Found this story on railwayscene.co.uk, although cannot find a press release on the Network Rail website or any of the train operators websites!

Network Rail will start to ease one of Yorkshire's worst bottlenecks late in May, with the introduction of a double track section at Dore, Sheffield.

Currently the single line has up to eight trains an hour vying to use it, and with increased freight traffic to and from the Hope Valley, it is now becoming an increasing problem to operators First TransPennine Express and Central Trains, whose trains often suffer significant delay at this pinpoint.

Stuart Middleton, Network Rail Area Operations Manager for the Manchester area was delighted with the investment. "This will have a positive impact from Liverpool right through to Cleethorpes, the Dore single line has for too long been a problem for our express services and this will help significantly."

A second platform is to be commissioned at Dore for the westbound services, with the current platform for eastbound services.

Can't believe I missed that, I'm always on Railwayscene.

I can tell you that this has been in NR's boxes for some years now, and that it has been driving some mad for quite a while :)

I also hope they'll take time to give the station abck its name which is "Dore & Totley".

Maybe the PTE may now chip in some money and relook at putting stations at Heeley and Millhouses with a park and ride service

Originally posted by silverknight
Maybe the PTE may now chip in some money and relook at putting stations at Heeley and Millhouses with a park and ride service

If they were to do that, it would be a bigger project than that. To justify the investment, a more frequent local service would be required than the current Hope Valley line service which runs once every two hours.

That would mean leasing extra rolling stock and hiring extra staff, but then there is the question on where these extra trains go when they get to Dore. The Hope Valley line is at capacity due to the freight traffic. The trains could terminate at Dore, this would require upgrading the signalling to bi-directional and would swallow up capacity. Maybe a turnback siding could be built in the Totley Brook area?

Originally posted by silverknight
Maybe the PTE may now chip in some money and relook at putting stations at Heeley and Millhouses with a park and ride service

The PTE have no money.

Originally posted by Andy C
Network Rail will start to ease one of Yorkshire's worst bottlenecks late in May, with the introduction of a double track section at Dore, Sheffield
Will this just mean replacing the track which was lifted a few years ago?

Can anybody read this:
http://www.southyorks.org.uk/pta/8%20May%202003/PTA%20STRATEGIC%20TRANSPORT%208%20MAY%202003.pdf ?

I don't have acrobat on this machine

Originally posted by Strix
Can anybody read this:
http://www.southyorks.org.uk/pta/8%20May%202003/PTA%20STRATEGIC%20TRANSPORT%208%20MAY%202003.pdf ?

I don't have acrobat on this machine

Click the "View as HTML" hyperlink to view that PDF as a HTML document.

http://www.google.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.southyorks.org.uk%2Fpta% 2F8%2520May%25202003%2FPTA%2520STRATEGIC%2520TRANS PORT%25208%2520MAY%25202003.pdf&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

Isn't google wonderful?

I didn't want to read it. I thought you guys might.

Everytime I go 'view html' I get gobbledygook :confused:

At Last!!!!
Now all we need is a park & ride at the bottom of Twentywell Lane , 2 more platforms on the Chesterfield line to conect with some of the London trains and the tram exstended to the Railway station and we might have some form of transport system that works.
* please note that I have not added the name of First South Yorkshire Buses to this list as that company is in a world of its own.
Ie Money Money Money!!!!

lets hope they put on more local trains as the service at present is shocking :rant: and i aggree with you about mainline buses all they are botherd about is Money Money Money!!!! :thumbsup:

Originally posted by craigmason
lets hope they put on more local trains as the service at present is shocking :rant: and i aggree with you about mainline buses all they are botherd about is Money Money Money!!!! :thumbsup:

I think this has been said before? but I can not understand why there is a 1815pm service from Midland on a Saturday but none on a Mon-Fri what happens if you finish work @ 1730pm?
The answer is you have to wait for the 1915pm service!

currently dronfield only has trains stopping at 7.13/7.21/7.39/8.25/1.05/6.26 why there is NOT an hourly service between dronfield and sheffield i have no idea :confused: :confused: :confused:

Originally posted by exmrbd
I think this has been said before? but I can not understand why there is a 1815pm service from Midland on a Saturday but none on a Mon-Fri what happens if you finish work @ 1730pm?
The answer is you have to wait for the 1915pm service!

On a weekdays EWS freight have the 18:14 slot for one of their goods trains and won't give it up!

Originally posted by Andy C
On a weekdays EWS freight have the 18:14 slot for one of their goods trains and won't give it up!

