot as my little one was so used to bouncing herself she kept on trying to bounce herself in her cot!! Thankfully she has realised that she can't do that any more!!

No, babies are not flat in the womb - but they also don't have to worry about keeping their airway open. I'd certainly agree that babies like to be cocooned nice and tightly...which you're not supposed to do (but a lot of people pretty much have no choice if they want anything approaching an enjoyable life) either...

((Hi))

I am quite knew here but I just wanted to say that my daughter, now 9 months had reflux. It didn't seem to cause her any pain she just always puked half her bottle back up. I constantly smelled of sick in the 1st few months to the point when I worryingly became immuse to the smell.

I didn't use any mediaction as the dr advised to probably leave it if she didn't appear to be in distress. My sister did with her l/o though (gavison & I think something else) & she found it really good. I didn't have any problems when she was laid down so I am not sure about the sleeping. With my l/o is was as soon as you picked her up. It seemed to literally bring everything back up.

I can't really offer much advise except to say it does pass by i think 6ish months. I think as you introduce more solids it helps keep stuff down & also the reflux thing starts to close as they get older. Not much help now I know but just wanted to offer a bit of light at the end of the tunnel.

Also never beat yourselves up about b/f. My mw always told me a happy mum is much more impartant to a baby than anything else (breast milk included).

Good luck with it.

Lisa xx

Big hugs to you all xxx
I just wanted to add I have a stapping 18 year old who had reflux when he was a baby. He had to have a tiny operation but if you could see him now. Never had any problems since and eats me out of house and home!

He seems to be a litle better, so it does look like the medicine is working. The only thing now is that it appears to be making his poo more harder!

It's such an emotional rollercoaster, one minute things are great and he's sleeping for 5 hours, the next he's not slept since 6am and now its 10pm lol

He seems to be a litle better, so it does look like the medicine is working. The only thing now is that it appears to be making his poo more harder!

It's such an emotional rollercoaster, one minute things are great and he's sleeping for 5 hours, the next he's not slept since 6am and now its 10pm lol

Hi Camrat,

My little one also suffered with reflux, it occured at round about the same age as your baby to, the childrens also thought that she might need an operation as you mentioned in your first post.

As for his poo being hard, thats the gaviscon theres something in it that can make them constipated, my GP also perscriped lactalose for my daughter to try and help, it works abit like a laxative (but its not) and helps to make poo abit softer, however we found that this gave her a belly ache, so in the end (with GPs help) we very gradually reduced the dose of gaviscon until we had got the right ballance, and by the time she was about 3mths she was fine.

Hope this helps xxx

My middle child was always throwing up and he was breast fed. He was a poor sucker and gulped in a lot of air. I found fennel tea helpful. My GP recommended it. just a teaspoon of cool tea (blood temp) can help. But tey do grow out of it.

Hi Camrat,

My little one also suffered with reflux, it occured at round about the same age as your baby to, the childrens also thought that she might need an operation as you mentioned in your first post.

As for his poo being hard, thats the gaviscon theres something in it that can make them constipated, my GP also perscriped lactalose for my daughter to try and help, it works abit like a laxative (but its not) and helps to make poo abit softer, however we found that this gave her a belly ache, so in the end (with GPs help) we very gradually reduced the dose of gaviscon until we had got the right ballance, and by the time she was about 3mths she was fine.

Hope this helps xxx

Thank goodness it isn't only me whos going/gone through this. Sometimes you do feel like the only one!

He started 2 days ago (1st day of school holidays - typical) and seemed OK, just blobby. Now has 200+ pox, many of which in areas a youny boy just doens't want them (!). He's really upset at the sight of them, is sad & lethargic, and has lost his appetite. Also extremely bored as we can't go anywhere - what a nightmare. Just waiting for my younger son to get it next!:( I always thought chickenpox was a mild sort of illness, but this is terrible...

he'll be okay, just keep him dosed up with calpol. It won't last long

Chickenpox is rarely dangerous, but as well to keep an eye on it - my friend's baby would have died if she hadn't taken her in to hospital as it went on her internal organs.

When my son had it we found it helped to put oatmeal in a sock, held under the tap when running his bath, and to blot the spots with the creamy liquid which came from the oatmeal, this helped the itchiness. I also put Roman Chamomile in the bag, and gave him Rhus Tox which is the homeopathic remedy for chickenpox.

Hope some of this helps, and he gets better soon.

Well, rest easy in that at least he will have had it young and therefore can avoid all the vile complications it can have for adults and that when he's crusty he can go out and have fun again cos he'll be past the contagion stage.
If your younger son does get it - probably best to have it all done with in one go whilst you have all the remedies in the house, neither will miss any long amounts of school and will run a lesser risk of infecting their peers.

It's hard to look on the bright side but I reckon they are the positive sides.
I had a pox scar on my cheek which has made for some weird and wonderful stories to entertain over the years, tell him to start imagining what stories he can make up if he gets any scars.
I once told a child that the smallest shark in the world bit my cheek :D

yes agree with zebra, its best to get them young, my eldest had them at 18 month covered from scalp to toes (even had a few on inside of eyelids) but lashings of calomile, and copol should do trick, may be unwell for a day or two, but dont worry to much.

awwww i really feel for him...:(

my little boy had them when he was 3 and he had them really bad,he had them in his mouth,eye lids,ears and everywhere.
he was so poorly when he had them but my little girl was 7 months old when she had them and hers werent bad at all.

stock up on calamine lotion..lol..:hihi:

anyone got any ideas on stopping little kids scratching? my 2yr old has come out in loads of spots today, which im assuming is chickenpox.. shes not in the slightest bit bothered about the ones on her her body yet.. but keeps scratching her face.. dont want them to scar and some are way too close to her eyes to put owt on em..

....i've asked her not to scratch, and put her to bed in a babygro to make sure she doesnt scratch her bod.. but when shes told not to do it she informs me (usually quite abrubtly) that shes just rubbing them.. will that do as much damage as scratching?

anyone got any ideas on stopping little kids scratching? my 2yr old has come out in loads of spots today, which im assuming is chickenpox.. shes not in the slightest bit bothered about the ones on her her body yet.. but keeps scratching her face.. dont want them to scar and some are way too close to her eyes to put owt on em.. .

Socks! I put really soft socks on his hands and kept them there with a soft hair tie. :D

He rubbed his spots but couldnt scratch them

see your gp, they can give you loads of different creams before resorting to steroids (we've tried pretty much all of them)... my little'un grew out of it by about 18 months but we found that when it was really bad, we only used steroid creams for a couple of days.. diprobase applied 6-8 times a day (at nappy changes) all over the body and covered with a white bandage suit thingy, and epaderm at night, again kept covered with white thingy.. cleared it up really well.. since that shes only had tiny bits of dryness in the past year..if it gets quite bad it might be worth asking the doc to refer you to the exzema place in the childrens hosp.. we were never referred there by the gp, but when she was in for allergy testing they took her straight down there and got it all sorted out..


....ma mum's blokey's grandaughter tried everything going though, all the creams and treatments available, and even some 'experimental' ones they werent sure about.. nothing worked and her skin was terrible.. think she has pretty much grown out of it now thankfully (unfortunately its taken till shes 5) ...i think it does depend the child as to what works for them

I'm uncertain about this, but does it help to use an antihistamine? Check it out, anyway. There's another thread on here, have a look.

Piriton and bicarbonate of soda here: http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=203326&highlight=chicken+pox

Some very sensible points made here I think. The media has a lot to answer for. I get tired of them quoting research out of context, or quoting crap research because it makes a good story, because lots of people actually then think its true-aargh! As cosywolf says, read the research, or if you dont feel confident doing so (it can be heavy going) get someone qualified (and objective) whom you trust to read it for you.....

It certainly does help to use an anti-histamine, Piriton syrup is good for younger children. The rubbing will do just as much damage if it knocks the tops off the blisters. My 8 year old had a dreadful dose of chicken pox at 3 months, and the back of his head is covered in scar marks, where he rubbed the blister tops off.

Good Luck

Vanessa

Coincidentally a very similar thread with some interesting points on:

http://www.hitched.co.uk/sbforum/topic.asp?topic_id=928883

thanks. we went to the docs yesterday and she said just calpol and that it doesnt really matter if she scratches as shes a bit young for it to scar.. im not sure about that! went into the chemists and they told me to get piriton... dunno if its helped the itching.. she just says it hurts. but its sure as hell knocked her out! didnt believe her when she dragged her duvet into the living room n said she was going to sleep on it... yet, she is indeed asleep on her duvet in the living room! lol.

Hi

This clinic will give single MMR shots - Wellcare, 08700 10 56 56, nearest place to us is Nottingham.

Has anyone else used this? Tried it for the last day, and it seems to have an amazing effect. Babycamrat can be crying not wanting to settle, then one spoon of this stuff and he settles down and falls asleep.

Its very good yea but personally prefered infacol. If it works don't change it :)

I thought infacol was a little thick, and was worried it was going to stick in his throat.

If you give it before feeding they'll suck it out of the pipette before you have chance to squeeze it!

Infacol is safe from birth and is water based so will dilute with saliva rather than stick in the throat.

If you have any Infacol questions, feel free to ask me- after all, I was the Infacol and Sudocrem rep for South Yorkshire for 8 years!

Ooh, Thats good to know Meds!

Yeah, definatley something to remember there medusa!

Can I ask then whats the difference between infacol and gripe water please?
When my children were small we only had gripe water. I think infacol was just coming out onto the market. But now with my grand daughter the health visitor suggested infacol.
Thanks

The active ingredient in Infacol is a water based silicon surfactant which coalesces the small bubbles in the milk as the baby drinks into a couple of really big bubbles which then are easy to burp up. This prevents the little bubbles getting transported through the baby's gut and getting trapped- this is thought to be the major cause of infant colic.

