[B]2008 Photographic Competition
‘ Secret South Yorkshire ‘

Campaign to Protect Rural England (South Yorkshire Branch)[/B
]Is searching for outstanding, seasonal images that celebrate the beautiful countryside surrounding South Yorkshire’s industrial towns and cities.

From bluebell woods to rolling cornfields, flower rich meadows to open moorland, South Yorkshire’s countryside is the hidden gem that needs protecting for now and future generations. Help us celebrate these important rural landscapes.

Twelve finalists will be selected by our prestigious panel of professional photographers and each will be showcased for a month on our homepage at www.cpresouthyorks.org.uk.

The overall winner will also receive a professionally mounted canvas print of their picture presented at a special Awards Night Ceremony in September.

Download an entry form at
www.cpresouthyorks.org.uk/adeobepdf_files/compentryform2008.pdf.

Or Telephone 0114 2665822

Entry is free and open to amateur and professional photographers alike.

Campaign to Protect Rural England Peak District & South Yorkshire
Registered Charity No 1094975 Registered Company No 4496754

Oooh! Cheers for that, Albert!

Looks like a trip to Graves Park for me! :hihi:

If, like me, people are wondering where the rules are regarding digital entries etc, they're on the entry form!

Hmmm, so they want your entries - which can't be published anywhere else - and reserve the right to use any and all entries for their own publicity?

No thanks.

Hmmm, so they want your entries - which can't be published anywhere else - and reserve the right to use any and all entries for their own publicity?

No thanks.

Is that an unusual stipulation then?

Everyone can not always be satisfied.

But everyone will be pleased to know that. To give everyone else a chance, I've decided not to enter on this occasion!

mr chris: Please enter.

Will someone make the link below work please. I don't know how to do it. Thank you.



www.cpresouthyorks.org.uk/adobepdf_files/compentryforms2008.pdf

Here are links to the entry form itself (http://www.cpresouthyorks.org.uk/adobepdf_files/compentryform2008.pdf) and to the page that talks about the competition (http://www.cpresouthyorks.org.uk/supportus/photo_comp.htm).

Those terms are not all that unusual but they sure discourage professionals from entering don't they!

Here are links to the entry form itself (http://www.cpresouthyorks.org.uk/adobepdf_files/compentryform2008.pdf) and to the page that talks about the competition (http://www.cpresouthyorks.org.uk/supportus/photo_comp.htm).

Those terms are not all that unusual but they sure discourage professionals from entering don't they!

Thank you very much.
If you enter, I wish you all the very best of luck.
Don't PM me though. I don't know any of the judges!!

Is that an unusual stipulation then?

Unfortunately not.

I have a sneaky suspicion that these 'competions' are often little more than gathering publicity photos on the cheap.

Unfortunately not.

I have a sneaky suspicion that these 'competions' are often little more than gathering publicity photos on the cheap.

I would suggest to anyone who endorses similar suspicions as the above posting. Please do not enter the photographic competition.

Is that an unusual stipulation then?Sadly no, as it's a great way of ripping unsuspecting photographers off. First thing I do when ever I see any competition like this is check whether it's a thieve's charter.

I have a sneaky suspicion that these 'competions' are often little more than gathering publicity photos on the cheap.That's exactly what they are.

Different discipline (design), same problem.

Read this (http://freelanceswitch.com/designer/design-contests-devaluing-design-and-is-it-ever-ok/)

And the preceeding article, detailing a book cover design comp which was then scrapped. The bit you need to read is here (http://freelanceswitch.com/general/help-fsw-writer-jonathan-fields-create-the-cover-of-his-new-book/#comment-17959)

Albert, I'm not going to enter as I feel very strongly on the issue of devaluation and exploitation of creative professionals. It's hard enough to make a living anyway, and if the chance for exposure means I can't use that work for genuine income, then I'm afraid I cannot agree their terms.

It is a way of gathering publicity material on the cheap. Many photographers will happily grant non-exclusive rights if it benefits them, but to willingly give away some of your best work is, well, a bit thick.

Different discipline (design), same problem.

Read this (http://freelanceswitch.com/designer/design-contests-devaluing-design-and-is-it-ever-ok/)

And the preceeding article, detailing a book cover design comp which was then scrapped. The bit you need to read is here (http://freelanceswitch.com/general/help-fsw-writer-jonathan-fields-create-the-cover-of-his-new-book/#comment-17959)

Albert, I'm not going to enter as I feel very strongly on the issue of devaluation and exploitation of creative professionals. It's hard enough to make a living anyway, and if the chance for exposure means I can't use that work for genuine income, then I'm afraid I cannot agree their terms.

It is a way of gathering publicity material on the cheap. Many photographers will happily grant non-exclusive rights if it benefits them, but to willingly give away some of your best work is, well, a bit thick.


Having spent a lifetime freely giving and entirely voluntarily my assistance to all kinds of organisation's, my views are obviously different.

' If you give what you can afford, you will always be happy. But happiness can never be bought '.

If for a minute, I thought that this competition was aimed at exploiting anyone, I would not have touch it with a barge pole.

Anyway I sincerely hope that someone off the Sheffield Forum is either the contest winner or they get their photograph publiciced.


(Off the record: I followed the lead regarding the printer - Thank you.)