Where does it come from?
I can think of 3 loops in the area to put it until the 1815 train would pass!

I have seen a picture of the old Dore & Totley station. It had 4 platforms, with 2 tracks on the Manchester line. Not sure about the park and ride at the bottom of Twentywell Lane. Where would you put it?

Plans for double line at dore have been around for a couple of years, I don't know why it's being peddled as fresh news.

I would be suprised if it happens by the end of May though.

the ONLY reason Dore station remains in operation is because of the so called 'money' people live in that area.

Sheffields tuppenny millionaries...the same ones who breeze thru the station asking for 'the cutler' in their clipped tones like the master cutler is the orient express.

The council would never allow Dore to be closed because of the politics involved.

These are the same people who DEMAND a better service but baulked at supertram NIMBY!!

the only reason why dore station is still open is that these money people from that area use the station coz its on the doorstep and most of these work over the pennines why go in car and get stuck in traffic at mottram crossroads or drive into sheffield when they can go down the road and catch the train on doorsept if they didnt do this then the train companys would then stop using dore and then it would get closed down like the rest of the stations up and down the country

semerpus, jimmy75... You ***** !
The reason the station is open is because people use it !

There are several stations in Sheffield suburbs including Dore & Totley, Darnall, Woodhouse, Meadowhall, Chapeltown.

Strange how idiots like you don't call Darnall people money people ? Or is it coz you don't have a clue and you open you mouthes before you think ?

The single track doubling isnt for the people of Dore, Totley or Bradway but is going to be done for the whole region as it is a bottleneck.

You guys distgust me, jealous cluless k**b e**s.

It would be wrong to tar all Dore and Totley folk with the same brush, ie tuppenny millionaires, but anyone who works in the Sheffield area of the rail network will know a small minority of people who use Dore can be very "demanding". (Anyone not connected directly with the day to day running of trains/stations in the area would not necessarily know this).

And I agree 100% regards Supertram - an extension out that way would be excellent to help try and reduce congestion, not just from Dore but in other bottlenecks such as Woodseats and Heeley. But out that way NIMBY does seem appropriate.

Apart from increased services on rail (which won't happen for Dore), the age old story of better public transport links in general rears it ugly head again!

Originally posted by semerpus
These are the same people who DEMAND a better service but baulked at supertram NIMBY!!

CRAP!!!!!

The people of S17 actually WANTED Supertram, and in fact suggested it should go beyone Dore up to Totley so more people got the benefit.

The only big objection people had was to the plan of building the tracks across the middle of Millhouses Park destroying the cricket pitch! A very minor route change would have overcome these objections.

The SYPTE turned this around and claimed everyone was against running the tram to Dore and dropped the scheme, which isn't surprising as SYPTE don't seem to do anything to benefit South West Sheffield. Ah well, more money for them to waste on pointless schemes in north Sheffield.

Originally posted by semerpus
the ONLY reason Dore station remains in operation is because of the so called 'money' people live in that area.

The council would never allow Dore to be closed because of the politics involved.


So explain why Darnall station, which is a much poorer area, gets double the number of services Dore gets, despite complete lack of passengers?

I say close Darnall and bung the few passengers onto the continuous convoy of number 52 buses, and use the money saved to improve the service from Dore, and let the station realise it's full potential.

Originally posted by Otto
It would be wrong to tar all Dore and Totley folk with the same brush, ie tuppenny millionaires, but anyone who works in the Sheffield area of the rail network will know a small minority of people who use Dore can be very "demanding". (Anyone not connected directly with the day to day running of trains/stations in the area would not necessarily know this).

I know exactly the individual you talk of.....

Captin Scarlett...........

I actually have more of a clue than you think and indeed I do think before opening my mouth

I am more than aware that the doubling of the line will benefit the whole region as Dore is a bottleneck

I am NEITHER jealous or clueless. I disgust you ?.

You disgust me by calling me a k**b e**d.

I dont have to resort to infant school insults to get my point across in any debate

Thats what the forum is about..discussing things.You may not agree with my opinions and vice versa...but hardly warrants your insult.

Andy C

Just querying your comments about Darnall getting more services than Dore.......Not true.

It has an hourly service.

Dore DOES actually get more services.

I too know the individual refered too earlier! :)

Its Dronfield that I feel sorry for a p**s poor service.Why the centrals don't call in both directions and give Dronfield at least an hourly service puzzles me

Originally posted by semerpus
Andy C

Just querying your comments about Darnall getting more services than Dore.......Not true.

It has an hourly service.