Until a few years ago gripe water contained alcohol as well as the fennel and other herbs, and it worked partly through the herbs calming the gut, and partly by getting the baby a wee bit tipsy.

There's now no alcohol in gripe waters, and the herbs generally are fennel, dill and sometimes peppermint, which all are used as digestif preparations to calm upset stomachs.

Has anyone else used this? Tried it for the last day, and it seems to have an amazing effect. Babycamrat can be crying not wanting to settle, then one spoon of this stuff and he settles down and falls asleep.

Hi

Infocol can be used from birth but Gripe Water 8 weeks - I used both as lo had bad colic.

If it works your not doing any harm however if lo is struggling have you tried the anti colic bottles - did no good for me just used infocal before the feed and gripe water after.

Mega widny baby lol:D

Yeah, using anti colic bottles, just not sure what effect they are having (if any). He does seems to be getting better at bringing his wind up on his own, but the gripe water does help if he stuggles.

I think for tummy ache i gave my son sugar water. My partners nan told me thats what they used in the day before all these chemicals where around. (as she would of said).
It worked wounders and i never really had the need for medicians for wind and tummy che when i used that.Just warm water and a pinch of sugar. x

just heard about 5 confirmed and 15+ probable cases in Sheffield area (from 3 sources apparently) , does anyone know what schools nurserys were the source

our 2 year old had MMR but goes to nursery and may have bought it back for our 3 month but cant seem to get any clear info as to what we can do :(

Ring your doctor - as all Sheffield doctors have been given information about the outbreak.

Gripe water is my saviour lol. My baby boy was terrible for bringing up wind at first and this solved that problem easily! Its also really cheap. I had to use infacol for the first 4 weeks but that didnt really help although he loved the taste!

Now that he can sit up straight with support he brings it up on his own. :)

From what I've read it's only children that haven't vaccinated that are/have been affected?

My little one is staying inside, well away from cousins, friends etc...only another 3mths and she can have the jab.

I would recommend both tbh but much to my disappointment I found the other day that gripe water can only be used for 14 days once opened, really good if you have colicy baby but just an occasional bit of trapped wind and you'll be ankrupt before ya know it.

We are still using the same bottle of infracol since Lulu was born (9mths ago) and no worries, also tastes very nice for mummy & daddy too, just remember to wash the pipette out if you really have to taste it :hihi:

I think for tummy ache i gave my son sugar water. My partners nan told me thats what they used in the day before all these chemicals where around. (as she would of said).
It worked wounders and i never really had the need for medicians for wind and tummy che when i used that.Just warm water and a pinch of sugar. x

Its a very old fashioned remedy for constipation in babies, I used it on all my 3 whenever they were constipated, works like a dream.
The old ones are always the best!!

my grans old fashioned remedy for wind she said when my dad was little was a lump of coal dropped in hot water and then the coal was taken out, the water allowed to cool and then it was given to the baby.
Dont know what exactly it did tho!!!!

We were changing Alfie's nappy on saturday and noticed a huge hard bulge above his manhood. We rushed to the childrens, and it turns out he's got a hernia.

Aparently its quite common in boys, its where the balls have decended from when he was in the womb, but it hasn't closed off properly by itself, so its become a hernia.

I'm just worried because he's got to be put to sleep, and he's so small. it'll need to be done within the next 2 weeks. :(

My nephew had two hernia's one at his belly button and one in his groin. The left the one at his belly but operated on the one in his groin, he was very tiny when this was done (only about 10 weeks) he had this done earlier this year and he's fine now.

He didn't have any problems with the anhistetic (sp?) it'll be much more traumatic for you than for him.

Sorry to hear about it though, you must have been really scared.

xx

Aw, Jen - it's not going smoothly for you guys, is it? He'll be fine, it's a minor operation, but I know the anasthetic is worrying - but it's not like he's a 20 stone man in his 60s with heart problems, he's a healthy and strong little boy, so there's no reason whatsoever to think that he'll be anything other than absolutely fine. As Anniec says, it's much worse for you than it is for him. Be warned - he'll not like it much when they have to put a needle into his hand, but again - it's worse for you than for him, and he'll be much happier if you're there with him for as long as you can be (I presume you won't be allowed in to theatre with him).

*hugs for you all* (again):)
It'll be fine!

aww my nephew had this done when he was about 8 weeks, its soo scary, his mum was terrified but he was fine with it all, with no problems. The staff at the childrens hossie are lovely and will understand your worries. Good luck to you all

Big hugs, Jen. Everything will be fine. xxx

Logged in as cryinglion (I've forgotten my password) - I'm the other half (aka fragrantlion).

Sorry to hear about Alfie's problem. Hernias are a fairly common condition with wee boys. This is a common operation for paediatric surgeons and does not take very long. However, like all operations there is always a small risk from surgery and anaesthesia. The risks are very small and you will be dealing with people who have masses of experience of such small children.

From a personal experience my brother had this operation 3 times as a wee boy. I wish you all the best.

ps Cryinglion will reply to the wedding post but I think you should all go (we have done it on several occasions without any bother)

Bails had to have an emergency hernia op at 5 weeks, he was blue lighted from doncaster to sheffield where he was opperatd on immediately, it still makes me cry to this day. Hospital staff at the childrens were amazing, can't praise them enough

Really sorry to hear this and I'm sending lots of love. Apparently this happened to me when I was only 6 weeks old.

As said before, it's gonna be harder for you than it is the little one! It's such a worrying time when your children have to have ops, but it really is a simple procedure these days, so try not to worry. My thoughts are with you Jen.

Lots of love

Shell xx

It was really tough yesterday..... we had to hand him to a nurse before he went into theatre to be given gas, and walk away - he was watching us and was obviously wondering what was going on.

When we were called to recovery he was all dopey and drooling and not responding like he normally would if he was just asleep. It was really heart breaking.

But he's much better now. He's feeding well and producing stinky nappies and was even giggling yesterday when we got home. The scar in only a centimeter long and was glued not stiched. so he's all better but still a bit sore so we've got some calpol to give him.

Awwww I'm gald he's ok hun. Told you he would be in safe hands! Still it's very traumatic for us as parents, I remember when Jess had meningitis and she had to have the lumber (sp?) puncture. It was heartbreaking hearing her scream as we weren't allowed in the room while she was having it.
Really glad he's better! xxx

So glad to hear he's doing ok! In a few weeks you won't even be able to see what he's had done

Glad it's all over, Jen, and the little one is fine. xxx

thanks everyone x x x

Hi, saw your post - my boy (now a lively happy almost-three year old) has had two open heart surgeries, it has been incredibly hairy and I think that first 'oh my god I cant believe there's something wrong' is the worst bit, but honestly I am sure your baby will be fine and just know you're not the only one, we do get through and life goes on.

All best wishes
Surya

From what I've read it's only children that haven't vaccinated that are/have been affected?

My little one is staying inside, well away from cousins, friends etc...only another 3mths and she can have the jab.

I know what you mean RICON - my youngest had her jab last Monday. It's a scary time!

The nursery nurse based at my Doctors surgery came out to see me today and she mentioned that there's been quite a few cases of measles and one in my local area. Little one hasn't had his jab yet, but i'm taking him on Friday.

Fortunately we've not really been anywhere so he's not mixed with people for quite a few weeks.

we had a chat with our nursery (Little Angels in S8 ) and they said that there ws no problem in our part of Sheffield as far as they were aware - but it does seem hard to get good up to date information

It was really tough yesterday..... we had to hand him to a nurse before he went into theatre to be given gas, and walk away - he was watching us and was obviously wondering what was going on.

When we were called to recovery he was all dopey and drooling and not responding like he normally would if he was just asleep. It was really heart breaking.

But he's much better now. He's feeding well and producing stinky nappies and was even giggling yesterday when we got home. The scar in only a centimeter long and was glued not stiched. so he's all better but still a bit sore so we've got some calpol to give him.

How is Alfie doing now Jen? Hope everything is continuing to go well!

glad he is feeling better jen!!

Hi, saw your post - my boy (now a lively happy almost-three year old) has had two open heart surgeries, it has been incredibly hairy and I think that first 'oh my god I cant believe there's something wrong' is the worst bit, but honestly I am sure your baby will be fine and just know you're not the only one, we do get through and life goes on.

All best wishes
Surya

Gosh thats must have been so hard to get through suramonro.
Just shows that our little treasures are much tougher than we give them credit for:)

How is Alfie doing now Jen? Hope everything is continuing to go well!

Yeah, he's doing great thanks, just been weighed today and he's gained 12oz in a week:o - I thought he was having a growth spurt as I've been a constant milking machine for the last week - greedy little boy!:P

Edited ....... I thought he was having a growth spurt as I've been a constant milking machine for the last week - greedy little boy!:PYou little superstar!

I must have missed the birth annoucement :huh: - fantastic news, love the name too. Well done and congratulations. Glad he's pulling through the op. Am sure there are things that can be done for him to detox from the anaesthetic ... not sure what though :confused:

:clap:

Baby Camrat is being bottle fed and being only 7 weeks old am using slow flow teats. The thing is he seems to be taking more wind than usual. Can having a teat that is too slow cause him to take more wind? And if so do we go to medium flow even though the brand says to do it at 3 months?

If I were you I'd try the next size teat - you're going to need some sooner or later anyway. If baby Camrat is a hungry baby he might be growing faster than average, too. Besides, what the worst that can happen with a bigger teat? A few coughs and splutters, and more dribbles than before while he learns to not suck quite so hard.