(Off the record: I followed the lead regarding the printer - Thank you.)

Fantastic!

Back on topic, though, and while I'm happy to contribute what I can to worthy organisations (although, invariably, I never offer my services at zero cost as I literally can't afford it), I resent submitting a piece of work in good will for a competition and not being able to use it for something else once the competition is finished.

Still, at least it's not that National Trust, but at least they're up front with their demands!

Fantastic!

Back on topic, though, and while I'm happy to contribute what I can to worthy organisations (although, invariably, I never offer my services at zero cost as I literally can't afford it), I resent submitting a piece of work in good will for a competition and not being able to use it for something else once the competition is finished.

Still, at least it's not that National Trust, but at least they're up front with their demands!

' Dip your feet in the water '. If you win, The national publicity would and could result in enormous benefit to you. A lot of people look at and read the C.P.R.E. Publications.

Different discipline (design), same problem.

Read this (http://freelanceswitch.com/designer/design-contests-devaluing-design-and-is-it-ever-ok/)

And the preceeding article, detailing a book cover design comp which was then scrapped. The bit you need to read is here (http://freelanceswitch.com/general/help-fsw-writer-jonathan-fields-create-the-cover-of-his-new-book/#comment-17959)

Albert, I'm not going to enter as I feel very strongly on the issue of devaluation and exploitation of creative professionals. It's hard enough to make a living anyway, and if the chance for exposure means I can't use that work for genuine income, then I'm afraid I cannot agree their terms.

It is a way of gathering publicity material on the cheap. Many photographers will happily grant non-exclusive rights if it benefits them, but to willingly give away some of your best work is, well, a bit thick.

I'm on the fence with this one as an amateur (I do use a camera and other creative media at work and that's different altogether - work own my ass then - and they also own anything I produce whilst at work)

As a strict amateur (at the most casually looking at the world of microstock for pin-money and simple satisfaction of seeing my work being used) I take photos for my own pleasure and for fun. And what more fun than maybe winning a competition? If I were semi-pro there could also be benefits - at the risk of signing rights to a piece away of course.

This discussion is valuable as it highlights concerns and no-one should go into anything with their eyes closed. But think about most competitions - they always have a benefit to the organiser be it data gathering or whatever. Nothing is ever simply "given away" without there being some cost.

(off-topic- They ought to run a competition to design a header and a website that doesn't just pass W3C validation albeit HTML 4.01 but actually displays correctly)

As a strict amateur (at the most casually looking at the world of microstock for pin-money and simple satisfaction of seeing my work being used)So you don't mind being exploited then? As that's basically what this is. Companies rely on people bragging about being published and so don't bother paying sensible amounts for the work anymore as there's always another sucker, willing to give their images away - for bragging rights.

So you don't mind being exploited then? As that's basically what this is. Companies rely on people bragging about being published and so don't bother paying sensible amounts for the work anymore as there's always another sucker, willing to give their images away - for bragging rights.

You are referring to a photo competition run by a charity.
No one is intending to exploit anyone.
The competition is simply to ask anyone to join in and submit a photograph of the area in which we live for others to admire as time goes bye.

If you do not wish to join or do not wish to do anything without receiving any form of financial reward - Please do not join.

You are referring to a photo competition run by a charity.
No one is intending to exploit anyone.
The competition is simply to ask anyone to join in and submit a photograph of the area in which we live for others to admire as time goes bye.

If you do not wish to join or do not wish to do anything without receiving any form of financial reward - Please do not join.

I think, really, is that it's the nature of these competitions that's jarring with us all, and not the competition itself. Perhaps it's time to prune this thread or move the debate to its own thread.

Sorry Albert, I know you were only intending to inform us of something we might be interested in! It's a shame that these competitions aren't as transparet as they should be.

I think, really, is that it's the nature of these competitions that's jarring with us all, and not the competition itself. Perhaps it's time to prune this thread or move the debate to its own thread.

Sorry Albert, I know you were only intending to inform us of something we might be interested in! It's a shame that these competitions aren't as transparet as they should be.

It looks like a bit of work needs doing to satisfy other photographers. That will be done.

I'll agree with the prune bit.

I'd be grateful if someone could clarify this for me (I'm sorry for perpetuating this topic):

If I entered a photo in the competition, does that therefore mean I wouldn't be allowed to post that photo on my WebShots page, or use it as an avatar, or print and frame it as a gift to a relative for Christmas or anything?

I'd be grateful if someone could clarify this for me (I'm sorry for perpetuating this topic):

If I entered a photo in the competition, does that therefore mean I wouldn't be allowed to post that photo on my WebShots page, or use it as an avatar, or print and frame it as a gift to a relative for Christmas or anything?

No, you still own the picture, but you can't use it for commercial purposes (make any money from it), or enter it into any other competitions, as you've granted exclusive reproduction rights to the charity by entering their competition.

It's a tricky area, to be honest. Sucks.

So you don't mind being exploited then? As that's basically what this is. Companies rely on people bragging about being published and so don't bother paying sensible amounts for the work anymore as there's always another sucker, willing to give their images away - for bragging rights.

I'm not being exploited if I enter knowing the terms and conditions. My entry would imply acceptance of those terms.


That is why I mentioned the importance of this discussion, to make people aware of the implications of entry.

They can than be grown up and make their minds up all by themselves.