Dore DOES actually get more services.

Darnall gets a train every hour, with the odd extra train at rush hour. Dore gets a train once every 2 hours, again with the odd extra train at rush hour.

I would make that double the frequency.....

Incidentally I don't really believe Darnall station should be closed.... It should be promoted better.

Originally posted by semerpus
Its Dronfield that I feel sorry for a p**s poor service.Why the centrals don't call in both directions and give Dronfield at least an hourly service puzzles me

I think they don't stop there that often due to holding up other trains and a lack of passengers. As there is no alternative route to pass a stopped train (only two tracks) it can cause hold ups.

The Midland Mainline to London (17:27) often gets held up due to the Virgin Voyager which stops there a couple of minutes earlier being slightly delayed.

Stopping the Central Trains I would imagine would cause the same bottleneck. Oh, that and the fact that Central's are usually late anyway, so people have often got the bus instead by the time they arrive :)

Just goes to show what they say about rumours. Is it double line yet? Thought not. Still a bottleneck? Thought so..:mad:

I'm really suprised this has been resurected again, I work on the railway in Sheffield, we were told the plans had been shelved. The last reason given was if the second track was reinstated there would be a drop in the current speed limit due to realignment of the tracks. The result in dropping the speed negated any advantage over the reinstatement.

I just saw it as I was searching for something else. I too work on the railway and always knew this was on a hiding to nothing. Should never have taken it up in the first place.

Just goes to show what they say about rumours. Is it double line yet? Thought not. Still a bottleneck? Thought so..:mad:

Sigh.... you cynical types are so right this time.... government doesn't seem to like to support such investment now!

By the way, the reason this thread started was not because of rumour, the opening post was a quote from the Sheffield Star which based their story on a Network Rail press release I think.

Nice to see we are keeping our press releases up to date! I know all the signal sighting was done and vegetation clearance due to start last november we even had copies of the plans for the track layout.

Nice to see we are keeping our press releases up to date! I know all the signal sighting was done and vegetation clearance due to start last november we even had copies of the plans for the track layout.


When they started reballasting the single line it became obvious that they wouldn't be putting a new line in.
I remember the signal sighting happening on more than one occasion. What a complete waste of time!!

Leaving aside the way this informative thread turned in classic forum style into an amusing if petty argument, what happened to the plan to put in another line and platform at Dore station?

If you read #31 you will find your question was already answered

Ah well, more money for them to waste on pointless schemes in north Sheffield.


whats this then? in the north of sheffield

Maybe the PTE may now chip in some money and relook at putting stations at Heeley and Millhouses with a park and ride service

I understand that the resinstement of a station at Millhouses was one of the promised spin-offs from the development/re-development of Tesco/Sainsburys/Esporta. I remember being impressed at the time because I lived a stones throw from there and was commuting to work in Derby.

It turned out to be an empty promise and I've always felt cheated by it - it was on the basis of promised improvements to infrastructure that I decided not to object to the development plans.

I understand that the resinstement of a station at Millhouses was one of the promised spin-offs from the development/re-development of Tesco/Sainsburys/Esporta. I remember being impressed at the time because I lived a stones throw from there and was commuting to work in Derby.

It turned out to be an empty promise and I've always felt cheated by it - it was on the basis of promised improvements to infrastructure that I decided not to object to the development plans.

That I believe was to do with a supertram extension rather than a reinstatement of the quadrupled railway track and 3 other local stations along the sheaf valley. Tesco still has a massive barely used car park for the supertram park and ride scheme and some houses were compulsory purchased and demolished for a supertram stop on Rydal road. The supertram never came and the site is now a carpark for Abbey Glenn Laundry Vans.

It is a real pity that some kind of extra local transport hasn't materialised for this corridor, because the railway trackbed is enormously wide and since 1972 it has been massively underutilised with just a pair of lines and a couple of passing loops.
In 1900 more than 100 decent brand new houses were demolished to widen the railway along here, it seems a criminal waste of space as it stands nowadays. At places there is enough space for 5 parallel railway lines, on the former heeley station there is space for at least 6, among that forest, there must be an acre of unused land up there which is out of bounds to the public, despite the way the infrastructure completely blights heeley bottom.

CRAP!!!!!

The people of S17 actually WANTED Supertram, and in fact suggested it should go beyone Dore up to Totley so more people got the benefit.

The only big objection people had was to the plan of building the tracks across the middle of Millhouses Park destroying the cricket pitch! A very minor route change would have overcome these objections.