This might be a stupid question, but you do make sure the bottle is upright enough that he doesn't just get glugs of air, don't you? Sorry, just thought I'd check.

Also to add to what babychickens has said, do you let air into the bottle ??

When baby camrat sucks milk out, you will need to keep letting air into the bottle so not to create a vacuum..

If he's sucking like mad, and nothing is coming out, he will get wind..

Just taking the bottle out of his mouth or tilting it to one side every now and then sorts it out..:)

My little boy is due to start school in about 2 weeks, and he still hasn't been called for his pre-school immunisation. I called the Health Visitor, who said I should just ring the doctor's and make an appointment for it, but the doctor's wouldn't give him the jabs until they'd received his name on a list from the immunisation reminder people (?) or whoever. Now can't get hold of a Health Visitor (have left 2 messages but no one calls back. :mad:

Do kids need to have these booster jabs BEFORE starting school, or just sometime soon after? :help:

We always try to make sure that the teat is full so he's only taking milk. Also am using the anti colic bottles with a valve in to let air through so it doesn't crete a vacuum.

OK, just got hold of a health visitor (finally), and kids DO have to have the jabs before they start school. Good job we checked then, as we didn't get a reminder or anything....

Thanks for letting us know...I'm guessing quite a few people didn't know, by the lack of response.

I would have guessed it wasn't too big a deal as long as they got the jabs sometime after starting - so one for me to remember in a couple of years.

:thumbsup:

Give the next size teats a go and if there isn't any improvement, there's always the infacol or denitox, both of which can be used from birth if I remember correctly. My second baby was quite windy and I used infacol and it helped her no end.

Anybody used this with their babies in sheffield? Any suggestions where? I had a long & difficult labour & baby got her head wedged. She cries a lot & doesnt seem settled so I thought this may be worth a try as I have heard good reports.....

My osteopath is a specialist in neonatal osteopathy (both cranial and spinal). She has a clinic at the Children's Hospital as well as treating both adults and children at the Lodge House on Howard Road, Walkley (2345459) and the Stillpoint Practice, Montgomery Road (2586133). Her name's Lisa Halse and she's treated my spine for the last 15 years.

Hi,

we went to see Chris Johnson here with ds and it was fab:

http://www.theosteopathicpractice.com/Welcome-1.asp

I would also recommend Lisa Halse - I took my baby to her for cranial osteopathy because his head got stuck during my labour and he was a very unsettled baby. He really calmed down during every session with Lisa.

Thanks for the suggestions peeps :) Longshanks, it sounds like you had exactly the same situation. Glad it worked for you. Hope we have the same success

It is being urged that people immunise their children as Measles is on the rise

Article here (http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=6000875)

Did anyone believe the doctor who claimed that the MMR jab caused Autism and or Bowel disease and didnt have your children vaccinated?

The scare story was always a dope's charter.
The MMR jab was used for years and kept us all safe until some nutter came out with that tripe.
Now we are having a measles problem. Shock, horror, surprise . :rolleyes:

Exactly, ONE doctor said it dangerous and now kids are suffering for their parents numptyness

Exactly, ONE doctor said it dangerous and now kids are suffering for their parents numptyness

Parents that havne't had their kids vaccinated aren't numpties, they are misled and misinformed at worst. The whole thing HAS been blown out of proportion, there's no doubt about that, but that's easy to see with hindsight. Autism can be incredibly difficult to live with...some parents clearly decided thatt with the information available, they'd rather risk measles, mumps and/or rubella than risk autism. As it turns out, there is a link between vaccines and autism, but it isn't specific to MMR, and is caused by a preservative called thimerosal (sp?) which contains mercury and was used in US produced vaccines (never licensed in the UK), and is no-longer used.

I recently had babybaby MMR'd, but only after a significant amount of thought - I didn't manage to find the hours and days and weeks of time that I had hoped for in order to thoroughly research the medical literature myself. If I could have found a doctor to do single jabs I would have happily paid for them. You have to remember that government recommendations on vaccination schemes are based on economics (with maybe a small interest in human needs) - it is more expensive to treat measles, mumps and rubella epidemics than it is to offer minimal support to the families of autistic children. Consequently, even if autism had been shown to be triggered by MMR, vaccination would probably be encouraged by the government. As it happens, there is no reliable peer reviewed evidence (that I managed to find) to suggest any causative link between MMR and autism. In a way I can't help but think that blame should be given to a combination of the media (journalists trying to interpret scientific/medical language that they're often not used to) and the way that medics do research (seriously, scientists spend years learning to do research professionally...medics train as medics, not as professional researchers) - the combination of inappropriately designed, medic-led research and hyperactive journalists hasn't done the MMR vaccination schedule any favours at all.

(To anyone that can't be bothered to read the above - MMR does NOT cause autism as far as anyone has been able to tell so far).

I've had my older 2 mmr'd up, i dont believe the 'hype' about what it causes and even if it were true I'd rather my kids were autisic than suffer the effects of measles, one of which is the fatality of it!

The scare story was always a dope's charter.
The MMR jab was used for years and kept us all safe until some nutter came out with that tripe.
Now we are having a measles problem. Shock, horror, surprise . :rolleyes:

Absolutely Correct !:roll:
The scary thing is that the parents that don't immunise are putting their kids at a very potential dangerous risk !:mad:

BabyBonny is due to have his MMR in about three weeks and to be honest, i'll be relieved to have it over and done with. The nursery nurse at the GP surgery told me a few weeks ago that there's been a few cases of measles and I don't want to risk him getting it.

I think maybe because of the reduction in the cases of measles, many people don't realise how serious it can be, and as another poster has said, it can be deadly. Surely the risks associated with having measles are more likely and significant than any unsubstantiated risks of having the MMR.

My son had his MMR when he was called for it.
A couple of months later the nurse rang and said that he hadn't had his MMR and that there was an outbreak of measles.
I said that i was sure he'd had it but she fobbed me off saying i was confused as they have that many injections.
I was convinced he'd had it but it wasn't ticked in his baby book. I spoke to family and friends to see if they had remembered me talking about him having the jab.
I did go once thinking he was going to have it but he had a different one instead but still thought he'd been back for his MMR.
She booked him in the day after the phone call.
I went along confused because i was so sure he had but she had made me doubt myself.
We went in the room and she had the injection out ready!
As soon as i walked in i said i'm positive hes had it. She just talked over me and asked for his red book.
And it turned out he HAD had it!!!!
Do you think i should make a complaint? Would it have harmed him to have 2 in the space of 3 months?

The scare story was always a dope's charter.
The MMR jab was used for years and kept us all safe until some nutter came out with that tripe.
Now we are having a measles problem. Shock, horror, surprise . :rolleyes:

I don't want to get in to an argument about MMR - however having witnessed autism in various forms I wouldn't want a kid of mine to suffer from it.

If parents don't want the MMR, they can get the separate jabs. You ahve to pay for the privelege, but it can be done.

The lack of take up of the 'triple' isgoing to have caused a reduction in the community immunity against all these illnesses, as well as the individual kids getting the conditions.

However, if, as HMG repeatedly keeps telling us, there is choice in the NHS - why doesn't that choice extend to alternative vaccinations that would be as effective and would remove the problem.

HOWEVER - the lack of take up isn't just with regard to MMR - there has, I believe, been a lack of vaccination take up with other forms of vaccination as well. I think it's more likely to be as much due to parents feeling that illnesses like diptheria and whooping cough are no longer problems.

There's research been done in to a 5 in 1 vaccine - I expect this will also get resistance when it's introduced.

And before anyone asks - I was vaccinated againt measles as a kid and got measles a few weeks later. :) My eyesight was damaged, so I know the risks.

Babychickens, JoeP - excellent, considered, rounded posts. If people are going to start pointing fingers, it should be at the government, not at parents. If they had discussed openly parents' fears about MMR, instead of the blanket 'MMR is great' propoganda they bombarded them with, then many more parents would have probably decided to go ahead with MMR for their children.

Is there some sort of stomach bug doing the rounds? Babybell & her cousin came home from nursery early on Thursday as they were both sick.

I thought the little one was okay but she was sick all down me earlier, straight down my front, went inside my top & everything yuk! She is in bed now & touch wood has been okay since.

DD1 has just projectiled all over the living room with no warning at all. It went all over her sister to so she was running round screaming. All sorted now & they are tucked up in bed but it looks like we are in for some fun tonight. What a way to spend a Saturday night. Whatever it is its seems to be very contagious so the other two will probably get it too.

Is anyone else in the same boat?

Lisa xx

No, not in the same boat, thank god. And I dearly hope there's nothing going round.

Good luck, though. Hope it passes quickly.

Laura

My son got this bug last sunday,he was sick loads of times sunday afternoon,he was ok mon just a bit weak.I woke up at 4am on tuesday and was sick every half hour or so until 2.30.I still felt sick for the rest of the day but I slept most of it.The next day I ached all over and still felt tired.Everytime I sneezed or coughed my back and sides were in agony .Then both my hubby and daughter got it on wednesday and hubby had it really bad too like me.He still has a bad back from it.He also had diarrohea with it.
Hope your children soon feel better and hope you dont get it esp if it's the same bug we had here.good luck.xx

Oh dear wish I didn't know it was doing the rounds.

Being Babybells auntie and having a daughter thats just getting over it (touch wood) I though I would get away with 24 hours sicknesses looks like to worse is yet to come.

Agree that puked this morning and been in bed all day husband not happy as I made hime stay in this afternoon and not go out to watch football.

Hope your all well soon - back to bed for me now I have watched x factor and casualty.

:help:

Whisper - it sounds like the same thing. Babybell seems okay today but have got 2 others off school like dying ducks. My mum & brother in law have both woke up with it today & dh said he felt a bit ropy. It seems a really nasty strain that hangs about for a few days.

It also seems highly contagious. Have been going mad with the Dettox spraying everything that we all touch, door handles, light switches etc but it hasn't helped.

Had planned a nice day at Wentworth but looks like I am stuck in again.

Fully blame Skippy06 (my sis) for this outbreak as her l/o had it first. Am so jealous she has still gone on the planned outing but being the lovely sis she is has offered to have babybell later in the week if I end up with it.

I hope you are all feeling better whisper & that no one else gets it.

Lisa xx

Son 1 has had a problem with his right ear from birth meaning that for certain frequencies he needs them to be about 80dB before he can hear them (normal hearing is 20dB apparently). We were offered a hearing aid 2 years ago but as he seemed to be compensating really well with his good ear we deferred. I noticed over the summer that he seemed to be struggling more and asked if he was - he said yes - so we went for a reassessment of his current hearing last week. Although his right ear is no worse, his baseline hearing in his left (good) ear has got worse so he can now only hear 30-40dB.

So we have decided that it is worth trying hearing aids with him. Has anyone here got children that have hearing aids? If so do they get a lot of stick at school (hes 7)? Is there anything I should be aware of? We get them in a week and a half and Im more worried than he is - hes been telling everyone hes going to be getting bionic ears:hihi:

Just seen the thread and wondered if there was a bug going round.

I have big kids and little kids here dropping like flies. My 16 yr old has been really ill with it, with a temperature and really bad headaches.

im needing help on finding out what kind of stuff he can eat any help would be bril as nobody has directed us or helped us thank you

Hi there I'm lactose intolerant. I only found out a couple of months ago and it's been a nightmare to be honest. The Dr hasn't been any help and I think you need to feel it out yourself. It'll be harder finding things for a little one though as there is so much that they can't have anyway.

Sorry I can't offer any further assistance but good luck!

http://www.lactose.co.uk/intolerance/index.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/ask_the_doctor/milkintolerance.shtml

I hope these help. Couldn't find a diet list, but there may be a link amongst these...you should also be able to get one from your health visitor

My little boy was lactose intollerant for a few months after an extremely rare stomach bug. Had to cut out all dairy products completely and substitute cows milk with soya milk. He didnt seem to notice difference.

im needing help on finding out what kind of stuff he can eat any help would be bril as nobody has directed us or helped us thank you

Have you tryed a health food shop, the one on Middlewood Rd is very good, they do alsorts of thing that are lactose free, Yogurts, Cheese, Rice Milk and if your after a few teats Biscuits, Crips and Icecream.

Baby is on his third cold in his 6 months of life...cue sleepless miserable nights where he wakes up every hour crying. Unfortunately he still only falls asleep if breastfeeding and due to his blocked nose, he can't breastfeed at the moment. Nightmare! Managed to rock him to sleep tonight but it was really difficult to put him down into his cot, everytime I put him down he woke and started crying.

Anyone got any tips on helping ease a blocked nose, he's got baby vapor rub on his chest and I've even put some olbas oil on a tissue (out of his reach)?

It helped monsterbaby when I put a couple of drops of saline solution in his nose (you can get it from the pharmacy).

Also, steam is very good, just make sure that you lo is not getting too hot. Fill the bath with hot water and sit in the bathroom for a while (about ten minutes).
Do not put anything in the water though as it can cause breathing difficulties in lo's.

You can also try whether the inhaling works when you put a heaped teaspoon of salt to one litre of water. Just adjust it to a bigger quantity.

A steamer for the room worked quite well as well as having monsterbabies mattress raised at the head.

Monsterbaby only falls asleep when feeding too so I can understand that you find it difficult and hope that your lo is getting through it quickly, look at the positive: The more colds she gets now the better her immune system will be.

I agree with monstermummy...raise the head of his mattress a bit, and invest in a room humidifier/steamer. You can pop baby olbas in the humidifier which helps a lot. I used ours loads as cosycub had a long period of coughs and colds. I got our humidifier from Argos - if I remember the people at Boots very oddly had no idea what I was talking about.

Good luck!

... cosycub ...

Off topic, sorry ... But PLEASE tell me you call your little one Cozycub in real life too ... twould just really be beyond cuteness! :love:

ps Back on topic ... Nirvanaliz, hope little baba gets better soon (-:

Off topic, sorry ... But PLEASE tell me you call your little one Cozycub in real life too ... twould just really be beyond cuteness! :love:

ps Back on topic ... Nirvanaliz, hope little baba gets better soon (-:

Lol, purple frog...he is indeed just that: my cosycub. Glad you like it :)
PS, any name with frog in it makes me smile, but purple frog is exemplary!

Many thanks for the ideas, a humidifier sounds like a good investment if he's going to carry on getting colds this often. One good thing is that this time he's eating solids so even though he can't breastfeed at the mo' he's still eating his grub as well as his vitamin drops - I've noticed a big difference from when he had a cold and he was solely breastfed, he seems to be fighting the cold much better. Must be all those fruit and veg purees I'm stuffing down him...

Thanks for the well wishes! He's asleep now with the cot head raised. He managed a little breastfeed which was just enough to knock him out - woo hoo, comfy armchair and telly here I come.

Hi
I did a thread on here last week saying thank you, to some people for there help with getting things for our twins that were born 15 weeks early. The doctors have now said, that when ( if ) they come home. They might be a chance they will come home on oxygen. The thought of that scares me stiff, they have said we will get help. But as anyone gone though this, that has got some advice for us ?
Thanks Rose.

Sorry I can't offer any advice as I've had no experience of your situation.
However, as a twin mum I can only offer you a virtual hug via the 'net and my heartfelt wishes that all is well.
If I can help, let me know :)

Hi hun i just want to offer all of you all the best, and hope all goes well. chic x

I can't help, either, but I do wish you all the best. xxxx

I cant help much in the way of oxygen I'm afraid, although i do know children on it. I'm also not sure what happens in regards to preemies, but maybe ryegate will get involved, has anyone mentioned them? My son was in hospital after a serious illness and came home on a feeding tube and overnight feeding pump. I was put in touch with a 'home nurse' who I had a contact phone number for at all times, she came to see me every week and would come and replace his tube whenever he pulled it out (frequently!) until I learned to do it myself. He also needed regular nasal and throat suctioning, I had a machine delivered and again was taught how to use that.
Basically the only thing I can really say is that if your little miracles do have to have home oxygen, you will be taught exaclty how to use any equipment needed, what seems utterly terrifying at first will soon become second nature and you will find yourself laughing everytime someone tells you how 'brave' you are being. You will be given a contact number to deal with any problems, even if its just the hossie phone number and someone advising you over the phone but I'm willing to bet there will be a lot more support in place for you.
Good luck and dont let these worries mar any joy when your little ones come home, I promise everything will be easier than it seems right now

Just wishing you all the very best with it. I didnt have the same experience but my boy was born with a critical heart condition and has had open heart surgery 2 times, I think it is very much a case of taking it an hour or a day at a time and trusting and praying, and looking after yourself/getting support so you have the energy to look after your little ones.

Take care x

feel free to get in touch with me as i have experience with tia being born at 23 weeks
i will advise you and help you the best i can hun
xxx

Hi,

Has anyone else little one not been offered this jab? Freya is 13 months, and i was told at 10 months that not all babies have it-ill be sent a card if she does need to go-i never got one. Im in hillsborough.

Is this common?-im worried that she isnt as protected as other babies.

Thanks

Rach

We had to phone and book all our jabs near the time. I've never heard of being offered jabs only if they need them, I thought all of the jabs were needed, hence the program of jabs they have. Was it a HV that told you that? I think the Hib/Men C was the one my DD had a 12 months and at 13 months it was MMR and PVC. I would phone your surgery and just book her in for them and then discuss it with the nurse at the appointments to make sure she does need them.

HTH

I was told id get a letter to remind me to go-Freya seems to be forgotten with all medical things (hospital lost her heart murmur letter as a baby)!

Ill make an appointment myself. Hope having it a few weeks late wont be a problem. I feel a bad mum for not doing this in 1st place!

Would not worry too much, we have to keep putting it off as monsterbaby has one cold after the next and I will not get him vaccinated when the immune system is already busy.

Even the doctor said the other day to wait a bit longer.

There seems to be a little bit of confusion about some of the new jabs. I asked my HV about some of the imunisations and she wasn't sure. A few of them that babybonny has had are not printed in the Red Book, presumably because they're still new.

That is the pneumococcal one. I actually got a reminder for that and mmr today. It is just the hib/men c one at 12 months ive not been told to go for.

I took it upon myself to book in today for it. If want a job doing properly.....

I was given a leaflet with the new ones on, as the red book is out of date. My red book is a mess where the injections are listed and when we went for the MMR one, the nurse was trying to check up as to whether she did need the PVC one, which proved difficult as the central record place didn't have the info available as they were in the middle of being computerised. We ended up going though the red books information with a fine tooth comb. We realised DD did need the last PVC after all.

Wont go into to much detail for legal reasons as I am going to the top with this, but thought I'd post so that anyone else can advise me and also to keep all you parents on your toes...

My daughter had her 12 months HIB immunization today so we saw the H.V beforehand to get a prescription for infant paracetamol as she reacted badly to this last time.

Prescription written out, injection done off we headed for the pharmacy, prescription picked up walked off and noticed the box 'Medinol OVER 6' (Bear in mind she's 12months).

Grabbed hold of the pharmacist and explained this and he explained that the over 6 is 250mg/5ml and the under 6 is 120mg/5ml so we can give her 1/2 - 1 spoon instead of 1-2 spoons of under 6...?

It clearly states on the label:

NOT FOR CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF 6

We left not, :rant:&:huh: and called NHS direct who have in no uncertain terms said: Do not use it!!!!!!!!!!!

So there you have it, health (:huh:) visitors are dangerous people...always read the label and don't just think they know best.

Worrying, RICON, but I really think you ought to change the title - it's libellous. You don't know that the HV was attempting to kill your daughter. Maybe they made a mistake.

Ok, maybe a mistake was made so 'tried' may seem a little harsh...

How about could've, but seeing as she wrote out the prescription after looking it up in her book and double checking it, a mistake seems quite unlikely, especially when the pharmacist backed her up...surely 2 people making the same mistake...:roll:

Wrong job then obviously....

surely 2 people making the same mistake...:roll:



So, what you're saying is, TWO people tried to kill your daughter?! :roll:

Title now editted.

I might add - I'd trust the pharmacist over nhs direct any day.

Wont go into to much detail for legal reasons as I am going to the top with this, but thought I'd post so that anyone else can advise me and also to keep all you parents on your toes...

My daughter had her 12 months HIB immunization today so we saw the H.V beforehand to get a prescription for infant paracetamol as she reacted badly to this last time.

Prescription written out, injection done off we headed for the pharmacy, prescription picked up walked off and noticed the box 'Medinol OVER 6' (Bear in mind she's 12months).

Grabbed hold of the pharmacist and explained this and he explained that the over 6 is 250mg/5ml and the under 6 is 120mg/5ml so we can give her 1/2 - 1 spoon instead of 1-2 spoons of under 6...?

It clearly states on the label:

NOT FOR CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF 6

We left not, :rant:&:huh: and called NHS direct who have in no uncertain terms said: Do not use it!!!!!!!!!!!

So there you have it, health (:huh:) visitors are dangerous people...always read the label and don't just think they know best.

I've just read this more closely (sorry) and what you're in fact saying is that you were recommended to give your little one a reduced dose of paracetamol - so, not the dose recommended for a six+ year old, but one appropriate for a one-year-old.

What's wrong with that? Alternatively, you could have bought an expensive bottle of baby Calpol and given her the same amount of paracatemol as in the half teaspoon you were recommended to give her of the prescribed medicine. Hardly your health visitor and the pharmacist TRYING to KILL her, is it?

Thanks babychickens...

Right, no I'm not trying to say 2 people are in the wrong, the pharmacist can't hand out anything other than what is on the prescription, he advised me wrong obviously but not a lot that can be done about that, he will be getting a mention in my somewhat :rant::rant::rant::rant: letter...

I might add - I'd trust the pharmacist over nhs direct any day.

I would too. From the OP's post ''Grabbed hold of the pharmacist and explained this and he explained that the over 6 is 250mg/5ml and the under 6 is 120mg/5ml so we can give her 1/2 - 1 spoon instead of 1-2 spoons of under 6...?''


That sounds exactly right to me.

Right, no I'm not trying to say 2 people are in the wrong, the pharmacist can't hand out anything other than what is on the prescription,

I'm no expert but I think you're wrong here - the whole point of having a checking system and highly trained and qualified pharmacists IS that they DON'T hand out drugs that they feel are incorrectly prescribed.

hi, i had something very similar happen, baby one had a viral infection at about 6 months, gp gave us nurofen for babies as she was already having paracetamol and it wasn't keeping her temp down any way got prescription gave her the dose as stated on pharmacy label. I had a think about it later and realised i usually gave a smaller dose, peeled of the label to find i had actually given her more than double the dose. In a total panic i contacted the pharmacy who also panicked till they realised it wasn't there fault it was the dr's, the dr's simply said it wouldn't do her any harm and not to worry, i was furious had i not checked myself i could have poisoned my baby. Unfortunately their was a lot of backside covering and never went any further despite my compaint.

Pharmacists are actually highly trained, as well as a doctor, but with more of a focus on drug administration and interaction.
If the pharmacist says it's safe, then it's almost certainly safe.

And if it's paracetamol then it's pretty obvious that's safe in an appropriate dose. The label on the box is just a cover all they put on in case some idiot tries to sue.

So you've been told to use it, given what sounds like an appropriate dose and you're now over reacting to your own misunderstanding.

Actually just re read that and they do have a point of course you can use it once you give the appropriate dose paracetamol is paracetamol you just have to work out what the reduced dose is. That said always check your prescription carefully and you did right to ask, but the person you speak to at nhs direct initially isn't a qualified nurse or dr so if the pharmacist rechecked its probably right.

the person you speak to at nhs direct initially isn't a qualified nurse or dr so if the pharmacist rechecked its probably right.

To be fair, the person I spoke to initally was a complete numpty...Is this causing you any anxiety or distress...ERM, NO :loopy:

I was called back by a Dr and she told me to avoid it and stick to the calpol that we have. Don't give her the prescription.

People, do your maths...250mg/5ml, lets ignore the 5ml for now and just keep 250 in your mind.

120mg/5ml...right, correct me if I'm wrong...120 x 2 = 240, so if I was to give her 2.5ml it would still be 5mg over the prescribed dose, would it not :huh: and when playing around with a 12mth old 5mg is a fair amount...hope you wouldn't take the risks with your kids but it seems you would...

Which is it, 120mg/5ml or 240/5ml, it can't possibly be both.

Either way, if you were advised to give her 1/2 tea spoon, that's 2.5ml, which is 60mg (assuming 120mg/5ml).
A normal adult dosage is 1000mg. The only important factor is actually body weight.
So if we say 1000mg is safe for a 10 stone adult (and that's being generous, I could have said 6 stone). Then 100mg/stone of body weight is safe and you've been advised to give her the dosage for around .6 of a stone, or 8.4 lbs in weight.

So how much does your daughter weigh?

I completely sympathise with you ricon, just lately it seems very difficult to trust anyone in the medical profession with anything, so i would just say that your instincts were right and only you know whats best for your child.
i was given a double dose of co-codamol at 3 mnths pregnant that said do not take while pregnant, my mum took some of the same things that she was prescribed and shes was out for the count for the rest of the day, like you i sought a second opinion and was told not to take it. so if you think that it isnt right for YOUR child then by no means give her the dose as recommended and also please remember not everyone is 100% the only person that instinctively knows whats right for their child is you
good luck with it
xxx

Which is it, 120mg/5ml or 240/5ml, it can't possibly be both.

Either way, if you were advised to give her 1/2 tea spoon, that's 2.5ml, which is 60mg (assuming 120mg/5ml).
A normal adult dosage is 1000mg. The only important factor is actually body weight.
So if we say 1000mg is safe for a 10 stone adult (and that's being generous, I could have said 6 stone). Then 100mg/stone of body weight is safe and you've been advised to give her the dosage for around .6 of a stone, or 8.4 lbs in weight.

So how much does your daughter weigh?

120 or 240...right, let's get this into perspective as think some are a little confused.

Medinol over 6: 250mg/5ml
Medinol under 6: 120mg/5ml
Calpol (Using calpol as an example): 120mg/5ml

So...they have prescribed Medinol over 6 (250mg/5ml) and advising me to give her a 2.5ml spoonful which would be 125mg.

If I was to have the medinol under 6 (120mg/5ml) then I would give her 5ml (120mg) but could give her 2 spoons which would then only be 240mg if needed.

Calpol, which is what I use and is fantastic is the same as above...where you are getting 60ml from I have no idea, a 2.5ml of calpol then yes, I would achieve a dose of 60mg but I haven't given her that since she was about 10mths.

The calpol label states the dosage:

3-12mths: 2.5ml - 5ml /60mg - 120mg
12mths: 5ml - 10ml / 120mg - 240mg

So giving her 250mg is in no way safe, I am aware that it is dependant on her weight and she is slightly below her average weight/age so I have no intention oh giving her 240mg, never mind 250mg...

I dont have mine yet but know that only you can say whether you think your daughter should have it
i mean what if you did give her the prescribed dose and something happened then it would be your fault because you hadnt read the instructions!!! ricon you cant win i think you have done the best thing
like i said good luck and hope she feels better soon

Thanks babychickens...

Right, no I'm not trying to say 2 people are in the wrong, the pharmacist can't hand out anything other than what is on the prescription, he advised me wrong obviously but not a lot that can be done about that, he will be getting a mention in my somewhat :rant::rant::rant::rant: letter...

Actually, the pharmacist CAN hand out something different to what is on the prescription - not a different drug, but they can correct for miscalculations. In fact, that's part of their job.

Cyclone - unfortunately the logic of body weight doesn't apply to children, as children have different ways and speeds of metabolising certain compounds than adults do (hence the need for paediatricians). Very few drugs (actually, none that I know of) have had full clinical trials run in children, let alone babies, because of the difficulty in getting ethics approval and volunteers.

Calpol - 120mg/ml. 5-10mls per dose for a 1-6yr old child, or 120-240mg. 3-12 months recommended dose is 2.5-5ml, or 60-120mg.

Medinol (under 6) - 120mg/ml. 5-10ml per dose for a 1-6yr old child, exactly the same as calpol, 120-240mg.

Medinol (over 6) - 250mg/ml. 2.5-5ml per dose for a 1-6yr old as recommended by the pharmacist, =125-250mg.

I've checked through the ingredients of medinol over 6 and under 6, and the ingredients are identical (other than flavourings and colourants) - the only difference is the concentration of paracetamol.

To be honest I really don't understand why you're wound up unless there's some information that you haven't shared. If the pharmacist said to use 125-250mg of paracetamol then that's really very close to the 120-240mg of calpol paracetamol...5-10mg of paracetamol isn't a lot, actually. Yes, obviously you should be careful of what medicines your child has, but no matter who you take this to you're not going to find any health professionals agreeing with you unless they're trying to get you out of their office as fast as possible. NHS direct aren't medically trained - they follow instructions on a computer screen and get the medical professional (nurse/doctor/whatever) to ring you back, so unless it was the medical professional you spoke to then the NHS direct 'advice' is nothing other than advising caution while professional opinions are sought.

GL note - yes, people may be wound up, but veiled (or open) insults ARE NOT acceptable in the parenting section. Please mind how you phrase your comments. Everybody cares about their children and does what they think is best for them.

To be fair, the person I spoke to initally was a complete numpty...Is this causing you any anxiety or distress...ERM, NO :loopy:

I was called back by a Dr and she told me to avoid it and stick to the calpol that we have. Don't give her the prescription.

Babychickens...you seem very well educated in medicines, shame you're not a doctor as you obviously should be...:huh:


PS: What's a GL NOTE??? If aimed @ me, please point out where I have insulted anyone as I can't see it, or maybe it's just an abbreviation such as PS/NB that I have never come across....

so i would just say that your instincts were right and only you know whats best for your child.


Clearly this is just nonsense.
Unless you are a trained GP or pharmacist or work in paediatrics then frankly you really have no idea what is best when it comes to doses of drugs do you.

Babychickens is probably correct about not being able to convert directly from adult weight concentrations to child, but I doubt that there is a huge difference.

Having a quick google, it appears that the overdose threshold is around 150mg/kg in 24 hrs.
I'm not really sure what a one year old child weighs... Google supplies me with 8 - 12 Kg.
So an overdose would be in the range of 1200mg in a 24 hr period.

Anyway, I understand now what the >6 <6 point is, just that the dose of paracetamol is double in the >6 compared to the <6. So giving half the dose makes perfect sense really doesn't it.
The doctor was probably trying to do you a favour as no doubt the bottles cost exactly the same amount.

Babychickens...you seem very well educated in medicines, shame you're not a doctor as you obviously should be...:huh:

What gets me...you are so well educated but yet, you can't read....SEE ABOVE

Probably to allay your fears.

Keep it nice and cut out the sarcastic comments please.
Parenting has a good feel about it most of the time and we are VERY keen to keep it that way.

Indeed. If I were a doctor faced by a protective mother feeling aggrieved, and could direct them to the same drug and a near-identical dose, and they went away happy, I'd go with that.

GL note = group leader note.
Taking this to PM.

hi ,just want to see if i can help sort this out and put some minds at rest. Parents should always check the dose and you are perfectly right to question something if you are not sure and i would say if you have the calpol just give them that your mind will at least be at ease. I have checked a reliable medical source and they advise that for a baby 3 months to 12 months u give 20mg per kg every 6 hours up to a max of 90mg/kg in a 24 hour period. Now i have just had a quick look at the babies red book and if your baby is on the 0.4th(the bottom) centile it would still weigh 7.5kg which means they could safely have a dose of 150mg. Hopes this puts your mind at rest. You are right to check but i wouldn't go off pointing the finger in case you end up a little red faced.

I had a terrifying experience with wrongly prescribed medication with my son last year.

Last September, he had an operation to remove a large lump in his leg. We had to travel to Birmingham as they were apparently the specialists in this area. He had the op on the Monday, and was discharged that evening. I was told to give him 4 x 5ml spoons of Dyhydrocodeine at 8pm (about halfway through our journey home). I stopped at the roadside to do this and gave him the prescribed amount.

Within 15 mins he was away with the fairies. He was talking about having spider senses, and he could sense bugs anywhere near him. He became hysterical and very strange. Believe me, I was glad to get him home. I decided there and then that he would have no more of this medication. When I got home, I read the accompanying info sheet that came with the medicine. It said that the recommended dose for ADULTS was 10-30mg every 4 - 6 hours. Remember I had given him 40mg. He was 8 years old at the time.

I had a very worrying night with him - he woke up at 7am screaming with headache.

I went to my local Chemist the minute it opened. The Pharmacist was very careful about criticising the hospital, but she did say she couldn't understand why that amount had been prescribed. She advised me to see our GP - immediately.

Luckily, he came to no harm, but I still go cold when I think what could have happened. I would advise everyone to read the enclosed info sheets on any meds they are prescribed, and don't be afraid to question your GP/Pharmacist if there is something you don't understand. People aren't machines - we all make mistakes.

Although your son suffered dreadful effects of the drug he was prescribed and the dose was inappropriate, many people forget that codeine has it's own properties, even in minute and recommended doses.
I cannot take even the minimum amount of co-codamol and similar codeine based drugs because it makes me hallucinate.
I've been convinced of 6 ft spiders on top of the wardrobe, that if people can't see my body I'm in fact invisible and that my partner of the time was dead in bed beside me, in fact at one stage I could feel he was there but could not see him. So now it's on my hospital notes and docs notes of being allergic to codeine for safety. Good job since it is often used in post birth pain relief and I probably would have been given it after the c-section.
Codeine is very dangerous to those who are sensitive and even more so for kids. Definitely one to watch out for at all times.

Hi White rose, My baby boy Riley was born in March this year at 25+5. As youll know its a bloody rollercoaster and we finally got him home on the 28th June (10 days after is due date). He had to come home on oxygen. At first i was dreading the oxygen and didnt know how id cope but believe me you do. It just becomes a way of life and we got used to it in a few days. Riley came off his oxygen yesterday and were now trying to get used to NOT having a wire trailing through the house. I will also say the support of the home oxygen nurse Amanda is fantastic and also the home neo-natal nurse (we had June) was brilliant and they are always on hand. If you need any more info or advice do pm me and ill be happy to chat. All the best xx

I know this isn't nothing to do with them being home on oxygen..but if they're still small..mothercare have got a sale on and most of whats left is there tiny baby range. Just one rack in that one nr city hall. :)

Hi all,

have been lurking here for a while but this is my first topic. Does anyone else have a baby with reflux? If so how did/do you cope with it and the endless banging your head against a brick wall getting health people to listen to you? We've been prescribed infant gaviscon for our little one and are trying all the usual tricks, e,g, keep her bed elevated and keep her upright after feeds etc and she's stopped being sick but she's still uncomfortable and her sleep is still disturbed and sometimes she'll still be a bit sick an hour later. Going back to the GP (4th time!) and hope this one listens to me because I'm at my wits end. Have tried looking for patterns in when she sleeps/eats well and when she doesn't but I can't find one and I think what I'm eating and drinking has an effect too (I'm BF). We were also prescribed paracetamol but I don't think that's a viable long tern solution and it's turning her poo a funny colour but since cutting it out the bad days have got more frequent. Getting drained now because she has trouble sleeping so I don't get any rest :( until my hubby gets home from work.

Hi all,

have been lurking here for a while but this is my first topic. Does anyone else have a baby with reflux? If so how did/do you cope with it and the endless banging your head against a brick wall getting health people to listen to you? We've been prescribed infant gaviscon for our little one and are trying all the usual tricks, e,g, keep her bed elevated and keep her upright after feeds etc and she's stopped being sick but she's still uncomfortable and her sleep is still disturbed and sometimes she'll still be a bit sick an hour later. Going back to the GP (4th time!) and hope this one listens to me because I'm at my wits end. Have tried looking for patterns in when she sleeps/eats well and when she doesn't but I can't find one and I think what I'm eating and drinking has an effect too (I'm BF). We were also prescribed paracetamol but I don't think that's a viable long tern solution and it's turning her poo a funny colour but since cutting it out the bad days have got more frequent. Getting drained now because she has trouble sleeping so I don't get any rest :( until my hubby gets home from work.

Hi hun my son is now 6 but he had reflux, It took ages for anyone to take note of it. I ended up calling health visitior out. I made sure my mother in law was here when health visitor came for support. And while she was here he was constantly sick. She gave him gaviscon, i was also told to avoid anything with gluten in. And it worked he was still sick at odd time but not projectile. You can get a lot of gluten free things rusks and everything. Am not sure if they have told you to avoid gluten based products but give it a go. Sorry i can't be of much use charlie x x

Welcome, EvilLyn. I hope you enjoy using the site and get some useful information. I did a quick search of the topics here for you and found this:

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=238492&highlight=reflux

Hopefully there will be something useful for you there.

I hope it gets better for you soon. At least they do grow out of it, but right about now that probably feels like a million years away. Big hugs xxx

My daughter had it when she was only a few weeks old.

Our doctor prescribed "carobel" - not sure if thats the correct spelling but it worked wonders...

My son is just being investigated for this - I've been constantly asking why he is sick so often, and has constant chest infections only to be told its part and parcel of his life (he's disabled), we got a new speech and language therapist who's only met him a couple of times, she saw him gag and instantly got him a referral to a gastroentorologist (sp).....its about time!!

Hi all,

thanks for your replies and to Cosywolf for the link. We've had a mixed day today but she (& me) managed to sleep this afternoon so feeling much better!

It's comforting to know that me & Mr EvilLyn are not alone because sometimes we feel as though we are. On the bright side it could be so much worse so we're thankful for that.

Ta

Linds x

Hi all,

have been lurking here for a while but this is my first topic. Does anyone else have a baby with reflux? If so how did/do you cope with it and the endless banging your head against a brick wall getting health people to listen to you? We've been prescribed infant gaviscon for our little one and are trying all the usual tricks, e,g, keep her bed elevated and keep her upright after feeds etc and she's stopped being sick but she's still uncomfortable and her sleep is still disturbed and sometimes she'll still be a bit sick an hour later. Going back to the GP (4th time!) and hope this one listens to me because I'm at my wits end. Have tried looking for patterns in when she sleeps/eats well and when she doesn't but I can't find one and I think what I'm eating and drinking has an effect too (I'm BF). We were also prescribed paracetamol but I don't think that's a viable long tern solution and it's turning her poo a funny colour but since cutting it out the bad days have got more frequent. Getting drained now because she has trouble sleeping so I don't get any rest :( until my hubby gets home from work.


If you don't get anywhere with your normal health professionals go see the ones at the Palgrave Centre they are realy nice and will discuss these issues with you.

My daughter had Reflux but not that bad we still have sessions where she projectile vomits but you get used to it.

Thanks again for the help. GP was very understanding but because little'un is gaining weight they can't prescribe anything more hardcore than we're on so fair enough. Discussed looking at my diet, with a view to cutting out dairy as I read that it can affect reflux so have decided to go back to basics with a bland diet and then try to reintroduce foods to see what causes the problems. I think enchiladas are one! Will also investigate cranial osteopathy....

Linds

Ah, it's not fair, is it? Just when you think your diet can get a little more normal, something like this happens. You have my sympathy!

yes our baby has it too. we are using gaviscon, which helps sometimes though its not really bad. My friend had to have ranitidine prescribed for her baby as it was quite severe and it did work well. As it turned out she only needed it for a couple of weeks then he settled. Most babies tend to grow out of it fairly quickly so it should not be forever. When my baby is unsettled during the day, and it is exhausting so I do feel for you, i put her in the cloth sling and potter around the house. She is normally asleep within minutes and sleeps peacefully for ages :-) (its a wrap sling and I have her in the upright position) Of course there is the risk of sick down your cleavage! But you can tuck a muslin in. This does mean you have a big lump to carry round but half the time I end up carrying her round anyway, and at least it means I can get on with jobs around the house, have something to eat, and sit and watch TV is she is properly asleep. We also use the bouncy chair in an upright sitting position to put her in when she is happy being put down, and a Bumbo seat for short periods. Some people find sitting them in car seats helps but its not good for them to be in them for long. We tried CO too which helped her settle a bit but didnt totally cure the reflux. Worth a go maybe tho? good luck & it will get better soon xxxx

Thanks again for the help. GP was very understanding but because little'un is gaining weight they can't prescribe anything more hardcore than we're on so fair enough. Discussed looking at my diet, with a view to cutting out dairy as I read that it can affect reflux so have decided to go back to basics with a bland diet and then try to reintroduce foods to see what causes the problems. I think enchiladas are one! Will also investigate cranial osteopathy....

Linds

aww good luck and :hihi: at the enchiladas!

Hi

My son had reflux as a baby. I found that foods I ate definitey made it worse (he was BF too). I stopped drinking milk and typical wind-producing foods such as brocolli, cauliflower etc and just ate a very bland diet until he was eating solids. Funnily although he reasted to loads in my milk, I never avoided anything in his solids diet and he was fine.

Also I used to have him nap in his pushchair so that he was slightly upright and always used to make sure that I did a nappy chage before a feed rather than after.

My son has reflux and was very very prem so was in hospital for 4 months and they basically said to experiment with the gaviscon until you get the right results as all babies are different so the prescribed dose sometimes doesnt work i remember Ri being on 2 saches in 5oz (barin in mind he was only 5 lb hes now 12lb and 9 months old and is still on 2 saches but in 8 oz so we are going to wean him off it soon. I found the more gloopy the milk was the better it was.

H xx

I heard as well that wearing your baby is good when they suffer from reflux (amongst other things).

But plese: Do not use your baby bjorn for that (or a similar carrier). The baby's legs are dangling down in it and they can get huge problems with their hips as a result. Also, their spine cannot curve in them properly when they are going to sleep as it should do (storchenwiege (http://www.storchenwiege.com/babycarrierresearch.htm) and didymos (http://didymos.de/english/index.php) for more info on that).

Here are some websites for you where you can have a look at slings, mei tais etc.: http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=256810&highlight=babywearer


Hope you lo is better soon and you get it all sorted quickly!

Baby Camrat had/has reflux, and I agree getting people to listen t you, especially when he is gaining weight is very tough. We tried Gaviscon but it made him constipated, so now we are using SMA Staydown Milk which seems to be working.... that or he's starting to grow out of it!

Good luck!

Give Chris at The Osteopathic Practice a call - 0114 266 4786.

His cranial treatments can help with a range of conditions including colic/reflux etc.

I was with him today and very impressed.

LL

My son Ollie had reflux as a baby, we took him to hospital and he was given infant gaviscon, there was no particular concern as he too was gaining weight! Once he was fully on solids it disappeared, he is now 14 and can eat for england and has never had a re-occurence so there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Best wishes....Alan

Took my four month old son to have his third injections today. Really don't like going, I know it's for his own good but it really upsets me to see him cry when he has them. I think I cry more than he does in the end. He had three today one after the other and he was in a right state. Luckily he doesn't have to have one now until he's twelve months. Is anyone else a real wimp when they take their children? Does it get worse the older they get because I heard a four year old screaming her head off today and I don't think I could act as brave as her mother did. I really don't want my son getting as scared of needles as I am.

I don't have children, but I seem to remember that, as a child, I would usually respond to distraction and bribery...and would rarely allow my parents to feel guilty if chocolate was part of the deal!

Hang on 4 months...that's tricky...he'll forget though...and it is for the 'greater good'.

Hang on 4 months...that's tricky...he'll forget though...and it is for the 'greater good'.

I know he will forget it but it really upsets me and I'm dreading when he starts to remember

You're obviously a very caring mother. Don't worry so much, eh?:)

Also, the more upset you are, the more upset he will be. If he sees you in a state of beatific calm, he's not going to think anything bad is going on. The pain of the jab is quickly over.

ummm glass of wine after for being a good mummy? lol
Seriously though, at ours we have a nurse doing the jabs and someone else there to help if need be. I'm sure they would hold the child if you hate it that much, although it may make things worse if they arent being held by you. You could always ask the other person (or if not, take someone with you, and you can turn away and talk to them, so you dont actually see the needle go in?

I never watch. I always hold monsterbaby very close to me and look the other way.
I also try to distract him after so that he forgets about it very quickly.
And as someone else said the more upset you are and you are showing it the worse it is for your lo, they are incredible on picking up on our moods I found.
Hope you get through the next ones better.

Thank you for all your replies, think next time I will try and make sure that my husband is off work so that someone is with me, I might not get as upset then, he's pretty calm about needles and those kind of situations.

I was dreading taking babybonny for his injections (and there are so many these days)! But, surprisingly we were both fine - he didn't cry and neither did I.

Slightly worryingly - he sits on my knee and doesn't flinch in the slightest. I say slightly worryingly because i'm beginning to wonder whether he has many pain receptors :help:

My friend's baby had reflux so badly she ended up vomiting blood, but it went as soon as she weaned...

What can you do with a nine week old who has caught a bad cold? He's coughing a lot and has phlegm on his chest because his breath is really raspy, but he's not got a fever and is eating as well as ever. It's just frightening to watch him cough and gasp for air afterwards! He's sleeping with the bed raised at the head and is warm and supervised, but what more is there to help him? :(

Keep the air humid by placing wet towels on a radiator.

Keep the air humid by placing wet towels on a radiator.

Will that loosen his chest a bit?

I'm worried, but I'd be a hell of a lot more worried if I hadn't had this myself because it sounds so awful, poor little lad :(

Will that loosen his chest a bit?

I'm worried, but I'd be a hell of a lot more worried if I hadn't had this myself because it sounds so awful, poor little lad :(

Yes it should help to clear it and also clear the aural passages. Just watch that it doesn't turn into bronchiolitis. Saying that; there isn't much you can do than you have already done, if it does. You would just need to check that he is eating/drinking as usual and really keep the air quite damp.

If you need a little more humidity than towels on the radiator, you can get a humidifier from Argos (p577) for less than £40...we had a steam one, but have moved on to ultrasonic because the air is cool and there is no hot element to worry about...more of a worry when they are moving about, like ours, really. Also, you can alter how much steam comes out and when and for how long.

I swear by ours because cosycub got bronchiolitis when he was very young and is still suffering the cough (it can go on up to 3 years - hopefully we are getting near the end!) and actual humidifiers are the only thing that has ever eased it. It's good for coughs and colds in general too, and has seen him through his snottiest, phlegmiest nights (I sometimes go stand by it when I'm ill, lol). So all in all, one of our better buys.

Ah, I hope the cough goes soon, anyway. Poor mite.

My son is 6 and has had a cold for last 2 week, it seems to be getting worse not better.He keeps coughing and sounds like he can hardly breath. Iv been using the usual calpol and cough and cold med. Have been sending him to school cos he is not crying or unhappy. But he sounds terrible the school don't agree with you keeping them off because of a cold but if he no better come sunday im keeping him home because he aint getting no better and tends to suffer with croup. So dont want it developing in that. Hope your little one gets well soon charlie. x

If not a humidifier take the lo into the bathroom with the shower on hottest setting to get some steam going

Cheers for this help! The towels on radiators seems to have helped him a bit - he was being burped earlier and he'd had a rasping sound in his chest but he spat up a load of what looked like phlegm (sorry if you are eating ;) ) and stopped being 'raspy' after that.

Its awful when they are ill at this age my youngest also had bronchiolitis, when she was only 3 weeks old :( . And December is a terriable month for it my LO was in the childrens for 2 weeks.

Another thing that helps is saline nose drops before feeding as it normally induces a big sneeze, lol. I have also heard but ive not tryed them that the snot sucker thingys are quite good.

Like the others say just make sure he is ok with his feeds and having plenty of wet nappies. If he should go off his feeds atall get him seen straight away. They can get really in such a short space of time when they are so tiny. Tbh if his chest still seems raspy over the weekend i would get him checked out just to be safe.

Hope he is feeling much better soon.

Can't remember what age you can use Snuffle Baby?

I soak muslim clothes in water then put a couple of drops of Baby Olbas oil on them and put them on the raditor so the vapour can be gently released.

I used to also raise the top end of the mattress just ever so slightly (a towel underneath) which is meant to help.

Hey my 18mnth old is due to have a bronchoscopy op mid-week to find out the reason for his persistant year long coughing. Got an idea what its all about but just wondered if anyone had any experience, advice or tips for his op and stay in hosp? thanks:confused:

Is he going to be staying or is he going as a day patient?

will be staying in i think cos not in while aft theatre n discharge time is 8hrs, checking for acid reflux too so will take longer than normal bronc does so consultant sed anyway.

Well when my son had a general, he was very sleepy for a few hours afterwards. He soon came round and was eating drinking etc as normal. I hope everything goes ok or your little one

ok thanks thats reasurring, im sure he will be fine, just been a worrying mom!

It is very scary. My son was only 5 weeks old and it was an emergency hernia op. The Drs and Nurses at childrens are fantastic, you'll be in great hands :)

My child has suffered a persistent cough since 6 months old as a result of contracting bronchiolitis. This is well known and usually goes by 3 years...cosycub is growing out of it now.
I'm sure they've thought of that as a possibility, but I just thought I'd mention it in case it was worth speaking to someone about. It would be a pity to have an invasive procedure if it wasn't totally necessary.
Though as I said, I'm sure they've checked before deciding on this route.

Children are amazingly resilient, and though I'm sure you will be scared and will hate it, your child will probably cope rather better than you and will have forgotten it in no time.

All the best.

Thanks for all your replys they were great but..................op got cancelled due to him picking up impetigo from nursey!!!! oh well more prepared for next time i supose!!!

Oh no! Its typical isn't it

Hi my 7 month old has croup hes had it for a week now with not much improvement. He is fairly well in himself during the day but his coughing at night is terrible and he just can't get to sleep its very distressing.
We really struggled to get him into a good sleep routine and he'd only just started going through till 5 the week before he got ill. We've had a run of it, both the babies have had the vomiting bug and i've been really poorly since crimbo and we are just exhausted. I've brought him to the drs twice and they have just said it has to run its course, i have a humidifier in his room, bed raised slightly, any other suggestions? Please

Just wanted to pass on my experiences in case they can be of benefit to anyone. Recently my 4 month old baby suffered with sickness and diarrhoea for 4 weeks. He saw his G.P twice and I spoke to a G.P on a further 2 occassions. I was consistently told that there was nothing that they could do and it would pass. I was however given various bits of advice, starve him for 48hours?!!, water down his milk feeds, feed him normally etc. It was only after a visit to A&E when it all got to much for us all (my baby had lost weight and looked generally fed up with the world) and we were advised to give him SOYA MILK for the short term. His sickness and diarrhoea cleared up within 24/48 hours as he had infact become lactose intolerant. It was no longer the bug/virus making him ill but his milk. I left him on Soya milk for four weeks and he put on weight, cheered up massively and began on solids. He is now back on normal formula and things are good. I only wish that I had been given that advice by his G.P much sooner as we would all have been alot happier.

I sincerely wish I had some advice because you do sound very fed up but sadly I can't as I have no experience with croup.
However, have an virtual hug ((((lola2)))).
Because you're worth it ;)

Thanks zebra have had one of those horrible days so that is much appreciated. Its their poor daddy i feel sorry for. I've been so ill over the weekend that he has been up 4-5 times in the night and then up at seven with the toddler only to have to get on with work during the day. He looks awful. I am just starting to feel better so shall take over from tonight but its not ideal. I just don't know how long its going to last.:(

The only other suggestion that we found helpful when my niece had croup (she's had it a number of times, including badly enough to warrant a trip to A&E in the middle of the night) was when it's really bad, shut yourself and the wee one in the bathroom with the shower turned on full power on the hottest it will go, and jiggle the little one on your lap until they take plenty of deep breaths (and hopefully calm down a little). The extra steamy atmosphere for half an hour should help buy you a few hours of sleep.

Sending you and your little ones healthy vibes.

Hiya,

first of all I hope he is better soon.

Cool, fresh air is the best thing. So wrap him up and take him out as much as you can.

Also, when he has a really bad coughing episode, place him in front of the fridge as the cold air will make him take proper breaths.

Make sure the room is cool as a warm room is making the coughing worse.

You can also take him into the bathroom and run the hot water (just make sure that he's not overheating) and let him inhale the steam for 15 minutes. But only when he is not in a coughing episode.

Ds was given some steroids when he had it, but reading your message it wasn't as bad as your lo's.

Thanks for that, he has been out in his pram today so hopefully that will help, we've done the steam bit but i didn't know about the fridge so i'll give it ago.
How long should i leave it before i pay the gp another visit? when i've taken him he's never sounded that bad as he's been sitting on my knee and its not night time but after a little crawl this evening he was terrible!!

Apparently croup is always worse at night as the adrenaline level is much higher during the day.

And lo's always seem to be much better when they are the doctors, monsterbaby is the same.

Is your ds off his food? Is he running a temperature? I would go again and let the gp know that your ds is not sleeping at night due to the coughing.

He was off his food and had high temps a week ago but had parvo virus then, don't ask, the cough from that turned into croup, sorry haven't explained that well. He doesn't seem that ill just sounds awful and the lack of sleep is making him and everyone else very cranky. I think we'll just have to hope it doesn't last much longer. Thanks evryone

Hi Lola,

My boys have had croup a total of 5 times between them, and the only thing that gave them any relief was the steam. I took the electric kettle to my bedroom (where the little one was sleeping with me) and boiled it almost dry (with the lid up). My walls and windows ran with condensation but I found a full kettle of steam gave relief for a few hours.

I think it works better than the bathroom because my shower/bath never generated enough steam for it to be effective, and as the little one was already in bed, they fell asleep quickly once the coughing subsided.

It is so scary when your child is struggling to breathe due to that awful cough. I always found that the first 3 nights were the worst, followed by a steady improvement. Your little one is not much better after a week of this, so I think you should take him back to the GP just to get checked out again. You must all be exhausted.

Good luck.

Sorry to hear about your experience but if it is your first child you will soon learn that everytime someone who you think know the answer opens there mouth you will be given conflicting advice.

We were told to water down formula then someone else said it was a definite no no. You can't win and don't know who to trust.

I find you tend to rely on your own instincts most of the time and occasionally need that little bit of support from other parents who have first hand experience of these situations.

Hi my 7 month old has croup hes had it for a week now with not much improvement. He is fairly well in himself during the day but his coughing at night is terrible and he just can't get to sleep its very distressing.
We really struggled to get him into a good sleep routine and he'd only just started going through till 5 the week before he got ill. We've had a run of it, both the babies have had the vomiting bug and i've been really poorly since crimbo and we are just exhausted. I've brought him to the drs twice and they have just said it has to run its course, i have a humidifier in his room, bed raised slightly, any other suggestions? Please

No experience with croup but my daughter went through a fase similar where she had some really bad coughing fits in the night (like a 20 fags a day person) but as she is like mommy and daddy and like her sleep she managed to sleep through.

Someone told me to put a drop on honey into her bottle at night (not sure when you can give them honey check it out if you decide to give it a go). anyway for some reason it has worked I tell my self it is like a not medical cough medicine.

Honey has lots of medicinal values but remember to go for pastuerised honey at first. It contains something which can be difficult for a poor or immature immune system to deal with. Some sort of spore I think.
I can't think of any problems honey causes otherwise so it should always be a good thing. I give it to our girls frequently.

Sorry to hear about your experience but if it is your first child you will soon learn that everytime someone who you think know the answer opens there mouth you will be given conflicting advice.

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Even if its your third child people think you dont have a clue. Even when i phoned up the jessops triage because of me being dizzy, sick and blurred vision, i am obviously a first time mum overreacting. :rolleyes:

Go with your gut instincts, You know in yourself when something is not right with your own baby.

Hope your little one is much better Jo.

Babycamrat had it for a week and half. It was a really upsetting time, especially with him being our first we didn't know what to do, and also we got a lot of conflicting advice. Eventually w did what we felt was best for him, taking into account his moods etc. Interesting to learn that your baby actully became lactose intolerant for a few weeks, wasn't aware that could happen.

my next doors little girls had it for 48 hours and my daughter just started with the runs so the sickness wont b far away

I know that this may not work for all babies but I can't sing Soya Milk's praises enough. It stopped the sickenss and diarrhoea almost immediatley.

May I just add though that there is conflicting advice about giving soya to babies/ infants/ toddlers?

There is always the risk that a baby who is allergic to milk is also allergic to soya.

It can apparently have other side effects too.

It is apparently quite common to react to dairy after a sickness and diarrhoea episode but will pass.

Anyway, glad to hear that your lo is better, JO.B

Furthermore Soya products are NOT necessarily as healthy as we are led to believe.
Decide for yourself:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/foodmonthly/story/0,,1342291,00.html
http://www.organicconsumers.org/Organic/soyaisbad.cfm
http://www.greenlivingonline.com/HealthNutrition/dangers-of-soy/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/janeclarke.html%3Fin_page_id%3D1988%26in_article_i d%3D470498

Hi i just wondered if anyones child has had a bug complaining of belly ache all time fever and diarioha or however u spell it my daughters been complaining of it for 2 days now and shes asleep most of the time.
If your child has had it how long did it last ?

Thanks in advance for any info given