The SYPTE turned this around and claimed everyone was against running the tram to Dore and dropped the scheme, which isn't surprising as SYPTE don't seem to do anything to benefit South West Sheffield. Ah well, more money for them to waste on pointless schemes in north Sheffield.Are you mistaking Abbeydale with Dore? dore and Totley station is in Abbeydale, not Dore, beyond Dore is not Totley, it's the Peak, follow Hathersage Road.
Why run trams along a railway corridor? Run trams up Ecclesall and Hathersage roads.
If you put trams on Abbeydale Road, take them up to the Cross Sythes, not to the middle of nowhere at the station... "The next tram to Abbeydale Garden Centre will leave in..."
I'd be much more in tunes with reopening the closed stations of Sheaf Valley which would offer much better connections to the rest of South Yorkshire and elsewhere as well as offering fast travel (ten off minutes) to town.That I believe was to do with a supertram extension rather than a reinstatement of the quadrupled railway track and 3 other local stations along the sheaf valley. Tesco still has a massive barely used car park for the supertram park and ride scheme and some houses were compulsory purchased and demolished for a supertram stop on Rydal road. The supertram never came and the site is now a carpark for Abbey Glenn Laundry Vans.

It is a real pity that some kind of extra local transport hasn't materialised for this corridor, because the railway trackbed is enormously wide and since 1972 it has been massively underused with just a pair of lines and a couple of passing loops.
In 1900 more than 100 decent brand new houses were demolished to widen the railway along here, it seems a criminal waste of space as it stands nowadays. At places there is enough space for 5 parallel railway lines, on the former heeley station there is space for at least 6, among that forest, there must be an acre of unused land up there which is out of bounds to the public, despite the way the infrastructure completely blights heeley bottom.The trackbed between Tesco and Sainsbury's is very thin, they've built their fences right up to the track: two tracks wide :(.
Heeley had a couple of sidings and two island platforms so it accounts for the extraordinady width of the trackbed, it would surely be able to accomodate a bus shelter type station (which is all they build now).
the Sheffield district rail rationalisation plan of the 1960s included a lot of waste, much of which is regretted by Network Rail now (I know that when NR renewed the track near Totley Tunnel East SB they were astonished by the bottleneck that is Dore & Totley station). they'd first like to reinstate the two tracks at Dore junction. Don;t know about "thinking" about the requadrupling of the line... Reinstating the intermediate stations would wind a fair few through trains :P

Are you mistaking Abbeydale with Dore? dore and Totley station is in Abbeydale, not Dore, beyond Dore is not Totley, it's the Peak, follow Hathersage Road.

Depends which road you follow, Totley is just after Dore if you go along Baslow Road (A621)... http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=dore%2C+sheffield

Network Rail has today published the Yorkshire and Humber Route Utilisation Strategy which makes interesting reading especially with references to Dore and Totley junction, Sheffield Midland and Woodhead route amongst much more. No doubt much talk and little action will follow for a long time.

Sorry, forgot to post the link.
http://www.networkrail.co.uk/

Depends which road you follow, Totley is just after Dore if you go along Baslow Road (A621)... http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=dore%2C+sheffieldThat's the thing... Dore doesn't reach A621 Abbeydale Road (it changes its name to Baslow road as it enters Totley upon crossing the railway bridge).
It is a common mistake to believe that Dore spreads all the way down the valley to the main road. The station, garden centre, St John's, Busheywood Rd shops are not in Dore :)
Then again, this is being pedantic, what's really important is to sort out transport around here. Suburban trains or light rail tram? I prefer the idea of suburban railway as it does not invilve tearing the A621 up and uses the existing trackbed.

A FEW POINTS


The double track was removed around 10 - 15 years ago

I am not sure but I thought the plan to put it back has been "put on hold " so it may not happen

Having skimmed the RUS, there's very little for South Yorkshire.

It seems that as L**ds already has a better service than us, they get their improvements prioritised. The lower level of service to Manchester, with fewer trains, longer journey times and no motorway alternative/competition, may well have held us back in comparison. This view is reinforced by the increased patronage at York, which has a disproportionally good level of service.

Network Rail has today published the Yorkshire and Humber Route Utilisation Strategy which makes interesting reading especially with references to Dore and Totley junction, Sheffield Midland and Woodhead route amongst much more. No doubt much talk and little action will follow for a long time.

Took me a good hour to read it :o as a number of posts have said there seems to be a lot of planning but no doing :suspect:

All we ask up here is a better Sheffield - Manchester local service and 4 platforms at Dore for Chesterfield connections :thumbsup: